No.50140
Does becoming an occultist (beginner or professional) destroys your life or not ?
I've heard many stoires and people who where saying their life were destroyed but getting big rewards and powers for it,and how so some din't lose anything and they live a peacefull life?
How is that some people get fucked over and some don't?
i've had many encounters too with entities, but never had a problem.
Can an Goetia user tell me their stories or explain to me why
Or just give me your opinion.and experiences as an occultists in your everyday life.
I'm just really curios.
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No.50141
>>50140
>does X hobby make you Y
only if you let it, fam
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No.50142
>>50141
i guess it would have been better phrased as:
>becoming X does not make you/your life Y
unless you let it
polite sage for double post
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No.50143
>>50142
>>50141
And how you "don't let it" ?
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No.50144
>>50142
easy, i dont inherently believe everything i see with my own eyes/hear other people tell me is "true" until it can be proven wrong, one way or the other.
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No.50160
It may seem that way, but most occultists are already heavily depressed before they start dabbling in it.
I tried contacting goetia demons two times to ask them for something, one was a minor success but nothing substantial, the other ruined my chances with a girl I was asking to get, however I didn't care about it that much. He might still be helping me for all I know, but not in a way I wanted. Both times I contacted entities described as peaceful, the second one even joked with me through tarot.
My experiences didn't really change anything, still feeling suicidal from time to time.
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No.50165
>>50160
>most occultists are already heavily depressed before they start
ok, but WHY? tell me WHY are the depressed, and MAYBE i will listen to [you]
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No.50167
>>50165
I guess when you grow hopeless you gradually get more desperate
As for those who are just naturally interested in mystery and occult, they generally aren't accepted into society due to their beliefs stranding too much from an average person's
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No.50168
>>50167
> when you grow hopeless you gradually get more desperate
i think it depends on your "outlook on life", fam.
"we're surrounded by the enemy? good! now i wont have to walk as far when its time to bury their bodies!"
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No.50170
>>50168
I think it's the matter of intelligence, I've yet to see a smart person who's also optimistic
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No.50171
>>50170
>I've yet to see a smart person…
maybe, just maybe, thats because you havent really opened your eyes yet?
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No.50172
>>50171
I really don't think so
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No.50173
>>50172
alrighty then, i guess our conversation here is over now. carry on, citizen.
always remember anon, sage is not a downvote
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No.50175
>>50170
f you havent found such a person you need to expand your criteria for either one. I am a very outwardly optimistic person who is smart, fake and gay I know. Theres a difference to being optimistic and being gleefully ignorant however. Ignorant people say nuclear holocaust will never happen and say its pessimistic to suggest it will happen, but personally as an optimist I hope it will be the biggest and best nuclear holocaust to ever happen.
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No.50176
>>50140
>Does becoming an occultist (beginner or professional) destroys your life or not ?
It can, if occultism becomes your whole life, which for some people, it certainly does. But it happens with other 'hobbies' too, like chess or videogames…
Although articles such as this would seem to suggest that there's something different about occultism, in that some things like to remain 'occult' (hidden) and don't like being studied…
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2013/12/the-hazards-of-psychic-backlash/
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No.50178
I would say it does, based on my own experiences.
For the last couple of years I've been reading a lot of grimoires and shit like, and a lot of weird shit went down. Just small things, tho. Like a burst of anxiety for no specific reason, hearing weird noises when trying to sleep, waking up in the middle of the night for no reason and feeling like shit every now and then. I've also seen some shit prior to reading said grimoires and delving into the occult, but that's not the case.
Maybe I'm having some mental breakdown because of depression or Idk, but that's it.
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No.50179
>>50178
My brother got shot at school after i started messing around with keys of Solomon. I never felt anything during the many rituals prior, and I never got any answers to my questions, but I knew it was directly related to my works because of the very niche lifestyle the shooter held that coincided with one of the demons major traits. I havent tried summoning again but i might.
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No.50180
Magic uses your subconscious as it uses you as a whole. An example are people that are scared of oujia boards who end up manifesting bad situations. Magic generally has an element of sacrifice to it, if there is no give, it can take. Magic can produce results that users are ready for. Then some people do stupid things like giving their soul to a demon. Poor character or evil intentions seem to backfire on people. This is mostly based on hearsay though, could just be occult community gossip.
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No.50183
Not really. You could have the craziest rituals and no one would ever know if you just stick to 2 daily rituals. You could be a britbong witch and then after a few hours be a normal britbong at a pub.
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No.50220
>>50179
>believes a Goetic demon he summoned is linked to a school shooting that killed his brother
>might summon again
Don't. Seriously, don't. Do NOT resummon something that you even suspect killed someone. The fact you're even considering summoning it again after losing your brother is concerning.
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No.50226
>>50220
No he didn't die, just got shot. Your probably right, but the results were more than I ever imagined. I want it to show me things about the world you cant learn anywhere.
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No.50228
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No.50232
It just depends on what you value the most. You aren't gonna have a loving family in your future if you decide to mess with that stuff. And you really can't go back once you get in deep enough. Your brain will be fucked up permanently by forbidden knowledge.
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No.50247
>>50226
Do it! The demon probably did it because you insulted him in some way, just stick to the ones you feel are similar or closer to you
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No.50248
>>50175
That's just going full psycho, which is something I also play around with
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No.50305
Occult just means “different” than mainstream teachings.
I’d highly recommend reading Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill
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No.50308
>>50305
woah this book is epic so far anon thx
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No.50546
>>50165
>ok, but WHY? tell me WHY are the depressed
Spirituality is linked in our brain with serotonin
For example Schizo's see stuff because they overproduce serotonin (btw acid works the same way)
your body can't constantly overproduce serotonin so you also have your lows which can in some cases bleed into depression.
most manic depressed and obviously all Schizo's i have met so far are highly spiritual on one way or another.
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No.50547
>>50305
Doesn't occult translate more to hidden(knowledge)?
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No.50562
Why do people ask these questions when there's an entire board dedicated to discussing the occult
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No.50563
>>50547
Ya you're right. A lot of people on this board talk out their ass when it comes to magic
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No.50740
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No.50741
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No.53772
Occultism is SHIT. Turn to YAHVÉ, the ALMIGTHY… "Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth" (Isaiah 37:16).
REPENT!
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No.53794
>>50563
There are people on this board that talk out their ass for every subject.
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No.53942
>>50140
Try studying the occult before doing any of the serious shit. Breaking the laws of nature and changing your timeline is life changing. You can't literally reset to normal like they can in Grim & Evil.( Unless you try to gain "immortality" by making your personal reality mundane and repeatable) Remember that higher laws override lower laws, As above so below. And as long as you are well versed in literature, the creation of thoughtforms and you proliferate that understanding, you will have your own skeleton key.
And a little secret…
It's the only thing you can keep when your dead!
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No.53947
>>50140
>be me
>start working with goetia bc no gf virgin
>summon Sitri to get laid
>my father dies the next day of a random heart attack
>get mad puss tho
After awhile I started working with Belial who led me to go from a NEET dependent on my father and cooming the day away to a successful productive man. Now i'm free of drugs and addiction, in a successful relationship, attractive and buff, and on nofap because I get all the pussy I want.
Anyone who wants books or advice on goetia, qliphothic demonolatry, or just wants to ask some questions lmk.
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No.53982
>>53947
Do you mind posting what you did for the ritual to summon Sitri? Also, how trained were you at the time?
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No.53993
>>53947
was your father's death a coincidence?
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No.53994
>>53947
>who wants books or advice on goetia, qliphothic demonolatry
Could recommend some, please?
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No.54004
>>53994
Not the anon from the previous post but if you're an absolute beginner the Illustrated Goetia would probably be a good place to start to get a very generalized overview.
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No.54068
>>53982
I did a simple opening of his sigil by gazing at it while chanting his "enn". I gave him an offering in the form of a candle and some incense and made my petition. I had no practical experience with evocation but extensive armchair knowledge and experience with chaos magick.
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No.54069
>>53993
I later had it confirmed by Belial and Lucifer that he died as a result of my choice to enter the left hand path. His survival was an active impediment to my growth materially and spiritually. His death ended up leading to a massive amount of benefits for me. Free college, a $700 paycheck every month, etc.
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No.54070
>>53994
I am Qliphoth anon, I recommend the works of V.K. Jehannum especially for initiation. E.A. Koetting's books are pretty good if you can look past the shameless sales tactics and general edginess. Asenath Mason's book The Tree of Qliphoth is rather good. Also I would look into the temple of the ascending flame.
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