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 No.403[Last 50 Posts]

This thread is for the civil discussion of CRT displays (TVs and monitors) as used for retro video games and systems allowed by the board rules in the current sticky. Subtopics *directly* related to this main topic are welcome.
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 No.421

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I wanna fuck this entire setup.
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 No.427

>>421
That screen is laughably small though.
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 No.430

>>427
I like it! It's cozy.
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 No.431

We already have a CRT thread though?

https://8chan.co/vr/res/129.html
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 No.432

>>431
Fuck, I knew it was there somewhere. Spoilered image is kind of a shitty way to start a thread, however.
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 No.439

>>432
yeah, it's pretty easy to miss…spoiler image and spoiler op
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 No.480

>>431
Which idiot made it? and why did they chose to hide it behind spoilers? Nobody reads spoilers or clicks on spoiler images.
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 No.484

/vr/, halp. I just bought a Playstation a few days ago from a used vidya store, and I've been itching to use it. I bought an old CRT from Goodwill for the authenticity, but when I hooked up the console I couldn't get a display. There's static, so the TV is clearly functional, and the A/V cables are clearly plugged in right, and I can see and hear the machine running, but no channel gives me the game display. I'm not even sure what kind of TV it is, but I know for a fact that the console works, because I played about fifteen minutes of one of my games on a different monitor.

What do. I need my fix, /vr/.
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 No.492

>>484
>but no channel gives me the game display.

PS1 don't have RF connection, does it?
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 No.501

File: 1413031949140.jpg (122.64 KB, 640x480, 4:3, pure-sync-snes.jpg)

I don't know where else to post this, but since it has to do with getting a nice picture from my retro games, I'll try in here.

I just got a decent Trinitron kv20fs100, and I'd like to hook up my SNES with RGB via my scart-component transcoder. Unfortunately, I can't find any noise-free scart cables for sale right now (unless the ones from retrogamingcables.com are noise free. Does anyone know?) so I'd like to make my own. Unfortunately, while I have the schematics and some soldering experience, I have no idea what other parts I need, aside from an snes av cable, scart connector, wires, and wire cover that goes around small wires (I have no idea what that's called). Is there a good site that could help me get started with this task?
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 No.505

>>421
The correct way to set up retro consoles is that anything pre-Gen 6 gets hooked up to CRT. Anything Gen 6 and onward gets hooked up to an HDTV, because that's what they look better on. The one exception is for light gun games, since those won't work on an LCD and there are several worth playing in Gen 6, but as soon as you are done playing those you move them back to your HDTV.
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 No.519

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>>480
>Which idiot made it?
That would be me

>and why did they chose to hide it behind spoilers?

Because I'm an idiot, and was really just trying to see if anyone here would even be interested.

>>505
>Anything Gen 6 and onward gets hooked up to an HDTV, because that's what they look better on.
That's full on opinion. Especially if you have a 480p+ capable CRT.
You certainly can't beat the visual quality of a Dreamcast displaying on a real nice PC CRT over VGA.

7th gen I'll give you, but there are caveats to that too.
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 No.530

Have any of you guys heard about this?
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
It's a project by a couple of guys trying to make component cables for the Genesis and SNES.
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 No.548

>>530
Couldn't see a price on the site.
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 No.549

>>548
A member of the team "plugged" the cables on halfchan before. I believe he said that they wanted to keep them under $40 a pop. They talk about how much cheaper buying their cables will be when compared to a standalone transcoder when a transcoder and the SCART equivalent of the two cables they have planned would be the cheaper option of the two.
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 No.551

>>549
>>530
Compo cables for systems that already output RGB? Huh. The only angle they have for that is if they make it much cheaper than available transcoders.
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 No.560

>>492
It does in the UK at least, I have several ps1 RF cables.

To the guy who needs help, if it's RF: on most TVs you need to tune it to get the right frequency. I hope you have the remote.

For composite AV: You might need to switch the channel to AV mode, again I hope you have the remote!

Try using other ports on the TV if it has any. The advantage of SCART cables is that they automatically switch the TV to the right channel when you switch the console on. (for UK)
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 No.619

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 No.652

If those guys made a Saturn component cable I'd buy one. It's probably the only system i don't have running via rgb or component.
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 No.801

Bumping
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 No.804

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 No.1190

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A PVM I got a week ago. It's tiny as hell but it works for what I use it for.
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 No.1191

File: 1421380122277.jpg (171.84 KB, 960x720, 4:3, 32X component.jpg)

Here's the 32X transcoded from RGB to component.

Where is everyone anyway? Is /vr/ kill?
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 No.1192

File: 1421380195401.jpg (Spoiler Image, 3.74 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, Wii Component 480i.JPG)

Project M over component.

inb4 not retro
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 No.1193

File: 1421380352268.jpg (74.02 KB, 960x720, 4:3, 10933781_984291251598610_1….jpg)

Finally my PC Engine over s-video.
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 No.1232

>>1192
Does P:M look better/run THAT better through a CRT? I've got other games like f-zero and Pokemon stadium that i can run on my plasma and i'm wondering if its worth buying a CRT as well for non-HD titles
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 No.1235

>>1232
If you play a lot of standard def games then yes it's definitely worth it.
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 No.1246

>>1191
I used to post heavily on halfchan's /vr/, but with the recent fracturing of the community, plus bullshit in real life, I've not been doing much with video games other than getting irritated with them. If I'm in a bad mood, all I will do with classic games is fuck up, and that would negatively color my opinion of them.
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 No.1249

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Where would be the best types of places to try and hunt down a PVM type monitor?

My HD Sony Trinitron was recently kill because my fucking dog pissed on it back at a party. (Located somewhere in southern california)
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 No.1255

>>1249
Probably e-waste dumps or video production studios. I'd check craigslist first though. If nothing shows up then I'd go on ebay and hunt one down there.
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 No.1256

>>1232
In my personal opinion, yes. Now my PVM can only do 480i. But that doesn't seem like a problem as it looks amazing. I also own a HD TV that can handle 480p and the PVM just kicks its ass in quality. Less lag on the PVM too. Makes playing F-Zero GX much easier.
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 No.1264

Oh look at that, a CRT thread.

I recently picked up a Sony KV32-FV310 at Goodwill for $20+tax. How'd I do, /crt/?
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 No.1267

>>1264
What inputs does it have?
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 No.1276

>>1267
>>1267
Four sets of composite inputs, two sets of s-video inputs, two sets of component inputs, two RF in and one RF out, and an audio out.

Unfortunately no VGA, DVI, or RGB, but I wouldn't expect much more from a consumer CRT.
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 No.1277

>>1276
Should also mention that as per Wikipedia, it's one of the highest end 480i FD-Trinitrons ever manufactured, with a 10-bit 3D ATSC comb filter and also 2-tuner PiP available.
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 No.1279

>>1264
As long as it's not HD and doesn't have that pseudo "progressive" filtering that some of the late Sony models had then it'll be good.
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 No.1285

>>1279
It's not. It's a true 480i Trinitron.

What's the pseudo "Progressive" filtering you mention? I notice scanlines during normal usage and all, is there something I should be keeping an eye out?
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 No.1294

>>1285
I had one a few years back, the buzzword for it was called DRC "Digital Reality Creation". It was some sort of half assed de-interlacing method and it took away the visible scalines. It really sucked with retro games :(
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 No.1295

>>1294
>some sort of half assed de-interlacing method
DRC is one of the best commercial deinterlacers I've ever used. It's not "pseudo" progressive, either. It deinterlaces a 480i signal so that it can be scanned at 540p or 1080i on an HDTV.
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 No.1298

I have an early playstation with both the AV multiout port and RCA jacks for composite + audio.
Is it possible to use a component cable to get RGB from the AV port and use the RCA jack to use the composite signal as sync?
My PVM can use a composite signal as a sync source.
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 No.1300

>>1298
Yes, this will work.
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 No.1309

>>1295
On my SDTV the DRC system was still interlaced because you could still see all the classic interlacing artefacts. It just removed the visible scanlines or reduced them to the point where you can't see them. It did look great for 6th gen games and SD DVD's but for retro gaming it's awful.
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 No.1310

>>1300
I have read that the RGB lines need a 220uF capacitor to look right. Does the component cable already have these capacitors or do I need make a custom job for them?
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 No.1313

>>1309
>SDTV
>DRC
Link? I've only seen DRC used as an upscaler in HDTV models. There would be no point to having it in an SDTV. Are you sure you didn't have a progressive-scan EDTV?
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 No.1321

>>1313
>Are you sure you didn't have a progressive-scan EDTV?

100% positive. The model i had was KVEX29M39. Here's a link to the manual.
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 No.1322

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 No.1324

>>1321
>>1322
That's a progressive-scan (31KHz) chassis.
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 No.1328

>>1324
It isn't. It's a 15khz standard definition tv. There is no reference to 31khz in that manual at all. This is where it confuses everybody - It does say there is a "progresive" display mode but it's not true progressive scan. That's what i meant by "pseudo progressive" All it did was stabilise the jittering image somewhat. It looked good for still images but once there was movement you can still see the actual interlacing artefacts. For eg when the image is scrolling you could see feathering or when sprites are flashing on and off quickly once per frame you could see more feathering and distortion.

I owned one in Australia until it died on me recently. It accepted nothing but standard definition 15khz signals. I used it with my NES, Master System, SNES, PS1, Dreamcast, Gamecube and PS2. Also with my laptop svideo tv output which pumps out nothing but 15khz 480i. No progressive scan images could be displayed on it. I even once tried it with a gamecube and a ps2 with games that have a prog scan option.
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 No.1331

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>>1328
It's got an internal upscaler. Check the horizontal deflection with a scope; it's 31KHz.
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 No.1381

File: 1423294369469.jpg (2.09 MB, 2592x1936, 162:121, afterburnerii1.JPG)

Here's an old pic of a Samsung SD TV that I had for a while, before it was replaced by my PVM.

This is After Burner 32X over RGB transcoded to Component(YPbPr).
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 No.1706

I'm in need of a new tv. I mainly play SNES and Gamecube games off homebrew on my wii. Any recommendations?
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 No.1714

Why do CRTs just look so much nicer compared to HD TVs?

They also give off this weird comfy feel, like perfect for using on a rainy night kinda feel.
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 No.1715

>>1714
It's the x-rays, soothing you into a relaxed state.
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 No.1716

>>1381
Damnit, now I want to play After Burner
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 No.1735

>>1706
If you don't care about light guns, I'd recommend the Pioneer 40" 4:3 Plasma. It's perfect for 240p (SNES), 480i (most PS2), and 480p (Wii).

If you want a CRT for the light gun functionality then try the Sony PVM, BVM, or NEC XM29.

I'm a noob. Learn more by lurking these:

http://retrorgb.com/rgbmonitors.html

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43256

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/
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 No.1761

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Getting a clean picture of large screens is hard.
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 No.1762

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>>1761
Full screen shots at least.

SNES Mini RGB on a Mitsubishi XC-3730c
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 No.1768

>>1761
>>1762
Nice looking picture on that tube anon.
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 No.1770

>>1761
Nice, Is that a shadow mask type?
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 No.1772

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>>1770
That is correct. 36 or so inches of shadow mask to be specific.
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 No.1777

>>1715
I guess that's why I don't feel comfy with new TVs
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 No.1802

>>1761
>>1762
How much did she cost?
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 No.1805

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>>1802
Absolutely Nothing.

Not without problems though. It has a splotch of discoloration on the middle-left side of the screen that mostly affects reds and I don't have an external degaussing coil to try to get rid of it. My current solution to the problem, amusingly, is positioning an old boombox speaker off to the side of it. Doesn't get rid of it completely but it does make it unnoticeable at most times. I do need to get a coil at some point.

Tube itself has some scratches here and there, but for the most part they're small and not visible past ~3-4 feet away.

Only in the past two weeks have I actually seen decent quality video on it.
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 No.1897

File: 1426319313537.jpg (3.82 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, 1426294173319.jpg)

PC Engine RGB through a PVM.
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 No.1905

File: 1426433777082.webm (674.45 KB, 640x480, 4:3, A Tempo Kick .webm)

Whatta qtBug

RGBHV over a shoddily put together VGA->DB15 cable with inserted scanlines.
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 No.1906

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>>1905
Gives a pretty convincingly 240p look for the most part.
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 No.2004

Do you add some speakers to your CRT set up? Even when the CRT's speakers work fine?
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 No.2006

>>2004
If you want to, sure why not.
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 No.2083

I keep hearing nice things about S Video. Should I bother?
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 No.2084

>>2083
If you don't have access to RGB or component then s-video is a very nice alternative. Highly recommended.
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 No.2085

>>2083
It varies from tv to tv. It's definitely better than composite at the very least.
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 No.2086

>Tfw your old CRT only has composite

Looks like I have to dig though Ebay and hope I get lucky.
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 No.2087

>>2086
You should be able to find a nice little PVM for around fifty or sixty bucks. They're not too hard to come across.
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 No.2103

File: 1428571806628.webm (1.08 MB, 640x480, 4:3, A Hugo Poison.webm)

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 No.2251

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 No.2252

>>2086

What consoles are you running on it? SNES, N64, and Playstation look just fine with composite.

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 No.2262

>>2103

MORE ANGLED WEBMS WITH SCANLINES.

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 No.2266

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 No.2269

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 No.2275

>>2087

You're better off with an actual TV with Component input. Broadcast monitors are way too sharp for retro games.

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 No.2278

>>2269

>My nigga is here

aw yean

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 No.2281

File: 1430277468526.webm (2.66 MB, 640x480, 4:3, A Makoto Hugo Finish.webm)

This one didn't come out as nice thanks to the beam shadow choosing to rear its ugly head. I still like it though.

Real bitch when you've got 2000+ good photos and you can't decide which of the fuckers you want to post.

>>2278

I'm actually the one who made the original, spoilered CRT Thread that didn't take off.

And I'm obviously still on old /vr/.

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 No.2284

>>2266

Anon, you need to hold down before hitting the ground for a smooth landing, that thud makes you lose speed

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 No.2298

>>2269

Mah nigga

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 No.2300

Time for a dumb question: how do you know if a television is CRT?

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 No.2302

>>403

Emulationfag here, i've not been graced with being born when this shit was popular, but i want to get into collecting retro game, and i was wondering: How much would shit cost? Let's say i had a budget of 400 Euros. Now, there's a ComicCon soon in my city (Naples), so i can expect to see a stand selling old shit, but i wanted to know about the usual Price Range of Retroshit and where i can find the best deals.

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 No.2305

File: 1430407438087.jpg (1.04 MB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 101_4668.JPG)

>>2300

You know it's a CRT if it has a phat ghetto booty and doesn't flinch when you knock your knuckle into its face a few times.

>>2302

You're not likely going to find someone selling CRTs at a convention.

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 No.2308

>>2300

It is boxy and has a glass screen. If it is boxy and has a plastic screen, it is a rear-projector (garbage).

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 No.2317

>>2305

>>2308

Thanks. I guess I have a tiny as fuck one then. I was going to throw it out but I'll hang onto it for now.

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 No.2319

File: 1430495667012.jpg (529.36 KB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 101_8688.JPG)

>>2284

I'll keep that in mind for next time I play.

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 No.2323

>>2317

How tiny is tiny? If you mean one of those oldschool portable TVs, you might want to check on that. It might be an LCD.

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 No.2324

File: 1430542845587.jpg (3.89 MB, 3097x6119, 3097:6119, Demon Sword Tri.jpg)

Gimp's perspective tool is alright.

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 No.2329

File: 1430615092223.webm (6.05 MB, 640x480, 4:3, A Legend of Zelda Ocarin….webm)

Send help.

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 No.2336

>>2324

looks like a dick

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 No.2351

File: 1430983189800.webm (7.37 MB, 640x480, 4:3, A Mega Man 9 Extron.webm)

I really wish this was as flicker free in person as this video makes it seem.

Please excuse complete lack of ability to play, dealing with massive headache while angry over stuff not working correctly makes for a magical combination of shit.

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 No.2483

File: 1432412945236.jpg (3.15 MB, 4160x2340, 16:9, 20150523_160343.jpg)

I just picked up this PVM1353MD and im about to order some cords for it, but im not sure if I need a scart to bnc adaptor with a sync stripper or not. Im gonna be using it with a model 2 saturn, model 1 genesis, model 1 snes, and eventually my front loader nes once I mod it. Should I buy the adaptor with or without the sync stripper and will it cause problems with consoles that dont require it?

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 No.2484

>>2483

1353MD doesn't need a sync stripper. It'll work fine with cvid, csync, or luma. Probably sync on green as well.

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 No.2485

>>2484

So i can just pick up some euro scart cables for my consoles and a scart to bnc adaptor without the stripper and im good to go? Thanks for the reply btw.

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 No.2486

>>2485

Correct.

It'll also take Component on either of its RGB inputs, so making use of 6th Gen consoles or emulators on the Wii would be as simple as 3 RCA to BNC adapters.

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 No.2487

>>2486

Yeah I heard the Wii is actually great as an emulation console for PVMs, but I actually just sold it not too long ago. Would I be able to connect my composite saturn cables to the RCA to BNC adaptors and use them that way until I get my SCART cords and adapter? It'd be nice to stop using the shitty action crt 8" I'm using now. If so, Im gonna go run to radioshack before they close.

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 No.2488

File: 1432416465477.jpg (587.49 KB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 101_7105.JPG)

>>2487

I don't know if I'd say great, but it works well and is extremely simple to setup for it.

And the PVM will work just fine with composite with an adapter.

>Radioshack

Have fun paying out the ass. If I'm remembering correctly, they wanted something like $6 or 7 for a single damn adapter. You can get them for much much cheaper on amazon or ebay. Think the first ones I got from amazon were $3 for 6 and $4 on ebay for 5 RCA->BNC and 5 BNC->RCA.

If you're in a pinch and/or really need them, I guess RadioShack would work, but buying from them otherwise is just eh…

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 No.2489

>>2488

Thanks alot for the help my nignog. Gonna pick up 3 of them(5 dollars each…) and return em once I get my SCART cords in the mail.

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 No.2490

>>2489

Hope they don't go out of business before you can return them.

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 No.2492

File: 1432439699424.jpg (92.25 KB, 478x660, 239:330, charlotte-large111.jpg)

>>403

God damn I fucking love samsho 2

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 No.2531

File: 1432872384982.webm (7.23 MB, 640x480, 4:3, A Jurrasic Rhythm.webm)

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 No.2541

>>804

What monitor?

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 No.2546

I got a free crt to play all my old systems on a few months back; It was 300 pounds but worth it. Yesterday I bought an original xbox to complete my 6th gen console collection. Now I discover that the component inputs on that tv are fucked up and I can't see my doom 3 in nice shiny graphics :(

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 No.2547

>>2302

No, but you have been cursed by living in a time when retro collecting is at its peak. Nintendo fanatics will suck dick for a copy of melee. But, to answer you question; Find out prices by going on craigslist and ebay whenever you want to know how much a game goes for and ALWAYS make sure that something works before you buy off craigslist ( if it costs enough to be worth it). as for deals, stop by thrift stores frequently if you have any nearby and check out used game stores. Also, pawn shops sell ps2 and xbox games for dirt cheap but I doubt they'll have any good genesis or snes games. If you're really serious about collecting and don't have much money, don't go for nintendo. I'm collecting original xbox and ps1, and it's a lot less frustrating than nintendo consoles.

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 No.2606

What companies make good crts that do 480p or more(I'd also like if they're easy to find)? I mostly play retro, but I'd like to use the component cables for my xbox and wii.

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 No.2620

>>501

the scart cables from retrogamingcables are good, and have the correct kind of sync for my trinitron. You could probably build your own pretty easily though. Make sure the sync matches and maybe throw in some 75ohm resistors if your monitor is unterminated

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 No.2668

What would happen if you took your emulator, disabled overscan and ALL shaders, then hooked your computer into your TV, set the resolution to exactly your emulator's resolution, and fullscreened the emulator (to center it up)?

Would it be absolute dog shit, or would it be the most "authentic" setup possible?

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 No.2669

File: 1434141057429.jpg (308.31 KB, 1536x1128, 64:47, Macklemore_BLURRY_AS_FUCK.jpg)

>>2302

Nigga plz

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 No.2681

>>2668

If your pc is outputting the correct resolution and refresh rate it will look the same as the original console would.

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 No.2685

Hey /vr/ where can I find an HDCRT?

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 No.2687

>>2668

The inherent problem here is that PCs don't output standard television unless your video card supports TV-out. If it does, it does so in 480i probably via S-video. I've done this before, and it looks ok, but not amazing.

People who want an authentic looking emulator setup do that super wide shit with a tube PC monitor. It is cheating, but looks authentic.

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 No.2711

Speaking of CRTs, why do some games look better on them in general?

I could be hallucinating but it seems like with some games on the Dreamcast like Jet Set Radio, they look smoother on CRT than the PC version.

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 No.2718

>>2711

CRTs have better motion quality than LCDs. Look up "sample and hold".

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 No.2721

>>2687

CRT Emudriver exists for this reason. It allows your pc to output a correct low resolution progressive image that matches retro consoles/arcade games so the output is identical.

>>2711

Better colours, higher contrast, no motion blur, proper black levels etc.

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 No.2744

Playing an original copy, on an original machine, on a TV it was originally meant to be displayed on, for some people this is the only way to play retro. For me it is.

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 No.2764

In order to get the real experience, you do need a CRT as far as I care.

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 No.2783

File: 1434585519406.jpg (300.28 KB, 996x720, 83:60, DSC_0034-c.JPG)

Anyone know if the RGB BNC out on this PVM will be all right if that's plugged into an XCAPTURE-1? Will any kind of amplification be necessary?

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 No.2784

File: 1434585591650.jpg (417.65 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, DSC_0035-1.JPG)

>>2783

Sorry, forgot the other file

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 No.2835

>>1279

All of that shit can be turned of with "game mode" in the menu, no?

>>1805

>free crt

>appears not to degauss

Either the thyristor in the degauss circuit has gone, or being a found shadow mask it was dumped on its ass and the shadow mask has warped making it permanent.

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 No.2836

>>2004

Hell no, enjoy your funky colours. Speakers have to be shielded near a crt.

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 No.2837

File: 1435014520830.jpg (869.9 KB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 102_0197.JPG)

>>2835

It degausses, it's just wasn't strong enough to get rid of the discoloration.

I had a go at with a strong earth magnet mounted to a cordless drill and a soldering gun.

It managed to move the discoloration to the top, where it's much easier to place a speaker deal with the problem. It's also faded since doing that, so it's not really to big of a problem.

>a found shadow mask it was dumped on its ass and the shadow mask has warped making it permanent.

It wasn't found, I got it off of craigslist along with some rather odd conversations from the previous owner. He couldn't manage to get it to work despite claiming to have previously worked at IBM.

The monitor worked fine, the cheap ass BNC breakout cable he had bought didn't.

I will say I wouldn't be surprised if it was from rough handling, since the only people I had to help me move it aren't exactly the most careful of people. Then again, moving 200+lbs of CRT isn't the easiest thing to pull of either.

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 No.2839

>>2836

Shielded speakers are a dime a dozen…

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 No.2840

>>2839

Since the transition to flat panels they've been leaving off the shielding I've found. I use the centre in on my tele because even though my centre speaker is shielded it still fucks it up.

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 No.2847

>>2835

>Either the thyristor in the degauss circuit has gone,

Is it safe to replace the thyristor in the degauss circuit?

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 No.2858

Just got this monitor from a thrift shop, a ViewSonic G90f. I'm running it as a secondary on my main PC, and I want to use it for games as well as for secondary display. One thing I immediately notice is that the picture simply appears blurry. I'm running it at native res (1280x1024) but it looks blurry anyway. In particular, text that's in the center of the screen looks blurry. I have no idea why it is this way.

So far I've tried a few games out on it (Doom, Shenmue through my Dreamcast) and they look fantastic. Other stuff (especially with text) looks less than stellar. What do?

I understand there is something about phase and clock with CRTs that I can adjust? Can anyone here elaborate?

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 No.2868

>>2858

pic related.

I've been working with the picture, and it's better but not great yet. I'm working on improving its picture with Dreamcast stuff right now. Shenmue looks good, but 2D is rough. Even though I'm using VGA on it, I feel like I'd be getting much better quality by doing composite on my TV (A CRT from 2006 that does 240p/480i/480p). Maybe because the monitor is 1280x1024 native res? It's most notable to me in Street Fighter Alpha 3, it just seems like the TV has a much better picture in general.

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 No.2869

>>2868

CRT monitors have no native resolution.

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 No.2870

>>2869

I guess I'm just misunderstanding. I looked at the games on my TV again and found the PC monitor was doing better, probably the difference between composite and VGA on Dreamcast.

I decided to go back to working on the monitor, work on configs and get it looking better. Thanks for the response.

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 No.2871

>>2870

You may be able to improve the blurriness by adjusting focus/convergence if your monitor has a menu option for it. If it doesn't you could still open it up and adjust some potentiometers inside but I wouldn't recommend it because CRT monitors have very high voltages, even when turned off.

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 No.2872

>>2871

Yeah, I'm familiar with that from back in my arcade days. I read plenty about the insanity it can cause.

The way I look at it, I got a free monitor that's pretty good. Eventually I could find a better one, and if I do, then I'll use that one instead. I'll naturally do some configuring of this one, but otherwise I guess I can do without a CRT for my PC.

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 No.3076

>>2847

Yes but stay the fuck away from the flyback transformer and the anode cap. I claim no responsibility for your death. You should really read something safety related on the servicing of CRTs.

>>2858

I remember reading that blurriness in the centre of the tube is a sign that it's wearing out. Sorry I can't find the source again but I think it's from repairfaq.org

Here's one for you guys, I have a sony kvhr32 and it's doing blue streaks beside white text. Here: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_monfaq9.html#MONFAQ_012 suggests that it's bad coupling capacitors in the video amplifier but the question is, where the fuck is the video amplifier on the damn thing? If anyone has a list of Sony ICs and what they are it would come in mighty handy.

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 No.3119

I am using a crt as second screen / its a shit samsung monitor

IS there a way to connect it to my gamecube or sega mega drive ?

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 No.3128

>>2837

>The monitor worked fine, the cheap ass BNC breakout cable he had bought didn't.

How much are they supposed to be? Where can they be found?

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 No.3137

File: 1436965000707.jpg (1.17 MB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 102_3588.JPG)

>>3128

How much are what supposed to be? The cable?

For PC usage, any standard VGA->5BNC cable will work; I think mine cost me $7 or something like that. Ebay, amazon, various electronics retailers possibly.

For consoles, I've got my SCART breakout cable and a little sync stripper box for the sync line. I got mine from someone on neo-geo, but you can find them pretty easily on ebay or retrogamingcables.co.uk.

And when I say his cable didn't work, I mean that Red on the BNC end was just left floating, and was connect to ground on the VGA end. Vertical Sync wasn't seemingly connected to anything on either end.

I need to get the stuff to mod my Gamecube cable soon; I really want to see what it looks like on this monitor. Gonna add a switch so I can go back and forth between YPbPr and RGBHV.

Been meaning to try hooking it with S-Video, but without 480p support, it'd be a bit of a waste.

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 No.3142

You know those DVD player TVs? What kind of input does the signal from the DVD player go through? I was assuming it would either be RGB or component. If this is true, how hard would it be to RGB mod them?

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 No.3144

File: 1437006396503.jpg (1.4 MB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 102_2843.JPG)

>>3128

>>3137

Looking back at this, if you meant the monitor itself, it's really hard to give a price. It's not a very common monitor to find like the multitude of PVMs out there, and the closest thing comparable to it(aside from monitors from the same line) would be the larger NEC XM monitors; To be specific, the XM 37 Plus.

With these massive sets, their size and the people that are interested in/find them has a lot to do with what they end up going for. There was a smaller NEC XM that went for several hundred dollars on ebay some months back, but that was pretty highly circulated around various sites that would be interested in such a thing. Mine was on the local craigslist, wasn't nearly as well displayed(it was using a recycled picture from the internet) and to be honest wasn't in as nice of condition either.

Maybe at some point when I have a bit better equipment and feeling more confident, I'll try to do a cap replacement on it. That's a long way off though.

>>3142

While that would be rather nice, it wouldn't be surprising to find it just using composite internally for the sake of cheapness. Most people buying combination sets like that are looking for convenience, not quality. That isn't to say you might not find one wired up over a better connection internally, it's just not all that likely.

You have the think, even the TVs with integrated SNESs were wired up for composite internally, not RGB.

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 No.3145

>>3144

>You have the think, even the TVs with integrated SNESs were wired up for composite internally, not RGB.

You see, some of the ones I have seen look WAY to clean to be composite, which is why I ask.

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 No.3146

>>3145

It's not impossible, just not something I'd see to be all that likely.

You also have to take into consideration not only the very short cable run inside, possibly removing interference from the equation, but also that since that specific input is only ever going to see use from the DVD player/VCR/SNES or whatever, it could be configured specifically for it rather than an endless multitude of electronics.

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 No.3147

>>3146

>but also that since that specific input is only ever going to see use from the DVD player/VCR/SNES or whatever, it could be configured specifically for it rather than an endless multitude of electronics.

That's why I was looking into it. I have done CRT maintainence before, but I'm not the smartest guy ever when it comes to electronics.

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 No.3194

File: 1437234401007.jpg (204.3 KB, 3264x2448, 4:3, 6XU4pV9.jpg)

>>505

Correction. If it has a HDMI port, it gets hooked up with HDMI.

If it has any analog connections at all, that's straight up CRT. Be they RGB/SCART/JP-21 or even YPbPr, Analog is for CRTs.

Here, have my personal 15khz whine generator. 30" Sony FD Trinitron WEGA widescreen.

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 No.3195

File: 1437234736176.jpg (16.7 KB, 319x300, 319:300, 1424000068061-2.jpg)

>>1897

The corners of those pixels could cut glass. That is pixel pornography right there.

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 No.3196

>>2300

When a 30 inch takes two of you and a dolly to get it up stairs.

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 No.3319

>>2685

Craigslist

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 No.3355

File: 1437972608075.jpg (1.28 MB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 100_6106.JPG)

Despite being stupidly thing wire just stuffed into the AV port, this is one of the nicest looking pictures I've ever seen.

Glad I spent the time to get this Saturn up and working again.

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 No.3374

If anyone want's to recreate a Sony BVM in RetroArch using crt-royale here are the settings: http://pastebin.com/Qpfh52tJ

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 No.3380

File: 1438125043649.png (16.23 KB, 256x224, 8:7, Majin_Tensei_2_(J).094.png)

I recently got my hands on a small CRT TV for free (Beko TVB-2406 B), but don't have any consoles yet.

Given that it's a tv made for the German market and only has a SCART/Euro-AV input connector, would it be possible to hook up an imported Japanese console (e.g. ps2, gamecube, pc engine, Saturn) to this thing? Or is it impossible due to 50/60 Hz incompatibility?

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 No.3381

>>3380

It should be fine unless it's really really old.

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 No.3440

File: 1438358337376.jpg (9.83 KB, 300x261, 100:87, 1343MD.JPG)

So I'm told that most Radeon cards can be configured to output 15kHz RGBS under Linux with xRandr.

Looking over the related threads Google turns up, I saw some guy mention that there is some aspect of VGA signals that can harm a monitor,

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=842678

>It also (I understand) filters out the incorrect monitor frequencies so you don't end up destroying your lovely CRT.

Is that a thing, or is he wrong?

If he's talking about the PC outputting 31kHz while it boots up, could harm be avoided by leaving the monitor off until the proper signal is being sent?

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 No.3441

File: 1438378569853.jpg (676.58 KB, 1200x1600, 3:4, image172.jpg)

>>3440

Feeding an Amiga monitor the wrong frequency will just make it go crazy until you stop. Turning it off is fine. I remember there being some black magic involved with tweaking a Radeon card to spit out the right frequency, so I recommend building a cheapbox to do this, rather than using your primary desktop, especially if AGP video cards are required.

I used to have an Amiga monitor, but the oscillator was going. It worked fine, but the frequency of the whine gave me a splitting headache. Don't have that problem anymore, since my asshole relatives put all of my old computer stuff in a fucking dumpster under the guise of helping me move it to my new (at the time) house.

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 No.3443

>>3440

>under Linux

Windows too. I use CRT Emudriver with windows XP to output 15khz.

>can harm a monitor

Yeah the bootup/post screens will still be 31Khz. Some older monitors will have problems with this and might get damaged. My SD TV's are fine though - they just show a scambled screen until the windows logo starts. You can just leave the screen off until it's finished loading if you like.

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 No.3444

>>3441

>>3443

I see, I'll probably just leave it off during boot for safety's sake.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Ft-Premium-15-pin-VGA-to-4-BNC-RGB-Video-Adapter-Cable-/230924143687?hash=item35c426cc47

I'm going to get that and hope my 7870 will do 15kHz, otherwise I have an ATI 7100 that should do the trick.

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 No.3448

>>3444

I'd suggest getting a VGA->5BNC, as you're going to need to combine Horizontal and Vertical Sync in order for a PVM or other wise to sync properly.

You can hypothetically just get a T-connector and force the two together, but this is the dirty method and puts undue stress on your video card.

There are relatively circuits you can build, or cheap devices to do it for you.

I personally have a very basic Extron RGB Interface(109xi) for sync processing purposes. Cost <$10 on ebay.

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 No.3449

>>3448

http://media.extron.com/download/files/userman/68-410-01_RGB109xi_SUG_RevA.pdf

The setup guide for the 109xi mentions jumpers that set the polarity and width of the sync pulses. Would I want to go with the defaults, wide and positive, for both of those?

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 No.3450

>>3449

Defaults should be fine.

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 No.3610

File: 1439907983314.jpg (1.14 MB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 100_6453.JPG)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kb0qbNIMRc

So, apparently, removing termination on the XC-3730 is fucking magic for the Dreamcast.

Much brighter and clearer picture and the elimination of tons of video artifacts.

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 No.3784

File: 1441878524702.jpg (1.26 MB, 3280x2460, 4:3, 100_7061.JPG)

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 No.3849

I have a PVM. When it turns on, there is just a blue line on the center of the screen. Power LED does not come on even though tube "functions". Anything I can do to fix it? I have done some minor repairs to CRTs before so I don't need the safety lecture. I don't think it's a problem with the vertical line sync because it still randomly works when it feels like it, and I've seen that shit before and there's a bright white line instead of a softish blue one. Also my house hasn't caught on fir (but I'm not gonna risk it.)

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 No.3892

File: 1443181391763.webm (4.99 MB, 640x480, 4:3, A Final Fantasy IX Intro.webm)

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 No.3897

Hey, I'm looking at a PVM-20L2 and PVM-20M4U and was wondering which would be a better buy or if I should be looking at another model? I'm only looking to play 15khz consoles (NES Generation to N64 Generation) and preferably with thick scan lines.

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 No.3923

File: 1443833391161.jpeg (1.64 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, IMG_1728.jpeg)

My friend found a bunch of PC monitors in a dumpster, in particular this Vivitron, which is apparently a pretty high end piece of hardware (or was, at any rate) from Gateway. I mostly use a Wii w/Retroarch (the older version that can do 240p) for my emulation purposes but is there any way to do that sort of thing from a PC on a 31khz monitor without all this CRT emu driver stuff, or at least something that looks authentic (i.e. better than just using the scanline filters that all the emulators come with).

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 No.3948

I've got a PVM1343MD hooked up to VGA via an RGB interface.

The monitor is advertised as having a 900 line vertical resolution and I have been able to run it at 1024x768 via S-Video, but it only accepts 15khz RGB signals. I've always assumed that the S-Video and composite inputs on PVM's were converted to RGB internally and run through the same RGB controller. Is a separate controller with an inferior signal range used for RGB?

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 No.3950

>>3948

>advertised as having a 900 line vertical resolution

1343 has something in the area of 600 TVL (TV lines), not 900.

Also, that number refers to the monitor's ability to discretely resolve an image on a horizontal plane without losing any information. https://youtu.be/ffiR4E1id-8?t=6m46s

For NTSC, the vertical resolution (from top to bottom) you get 525 lines but only ~480 are actually used for displaying an image.

PAL in turn has 625 but only makes use of 576

The reason you've been able to do 1024x768 over S-Video is because the image is being scaled. The monitor is still displaying standard 480i

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 No.4016

File: 1444940505501.jpg (1.19 MB, 2039x1378, 2039:1378, vr kart.jpg)

I've got a craptacular Sylvania CRT television that's falling apart by the seams and enters a diagnostic mode whenever i press the volume button.

I have no intention of saving it, but i would love to play doctor with it, maybe salvage the raw parts to Frankenstein it into something else. What are some fun projects to do with a crt while you take it apart?

I heard you can use the raw tube and it's materials to make an arcade cab display. Is this true? How do I do it?

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 No.4017

File: 1444940896499.jpg (3.96 MB, 5472x3648, 3:2, DSC00773.JPG)

>>4016

>What are some fun projects to do with a crt while you take it apart?

Electrocution device.

>I heard you can use the raw tube and it's materials to make an arcade cab display. Is this true? How do I do it?

Depending on the chassis of the CRT, it is possible to set it up to accept RGB inputs from arcade board (or retro consoles), but fiddling around inside of a CRT without know what you're doing it potentially deadly.

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 No.4018

>>4017

Got any reading material, precautions and prayers for me before i decide to go under the knife? Ive already been told about discharging it.

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 No.4042

>>4018

Take an EE course. I don't want you dying fucking with a goddamn tube for entertainment purposes. At least, watch instructional videos and take proper safety precautions. Carelessness kills.

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 No.4209

File: 1447709772142.jpeg (2.84 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, image.jpeg)

Got another PVM this time, it's a 1344Q so not exactly big but it's better than the 8 incher I had. Although despite being 600 lines, it's not as sharp as I was expecting but oh well it's still great.

>VA6 HDG Genesis with 32X running Rocket Knight

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 No.4210

File: 1447712469355.jpeg (3.26 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, image.jpeg)

Got another PVM this time, it's a 1344Q so not exactly big but it's better than the 8 incher I had. Although despite being 600 lines, it's not as sharp as I was expecting but oh well it's still great.

>VA6 HDG Genesis with 32X running Rocket Knight

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 No.4211

>>4210

>>4209

Well shit.

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 No.4212

File: 1447845008394.jpg (1.18 MB, 1520x2688, 95:168, tmp_26860-IMG_20151118_110….jpg)

Where have I gone wrong?

Just got my scart to BNC with sync cleaner hooked up to my pvm 14m4e. All Scart consoles (50 or 60hz) are a jittery mess. Do I need to change a setting? Svideo seems to look fine

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 No.4213

>>4212

Okay i realised it was because i hadn't enabled exit sync…. im learning slowly

Now PS2 has no sync, i need at least 5v in pin 8 of my euroscart to power sync cleaner.

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 No.4214

File: 1447850031759.jpg (3.85 MB, 4408x3648, 29:24, DSC00617s.jpg)

>>4209

Noice

I need to get a decent cable for my Genesis; The cheap-o chinese SCART cable I have currently gives jailbars across the entire image, bet it blue red or otherwise.

That's not even getting into needing to add the resistors to it for it to look right.

The lines visible in this picture are just in the photo and not actually there on the CRT itself.

>>4213

M4's shouldn't have any need for sync cleaning, so at this point, all that sync cleaner is doing for you is interrupting a perfectly usable sync signal. That isn't to say it might not have an effect on picture quality with some setups, but still.

If you want to be able to use your PS2 while you deal with that problem, switch it into Component/YPbPr mode and change the monitor to Comp INT mode. That'll get around the need for the sync line for now.

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 No.4228

>>4212

>>4213

I also have sync issues with a dreamcast cable, it only works on the boot logo. Is there a setting i should be changing on the TV or are these cables shitty?

The PS2 will work fine on my xrgb mini but not on my PVM

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 No.4233

How are cheap-ass PC monitors for emulation? I'm moving my desktop PC to another country and I'm hoping to find one at a thrift shop or something. I haven't had one for around a decade and seeing these threads makes me really miss having one.

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 No.4279

File: 1450096957735.jpg (3.75 MB, 5472x3648, 3:2, DSC01815sa.JPG)

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 No.4280

So guys I just bought two Fw900 for $300.

Oh god this 16:10 setup will be good, downside, i dont get them till april, buddy lived 15 mins from the dude selling them and is holding on to them till i drive to a lan party.

2560x1600 Crt here I come.

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 No.4282

File: 1450264617090.jpg (3.31 MB, 5472x3648, 3:2, DSC01921.JPG)

>>4280

I'll just be sitting here with my 70khz limited 4:3 Sony, eternally jelly.

>>4233

>22 days later

As long as you can find something not stupidly bottom shelf and in relatively decent condition, I don't see where you'd have a problem.

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 No.4285

>>4282

see this fw900 also has a 4:3 mode similar to the 4:3 enhanced 16:9 like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQavZ7zv-6o

I want to see if I can get it to 240hz 240p or 480p, might have to get one of the diamondtrons.

https://www.hdfury.com/shop/gamer/hdfury-gamer-2-rgbhv/

also saw this, thoughts on using this to push the fw900's, i have a nvidia card with a ram dac and BNCS.

but im getting a fury x soon, and a 9590 to overclock and just bought a asus gen3 sabertooth with pci 3.0, then enthoo mini xl then that mini 2011-3 itx. Dont worry Ill have pics soon of the fw900.

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 No.4349

File: 1451333140628.jpg (3.89 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, SNES_RGB.JPG)

Regular Super Famicom with luma sync RGB going into a PVM-8044Q.

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 No.4356

>>4349

>Super Famicom with luma sync RGB

Why? There's pure CSYNC to be had from the SFC, no need to use luma.

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 No.4377

Any way to tell the difference between a CRT and just a shitty small TV? Have an old TV and don't know if it's CRT or not. I mean I could probably just google it and figure it out. Sorry for my retardation.

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 No.4379

>>4377

Is it reasonable heavy for it's size? 13'' CRTs (your average "small" CRT) can easily weigh 30+ pounds. If you could even find an LCD that small, I couldn't see it weighting more than a few pounds at most.

Is the face of the TV glass? Give it a firm knock; Did the screen break?

Yes? Either a shitty flatscreen, or riddled with pieces of glass from what must have been an absolute hulk smash of a knock.

No? CRT

Does it have that ghetto booty?

No- Trashy LCD

Yes- Delicious CRT

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 No.4381

File: 1451712612956.jpg (147.43 KB, 550x280, 55:28, contra-hard-corps.jpg)

>>4379

>glass face

>ghetto booty

This was why I originally thought it was a CRT, on top of the picture quality for SNES and PS1. I had a good guess based on the picture quality vs. a modern TV, but thanks for confirming my suspicions anon.

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 No.4392

File: 1451808639262.jpg (124.18 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Overscan.jpg)

I have an uninteresting story for you guys.

Some time ago, I purchased a Phillips 30PW8402 from a friend for $50, a 30'' CRT that can display 1080i. I figured this would be a good TV to use with my computer for emulators. Sadly, the overscan on this TV was horrendous, to the point where it went past the 10 mark on the first image.

I googled for the service manual, and it turns out some Phillips TV's have a hidden menu for repairmen to use. If you have a Phillips TV from around 2005-2006, press 0,6,2,5,9,6, [status]; and you should see it. The geometry options are still not sufficient to fix severe overscan issues, however.

So, I tried editing xorg.conf to compensate, but that was a huge waste of time. There's lots of outdated information online about how to do this. What ended up working, however, was manually providing the modeline used with the TV. cvt, gtf, and the various online calculators did not give usable modelines, so instead I used this chart. Don't try this recklessly, because giving a particularly bad modeline can damage your CRT; but sometimes this is the only way to get good picture quality,

Now that the TV is properly configured, the picture is actually very nice (ignore the bad camera quality). No prominent scanlines, but the colors are very vibrant, there's very little bleeding, no ghosting, etc. If you ever see one of these TV's for a cheap price, I'd suggest picking it up. But keep in mind getting a proper configuration will be a pain in the ass.

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 No.4393

File: 1451808693101.png (47.24 KB, 765x340, 9:4, How to fix modeline.png)

>>4392

Alright, I can only post one picture at a time

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 No.4394

File: 1451808708570.jpg (983.19 KB, 2048x1232, 128:77, Metroid.jpg)

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 No.4403

>>4214

>M4's shouldn't have any need for sync cleaning, so at this point, all that sync cleaner is doing for you is interrupting a perfectly usable sync signal. That isn't to say it might not have an effect on picture quality with some setups, but still.

What would a sync cleanup even do to the picture? This is the first time I've heard of it.

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 No.4404

>>4403

When I say sync cleaner, I mean stripper. Something like an lm1881.

Some displays/scalers/processors REQUIRE "clean" "raw" composite sync in order to work at all. Technically, some consoles can look a bit nicer when using c-sync(composite sync) rather than composite video for sync with the major one being the Genesis/Mega Drive.

Admittedly, said stripper can bring an existing composite sync signal that is slightly out of spec back into line, so it wouldn't be entirely useless.

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 No.4505

File: 1457793267912.jpg (17.8 KB, 500x358, 250:179, 1455538497311.jpg)

>like to get as many av hookups as I to keep options open

>want scart to component and component to scart simple adapter

>all the options are just the video of component to scart or vice versa, no equivalent of the composite rca set up but for component

is component too different? i thought rgb and component were the same but it looks like component isn't compatible the way composite is with scart

the only crt i have are some small one all with scart only inputs (except for a black and white tv with only rf)

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 No.4508

File: 1458178963650.jpg (3.58 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, 1458170600149.jpg)

Here's my Japanese Saturn running through s-video on an 8 inch PVM.

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 No.4509

>>4508

Looks fucking awesome m8

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 No.4510

File: 1458235220268.jpg (3.14 MB, 4032x3024, 4:3, UzyQXZw.jpg)

>>403

Pvms are the best thing since sliced bread and I love it.

Mine is 20", Olympus rebrand of Sony m2mdu20.

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 No.4516

Hey /vr/ what's a reasonably priced transcoder I can purchase?

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 No.4527

File: 1459243382478.jpg (6.92 MB, 5472x3648, 3:2, DSC02388.JPG)

>>4516

Really all depends on what you can find and what direction you're going in; RGB to Component, or vice versa.

Either way, if you can manage to find one of the Key Digital or Audio Authority's standalone transcoders(i.e one that doesn't do scaling or image processing) on ebay for a a decent price, they'd definitely be a good purchase.

Another thing that needs answer is are you looking for something working for low resolutions(SD) or do you need support for HD stuff as well?

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 No.4528

Do CRT PC monitors have a minimum resolution? I'm probably going to get one, and I'd be nice to play emulators at the console's original resolution.

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 No.4529

>>4528

Outside of rare "True Multisync" monitors, PC CRT's have a minimum sync frequency, which is 30Khz or so, i.e standard VGA 640x480.

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 No.4530

>>4529

>>4528

I should also note, there are ways around that, such as running it at double the refresh rate with black frames inserted between the normal 60 you would be dealing with; That'll bring the console's original 15khz sync up high enough for the monitor to support.

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 No.4540

File: 1460332831402.jpg (1.37 MB, 5311x1528, 5311:1528, rgb_mod_crt_.jpg)

How much better are production video monitors than a CRT with RGB input?

Pic-related: my setup for Saturn/Genesis. Toshiba 27" consumer unit.

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 No.4602

Hello Everyone,

While this TV is away in my closet, it's a very nice TV and I would more than love to have it fixed sometime.

I have an old Sony Trinitron from around 1986, it is in very good condition and mostly works. The only problem is that it has a color problem on the bottom-right of the screen. Blue turns to red, etc.

I did buy a degausser to fix this issue, and while it does fix the problem temporarily, the same problem only comes back after you leave the TV off for a day, or even a few hours. Do a need a more powerful degausser?

So, is there any way I can permanently fix this problem? If anyone could give me any useful information then that would be great. Thank you!

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 No.4606

File: 1465105149814.jpg (186.16 KB, 466x246, 233:123, RGBMonitorsPage02.jpg)

Is there a guide or something that i can reference to output 15khz analog RGB or NTSC using my videocard and Linux

I remember i got the info in 4ch/vr/ but that was a couple years ago, and successfully switched the output to a CRT TV compatible signal, but i long since lost the info.

IIRC i used the xrandr command and then gave some parameters for the signal , ending with whether i wanted V , H or C sync.

The purpose of this is because i want to buy the adapter in this link at the bottom of the post, which is basically a 15khz RGB to S video converter. So that i can be able to output straight from the computer to any CRT TV.

The reason i chose this method is because it's apparently the cheapest one available, because i tried unsuccessfully to locate a CRT with RGB inputs (that did not cost an arm ) in my country and other methods require extra peripherals for example the ArcadeVGA 5000 card or the Jrok RGB

The only peripheral i need with this method is the RGB to S video adapter and a cheap DVI-I to VGA adapter only in case the videocard i use doesn't have a VGA port (so that i can connect to the video adapter via a regular DB 15 VGA cable)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121646885768?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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 No.4610

>>4602

Wish I could help, but a shout out to a fellow Sony Trinitron user. I have one from about 92-9 I think. . Love it.

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 No.4615

I have just bought a Sony pvm 20m4u and I'm having issues with it, When I first torned the thing on, without anything connected, I saw a gray image with and could open the menu and browse on it, no problem, however, after turning it off a few times, it just refused to give me any image at all, regardless of the video input chosen. I decided to leave the tv alone for a while and when I powered it on again after some a few hours it tryed to give me an image(it was all red, and wavy, but I only had the green cable of the component cable connected and I could've been using the wrong input), and after I powered it off again, it refused to give me any image again. Any ideas on what could be causing this? A friend from work that knows some electronics said it could be some busted capacitors.

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 No.4666

File: 7605f503b6bc9c9⋯.png (358.89 KB, 528x800, 33:50, 1458779860541.png)

I'm planning on buying a PVM soon but I'm not sure which model to get(some don't have RGB or so I've heard.) and while some said the 8 incher I was looking a was fine others say that I'd immediately want a bigger screen.

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 No.4668

>>4666

8inchers can make nice bench monitors for testing, but they really are rather tiny and a bit too small to comfortably play certain types of games. Yeah, you get the same raster as a whole, but theres like a minimum screen size for your eyes to actually process it right.

Or at least that's how I see it.

I'd also like to say that if you're planning on playing on an 8" model to make sure you get on with a higher TVL(like the 8044 or something; 450TVL). The 42 and 40 have a 250TVL tube and while they're still technically usable, you'd be honestly be better off just grabbing a larger consumer model and just dealing with the lack of RGB(assuming US/non-SCART regions)

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 No.4670

>>4668

Thanks for the info man. Although I think I might wait for any deals on 13/14/20 inchers for a while before giving up and getting a consumer CRT. I've been using an old magnavox with the only option being composite for a very long time so when I got the chance to throw it out I decided to get myself a nice upgrade.

At the end of the day I guess it's RGB vs screen size which is something I'll have to work out.

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 No.4678

Can someone suggest me a CRT to buy. I'm looking to start gaming on one.

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 No.4704

>>4678

Very happy with my PVM 20m2mdu. Not too expensive for a quality display either, if you look around. Try medical equipment services instead of ebay.

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 No.4714

File: 262cbf588049f08⋯.jpg (94.08 KB, 720x960, 3:4, ZenithConciergeSeries-Oct-….jpg)

I love my Zenith Concierge.

Unlike older Zenith models, it has excellent blacks and rich colors.

The darker picture has the new stand for it.

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 No.4715

File: c529007dc7d6023⋯.jpg (95.22 KB, 720x960, 3:4, conciergeandstand.jpg)

>>4714

and the stand

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 No.4733

File: 49de070ce95c166⋯.jpg (2.45 MB, 2128x1424, 133:89, _DSC1790.JPG)

Same anon as >>4508

Only difference is the monitor which is a PVM-1344Q and the Saturn is outputting RGB this time.

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 No.5115

Just fixing that e0001 error shit, don't mind me.

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 No.5117

File: 980f7fd6cd9d887⋯.jpg (3.54 MB, 4160x3120, 4:3, Battlestation (10).jpg)

>>403

I have a question. Today I found a CRT on the side of the road near where I live. I was still working, but it was big and heavy and I don't know if I have any room for it. Should I still get it anyway? Pic related isn't mine.

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 No.5118

>>5117

Go for it. Worst case you'll just throw it back out.

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 No.5180

File: 76c1d564d2d0976⋯.jpg (3.59 MB, 7744x1856, 121:29, IMG_20161007_183126.jpg)

>>5117

Ayyyyy

Keep an eye out, PVM is top tier, but honestly that little Toshiba I have still does a damn good job.

Do note, that my model doesnt support 480p, only 480i.

But it does have S-Video and Component.

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 No.5181

>>5118

>>5180

I went to look at it the other day. It's too damaged by rainwater to be useful, and we had a storm come by a few days ago, so it's probably busted now.

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 No.5212

>>1249

does SK even look good ?

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 No.5213

>>5212

Not them, but I played some SK on the Wii U on my Megaview and it looked pretty damn good.

What I really want to do is get crt_emudriver going so I can see if I can't get it running in 240p.

The game's "native" resolution is just a widened version of the NES's, so it shouldn't be TOO difficult, right?

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 No.5233

>>5213

>crt_emudriver

Does your monitor work out of the box with rgb?

That would make things a hundred times easier

I am in the process of modding a regular crt tv and hopefully make it take direct rgb from a PC

Will update in a couple weeks with the results of my redneck science experiments

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 No.5236

>>5233

The monitor I'm going to be debugging and getting it up and running on is a Mitsubishi Megaview, so yes. RGB native, and (true) multisync to boot; 15khz up to 85khz sync. One test I want to do is to see if medium resolution stuff works, but that'll come later on.

And careful with RGB modding TVs; I actually fried the final stage amplifier for my Samsung GXTV in probing around inside of it to get ready for modding experiments.

And of course the obvious stuff to avoid getting zapped.

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 No.5237

File: 9aa99ff5f00991d⋯.webm (Spoiler Image, 2.34 MB, 632x360, 79:45, Crt threads on neo v.webm)

>>5236

Did you short circuit something?

I'll just hotplug into the RGB signals that are feed to the final amplifier, it seems that the worst that can happen is getting a very dim picture and i will have to do some amplifying or corrections.

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 No.5239

File: 3f6549e3477a46c⋯.png (167.14 KB, 475x357, 475:357, 3f6549e3477a46c9857cf7b547….png)

>>5237

Jesus Christ spoiler that shit.

You're totally right though.

>>5236

That blows man. I'd kill to have an RGB monitor right now. I bought a PVM a long time ago from South FL but it came defective and now it's completely fucked.

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 No.5240

>>5237

Presumably. As far as I've managed to deduce, probing around between the pins to try to get green back(something that went out right when I started working on it) bridged either two of the channels together or just straight up grounded them out, leaving me with a straight bright screen with retrace lines.

That said, it's a lot more difficult to get an RGB mod working by going directly to the final amp. You're better off feeding them into the jungle IC of the TV if possible.

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 No.5323

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

My Amiga setup

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 No.5324

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Ruff 'n Tumble. A great shooter

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 No.5327

File: 04cbeb27e485ae8⋯.jpg (1.34 MB, 4096x2304, 16:9, P_20161027_004858.jpg)

File: cdce382f0ab50dd⋯.jpg (734.62 KB, 2048x1536, 4:3, P_20161017_085911_LL.jpg)

File: 7c904e9a5fe8eb7⋯.jpg (1.63 MB, 2304x4096, 9:16, P_20160928_210014.jpg)

File: 99e7b7be74ce4f2⋯.jpg (3.36 MB, 4096x2304, 16:9, P_20160928_205904.jpg)

File: 0daeeb416d2f317⋯.jpg (1.5 MB, 4096x3072, 4:3, P_20160906_004040.jpg)

long live CRT.

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 No.5332

>>5327

That tower of power, god damn.

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 No.5333

File: 6d014ddf29fa4b1⋯.jpg (4.02 MB, 4656x3492, 4:3, tmp_1511-P_20161119_171019….jpg)

File: ed85fd861c8377a⋯.jpg (5.23 MB, 4656x3492, 4:3, tmp_1511-P_20161119_172040….jpg)

>>5332

I got another ikegami and have another panasonic on its way. There will be more crts. Not retro but a 480p game running on it is something to behold

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 No.5334

File: 018fcaede01565c⋯.jpg (10.39 MB, 5472x3648, 3:2, DSC01499.JPG)

>>5333

Lordy.

I want to get more CRTs, but I never seem to see any at what I'd consider a decent price online anymore.

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 No.5335

>>5334

What are you running that on? My next goal is to get an hd pro monitor for 7th gen &wii u.

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 No.5350

>>5327

sauce on the poster on the upper right corner of the first pic

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 No.5352

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 No.5353

>>5352

thank you!

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 No.5472

File: fcae146b5b222a0⋯.gif (741.16 KB, 316x200, 79:50, 200.gif)

>>403

>tfw can only afford consumer grade CRTs, PVMs way out of affordable range.

A-at least I have a WEGA

>>3380

Do NOT connect JP21 to SCART. Be very careful with that.

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 No.5515

File: 44653120f4ae694⋯.jpg (2.76 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, 1464070980262.jpg)

RGB PSX on an 8inch PVM.

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 No.5580

My ctr is fucked up in the corner. ;_;

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 No.5624

File: 34e6ee65ed3e56d⋯.jpg (2.82 MB, 4000x3000, 4:3, jvc_tv.jpg)

I don't know shit about crts. But all I got is this fucking thing.

http://archive.is/ExW4U

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 No.5669

File: 4fb59fab1476e33⋯.jpg (1.88 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, IMG_3570[1].jpg)

i have a sony bvm 20f1u and a sony pvm 20l2md

feels pretty fucking good man

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 No.5701

>>5624

that aint no CRT,

its a rear-projection tv

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 No.5703

>>5669

Tops. How did you score the bvm?

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 No.6011

>>5701

I'm guessing it's garbage too. Those tv's were only good for the sheer screen size you could get.

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 No.6024

>>6011

Truth, we had one of these in 2006 because my mom wanted to get a fancy new HDTV. It was no plasma but we weren't paying plasma money, we were paying 'fuck you big TV' money.

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 No.6029

>>6024

Those were blurry as hell. They were labelled "HD ready", just for having an HDMI port. Which on mine broke off, and fucking composite looks about the same quality so noone noticed.

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 No.6178

File: d06e8c9f4522a11⋯.jpg (1.85 MB, 2256x2520, 94:105, IMG_1440.JPG)

File: d9e2914e1e10423⋯.jpg (1.24 MB, 3031x2168, 3031:2168, IMG_1439.JPG)

I'm using this for a couple of months now. I like it a lot. S-video is the best it can do, but I'm OK with that. I grew up on RF and composite, so for me it's a great upgrade.

On a side note, does anyone know of a good S-video mechanical switcher or a good DIY guide? I need like 12 inputs or so and the ones I've seen online are a little bit above what I'm willing to pay for and does not have enough inputs.

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 No.6187

File: dedb10da62aa0ff⋯.jpg (3.04 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, 1465330539759.jpg)

Model 1 Japanese Saturn running through my 8044Q with RGB.

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 No.6337

I'm honestly having a panic attack here bros. I'm not even full CRT autist but I use them relatively frequently. They aren't making CRTS anymore, and people are so quick to offload those "shitty box tvs" at every (((recycling))) event.

I drove by one, didn't know it was happening. Parking lots full of them, ready to be destroyed. I can't stop it and I don't know what to do.

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 No.6344

>>6337

Start hoarding them.

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 No.6689

File: 4a34bafe93e21c3⋯.png (458.11 KB, 2536x1095, 2536:1095, cjpgnd.png)

Rate my OC

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 No.6694

File: 3c175ffe9ec6dab⋯.png (432.2 KB, 2608x1092, 652:273, cjpgnd.png)

>>6689

New and improved

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 No.6701

>>6694

naisu naisu! very naisu ceasar chan!

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 No.6784

>>6187

>RGB

rgb keeps being touted up as the pinnacle of retro image clarity but didn't many games in the snes-ps1 era use dithering in conjunction with encoding blur to shade/texture or simulate transperancy?

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 No.6911

File: 55361c757187d84⋯.jpg (2.88 MB, 3480x4640, 3:4, Thicc boi.jpg)

File: 3263433d79f4aa6⋯.jpg (6.06 MB, 3480x4640, 3:4, Dirty boi.jpg)

Whenever I try to plug in my Dell D1226H I get this. My other older CRT monitors work fine so I don't know if it's because the cable is dirty or something else.

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 No.6926

>>6911

Nevermind, turned it off and on again and it worked.

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 No.7073

File: 1f7c738ce4df4c1⋯.png (60.54 KB, 641x480, 641:480, 9576057396873969834y89489.png)

>>421

Many games used dithering to simulate transparency, increase perceived colours and add pseudo textures. Isn't all this lost on rgb monitors?

"Consumer grade" crts are cheaper, bigger and give you the option for rgb anyway. I don't get the fascination with this

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 No.7477

The best part of CRT is being able to use light guns.

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 No.7668

File: ed3bacd03656ad7⋯.jpg (3.15 MB, 3504x4672, 3:4, 1549155542520176559699.jpg)

Okay so did more work on this and more yet needs to be done (pretty sure I need to replace the PPU2 and a few probably troublesome capacitors now but I can't get at those without better tools), only thing that bugs me is that I don't know how to turn off the green text at the top-right of the TV what says what input it's displaying atm. Does anyone know how to turn that off without a remote or do I have to specifically source that from somewhere?

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 No.7677

File: 085926b18629901⋯.jpg (21.76 KB, 360x409, 360:409, a.jpg)

What is the baby's first CRT? I don't want to spend enthusiast level dough here, just want a decent screen with an electron gun.

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 No.7678

>>7677

Usually Computer CRT monitors are cheap/free on Craigslist and have pretty decent image quality. They usually have an 85hz refresh rate and that might fuck up your lightgun.

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 No.7680

File: baba5a1be4942bb⋯.jpg (736.58 KB, 1275x552, 425:184, 1548747714088.jpg)

>>7073

That's exactly why I stick to composite. I just wish the Sega Genesis didn't have such a crappy composite connection.

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 No.8019

> work at a (((recycling))) company

> watch very good CRTs every day get destroyed

> sees a 29" CRT VGA monitor in very good shape

> scared to be seen as a hoarder

> to shy to ask the boss if I can keep it

> the monitor gets tossed in a container and is destroyed for parts

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 No.8023

>>8019

Why would you be scared of being seen as a hoarder? obviously you have not asked for anything else beforehand, so, I don't see the problem if its only that one time, and the monitor/tv is worth it,It'll do you goof though knowing if they'll ever allow employees to take shit for themselves before you start dreaming about the next CRT that passes by, maybe offer a couple dollars, if the company pays for kg of electronics trash, or say it's for your grandma if you are autistic and don't want them to know you are into old shit, take it from an actual electronics hoarder (nothing of value just appliances boards) who would dread destroying all that stuff, and adopt the next shining and capable CRT that drops by, give it a good home.

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 No.8027

File: fec0a9c54b57e64⋯.jpg (40.53 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, leon.jpg)

>>8019

You work at a recycling company and you don't take things that catch your eye? What a waste.

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