No.49501
I've been interested in ancient history for a while, and especially 'forbidden' history (the stuff we're not supposed to believe because it's totally just myths). If you're into this as well, you probably know how frustrating it is to try to put together the pieces of the puzzle without having all the pieces, or even a clear idea of what the final result should look like.
Eagles and dragons. Heaven and earth. I didn't know this until recently, but there are people who interpret the story of Eve and the serpent as a love story. The fruit she ate symbolized the act of sex. In this retelling of the event, Abel was Adam's son, while Cain's blood was mixed. Some people actually believed that Cain's lineage was superior to Abel's for this reason.
Just to be clear, I'm not a christian… I see the bible as one of many ancient texts, which may help us better understand our history. Genesis 3:15 says “And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your descendants and her Descendant. He will crush your head, and you will bruise His heel.” This is god talking to the serpent. This passage seems to support the idea that there were 2 lineages, whose destiny was to fight each other until the end of times.
Eagles and snakes. Apollo vs Python. Thor vs Jormungand. Two powers at war with each other. Why did some empires, tribes and royal families take one side over the other? Why was the snake worshipped in some cultures and demonized in others?
A few days ago I was watching a video about the Sarmatians (also called Sauromatians). They were an ancient tribe that was part of the broader Scythian culture. Fearsome indo-european warriors who were spread all over Eurasia, from Spain to China. Their influence was enormous. Their symbol was the dragon. Even their armor and their horses' armor resembled dragon scales. But as we know, indo-europeans are usually associated with sky gods. Of course, we're not supposed to believe that their obsession with dragons had anything to do with their name.
Mainstream historians will never consider this, but I believe that if we could trace these symbols to their source, we'd have a better idea of what the final picture looks like.
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No.49502
When did eagles become the opposite of dragons!?
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No.49504
>>49502
The Romans used the eagle as their main emblem, and before that the Greeks had associated the eagle with Zeus. The olympian gods were said to have triumphed over the chthonic gods. The chthonic gods were often associated with serpents. So this dichotomy goes back to at least classical times, but it might be even older than that.
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No.49508
>>49504
Ancient Celts had a serpent cult in some areas and then the Romans killed the druids.
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No.49515
"The Secret Teachings of All Ages" by Manly P. Hall claims that the "eagles" seen in heraldry are actually occult symbols of the phoenix (which was allegedly a real life bird at one point in history).
That's all I've got. I think you're on to something, OP.
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No.49525
>>49508
Based on what the Romans had to say about them, it does seem like the Celts practiced a different, perhaps more primitive kind of religion, which the Romans considered superstitious and barbaric. For example they still sacrificed humans to their gods and didn't build stone temples, instead preferring to perform their rituals in the woods.
An interesting little fact that's seldom mentioned is that the human sacrifices, which involved burning people alive, were accompanied by dances and singing. To a close-minded mainstream historian this might seem unusually cruel and almost inhuman, but what if the Celts performed those sacrifices not because they wanted to, but because their gods forced them to? And they danced and sang to cover the screams of their victims?
>>49515
The Chinese immortals allegedly ate phoenix meat at their feasts. I tend to not put too much faith into modern occultists, but I'll have to read Manly P. Hall's book sooner or later.
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No.49528
>>49525
In a video I watched, someone was saying how they believed it could have been possible for some ancient human sacrifices in Europe to have been voluntary. I have to start keeping a video diary so I can post videos in moments like this.
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No.49549
Interesting evolution of iconography here: when did dragons get wings?
Could we see the winged serpent as a combination of your eagles and snakes?
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No.49552
>>49528
Aztecs had some voluntary sacrifices alongside the POW sacrifices.
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No.49561
>>49549
When it comes to depictions of gods and angels, I tend to think of the wings as symbolic of flight. The word 'dragon' was used to describe different kinds of reptilian creatures, some of which were no different from normal snakes except for their huge size. So the dragon could also have been a snake-like creature that had the ability to fly through technological means. But there are also stories of actual winged dragons, so who knows?
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/02/a-strange-history-of-real-dragons/
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No.49564
>>49549
In a chinese creation myth the world was divided in 5. One ruled by a tortoise, a crane, a fish, a tiger, and the middle world by a 3-headed monkey. The monkey produced 99 eggs which were all stolen except for the biggest one. The biggest egg hatched and out came a serpent that was tasked with bringing back the eggs. The serpent did so and in the process grew hands and wings thereby creating the first dragon. All the eggs were then hatched and all the beasts of the earth were born and out of two of those came man and woman.
I also find it interesting that the yin-yang opposition is associated with a tiger-dragon dichotomy. The dragon being the yang force.
In most western myth the dragon is something to be killed and overcome, whereas in eastern myth the dragon is much more a "hero's helper" type, laid back and sometimes causing mischief.
Why is that?
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No.49567
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>>49564
I'm not very familiar with East-Asian mythology, but according to Jason Reza Jorjani, the oldest yin-yang symbol was found in Roman art, and I think he suggested that it might have been brought there by the Sarmatians, the same people who also influenced Chinese culture.
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No.49568
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Just gonna post this here. This guy talks about the Leviathan from the bible and lays out a Storm God vs. Serpent dichotomy that is found across many ancient cultures, it's definitely worth a watch.
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No.49635
What are you talking about? The enigma was solved during the second world war.
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No.49653
>>49561
pic related , what the hell could be that square thing on his arm? (2nd dude from left to right)
Looks like a chip to ms
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No.50243
>>49528
in India they've had voluntary human sacrifices for millennia. The sacrificial lamb is revered and taken care of for a year prior to the ceremony, then drugged up prior to the sacrifice. they think its an honor- i think that was from Manly P Hall Secret Teachings of All Ages but I can't remember
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No.52732
I agree, that guy helped more than any poster I've seen before or since. the connecting of the rods is what unlocks EVERYTHING.
if you don't know this, you can't read.
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No.52743
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No.52796
>>49525
>An interesting little fact that's seldom mentioned is that the human sacrifices, which involved burning people alive, were accompanied by dances and singing. To a close-minded mainstream historian this might seem unusually cruel and almost inhuman, but what if the Celts performed those sacrifices not because they wanted to, but because their gods forced them to? And they danced and sang to cover the screams of their victims?
You got a source for that which isn't Tacitus or post romanization? There is frighteningly little that whites know about their own ancestral history both due to Roman occupation and later christian purges of paganism.
The only human sacrifice that continually appears in classical history is by semitic groups. It was they who threw their own children into the fire, who sacrificed captives in a form of blood libel to Baal/Moloch and continue this practice today.
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No.54081
>>49501
Seek the Holy Spirit. Give your heart to Jesus Christ. Ask for it and your speculations, questions and work will be revealed. God Bless.
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