b8c892 No.16944778
when did you realize you'll never make it in the gaming industry and your artwork sucks monkey cock?
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3d33ad No.16944789
You don't because, you then realize, Cal Arts style cartoons are all the rage now (low effort garbage) and that, if even Might No. 9's original art was going to be the abomination that it was had there not been sufficient backlash, you realize, you art isn't so bad.
Anyhow, if that pic. related is yours I'd say, even if you're going for the "somewhat a cartoon" vibe, you should still focus on your anatomy. There's just something jarrying how the hair, eyes, and body work together. I also questio if you should shade underneath the right (her left) arpit since, if the light is coming from above, it would be blocked by her breasts.
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20b5cb No.16944822
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>implying stylized art doesn't exist
Coincidence that there's a new game coming out that looks like you drew it, or vice versa. You just have a different expectation for your art, anon. It doesn't mean it's bad, as long as you use it right.
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3bd39f No.16944823
You can make it even if you draw the most hideous tumblr shit and your walking simulator requires a supercomputer to run at 60fps, you just need to know how to sell it and make it appealing to a certain audience.
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380736 No.16944825
If you're unconfident in your art take the advice of an industry professional
Trace/clone while making deliberate efforts to actually learn from professionals you like the style of
And don't post it as your own anywhere >ThE ArT CoMmUnItY will have a tard anyeurism over non demonstrative practice works
Also work on drawing tits.
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6b7602 No.16944828
>>16944825
>Also work on drawing tits
yes, tits sell
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11fab2 No.16944843
>>16944825
I'm also a professional industry artist. This anon is right. I'll also add if you're having issues with perspective consider either blocking out your idea in a 3d program or getting an existing pose model and tracing over screenshots of either. Trust me whilst it is cheating it gets the job done and its perfectly reasonable and legal to do it as long as its either your own work or royalty free models you have a license for (make human for example is free you can then pose it using mixamo).
I will say though animating is and always will be a bitch. I get it though its easy to get discouraged because of how absolutely fucked the industry is right now but don't worry because its as equally fucked as every other industry right now thanks to coronachan. Keep going.
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f462bc No.16944849
>>16944828
Not as well as drawing rainbow colored anthropomorphic animals fucking eachother does though unfortunately.
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3e9f3f No.16944850
>>16944825
>>16944843
I have an old friend who is a professional and somewhat famous 2d artist in a certain niche since the mid 2000s (he also draws video game characters but never worked on video games, he's on DeviantArt and makes a living mostly of drawing comissions plus occasional contract industry work).
Since we used to live in the same city, I've been to his house a few times and watched him working. Every published art he draws is traced. All of it, literally everything since his early days. We talked a lot about it, he doesn't consider it cheating since the entire industry does it (or the equivalent of tracing in other fields).
Funny thing, he is able to draw characters and poses without any tracing that in my layman's opinion (I can't draw or animate anything better than crude stick figures) are perfectly fine and as good as any of his other works, but for his standards his non-traced art is always shit and not even worthy of publishing in a gallery.
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380736 No.16944851
>>16944850
The concept that "tracing is cheating" is a lie from amateur artists to try and keep their field noncompetitive, the reality is that all art is inherently drawn from reference, and while yes there is something to say about wholesale tracing something and trying to pass it off as your own without actually learning anything. It's a rejection of the nature of utilization of poses and reference where all art is derived from, and literally anyone worth a shit could tell you is mandatory for actually learning.
"Drawing without reference" is just Drawing with references in your head, and anyone trying to claim otherwise is a dumb motherfucker.
It's like trying to hammer a nail with your bare hand, we have hammers for a reason.
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000000 No.16944855
>>16944851
>Defending tracing
wew
Hope you don't get caught son
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bb0084 No.16944857
> when did you realize you wouldn't make it in the gaming industry
Never. I probably stil could make or into the gaming industry without even changing my major.
Instead, I got serious about my career and realized that the games industry is simultaneously the worst paying, worst treated, and most demanding programming job there is. Literally any other industry is a better place for a computer engineer. If I ever want to make games that bad I can do it on the side, once I have a $100,000 salary in a place I want to live instead of scraping by in the Californian hellscape on $20,000 a year.
My art does suck monkey dick, though.
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fb2282 No.16944906
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>>16944851
> "Drawing without reference" is just Drawing with references in your head, and anyone trying to claim otherwise is a dumb motherfucker.
> It's like trying to hammer a nail with your bare hand, we have hammers for a reason.
Surely this fine bloke is referencing a hammer in his head as he smashes this nail.
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93e560 No.16944928
>>16944851
>>16944825
hi andrew dobson/tom preston/cattyN.
yeah, its you.
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93e560 No.16944929
>>16944928
whoops forgot one.
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17c067 No.16944930
>>16944855
If you knew anything about the history of art, you'd know that virtually all of the old masters were imitating someone from the past, especially at the beginning of their career.
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d00365 No.16944931
>>16944930
Imitating/copying is not tracing.
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380736 No.16944932
>>16944928
Except dobson decided he knew everything he needed to know from his degree, refused to continue study, stagnated and progressively got worse at art, and much like him you're leaving yourself in the trappings that tracing is to be done in substitute of learning, when you should learn from it and incorporate what you learned from it into your skillset.
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17a7f0 No.16944933
>>16944928
Is he still alive?
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93e560 No.16944938
>>16944932
learn2anatomy. you lazy cunt, and if never not gud enough, compensate by being damn good at drawing landscapes, a bowl of fruit, or machinery.
and stop drawing that cynical blue bear and those alex ze pirate comics you unfunny inflation/lesbo fetishist.
>>16944933
alive, kicking, and still bashing trump as usual.
he finally flounced his DA account though, after trolls concerned internet people pointed him at the fact he will be a balding, fat, undisciplined failure whos progressively getting worser at drawing for the rest of his life one too many times.
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93e560 No.16944939
>>16944933
he also apparently somehow landed a job at a major arts institute a few years ago. learning whole new generations of inspiring young artists to be lazy cockwanks. so, if you wonder whos to blame for the shitty cal-arts potato style cartoons everywhere. dobbo is one of the cancers who spreaded that shit.
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380736 No.16944940
>>16944938
>>16944939
>Double replying, and unable to actually contest what I was saying you continue to accuse me of being dobson
I'm sure fleischer was a hack too, wasn't he?
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000000 No.16944942
>If I trace it it's mine
Literally a nigger
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17a7f0 No.16944943
>>16944939
>he also apparently somehow landed a job at a major arts institute a few years ago
How?
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380736 No.16944944
>>16944942
rotoscopy go brrrrrr
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000000 No.16944945
>>16944944
>Trying to defend his action of tracing other people's work to rotoscoping
You must be trolling, no one is this retarded
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380736 No.16944946
>>16944945
>implying you can meaningfully separate the two
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17a7f0 No.16944948
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For the record, and just in case anyone is genuinely interested in knowing, tracing is a technique that's very old and was first used with glass panels. The purpose of it was to quickly create many copies of a single work with or without variations.
Today, it is used widely in the art industry, especially in conjunction with 3d modelling, again, for the purpose of being able to create art pieces as fast as possible. Very, very few artists today use live models to pose for their works.
Embed related.
You be the judge.
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11fab2 No.16944949
>>16944945
> tracing other people's work
you're the retarded one considering everyone is saying NOT to do that. We're saying if you take something that you can legally use as a reference then trace it as it will help get all the proportions correct without even trying.
Its only for blocking in you still need to actually draw the shit you're trying to make.
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05548c No.16944950
>There just HAPPENS to be "artists" who are defending tracing posting at the same time in this dead board
What a cohencidence
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05548c No.16944951
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>oy vey don't you know everyone just traces other people's work?
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48377e No.16944961
Since we are talking about tracing:
What is the best program to use for tracing? I've actually been wanting to trace art for a while now in order to quickly generate assets to use in development, but not knowing where to start on the software side of things is bothering me.
Pics slightly related. Greg Land, is a comic-book illustrator infamous for his obsession with tracing things, especially porn.
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037e8e No.16944964
>>16944961
if you want to work with vectors and splines, Adobe Illustrator
if you have a tablet and just want to do it by hand, photoshop or krita
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17a7f0 No.16944975
>>16944961
If you're an artist drawing for fun or some minor work, I don't recommend it. It'll become a crutch and will begin to severely limit you over time.
Paint tool SAI has a dedicated layer for vectors and can open photoshop files.
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fda889 No.16944990
>>16944961
>oh no, they have similar pose
>it's tracing, blatant copy, no two humans can have similar poses for a photo
I hate retards like you. Reference is not tracing, tracing definition is in the fucking name, fucking retard.
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20b5cb No.16945000
>>16944975
Is there a pirated version anywhere? I would pay for it if it wasn't subscriber kike bullshit. Great program, just would prefer doing a one time payment, but now I don't want to pay at all.
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93e560 No.16945016
>>16944990
>room temperature IQ, low-energy imbecile comment written by a halfwit with the observatory capacity of an blind mole, coupled with the attention span of anseverely brainstricken down-syndrome infant.
check the arab sojourn chick: thats not just a similar pose. its an exact trace right down to the fingers position placed on her knee, observe the armband on her right arm, her cleavage, the fold in her armpit of her left arm, and its placement. even if its a mere coincidence greg could have chosen to draw it at a slightly different angle but that would require actual talent from this hack
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946a8a No.16945055
I've seen some ridiculously terrible art make it into games.
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11fab2 No.16945057
>>16945016
you're right actually the example shown is the bad kind of tracing as the pose and the composition were wholesale stolen without legal rights to use it. If you are going to trace it has to be work that you own or have free right to trace.
By the way if you think that 3d art can't also be created the same way you're wrong, most sculpts in AAA games are nearly always done with modular base meshes they are rarely modelled from scratch. Of course if the AAA studio were rich enough they'd just scan shit which is even more lazy as all you're doing then is a standard retopo.
When you realise how games are made now it really makes you appreciate the artistry of older games. Sadly most of that knowledge is lost to us because the industry and the market demands cheap and fast shit. If you want to have a career you get forced into working this way.
I've seen illustrators do it the old fashioned way and its insane to see how they work. But I could easily match their quality by 3d modelling first and then tracing my model and get it done much faster. That said its gonna show in my technique that I haven't the single fucking clue how to refine the art. My strongest point is texturing and I've been taught by concept art training that combining texturing methods and photo manip makes it also stupidly easy to do again because no one draws shit anymore they just fake it. It'll be even worse when AI starts taking over.
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c952cc No.16945059
>>16945057
>its gonna show in my technique that I haven't the single fucking clue how to refine the art
And this is why the art in current vidya is fucked. But that's just the way it is now. Things always change.
There's no substitute for the skilled human hand and deliberate intent, despite what the industry would have you believe.
>>16945000
I'm sure there's a torrent somewhere around, look harder. It's a legitimate technique, but you really, really shouldn't do it, for your own sake.
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9672f3 No.16945064
>>16944961
>left out the ass on #4
despicable
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5c8300 No.16945065
>>16944778
I don't want to make it big, I just want to make the game I dream about.
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20b5cb No.16945119
>>16945059
https://torrentz2.is/b6c84195a84895109a0e0c0e5f40280c4967990e
aye found it, thanks for the inspiration niggy, I don't know what you mean by technique, I just wanna draw for god sake
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f68bb6 No.16945175
>>16944778
>how to draw/how to render by scott robertson
>anatomy book of your choice
>bridgeman, loomis, hogarth, hampton are all fine. scott eaton is good if you like videos
>graphic la
>do a MINIMUM 1 hr of life drawing every day
>even just drawing things you find lying around your kitchen is fine, it can be helpful to use another artist as reference for technique/style while you do this, eventually work up the confidence to attend figure drawing sessions
if your goal is an anime style:
>study graphic design. no, do it
>once you've finished a realistic study, draw the pose again using model sheets
>https://e-hentai.org/?f_search=settei
>this same idea can be applied to machines/backgrounds etc…
>>16944948
cheating isn't a substitute for fundies and it becomes obvious very quickly when someone does not have actual drawing & design skills. once you are a skilled artist, it becomes a valuable shortcut for shitting out images very quickly but until that point you are just robbing yourself of progression. at least half of the reason every game looks like shit now is because of brainlets following this meme advice, the other half is nepotism. if you want to survive the cultural revolution and not get overlooked on the basis of having the incorrect pronouns/genitals/skin color, you need to become a superior artist.
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20b5cb No.16947585
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b2e150 No.16947593
>>16944778
I'm been a self taught drawfag for most of my life and i gave up on drawing cause it's boring waste of time. Also the only avenue of income you can get out of it once you realize you're not game design material is to draw lewds like a prostitute.
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85d1df No.16947601
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b2e150 No.16947617
>>16945175
Not OP but i wanna get better at drawing characters myself but i don't know at what level i currently am. How can i know if i'm really shit or actually progressing?
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94c9f6 No.16947623
>>16944778
>Concerned about your lazy shit artstyle
<Not because you have to cater all the narcissistic pedophiles at twitter.
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