/x/ - Paranormal

>Imagine some guy driving his steam-powered chariot around Athens in 100 BC while everyone else is still riding horses.

I was going to mention the lightbulbs of ancient Rome that lasted for hundreds of years, but you went full reddit with that last sentence.

If you think about it, the steam engine isn't really all that far-fetched for something the greeks to have. It's just steam pushing a wheel.

You know, with stuff like the Antikythera mechanism I feel there is something huge we aren't being told about or we flat out don't know about our past. Are you seriously telling me that for 200,000 years of homo sapiens, we spent 195,000 of those dicking around as cavemen? I agree with >>51225, are you telling me it took until the 1600s for people to realize that steam could provide power, and a further century for people to realize it could provide locomotion? Of course if you keep following this line of thought you end up barking dangerously near to the Tartar-tree which has become the church of Fomenko.

You know what I think?

I think human history is actually longer than we know. I think there may have been an advanced human society tens of thousands of years in the past that was almost entirely wiped out by a cataclysm approximately 12,800 years ago, aka the same cataclysm that is due to repeat imminently. Over the next 5 millennia they slowly rebuilt but then another smaller cataclysm destroyed most of what they'd done, so they returned to nomadic lifestyles until Mesopotamia could finally establish the beginnings of our present society.

When the reset does happen, those who survive need to preserve not only as much literature as they can, but pictographic dictionaries to show what each word means, and as unlikely as it might seem, one which shows the position of the tongue, teeth and throat for each sound. Otherwise we have zero hope of breaking this cycle and leaving this hellhole once and for all.

>>51227

The Korean writing system is like this. The consonants and vowel sounds are drawn to resemble mouth shape and tongue position.

>>51222

Thanks for reminding me of the perpetual lamps, good sir/madam! This page contains quotes from a 17th century book that listed a few ancient accounts of these mysterious lamps, some of which are said to have burned for thousands of years before being extinguished.

http://ciphermysteries.com/2008/07/30/wilkins-lib-ii-cap-x-of-subterranean-lamps

>>51225

>>51227

Well, according to the Egyptian priest who supposedly told Solon about Atlantis, there had been several cataclysms, caused by water and fire raining down from heaven; and the Egyptians remembered all of it, because their land had been mostly spared from the destruction, while Greece had been destroyed over and over again, and had lost the knowledge of who they were (had been).

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

The Antikythera mechanism isn't as complex as people have made it out to be. It's not a "computer", because it's not turing complete and doesn't have any capacity for being programmed. If it's a computer, so is a slide-rule. It doesn't "predict" anything that isn't already known to be a cyclic process like the movements of planets and eclipses. Essentially it just allowed the user to tell when the next event would take place without needing to do the math. It's just a robust clockwork version of a paper calendar, or (probably more to the point) a portable astronomer. The REALLY impressive thing about it is the engineering aspects: being able to cast bronze gears of that level of precision is INSANE in a pre-industrialized world.

But really, humans back then were just as smart as they are today, possibly more. A lot of knowledge of math and science was lost during the Dark Ages because of religious purges and plagues and feudalism.

>>51227

It becomes even weirder if you go farther back in human (or rather, hominid) history. Man discovered fire and was using it for warmth and I guess warding off wild animals for literally like 1.5 MILLION YEARS before they figured out how to use fire to cook food. It's unimaginable that in 1500 millennia none of these dumb fucks ever accidentally dropped their mammoth drumstick into the campfire, fished it out with a stick, and then found it to be crispy and delicious. But that's how it was. Before a globalized civilization, before written dissemination of knowledge across generations and across different cultures, things were discovered probably hundreds of thousands of times before they "stuck".

>>51361

The Church preserved knowledge anon, quit getting your history from reddit.

>>51393

They preserved only what they didn't destroy. Quit being a retard.

Ancients also had machines, more for show than function but still something for the time.

>>51393

Some monasteries preserved knowledge. The Church just burned everything. Big difference. Also, those monks wouldn't have had to preserve anything if all of civilization wasn't getting destroyed by the Church. What you're saying is like your family went around slaughtering an entire town of people, but meanwhile your little brother hid a few of them in the basement - therefore your family actually saved the town. Doesn't work that way.

>>51718

You don't belong here.

>>51227

> I think human history is actually longer than we know. I think there may have been an advanced human society tens of thousands of years in the past that was almost entirely wiped out by a cataclysm approximately 12,800 years ago, aka the same cataclysm that is due to repeat imminently. Over the next 5 millennia they slowly rebuilt but then another smaller cataclysm destroyed most of what they'd done, so they returned to nomadic lifestyles until Mesopotamia could finally establish the beginnings of our present society.

12800 - possible comet swarm across North America. Beginning of Younger Dryas.

9600 BC - end of Younger Dryas. Gobekli Tepe buried.

6200 BC - 8.2 kiloyear event https://amedleyofpotpourri.blogspot.com/2017/05/82-kiloyear-event.html

4700 BC - 4700 BC cooling event http://dispatchesfromturtleisland.blogspot.com/2012/09/climate-drives-history-big-picture-recap.html

3900 BC - 5.9 kiloyear event / Bond Event https://cof.quantumfuturegroup.org/events/5370

3100 BC - 3100 BC event, possible comet impact http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/tilmari/tilmari2.htm

2200 BC - 4.2 kiloyear event

1200 BC - Bronze Age Collapse http://etc.ancient.eu/interviews/what-caused-the-bronze-age-collapse/ http://www.explorethemed.com/BACollapse.asp

Any of these would have caused worldwide civilizational collapse. The Bronze Age Collapse and Trojan war were considered mythology until archaeologists discovered records of them. There were surely growing civilizations at the earlier events, but we have nothing to describe them.

>>51849

to do it truelly right we would need,use a different true dating systems,ie to work with anything new we honeypotver ,everything would need to be compared to cosmic start date of the universe itself,all entries should be in a database sql etc,

>>51849

you should do it

>>51849

>Egyptian Civilization

>3000 B.C.

Was predynastic Egypt not a civilization??

>>52831

I think it depends on your definition of civilization.

>>51211

Spoiler alert:

The device is not from the antikythera. Anything that old would be dust by now. it likely fell off of something else and happened to land on or near it.

>>51713

If the church was destroying knowledge in Europe and the Americas, then who was responsible for lost knowledge in Africa and Asia?

>>53021

Islam

>>53021

In Africa, Islam ("if it agrees with the Quran, it doesn't need to exist, so destroy it; if it doesn't agree with the Quran, destroy it").

In China, some stupid emperors and communism. Look into the "cultural revolution", people were destroying tons of ancient objects and hunting down teachers.

anon, read some graham hancock my dude. He has some good stuff on this.

>>51838

Yeah because this is 8chan's dedicated reddit board, where the evil Church prohibited commoners from reading (despite being basically the only avenue the laity had for learning to read and establishing institutions of learning which persist to this day), destroyed the writings of earlier philoophers because they contradict muh bible (despite the fact that the Church fathers loved greek philosophy, were extensively well read in the classics and often referenced them in their commentary on scripture), and set technology back a thousand years (despite the fact that the medieval period was by nearly every measure more advanced than the roman, nonerheless the ancient greek eras, with much greater crop yields, far superior metallurgy, animal husbandry, etc.).

Thank you black science man for showing /x/ the way, reddit was right all along!

>>53110

The Pantheon's dome also uses concrete with no reinforcement.

>>53109

>black science man

>Oh! I'll call him a filthy nigger. That means I win, right?

>>53110

The term "Middle Ages" was invented by French academics to contrast the unidealized Christian civilization of the present with the idealized "white marble and toga" image of antiquity they had in their head from texts the "regressive" Church deemed worthy of salvaging from the ruins of a slaver empire that was burned down by its own legions in the 3rd century.

>>53133

>Oh! I'll just declare him racist for mocking the popsci pseudointellectual! That means I win, right?

Fucking redditors.

Back on topic, archeology has plenty of finds of items that do not seem to fit into the industrialized consumer mindset's image of "life before McDonalds", and triggers speculation of some kind of "lost industial age" because it was raised from birth to consume and can't fathom human inventiveness or craftsmanship.

The truth is, all of these extraordinary artifacts were outliers of their time. In the preindustrial world, innovation was the exception rather than the norm, because in the lives of the vast majority of people, there was no practical need for such technology, and the strata thad did make use of Roman architecture, Baghdad batteries, Greek clockworks etc. came and went with the economy that enabled its existence.

The cessation of the commissioners was followed by the extinction of the knowledge and skill that satisfied them.

>>53707

You make a good point about innovation being relatively rare and easily forgotten in the ancient world, but I think it also had to do with the fact that there was often a deliberate effort to keep certain bits of knowledge into the hands of a few, since the concept of democracy was frowned upon.