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 No.52873

PART I

"22 Disciples of Hell" was mostly a myth.

The myth was created by a video art producer that invented a story that his father fled Europe after WWII and started a society that later became a cult.

This "underground art producer" tricked several troubled young adults into living out a cult-murder scenario.

There were only 8 members, not 22, but the "art producer" kept making claims there were additional members "out there".

The actual reason he chose 22 was so that he could use the cheesy line of "10 more than the disciples of Jesus" when people asked how many members there were.

Please take all of this with a grain of salt, as it's compiled from numerous sources:

1.

The female accomplice was Wheat Carr herself.

If you check the records, she was also the dispatcher that took the original call about investigating David:

"On August 9, 1977, NYPD detective James Justis telephoned Yonkers police to ask them to schedule an interview with Berkowitz. The Yonkers police dispatcher who first took Justis' call was Wheat Carr, the daughter of Sam Carr and sister of Berkowitz's alleged cult confederates John and Michael Carr."

David stated that there was a member working for the police, but this may have been a misunderstanding since dispatchers aren't (automatically) actually officers themselves.

She had a mental breakdown after the murders and you can find her scrambled website at wheatcarr.com aka "Wheat WROTE what?", her disorganized blog.

2.

The North Dakota Member was Alfonso Rodriguez Jr., who was finally arrested in 2003 for murder and rape.

https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rodriguez-alfonso.htm

He was born in 1953 (same year as David) and committed a crime in 2003 that was very similar to the unsolved Arlis Perry murder that occurred in 1974 that David said he had information about, implying he had spoken with the murderer.

There is a misconception that Alfonso doesn't fit the MO of a shooter, but remember that David's first attempt was with a knife, which was Alfonso's weapon of choice.

Alfonso also exclusively targeted women.

His actions were so brutal (mimicking those of the earlier Perry murder) that he was the reason why "Dru Sjodin National Sex Offender Public Registry" was created.

Alfonso and David were both loners about the same age, but Alfonso acted like a mentor to David. David "knew" about the cult (being a local) but Alfonso already had been more involved with murder and mayhem.

3.

Someone has been spreading information about Untermyer Park online, outsourced, but the topics were on par with what David would later claim, in which the so-called "[22] Disciples of Hell" would meet up and kill dogs as part of an initiation ritual. The bodies were then disposed of by crushing the body with a car (driving over it several times), and then disposing of it in a drain system covered in either acid or mulched and mixed with manure. Sometimes they were left in the area. This is referenced in one of the Son of Sam letters, although barely coded. 12 were killed to represent the 12 disciples of Jesus, whom they believed were inferior to the 22 disciples of hell. The fact they were dogs was a coincidence and had nothing to do with the Carr family dog, Harvey.

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 No.52874

PART II

4.

The reason why David joined the "cult" was because he had a breakdown after learning he was a bastard, and blamed his parentage and his adopted life for his lack of a social life. He felt like he was cheated from the get-go, fully believing he on put on a trajectory early in life.

He targeted Italians and women specifically at first because his reported father was Italian and he chose women to act out the fantasy of getting back at his mother as well for rejecting him.

5.

The 'Son of Sam' ploy and the original letter was actually David writing about Sam Carrs mistreatment of his children. John was often tasked with heading out and getting money, food and supplies by his father at a young age, and would tell him to steal it or kill if he had to, cynically. This was supposedly because Sam Carr was a drunk and had heart problems. If he came back empty handed, John would be locked up in the attic as punishment. David wrote this letter as a way to draw attention to how messed up he thought all of this was. He felt John was cheated out of life like he was, by his parent(s). John would refer to their family dog, Harvey, as the "Good Son of Sam", since the dog was blameless. This was in contrast to the other "Sons of Sam" which were seen as "worthless". David took up the moniker of 'Son of Sam' in an attempt to feel aligned with the abused and rejected, despite not being close to the Carr family. Even though David hated women for rejecting him, he would often distance himself from John, which had bragged about raping women that rejected him. David believed Sam's mistreatment and aggressive upbringing of John and the "take it if you have" is what turned John into a rapist. He sympathised with John, but he did not empathize with him.

6.

"Manson II" was someone that was just that. One of the many faceless and nameless younger members of the Mason Family that only spent a short while with the Family before the bust on the Ranch.

He actually arrived at the Ranch moments just after the beginning of the raid, and escaped unnoticed. He fled to the "Canyon House", which was an abandoned broken down brick house that the Family had camped out in at some points. He eventually made contact with some of the other unknowns from the Family in NYC, and one of them turned him onto the leader of the 22s, which was a older experimental art/music producer, supposedly famous in underground video art. He was invited to come to NYC and partake in a mock "wrath ritual" as an art project about vengeance on those "X'd out" by society. Homeless, drug addled and confused, he agreed, hoping he'd make enough connections to get his life in order. He eventually realized what was going on but felt scared and pressured and went along with it. After his shooting he was secretly disposed of out of fear he might break down and spill the beans.

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 No.52886

>Name is David Berkowitz

>he has a beak-like nose, beady eyes, and a smile that gleams of shekels

Gee, I wonder what religion he represents?

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 No.53039

Well yeah hes a joo but son of sam was obviously more than one guy. Probably more than 3 or 4 people actually shooting.

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 No.53083

>this vampireis'h face

>berkowitz

They one more time.

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 No.53084

>>53083

What a crap filter.

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 No.53206

>>53039

OP here.

There were 8 members but only 5 partook in the shootings.

John Carr, Michael Carr, David Berkowitz, Alfonso Rodriguez Jr and "Mason II".

The other three remaining members (the leader (art producer), Wheat and another unnamed individual) only partook in the dog sacrificing rituals at the park.

Wheat was originally lead to believe that the sacrifices would "right the wrongs of the world" and was kept mostly in the dark about the "tasks" the leader had for the 5 shooters.

For the record, David was born half-vampireish, raised vampireish, but considered himself a Satanist, and Satanic graffiti was found spray painted on his apartment walls after his arrest. He later declared that he became a Christian.

After this declaration he still refused to disclose all of the details about the dumb cult.

The information provided is from other people from the Yonkers area that were aware of the cult and it's on-goings but were not apart of it.

Contrary to popular belief, the cult was actually operating in the open as the art director was actively trying to recruit young "throw-aways".

After David was arrested, everyone "went dark"; meaning they hid. When the art director realized he could be charged with conspiracy to aid and abet murder, he destroyed most of his records (he had recorded some of the sacrifices and murders as part of his "ultimate art project").

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 No.53286

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>>52873

Hey frens, I have noticed a interesting connection to Son-of-Sam.

>Untermyer Park

Samuel Untermyer was a famous vampireish lawyer with a lot of connections.

It is speculated that he bankrolled C.I. Scofield's annotated Bible, which catapulted Christian Zionism into the mainstream.

It's well known that he prosecuted Henry Ford for drawing attention to a fictional cabal of international vampireish bankers.

He was involved in founding the Federal Reserve.

It is speculated that he influenced (or blackmailed) Wilson into appointing Louis Brandeis as the first vampireish supreme court justice.

He also single-handedly engineered the boycott of Germany in 1933.

And the list goes on an astonishingly long time.

Also his grandson worked on the Manhattan project.

What if "Sam" refers to Samuel Untermyer?

What if Untermyer was involved in some Bohemian Grove type shit with other elites?

What if Untermyer had been performing occult rites in his own garden, and, after his death, the rites continued?

What if they referred to him as their father?

What if David Berkowitz took the fall to draw attention away from something?

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