No.383
Can we discuss propaganda in movies?
To me the most effective propaganda is not shown blatantly, it lays hidden in the open whitin the ideology behind the film.
(Love this board btw).
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No.384
I'll start with "Interstellar"(2014). In this sci fi movie we have the "hero"[spoiler]some guy who's stuck being a farmer in post apacalyptic USA. He's disappointed of life because even tough he's a pretty great astronaut, he's condemned to a trivial existence in a farm. He's also a rebel, and some sort of light headed truth seeker. He ends up discovering a undercover government organization (post apocaliyptic NASA) that gives him a chance to be an astronaut again, and a bigger cause (saving mankind) but in order to do this he must do a huge sacrifice (leave his son and daugher for a couple of decades).
NASA in this movie has a very vertical kind of hierarchy. You can tell there's only one real leader - this is somewhat simplistic to provide a more clear narration.
I think this man, a genius physicist and highly powerful political/spiritual leader represents the way of the elites.
The "hero" represents the frustrated average man, stuck in an unfulfilling reality.
His son and daughter represent his own legacy, his own ideals, his spiritual roots on earth.
He sacrifices all that is trully his for the ideals of the NASA leader (aka the elite) and a promise of a greater good (his rol in essence is almost identical to that of the solider, it only requires more sophistication, but he's seen and treated like a tool in a bigger scheme)(also they are both supposed to be fighting for "society", "good" and "justice").
Somewhere along the line, he realizes he's been tricked by the NASA leader. He was never meant to go back to his family.
This is the "ends justify the means" mentality, so typical of the elites and USA's forgein policy.
You could say it is as if the USA's goverment were telling it's solider "we've staged 9-11 and made up an artificial enemy for you to fight but it was all for a greater cause", consequentialism in action.
In spite of the huge sacrifice, it all ends "well", he got just in time to see his daugher die, strangely he doesn't seem to give too many Blimps about that, mankind was somehow saved.
So in conclusion the main message hidden in plain sight would be: blindly trusting the secret elite wasn't that bad after all. Sure, their methods are morally dubious to say the least but it all ends when we trust them and give our minds and bodies to them for a greater cause. We are human resurces who come and go, might as well relinquish ourselves to them.
Since people think these movies are nothing but cool stories to entretain themselves along with some popcorn, they will not realize the ideological position of the writers and the hidden message will be imprinted in their subconscious minds. My theory is that placing this ideas helps making people more docile and comfortable with certain actions elites take. The "saviour" position which USA occupies angain and again in these stories also acts as a much needed "bath" to clean up it's image, disguising crimes as "necessary measures", glorifying war/politicians/military/etc and appealing to nationalist sentimentality.
What I'm not sure but I suspect is that this might be an undercovered way to start to come clean about some issues, at least on a subconscious level. Maybe this is is a way to move towards to some future revelations?[/spoiler]
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No.385
>>384I love how the cliche of "earth becomes uninhabitable from environmental destruction to the point that humans have to leave it" became so prevalent in science fiction over the last decade that it isn't even brought up in discussions about the propagandic aspects of the movies that use it anymore.
I could have posted a dozen more examples but these are probably the biggest and most important ones.
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No.387
>>384>What I'm not sure but I suspect is that this might be an undercovered way to start to come clean about some issues, at least on a subconscious level.perhaps movies could be used to apply some sort of mental set in mass.
Here is one example from the book
Cognitive Psychology - Robert J. Sternberg:
>Imagine that you are a doctor treating a patient with a malignant stomach tumor.You cannot operate on the patient because of the severity of the cancer. But unless you destroy the tumor somehow, the patient will die. You could use high-intensity X-rays to destroy the tumor. Unfortunately, the intensity of X-rays needed to destroy the tumor also will destroy healthy tissue through which the rays must pass. X-rays of lesser intensity will spare the healthy tissue, but they will be insufficiently powerful to destroy the tumor. Your problem is to figure out a procedure that will destroy the tumor without also destroying the healthy tissue surrounding the tumor.now lets pretend you watch a movie with such plot:
>A general wishes to capture a fortress located in the center of a country. There are many roads radiating outward from the fortress. All have been mined. Although small groups of men can pass over the roads safely, any large force will detonate the mines. A full-scale direct attack is therefore impossible. What should the general do?the results:
The question is whether producing a group-convergence solution to the military problem helped participants in solving the radiation problem. Consider participants who received the military problem with the convergence solution and then were given a hint to apply it in some way to the radiation problem. About 75% of the participants reached the correct solution to the radiation problem. This figure compared with less than 10% of the participants who did not receive the military story first but instead received no prior story or only an irrelevant one.
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No.440
>>385OP here.
>"earth becomes uninhabitable from environmental destruction to the point that humans have to leave it"That is another dangerous idea that is being pushed softly. People in general have become used to technology improving exponentially and the more "guillible" might consider this as a possibility. Seems like they would like to have us believe blindly in science coming up with an answer that will enable us to keep living like this in a world with limited resources.
>>387Are you saying this could set a precedent for people to understand some other message in the future?
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No.441
Besides dystopian scifi, I'm expecting more Superheroe movies in the future.
The revivial of super heroes reminds me of the golden age of comics, of course now is all more subtle, but in essence it serves the same purpose.
Maybe more ridiculous war glorification like in the forgettable "Alice in Wonderland".
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No.583
>>385Oblivion wasn't environmental destruction, (although if i remember that was the story the two humans were fed) in reality it was the fact that aliens had conquered the planet and were simply eating up the water
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No.584
>>387>>A general wishes to capture a fortress located in the center of a country. There are many roads radiating outward from the fortress. All have been mined. Although small groups of men can pass over the roads safely, any large force will detonate the mines. A full-scale direct attack is therefore impossible. What should the general do?the smart ones would of said do nothing as you have already won
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No.587
Lucy (2014) - funnily enough, created by LUC Besson. Luc, Lucy, lux - light. The plot retells this old story about the light bearer's struggles against the material plane. Main character (the elite) is blessed with gnosis that, when the time comes, will unlock the full potential of the chosen ones and allow them to mould the universe at will. The asians (clever choice btw) represent the 'dark ocean of thoughtlesness' (meaning us) incapable of comprehending the great plan. Of course, it all ends with the creation of the monolith that will allow for the mind-infection to spread (see 2001: Space Odyssey). And yeah, plenty of basic propaganda too: end justifies the means, shedding your humanity to make way for something greater is noble, pills will transform your soul and perfect your mind, psychopathic feminist collective devoid of any femininity is wisdom incarnate, progress is inevitable and, most importantly, sacred. Machines and cold, mechanical minds are sacred.
The Fifth Element (1997) - Luc Besson again. For people familiar with the meaning of the pentagram, the title itself will speak volumes. Basically, another gnostic tale about the hero's journey and alchemical marriage: the perfect feminine (water and earth, or feelings and body) and perfect masculine (fire and wind, or will and mind) meld together and create the key (fifth element, or an anomalous substance, philosopher's stone etc.) to universe's mainframe. All this to stop that vicious, unenlightened dark mass that aim to destroy the enterprise. And all this to stop death itself, supposedly. As for the basic stuff, the predictive programming is there by the tons. Police state, monitoring, poor standards of living, one world government with a black president and so on. And again, technology and psychopathy good, therefore basic humanity bad.
More to come, if someone's interested.
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No.589
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No.2471
STAR WARS SERIES
One has to notice that star wars is a republican democratic propaganda product. Anti-monarchy propaganda product. The cat's out of the bag in second series of star wars (by production chronology). We learn about essential facts and circumstances which help us to understand real distribution of power and who plays what part.
First of all, we find out what's the initial cause of great inter-galactic war. War begun because inter-galactic senate raised taxes which haven't made trade guild too happy. And it started secet production of clones, drones, robots which were to serve the purpose of seizing power in the galaxy. It's very important discovery. Cause of war was excessive state control and fiscalism in politics of democratic authorities.
It's pretty typical, theres no villainy, wicked deeds that democratic authorities won't resort to in need of money.
Senat imposes taxes, rebellion breaks out, war. Of course i'm on the side of trade guild which protested against extreme galactic fiscalism.
Main heroine (called princess in the beginning) in second part chronologically is already called Mrs Senator. Who's next to her in galactic senate? Among others that biggest idiot from the first movie, jar-jar. Here it's subconsciousness manifesting, truth comes to light (although it's republican propaganda work).
That's the truth of democracies that senators and members of parliament are biggest idiots, those who guarantee their real patrons that they won't understand anything and will do anything that's expected from them.
Who is patron, the power behind the throne, who has the real power in galaxy.
It turns out that behind facade of democracy, behind senate, there's a circle of people leaded by rather short elderly gentleman and it's where real decisions are made. It's where politics is done. Senat only debates. Real decisions are made by Jedi Knights, KGB. Intergalactic KGB. With that short Yoda at the lead of it.
Even in that limited circle there's despotic rule. Yoda obviously can consult with the circle but in reality he arrives at the decisions himself. We're dealing here with KGB with the whole romantic legend added for coverup.
That it is in fact inter-galactic KGB there are lots of proofs. You remember the scene, whole sequence, young obi-wan with young skywalker enter some establishment. And there obi-wan does brain-washing of one of the clients, casually. He recommends him going home and thinking about his whole life. Brain washing, backstage decisions and pulling strings behind the facade of democracy. That's the world in star wars, that's the republic depicted in star wars.
If Jedi Knights are KGB then who's skywalker senior, later Lord Vader. He's a rebel. The only noble individual, only person who revolts against that system. Only man who's on the side of normal people and declares war on KGB. And because of that he has to be smeared by his adversaries. Authority hates people who break ranks, break conspiracy of silence and don't hold common front of traitors.
Narration shows us republican propaganda.
This propaganda work in fact tells us very much about real arrangement of power in world of demoracy. Back to first series by production chronology. What model is realized by skywalker junior story. It's story of pawlik morozow. Legend of soviet propaganda, he becames hero of soviet propaganda because he informs authorities on his own father, in kolkhoz, that he didn't hand over all the grain collected on field. Luke skywalker is pawlik morozow who after brain washing done by KGB he raises his hand to strike his own father.
That are the models and heroes in star wars.
One more thing. Who the power surround themselves with? (KGB authorities) Whose help they use? Criminals, smugglers. It's typical for every bolshevik revolution and for each democratic-revolutionary power. They have to appeal to underclass to crush the opposition - honest and normal people. That's the subconsciousness of star wars universe. It is it's hidden sense.
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No.2472
>>2471
Thank you very much for that post, it was very interesting and it put the Star Wars series under a new light for me.
Thank you also for mentioning the case of Pawlik Morozow, I had not heard of it and it draws interesting parallels between Orwell's 1984 and reality.
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No.2494
Anything about the Book of Eli movie? Kinda curious about it, you guys saw something occult on it or it is straight in it message? Thanks.
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No.2511
>>2471
Lucas was very open about the prequels having an antibush message to them, he said it many times.
>And it started secet production of clones
Did you even watch the movies? it was the republic that build a clone army which set the stage for the rise of the empire since the military could take over the senate and overrun the jedi temple.
>i'm on the side of trade guild which protested against extreme galactic fiscalism
Again the trade got tricked by palpatine into thinking they could take over naboo by imposing a trade blockade and bribing other planet's representatives in the senate to delay any actions and so naboo would surrender.
>Real decisions are made by Jedi Knights
Dude seriously? the jedi are more like UN peacekeepers, which means totally useless without the clone army and they get rekt in the end
>If Jedi Knights are KGB then who's skywalker senior, later Lord Vader. He's a rebel
He was a jedi until palpatine essentially cornered him into joining the dark side or losing his wife, again did you see the movie? the point was that since he was so powerful he could see parts of the future he thought he was going to lose padme but at the end the future he was seeing where she died was the result of helping palpatine.
>Luke skywalker is pawlik morozow who after brain washing done by KGB he raises his hand to strike his own father
Except he didn't know vader was his father until after he got his uncle and aunt killed and then cut his hand off, and even then luke tried to save him until the very end
>>2494
That movie was crap to compete against The Road which was released at the same time. Of course it was a joke, product placement in a post-apocalyptic movie? for shame...
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No.2602
Personally, I've began noticing a lot of very real ideas being connected with fictional narratives, to promote perhaps an intended purpose/agenda.
In Black ops 2, you use a cyborg power called 'Cybernetics' - a lesser known science, that is now linked with fiction and fantasy.
In a recent series I watched, - The Expanse, set in a far future where the solar system has been colonized. The earth is run by a world order of the UN. - Thus, progress and an inevitable cool future now linked with UN control of world.
New star wars film
I notice how the army, of the republic is:
1) Directly seen as the epitome of good.
2) Very racially diverse.
3) Full of women, despite their impracticality on a battlefield.
4) The underdogs, who come out on top. Very inspiring.
The Empire however,
1) Is the epitome of unconditional evil, without reason.
2) directly compared to Nazism(a go-to evil association) in multiple scenes.
3) uniform and united.
The empire is rebelled against by a 'loveable' main character who is himself an underdog, of the good side. This underdog is black, and wins the tall young white woman. Throughout the movie, he makes lots of nonsensical mistakes which make us happy to see him - associate him with laughter and smiles - and this makes him come off very relatable.
These are the associations that the masses will grow to have, having been exposed to this media.
Whether this is propaganda or simply, mainstream influence, is up to you.
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No.2655
>>2602
What exactly am I supposed to see in that red circle?
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No.2662
Zombie horde movies are, to my eyes, blatant propaganda of how the rich see the poor. Dawn of the dead had the consumer society as a theme, making the modern life seem like living death. Since then there's been a constant run of zombie films like city of the dead and Day Z, about cities being overrun by hordes of zombies (the media's refugees?) and authorities struggling to maintain order and a constant state of emergency.
I wonder if these are predictive programming.
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No.2663
>>583
It's not just movies. It's been a theme in games too, like this one which has a heap of illuminati symbolism.
Kind of freaky to think they could write in an alien invasion as a historical event in a post-polluted, majorly depopulated world, with the survivors buying into it like the moon landing or the accepted (false) narrative of past wars. The media throws out these end-of-the-world scenarios willy-nilly, and the aim is probably fear, though they apparently do like to imagine these depopulation scenarios.
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No.2664
>>384
The extent of cultural programming is gut-wrenchingly sad and all of the media is to blame.
What's being done to human happiness is a diabolic crime. So much media that serves to encourage the break-up of families and engender suspicion between people, especially men and women, with the effects of rising divorce rates and increased loneliness, and there's the thought police being instilled in education and social life through PC laws, leading to the creation of rigid, uptight people who can never relax and have no idea what's going on, almost afraid to exist. It's terrifying.
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No.2665
>>384
The extent of cultural programming is gut-wrenchingly sad and media is the culprit.
What they're doing to human happiness is a diabolic crime. So much media that serves to encourage the break-up of families and engender suspicion between people, especially men and women, with the effects of rising divorce rates and increased loneliness, and the thought police being instilled in education and social life through PC laws; coming as people's sense of community is being undermined by influxes turned into media-induced panic attacks of foreigners real and imagined, leading to the creation of lonely, rigid, uptight people who cannot relax and have no idea what's going on, and almost afraid to exist. It's terrifying.
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No.2686
>>2665
Everyone who realizes this has a duty to describe it to others so that they can understand it.
Unfortunately mere words don't hold anyone's attention. Even in the case of people with whom you have a deep relationship. The only way to break through to the common man is through stimulation and conditioning. They have lost their humanity; their ability to reason. But maybe they can be brought back.
If not, then the only thing to do is to persuade those ones closer to the tyrants, or the tyrants themselves. But how can these well-rewarded slaves be persuaded? How can the tyrants be persuaded to risk their empire in a changing of ways?
Do you agree with my statements?
What is your art?
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No.2687
>>587
>And again, technology and psychopathy good
Where did it suggest that?
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No.2726
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>>2662
There were those law enforcement exercises held in the US with the authorities gunning down "zombies". Not a huge leap from zombies to "infected".
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No.2909
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No.2947
>>383
Here's a low effort one, not going to analyse it because the message is so clear, and who it's from. There's going to be at least one young girl in the theatre who burns this rule into her mind as normal after viewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArpRKXml5Iw
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No.2980
>>2947
There's a comedy called 'the sexbot' or something which came out recently, and one of the scenes is a group of jews insinuating that 6 inches is a small penis size.
I'm not sure if they're trying to cause anxiety in whites or if, otoh the black size thing is a myth and invention, to give normal blacks and whites genital anxiety.
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No.2983
>>2980
It's softcore MKUltra, everything on television is deliberate programming.
One of the reasons they talk about penis size is to push the 'Phallus Dialectic' on the unsuspecting masses.
Either you have a big dick and are masculine, or you're an effeminate faggot, regardless of whether you boast that your dick's big out of an insecurity or not.
It's programming to breed chads and effeminate faggots, people generally think that this dialectic is representative of femininity and masculinity, but it's not really true.
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No.2985
>people generally think that this dialectic is representative of femininity and masculinity, but it's not really true.
so it's about the accepted ideal of manliness and one's self-consciousness at falling short of it?
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No.2986
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Have you guys seen Virtuosity?
An AI who is a composite of evey serial killer (including Adolf Hitler) breaks out into a robot body and begins killing people. Only Denzel Washington can stop him.
One scene lists the AI's personalities and lingers on Saddam Hussein. I suppose the South Park movie tried to do the same thing.
Near the end the AI hijacks a tv station where this native american is speaking about how America must open its borders to 3rd world refugees or face cultural extinction. Then he gets a bullet between the eyes, which was probably traumatising to audiences then.
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No.2987
>>2985
Pretty much.
Also, the popular comedy genre is just sheer mental lobotomy, theres no reason to watch it unless you want to be MK'd like the rest of the goyim.
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No.2989
>>2986
How do they figure Adolf Hitler was a serial killer? I thought at first that it was poor wording on your part but they say it in the trailer while a swastika is shown in the background. Even if the mainstream narrative of the holocaust is true, Adolf Hitler is still by definition not a serial killer.
Anyway, good find. I wonder if this movie was made as a response to the skinhead WN movement going on at the time.
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No.2991
>>2987
Normally I don't watch any of it, but I got Kodi set up (which has almost all the movies and tv shows ever), that movie came up and I flicked through thinking it might be something they're trying to prepare people for. All the new media is garbage, yes, and full of decadent propaganda.
>>2989
I remember seeing it as a kid and it scared me then, but watching it now I find Crowe's character pretty funny, guess I've just become twisted.
One in a similar vein is 'Strange Days'.
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No.2993
speaking of propaganda, has anyone noticed the auto suggestions for 'all men' on google?
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No.2999
>>2993
>Game of Throne
C'mon lad
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No.3073
>>383
>which movies are propaganda and why
If that's what this thread is about then this thread is bogus. Everything made by Hollywood is propaganda, a better question is which Hollywood movies aren't propaganda.
Hollywood propaganda is closely tied to US politics, hence why most movies are all about stronk women, minorites and the bad guys are always white males or Russians.
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No.3083
>>3073
there aren't any Hollywood movies that aren't propaganda since at least WWII. let's take a look at what's playing in my local theatre. not going to bother commenting much because it all seems very obvious
>The Magnificent Seven
Right off the bat, the poster's tagline is "Justice has a number." In front position is the black lead character, two of the others are asian (in a wild west cowboy movie)
In the trailer, black Sheriff rides into a town - a beautiful woman tells him that a group of evil white men are driving them out of their homes and killing them. She says "I seek righteousness, but I'll take revenge." A (black) man of the law rides in and helps the oppressed people. "Against all odds seven will fight as one." Article on the IMDB sidebar in which the director explains why the film had no racial slurs. There's also a quote in the trailer in which one of character sounds like he is saying "You need to hate what you're firing at" though that could easily also be "hit." Also there's a sort of 'conscription' sequence of the other men being brought on to fight for the poor town people, could read as prop. for the 'liberation' of foreign people or minority groups here.
>Storks
The tagline is "Find your flock."
>Storks deliver babies... or at least they used to. Now they deliver packages for global internet giant Cornerstore.com. Junior, the company's top delivery stork, is about to be promoted when he accidentally activates the Baby Making Machine, producing an adorable and wholly unauthorized baby girl. Desperate to deliver this bundle of trouble before the boss gets wise, Junior and his friend Tulip, the only human on Stork Mountain, race to make their first-ever baby drop - in a wild and revealing journey that could make more than one family whole and restore the storks' true mission in the world.
>Snowden
A film that presumably gives us a dramatized version of Edward Snowden's life and how/why he leaked NSA info, portraying him as a hero. Can't comment too much since I don't know exactly how they show him, but in any case this is what we might call a "weapon of mass distraction." The "Citizenfour" documentary was, I believe, in the same vain - it's all about what a hero this Snowden guy is, with just a general "the government is watching everything you do" in the background. This draws attention away from the reality of what is actually happening, whatever that may be, and replaces it with just "you're being monitored and there isn't anything you can do," but also with some good feelings because this Snowden guy is such a hero for letting the truth be known and getting a major hollywood film made about it soon after (lol). The primary suggestions being that: the all seeing eye is watching you and: don't worry, there are heroes who will stop it.
>Sully
This seems a bit more subtle - nothing glaring. The story is about a pilot crash landing a passenger jet after the engines failed, saving everybody, and an investigation into whether or not he made the right choices. To me, this seems like it is instilling trust in the "pilot" and also suggesting that the "pilot" can and will be accountable for his actions. Also that if the "pilot" does, in fact, do something wrong that can be proven, it was in the interest of the well-being of the "passengers." Words in quotes are metaphoric stand in words
I haven't seen any of these and am just going off synopsis/posters/trailers, but I doubt I'm that far off the mark.
It's also worth noting that any piece of film or television serves one greater purpose which is to keep the viewers inside a fictional world rather than the actual world, which is probably the most important function of the mass media, regardless of any messages being blatantly or subtly included
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No.3090
>>3083
Can you elaborate on Storks? To me, the agenda behind it is the least obvious out of the four you mentioned.
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No.3244
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No.3294
>>3244
I remember Selma came out at the same time as that movie. Simultaneous propaganda for both sides of the political spectrum.
>>3083
>>3090
I saw the trailer for a movie called "Boss Baby" today and it reminded me of your post about Storks. It was so terrible I couldn't even watch it all the way through. From what I saw the scenario is that a majority of adults now think puppies are cuter than babies. The obvious implication of this is that the declining (white, western) birthrates are due to the parenting instinct being artificially fulfilled by pets.
https://archive.fo/jOmVE
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No.3338
>>3294
just a list of now playing for your consideration, I might give my take later
A Dog's Purpose
>A reincarnated canine keeps reuniting with its original owner over the course of five decades.
Gold
>An American businessman named Kenny Wells, who has driven his family's mining company into the ground, tries to reverse his fortunes by prospecting for gold in the jungles of Indonesia. With the help of an experienced geologist, Wells actually manages to unearth a massive gold deposit, but he is soon forced to protect his find from ruthless Wall Street traders.
Moana Sing-Along
>The epic journey continues for “Moana” fans as Walt Disney Animation Studios introduces an all-new sing-along version of the hit, critically-lauded comedy-adventure “Moana.”
Resident Evil: The Final Chapter
>The human race's last hope against apocalyptic obliteration is supersoldier Alice, but she's been stripped of her psychic powers. Alice is soon forced to form alliances and rally survivors in Raccoon City for the climactic battle against the Umbrella Corporation and its ravenous hordes of the undead.
Raees
>Raees Synopsis
Set in early 1980’s to 1990’s Gujarat, India, the film explores how Raees' relationships and meteoric rise helped him build an entire empire from scratch, to make him the single most powerful man in the state.
Split
>Kevin, a man with at least 23 different personalities, is compelled to abduct three teenage girls. As they are held captive, a final personality - "The Beast" - begins to materialize.
The Founder
>This biopic of businessman Ray Kroc chronicles his work transforming McDonald's from a small burger chain in 1950s California to a global franchise. Along the way, he wrests control of the company from its actual founders, the McDonald brothers, who believe that Kroc's business decisions are stripping the restaurant of its heart and soul.
XXX: The Return of Xander Cage
>Daredevil operative Xander Cage battles four criminals who control the world's military satellites.
Monster Trucks
>A high schooler named Tripp befriends an otherworldly creature, which is able to crawl inside his pickup truck and act as a supercharged engine. Soon enough, Tripp and the monster work together to stop an oil company from wreaking havoc on their town.
Hidden Figures
>The incredible untold story of Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan and Mary Jackson -brilliant African-American women working at NASA, who served as the brains behind one of the greatest operations in history.
Sing
>Set in a world like ours but entirely inhabited by animals, Sing stars Buster Moon, a dapper Koala who presides over a once-grand theater that has fallen on hard times.
Star Wars
>This prequel to the very first Star Wars tells the thrilling story of how a ragtag band of freedom fighters -- including a former soldier-turned-prisoner, a Rebel Alliance insider, an intensely spiritual believer in the Force, and a sentient robot -- worked together to steal the Death Star's secret blueprints.
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No.3647
Wonder Woman, the character, was created by a psychologist named William Moulton Marston.
Superheros have always been utilized for war propaganda, patriotism, and too I can't think of an example where a superhero is rebelling against their own established government. Often, they're seen as working with their government.
But Wonder Woman, the movie, not only rewrites the history of WW1, it assists in its fictionalization establishing it as an unreality. As if WW1 wasn't vague enough in the public sphere.
Ultimately, having an invincible woman bulldozing men in trenches is titillating the feminist narrative. It piggy-backs the maternal instinct of protection, fighting against the Germans for the Allied Powers, represented by a diverse ensemble, some who act like children. Those in the audience who are to identify with Woman Woman are provided imagery for the unconscious to justify the ideology.
The closing scene where she kills her foe, the patriarchal male as a black-knight, her last words to him are "I believe in love." which is the foundation of self-perceived virtue, the essence of propaganda. I should mention, of course, her weapon is the "Lasso of Truth".
Also, there's an emphasis chemical weapons in the movie, relevant politically.
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No.3755
>>3647
Hilarious that a female character would have a primary weapon with "Truth" in its name, while real flesh and blood women lie incessantly.
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No.3786
>>3755
Not in my experience...
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No.3809
I had downloaded some films recently, because I used to watch a lot of movies. The movies I'll comment on are The Shape of Water (2017) and Taxi Driver (1976) (for old times sake, I'd seen it before).
Taxi Driver is a great story, except for the fact that there's a lot of 'nam veteran crap in movies from those times. I guess that's just something that was in the heads of people at best or at worst some way to relate to audience. Also Robert de Niro is "shaped" by it, but I couldn't spot any real manipulating "assumptions" like they do nowadays. No subtle rewritings of history that I could find. Good movie.
Next up: The Shape of Water.
spoiler alert. I'm kidding, there's nothing to "spoil" about this piece of shit.
Setting is somewhere mid or second half of 20th century (because of those "soviet assholes" who play one of the enemies, a subject I'll touch later on), no internet, etc. The lead is some "latina" who can't talk. She can hear though. At first there's a scene of her masturbating every morning in the bathtub, which triggers my feminism radar. Why is it necessary to show that she does it every morning? (the movie shows the loop she lives in, which supports the narrative.) To show that she's lonely? I think the fact that she can't talk, only communicates with her neighbor and 1 black colleague (which I will talk about in a sec) and the fact that she lives alone are all clear signs of her being lonely. So why else would the movie display such "graphic" content. I think to make it look like it was already something that's normal and something not to be frowned upon in that day and age. That women should not feel ashamed to fuck themselves every day. She goes to work with some stereotypical has-her-hart-in-the-right-place-but-still-funny black woman. She supports her mute colleague and they clean together every day. Which presupposes blacks and "latinos" (in quotes because she's more like spanish than south-american) where hanging out together all the time in that time period. Which makes it reasonable to assume it's supposed to be that way (as a viewer), and you should not discriminate. Her neighbor is a gay pot smoking semi-old man who tries to be gay in a time where it wasn't that easy. His life isn't easy as he's in between jobs and gets fucked over by the people he wants to work for, but the mute bitch doesn't mind. AKA we all have our defects, but that doesn't mean you should discriminate against gays for being "the way they are". So another example, imo, to not discriminate. Next up is the corporate man who brings in his new toy the US government wants to fuck around with. This corporate asshole is full blown everything you should not be, aka the enemy in the movie. They put scenes in where his traditionalist, sadist, sexist and all the other kinds of -ist. Everything the current propaganda system is successfully forcing people to be discriminating against. To make this movie even better there's a Russian spy who is not really with the patriot propaganda of the Russians (more on that later). The new toy turns out to be a human-like fish who falls in love with the mute. Now to wrap up the movie, a matter of time is put in place, where the US found out that there's a Soviet spy, but don't know who. So they decide to kill the human-fish creature, which is something the mute overhears. And since they are in love, she wants to help the fish escape. In the escape, the black, the spy, the faggot and the mute all work together. All of which, except for the gay and mute, are spontanious decisions by the characters who get "put on the spot" in some way. This signals for me that we all should be independent of discrimination and willing to sacrifice our lives to help some noble goal (nice propaganda, imo). Ofcourse the escape is successful and the mute fucks the fish-man. Which, in my propaganda brain, means that love knows no borders. The fish-man and the bitch live happily ever after, the Russian gets killed (since he was a traitor after all, so no reason to feel bad) and the -ist corporate asshole gets a painful death, because that's what you get for being a right-oriented white male. Oh, fish-man turns out to be a god and can't die. So trying to save fish-man's life was very unnecessary.
Some other recent films I've seen are Searching (2018) and The Incredibles 2 (2018) in which there are similar trends about accepting people for who they are and other legtist shit you get shoved down your throat. Extremely so for The Incredibles 2, where it's the main theme of the movie (accepting "supers" back into society and letting them be who they are).
As a personal note, I'd like to add that the amount of propaganda in recent movies makes me lose interest in films. It's not art anymore, its a 90 minute commercial.
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No.3837
>>3786
You must not hang around a lot of women.
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No.3867
>>2471
>>2472
>>2602
Star Wars is basically the crack cocaine of modern fiction. It is made up of a formula that makes it irresistible to normies, consisting of:
1) The timeless monomyth of the Hero's Journey
2) An idealized black-and-white morality version of World War 2 (the foundation myth of our modern society) in space
3) Cool special effects and space laser fights
Combine this with a bunch of storytelling concepts and hacked together scenes inspired by samurai movies, cowboy movies, WW2 movies and even Nazi propaganda films like Triumph of the Will, and you have an instant smash hit that sticks in the cultural consciousness for years to come.
It was so well executed that I would not bat an eyelid if I was told that it was secretly backed by the CIA or MI6.
The Disney trilogy tried to do the same thing. They made sure to include the warhawk World War 2 analogy, even went into more depth with it in having a plotline with the Republic trying demiltarization and "appeasement" and underestimating the First Order and getting their planet blown up.
However, people are more numb to flashy special effects now than they were in 1977, and they tried to "subvert expectations" too much to pull off a really resonating monomyth, and with the different writers and directors all trying to pull the plot in different directions and just being really sloppily done (particularly the ending), even a lot of the SJWs ended up hating it.
Disney were handed the opportunity to make another instant classic with minimal effort, and they screwed it up.
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