/v/ - Video Games

>>16931913

Asscreed should be abolished already, it's a shadow of its former self, and its former self wasn't even that great to begin with. Who even plays these games anymore? Who are these games even for?

What happened to the previous thread?

What the fuck is there to talk about? They released a trailer for a film. Could be a fucking RTS for all I know.

>dude, Vikings were actually the good guys. Did you know they were feminists?

I hope it's not as grindy as the later Assassin's Creed games. Necessary side quests to meet a certain level requirement to progress is just plain bad game design. Would be cool to have a Thorfinn DLC character from Vinland Saga that you can play as but I don't think they'll do it.

Seems Paul Tassi was triggered that they had the audacity to have a male protagonist in this game and the toxicity of the stream with sexism and Last of Us 2 spoilers.

http://archive.is/SG3Ev

What asscreed games were even good? Any of them? And I mean not just mildy entertaining but top tier, people should have to play it to call themselves a True Gamer™ type of games. The only person I knew IRL who admitted to playing asscreed also claimed Sonic 06 was his favorite video game unironically, so I have to wonder if asscreed weren't just bad games people somehow convinced themselves were good.

>>16931978

The fuck?

>>16931987

>And I mean not just mildy entertaining but top tier, people should have to play it to call themselves a True Gamer™ type of games

None of them are that good, they are just mildly entertaining. You play them for one of three reasons:

1. to see how the series has evolved and make your own opinions on whether it is good or bad, and not just parrot the opinions of some anon on an imageboard(personally I think AssCreed 3 is underrated);

2. if you like the setting(Renaissance Rome, American Colonies, Paris during the Revolution) and fuck around in it, to climb on all the buildings and explore;

3. You have bad tastes and want to see how the story continues, because you like it

I don't trust Ubosoft to do anything but slander and denigrate any culture and history of peoples of fair complexion.

>>16932000

>pre_roman_nordic_architecture

>this entire fucking post

Okay first of all the Vikings appeared fucking CENTURIES after the Roman empire collapsed, they were a Medieval society.

Secondly those huts were mostly for temporary coastal settlements as Vikings often moved through their lives. Major Viking cities like Dublin (Yes, Dublin, Ireland. The Vikings controlled it for awhile) looked how you'd expect Medieval settlements to look.

Thirdly, not everywhere was the City of Rome, even the vast majority of the Roman empire wasn't marble statues and giant coliseums. You went out to small communities in rural Rome and you'd see similar huts and structures.

Stop getting your knowledge of history from /pol/ and /int/ holy fuck. What you're doing is like comparing 16th-century London to modern-day redneck trailer parks.

>>16932007

Celts were incredibly advanced when it comes to technology. They invented the mail armor and thureos shield (similar to the one you posted, but most of them were made of wood), which have started to become popular after the Galatian tribe at the beginning of the fourth century BC has cut its way through Greece and established themselves in Anatolia, remaining a tribe of feared raiders and respected mercenaries for a few hundred years. Their swords, armors and shields were quickly adopted by Greeks, Macedonians, Seleucids and Pontics. I don't recall anyone saying that the Romans have had superior metalworking or technology by themselves - maybe except the imperial period; by that time they have appropriated everything they could use from the surrounding peoples. The greatest strength of the Roman people were their adaptability and willingness to learn. Their architecture was heavily inspired by the Greeks, but let's not forget that the Romans have ingeniously developed an excellent sewer system, a system of aqueducts that could deliver fresh water directly to people's homes and highways that were a primary means of communication as long as early modern period.

>>16932032

He really let himself go, hasn't he.

>>16931987

I liked the first one because it was really inovative for its time and I was a huge prince of Persia fan, I just enjoyed the setting and the fluid animations so much that it didn't bother me the repetitive gameplay. The next one I really enjoyed was unity partly because I got a new gpu and the graphics were fuckin tremendous , also the setting was really cool and I enjoyed taking it in without a HUD just playing slow and taking my time to larp as a French revolution assassin. Definitely quenched my turbo autism.

>>16932032

Does this guy ever stop whining?

>muh slavery :^(

>>16932032

>>16932053

For such a hateful guy that murdered his friend and intentionally destroyed parts of his own heritage, he sure is strangely butthurt about everything. You'd expect him not to bitch and moan constantly like he does.

It's weird for a convicted murderer and arsonist to have such thin skin about everything.

>>16931987

Ass 2 and brotherhood were pretty fun, i mostly remember the "dungeons" i'd play again just for those.

>>16931954

Better yet they should just make an Asscreed game where you can make your own character. It's not like their protagonists are memorable aside from Ezio. Most of them are bland and dull. Hell they've pretty much abandoned the aspect of assassinating people in the game, and instead replaced it with basic RPG combat where you can use different weapons.

If they had wanted to portray the Norse as people that were not necessarily bloodthirsty, rapacious pillagers, they easiest and most realistic means to do so would have been to showcase that not all fucking Norse were Vikings. Instead, we get

>don't hurt muh women and children, when Vikings would have killed, raped, or at least enslaved them as thralls.

>muh martial honor when viking "strategy" was focused about getting ashore, looting everything that wasn't nailed down, and then fucking off again before anyone that could actually fight back might arrive

>muh shield maidens/ women warriors when the shield maidens of legends invariably met unpleasant ends for stepping out of their station.

Fuck's sake, we could have something cool like a Norsemen who goes to Eastern Rome in order to apply as a Varangian Guard, but becomes an assassin instead.

>>16931913

> AC Valhallah meme thread

I hope this one won't get deleted.

>>16931978

RDR2 was such a letdown.

>>16932039

>a system of aqueducts

They also invented lead poisoning. KEK

Bring back Prince of Persia. This shit is whack. Why do people keep buying this series?

>>16932140

No real evidence for that.

where the hell are they even trying to go with the modern day story, really?

>>16932160

evil ayys fighting evil Illuminati for brainwashing ayy tech.

>>16932160

Is the protagonist still the lesbian mary sue from Origins and Odyssey?

>>16932171

no idea..i just want some god damn direction with the story

>>16932195

It lost all sense after the first game. That this "assassin" group is global and multicultural is retarded to begin with. Problem was, they developed better gameplay along the way, while AC1 was just shit. Maybe they should just revisit the Crusades/Altair and bring back all the technical ideas they've learned. Reset the franchise, if you will.

Or just make Prince of Persia games again. That'd be better.

>>16931913

>Muh ASS-ASS-ins

>Still won't fucking set it in mother fucking Japan where you can have 5 different flavours of a spy-killer-assassin-stealthfag every corner you search

>NAH BRO, VIKANGZ AN SHIIIIEEEET

>Game is basically Ubisoft copying Creative Assembly's PS3 God of War clone

>It even had stealth sections

Fuck's sake this is beyond ridiculous still funny

>>16932142

>>16932236

>Bring back Prince of Persia.

Shut up you moron. Stop giving them ideas for what to assrape next. We're extremely lucky Ubishit decided to make this franchise after the PoP people left after 3(or AssCreed Brotherhood, I forget).

>>16932236

>Or just make Prince of Persia games again. That'd be better.

Thankfully Forgotten Sands flopped(or did not do as well as expected) means that Ubisoft will wait at least 5-10 more years, before raping the franchise, enjoy it while you still can.

>That this "assassin" group is global and multicultural is retarded to begin with

Well, they kinda had to do this stuff if they wanted their Assassin's Creed franchise into other parts of the world(and time), besides the Crusades. You couldn't play as another group, and still call it Assassin's Creed. Them being liberal social justice warriors, while the Templars being the evil Trump racists, was just the bad writing from the team. At least in 3, they kinda tried to make the Templars more sympathetic, but the damage was already done.

>>16932002

>story

not relevant since III

>>16932236

They probably should have just made Black Flag it's own franchise, and released one of those every few years instead.

Then you'd have your Assassin games, and your naval combat based games separate.

>>16932272

>It was deleted when it was shown to be just a pure advertisement thread.

Every thread about a video game that you don't like is an advertisement thread?

>>16932278

>They probably should have just made Black Flag it's own franchise

that's skull & bones, but it got postponed together with everything else after division 2 and breakpoint bombed hard.

>and released one of those every few years instead.

in ubishit's defense the only games they shit out constantly is mostly singleplayer stuff, while they support multiplayer way longer than other publishers (which doesn't keep them from turning to shit, but still). least you're not stuck with a dead game and required to constantly buy the sequel.

>>16932272

Fair enough, but it's also fun to laugh at shitshows like TORtanic or DmC.

>>16932273

>III

Speaking of III, I found the ending quite baffling, and on par with Mass Effect 3's ending(I think they both came in the same year), only that AssCreed3 was, at launch, such a buggy piece of shit, that this is what most people talked about, and it didn't promise to have endings based on your choices, as there were none.

For those lucky enough, to not have played, I will need to explain how the writes view the good guys(Assassins) and the bad guys(Templars)

>Assassins put freedom above all, you need to be free in order to have peace and kiss your homosexual black husband, this is why they are good

<Templarss put control above all, you need to control the masses in order to have peace and put women in the kitchen, this is why they are bad

If there is anything that Desmond "learned" from his past lives is that freedom is good, and control is bad(at least this is what the writes presented us)

Through the story of 3, you are also presented through the past live of Connor, that Assassins and Templars just can not work together, and can not compromise, not even as father and son. This is what Desmond learns. This is what your dad also tells you, that they can't work together and to never compromise on your beliefs.

Now in the present you learn that a solar flare(?) killed the ancient civilization, and it's going to happen again, since it's 2012(muh Mayans), so you gather the McGuffins, and some ancient ayy hologram tells you to put your hand on it, but then some other hologram ayy tells you not to, because you were manipulated by the first ayy, so you end up with two choices:

>let the solar flare kill 99% of the population, destroying all technology and start from scratch, but you will survive and become a prophet of the new world shaping it as you wish, BUT in a few thousand years your ideas MIGHT get changed from "Respect thy neighbor" to "Kill thy neighbor".

or

>kill yourself, in order to save the planet, but you let the Ayys control everyone, including their thoughts, issuing a One World Order, but hey 100% of the people will be saved, though they will be mindless drones now

I see the first choice as the assassin one, while the other is the templar one(freedom vs control) so what does Desmond do? Does he weight in the options? Should he let people die or should he kill himself and let the Templars win? Should he ask his other assassin teammates what they think? Is freedom worth protecting? Nope he just goes and kills himself without a second thought. Not one bit does he think about. Nobody tells him,"hey wait a moment, let us think this through", they just go with it for no apparent reason. Such a monumental decision, you would think they would say something, but nope, "they will win another day"/

I understand that letting people die, is not a good thing, but up until now the writers have gone freedom=good, control=bad, just not this one moment, which is why I find it baffling, because they are not consistent.

The pre-order figurine is a woman.

>>16931987

My favorite is AssCreed Unity.

It came free with my (((original Xbox One))). Kind of sucks my 1st gen Xbox One is slow as shit and can barely play browser games now.

I also liked AssCreed Unity because it has the most complex storyline.

>>16932001

>>16931978

>Three Norse expeditions west of Greenland

>First one by Leif Eriksson was short and didn't really interact with natives

>Second one with Leif's brother Thorvald: Thorvald's a traditional Viking and decided to attack some featherheads sleeping in their canoes, but he let one get away, so they came back with arrows and killed him

>Third one started off with peaceful trading but then a bull got loose and it scared the shit out of the natives who took it as a sign of hostility and attacked them. The Norsemen got away, partly because Leif's pregnant half-sister slashed her own tit with a sword to scare them off (yes, really)

>Norsemen who at that time were known for their aggressive methods, decided to leave a group of peaceful people and a ton of land alone for no fucking reason after wasting tons of resources on an expedition

I thought I "got" being pozzed, but god damn. Why wouldn't they just call Vikings rayciss like they did with the KKK, even though the KKK was non-existent at the time the game took place?

>>16932304

You like Assassin's Creed? I'm sorry anon, but you're going to have to prove this to me.

>>16931913

>>16931914

>OP that hardly makes sense

>the OP also posts some weird-ass AI created Jewtube video

Is this some new viral marketing algorithm that Ubisoft is trying out?

>>16932140

Actually no, limescale would buildup inside the pipes and protected the water from being poisoned with lead.

Purely serendipitous.

>>16932483

Apparently, they weren't ignorant of the lead issue themselves and tried to control it as much as possible. Lead was only used in pipes where the water was guaranteed to be running quickly. Whether that helped or not, I don't know, but their theory was apparently that the settled or slow water was more dangerous - and in that case, relied on ceramic piping.

>>16932053

I'll agree that our focus on history from that time period is far too biased toward the Romans and we unquestionably trusted their statements and views on other cultures far too much for far too long, but raids and wars were a common thing 2000 years ago. The Celts and Germans raided each other and even themselves all the time, the things Rome did weren't unique.

The way they acted is certainly unacceptable in today's eyes and I feel just how cruel and vile Roman society could be is heavily whitewashed in today's media, but to criticize them for doing something his own culture was doing was just bizarre.

>>16932702

>The way they acted is certainly unacceptable in today's eyes

That only proves how much today's standards are divorced from reality, not that the Romans were 'evil'.

>I feel just how cruel and vile Roman society could be is heavily whitewashed in today's media

Why, because muh slaves? Your view of slavery is skewed because Americans are bombarded by propaganda about it from preschool. If you actually read about pre-imperial Romans and how their society functioned and were capable of separating modern thinking and modern judgements from peoples of the past, you'd see that it was warranted and logical for them to take captives and force them to work. It was their right by conquest, and to be fair, it had its disadvantages. At some point the slaves and imported labor started to outnumber the original Roman people, and when the first cracks in the facade started to show, it was the descendants of slaves that formed the bulk of society. They had all the disadvantages of living in overabundance but had none of the traits and characteristics that made it possible to achieve it in the first place. What Romans did wrong wasn't taking slaves, but letting them proliferate and then legitimizing them as citizens.

>>16932741

>instead of being slaves to one master they are slaves to landlords and banks.

Indeed, although modern slavery is a state of mind more than anything else.

https://archive.fo/g1kUl

>>16932720

>That only proves how much today's standards are divorced from reality, not that the Romans were 'evil'.

At least one group said the Romans were objectively evil: Christians. And it's a big reason why people think as they do now. Because the Christian worldview reshaped a lot of cultures' value systems - and we're all the better for it. It even dominated the minds of atheists to this day. Which is why Nietzsche and everyone after him hates it. They think they'll find enlightenment by ridding themselves of Christ and romanticizing "primitivism". So this is why we get faggots idealizing the Romans once again.

>>16932780

>They think they'll find enlightenment by ridding themselves of Christ and romanticizing "primitivism"

That is not what Nietzsche said. He stated that Christians, especially Paul, warped the words of Jesus Christ and that his main issue was with the slave morality those Christians demonstrated. Of Christ himself he spoke highly.

>>16932417

>You like Assassin's Creed?

I don't "like" AssCreed but I enjoyed some of them (AC2, Black Flag, Rogue and Origins). I just like to see how bad a studio will screw up a franchise, that's all, that doesn't mean I will buy Odyssey or Viking.

>a very underrated culture

Fucking everything has something related to the Norse nowadays. I have no idea what has caused this obsession in recent years.

It looks like absolute ass already. Remember when the first game had something to do with assassinating people?

>>16932782

I'd rather be a roman-dick washer than being ground to dust by muh (((company store))) in ye olde burger mine.

>>16932818

>Remember when the first game had something to do with assassinating people?

This complaint is getting annoying, there's been like 10 games of course it's going to change.

I'm not trying to defend ass creed, i'm just saying.

>>16932780

>They think they'll find enlightenment by ridding themselves of Christ and romanticizing "primitivism".

Dude, Romans were an opposite of primitive society. Christianity was one of the reasons why the Roman Empire has fallen. I know the dark ages are a myth, but still, the world has regressed after its collapse. Europe needed hundreds of years to regain a fraction of the ancient knowledge, and a good part of it was lost forever. And, speaking about primitivism… Early Christians had shitloads of different sects, some worshipped snakes (ophites), some practiced homosexuality (cainites), some practiced nudism (adamites), some worshipped kikes (edomites). The only reason the religion looks as we know it is because one of many sects managed to take over the government and eliminate all others using military force.

>>16932827

Then why even call it Assassin's Creed then? Because of brand recognition? They should just make a new IP if they're done with the assassins.

The series has been going on for way too long anyway and this new entry looks incredibly stupid. We're past the point of these simply being bad games and have entered the bizarre realm.

>>16932829

>Then why even call it Assassin's Creed then?

Because of brand recognition.

>Because of brand recognition?

yes

>They should just make a new IP if they're done with the assassins.

yes

>The series has been going on for way too long anyway and this new entry looks incredibly stupid

yes

I'm not saying what they're doing is good, but mostly "what did you expect?"

>>16932828

>Christianity was one of the reasons why the Roman Empire has fallen.

Christianity is the reason, why we had a Renaissance, and why the "ancient culture" was preserved, because the priests kept the ancient books in their monasteries and made as many copies by hand, as possible. If it weren't for the Christians, all the ancient knowledge would have been lost.

>>16932849

The Irish monks who preserved and copied so much of the ancient Greek and Latin manuscripts and then spread them back to the rest of Europe saved so much knowledge that it's hard to quantify just how much we owe them. If you want to read more about it, look up "How the Irish Saved Civilization: The Untold Story of Ireland’s Heroic Role from the Fall of Rome to the Rise of Medieval Europe"

>>16932838

You're right that they've preserved the knowledge, but it's safe to assume that the turmoil of the 'transitional' period has caused a much greater loss of art, architecture and literature. Some of it deliberate because muh pagans are evil and the temples must burn.

>>16931913

Can you even assassinate people in it?

I watched some of that greek one's footage and it was just generic combat that looked poorly implemented.

>Stop getting your knowledge of history from /pol/

Uh, anon. /pol loves vikings and would never depict them as "snow niggers"

>>16932849

Nigger, how bad is your education to be asking that?

>>16932013

>Okay first of all

Confirmed that everything you say is a lie.

>oy vey /pol/ bad

Reconfirmed.

>>16932911

>Don't worry guys, we let you be a Viking that sucks cock and takes it up the arse. Aren't we so progressive?

I don't know what I even expected or why I am even surprised anymore.

>>16932911

They just keep pushing faggotry into gaming.

Borderlands 3 dropped that gay wedding DLC as the second PAID expansion. These Gearbox cucklords can't fix split-screen but lo and behold the DLC centred around a gay wedding, not forgetting the so called "misgendering" of Flak that resulted in a mass of forum bans.

Its not a big game anymore due the shit tier story writing that kills off two original fan favorite characters, mainly because the new manly looking Siren is repulsive in comparison. Not forgetting the annoying mini feminist Ava who whines all the time, gets Maya killed and is supposedly going to be in Borderlands 4.

I think all the talent at gearbox jumped ship after the Tiny Tina DLC for Borderlands 2.

Fuck all this progressive bullshit agenda for ruining a great series.

>>16932911

>Heteros: Pay to about millions of babies

No shit, they're the only ones capable of making babies.

>>16932911

>>16932938

>>16932992

It's Ubisoft. Were people really expecting anything different? I wouldn't be surprised if they shoe-horned a bunch of niggers in for shits and giggles too.

>>16932857

mm no sweetie, it was the MUSLIMS who preserved european cannon, we owe them so much, without them we'd still be living in mudhuts, we must learn from them to be more tolerant as well.

You can't believe how much i hate that line of thinking, and it's so pervasive today

>>16933055

Oh, I'm sure they will.

>>16932818

>I have no idea what caused this obsession in recent years.

The entertainment industry moved on from the last historical obsession to make money. Remember how the early-mid 2000's had fucktons of shows about Greco-Roman stuff? 300, Rome, Gladiator, Spartacus, etc. And back before that it was Asian kung fu shit. When they milk the viking stuff dry they'll start going back to the Asian stuff and then Greco-Roman again.

These cycles have been going on in entertainment for a while now.

>>16932911

by "love" they mean groom and abuse into homosexuality

>>16933076

>and it's so pervasive today

For those people, I recommend them a few sessions with Dr Bill Warner

>>16932838

>Preserve by removing it and then writing about it

flawless logic

>>16932818

I suspect it's becoming one of the few genuinely white things that people are allowed to identify with. Think about it. All of the big historical powers are off the table because "oppressive", "fascist", but Vikings were pretty much just sea bums, and the only people they damaged in any significant fashion were also white, so fair game. Same thing with pirates, really.

There's also some really dumb memeing about them being proto-feminists.

>>16932938

Don't worry anon, it's not socially unacceptable unless you're a bottom bitch. Then you're the absolute lowest piece of shit in Norse society. As long as you pitch, you ain't no one's bitch.

I'm kidding around here but really the worst insult in old Norse means bottom bitch catcher

I'm half Scandi myself, and I still don't get the faggy romanticization of it.

God, I hate white people.

That superhuman big guy in the trailer was retarded. I don't care if it's a videogame.

>>16933277

>I suspect it's becoming one of the few genuinely white things that people are allowed to identify with

Most likely this, it has comparatively little baggage in comparison with other periods of european history, shit's getting popular.

Anglo-sax game where you just fucking murder everything that is not beside you with another shield when?

>>16933491

Half of the so called "baggage" were things that most weren't guilty of anyways. There's no excuse to hate yourself over something that wasn't a regular occurrence or even happened in your own region. Like Canadians feeling bad for Colonialism, for example. Or Swiss feeling bad for the Inquisition.

Even then, some of the Church related stuff was partly propaganda too. We have records of the Inquisition now, where the case load was actually fairly low and executions uncommon (talking about in Spain) and altogether boring. It was Protestants who exaggerated about the supposed horrors that later stuck with later secular culture and Hollywood. As for witch burning, the only difference is that people don't believe in witches as much as anymore. If they did, they'd likely want to kill them too. If you simply described kidnappers, pedophiles, and child abusers, many people would still want to burn that group. The only difference is that "witches" causes a different level of mockery to modern sensibilities. Suddenly they become self-righteous about persecution.

>>16933510

You're not wrong, but perceptions are as important as facts.

>>16933494

Check out Ancestors Legacy.

>>16933512

I can't say that I agree, but I won't push it and derail too much. The most I could agree with is that it's important to play to perceptions. But one can do that and still hold to facts. You're just making it more presentable, if you will.

>>16933571

I meant it in the sense that facts are meaningless if the perception is different. like for example nigger crime, the facts is that they commit more crime, but the perception is that they dindu nuffin, which of the two positions has actually changed laws? what's shown in the media? what is believed by most people nowadays?

I agree that facts show a lot of the "baggage" is exaggerated, normal at the time and some times fabricated, the people still perceive that baggage.

>>16931913

>Vikang

>underrated

???

>>16933159

>Humanist weddings

This one's new to me. Isn't humanism some kind of philosophical idea? Do people have nihilistic weddings too?

>>16932857

Thanks Irishmen, gonna bring this up with uppity Bongs.

>>16933277

Unless you are from Sweden, in which case you are not allowed to identify with Vikings in any way.

>>16933773

Humanism is for people who want to pretend they're ethically mindful, but still want to be faggots. It's purely reactive on that one issue, but afraid to completely dismiss the rest of moral behavior. They want their cake and to eat it too. In this sense, I admire the likes of Stalin or Mao or __insert mass murdering psychopath_ here. They were faggots too, but at least they weren't pussies about it. They sought a complete upheaval of behavior. I can sort of admire that, as an enemy. But a humanist deserves nothing but scorn.

ass creed died with 3

>>16934652

I would say it was dead on arrival, but merely became the best it was ever going to be by that point.

>>16932238

Oh yes, set in japan full of ninjas fighting templar samurai, as if Japanese weebshit isn’t already being sucked off by several thousand people at a time now. With how uninspired, cliché, and half assed your ideas are, I’m surprised ubisoft hasn’t picked you up as a lead designer.

>>16932006

>vikangz totally had great glorious buildings, totes potato

>the xtians all burned them down so we don't have evidence

>foundations, pole holes and burned buildings leaves no archaeological traces at all

>"look at pic related, this is what they had"

>pic is a literal fucking church

Also, Pre-Christian Scandinavia was a sparsely populated place with no cities, and not even so much as a hint of state formation outside Denmark. The place was a patchwork of tribes and clans, and the power of any local ruler ended two villages over. Do you seriously think that they even had the resources for monumental architecture?

Also, except for the Anglosaxons, Germanic pagans didn't even have temples. Their holy sites were random places out there in the woods. They didn't even have pagan buildings for the Christians to get offended at - so all the buildings they did have were purely functional secular architecture, and why the hell would the Christians want to burn down longhouses and granaries?

>>16932885

>but it's safe to assume that the turmoil of the 'transitional' period has caused a much greater loss of art, architecture and literature. Some of it deliberate because muh pagans are evil and the temples must burn.

With regard to Christianization, there wasn't really much of a loss of art at all. A lot of Roman art was secular anyway, and unlike Judaism or Islam, Christianity didn't have an issue with depicting people.

Temples did suffer, but in a lot of cases that had more to do with abandonment than anything else. It did sometimes happen that Christians made a point of destroying a temple, but gradual abandonment seems to have been more common.

Interesting side note: in a lot of places, Roman Christians seem to have been quite wary of pagan temples. Late Antique Christians tended to think of such places as tainted, and they usually weren't very keen on converting temples to churches for that very reason. There are exceptions - but in most cases where there's a church on the site of an ancient temple, the church was built centuries after the temple had fallen out of use.

The architecture in general survived quite well for as long as that Roman power persisted. That's also why the Greco-Roman architecture continued to evolve and become more sophisticated in the Byzantine empire.

And literature? Even the monks of the Carolingian empire were reading Virgil and Catullus. Latin literature continued to be read and copied wherever there was an audience of people who could read Classic Latin - and Christianity expanded that audience by introducing Latin literacy to the Irish and the Germanic peoples.

A lot of works invariably were lost, yes - but a lot of that has to do with inevitable attrition (people had to copy everything by hand, remember? Even in pagan society, a lot of works were lost overtime simply because people didn't think they were worth the time and energy to copy them), as well as with the fact that one of the most Roman places on the planet - provincial Africa - became entirely Islamic and Arabic-speaking.

It's funny that the pinnacle of Scandinavian society where they had true influence, respect, and impact was only after they were Christian and at one point, even rivaled (or could make demands of) the Holy Roman empire. It never happened before. Only after. Not even the Germans would mess with them. Yet some would want to resort to straw huts and raiding old women's homes in their seaships and say that was the great period instead. Degenerates. There isn't a better word for you. You're no better than "La Raza" and Aboriginal activist groups.

>>16935768

>discovering America is degenerate

ok pal

>>16935769

All neopagans are no better.

You all need to listen to more Bach. That's my advice. It'll get your heads out of your asses right away… if there's any hope at all.

>arguing about shit that happened centuries ago

VIDEO GAMES

>>16935771

What relevance do neopagans even have in this context? The point was that pagan Norsemen were very obviously capable of great things

>hurr christianity coincided with nordic societies coming out of the middle ages correlation equals causation

If Constantine hadn't prayed like a bitch you would be talking about how those dumb ooga booga snow niggers would be nothing without Jupiter.

>>16935778

>Correlation doesn't equal causation

>My counterfactual's really impressive evidence tho

Found the larper.

Pre-Christian Scandinavia - Belligerent niggers who lag behind the rest of Europe in every regard

Christian Scandinavia - A collection of great powers of the world (virtually every great cultural work produced in this era, pre-Christian relics laughable in comparison to the body of Christian Scandinavian art and architecture).

Post-Christian Scandinavia - The gay old man of Europe, literally inviting their own ethnic annihilation.

Coincidence? Yeah every Northern/Eastern European nation that Christianised late just happened to remain backward backwaters until after Christianisation, and those that de-Christianised early just happened to embrace their own abolition with the greatest glee.

>>16935785

That's fair though

>>16935786

>My counterfactual's really impressive evidence tho

It is, because you made the idiotic mistake of asserting that Norse culture was primitive and worthless before Christianity became common in those nations, which can be easily disproven with a couple of examples. You've shouldered a massive burden of proof. It's kind of like trying to prove that no gods exist, which is the retarded philosophical trap that many fedora atheists fall into, except not quite as impossible. You would have to exhaustively explain how every historically significant thing that Nordic societies did was somehow not their fault or because of Christian influence.

>>16935786

Wide spread infection by the leftism cult doesn't mean Christianity is the thing that warded it off or that it was the reason for the rise. Most of the rapid world advancements happen post christian absolutism and only started it decline after the rise of the leftist cult.

>>16932911

Ah yes. The historical captain Sweden.

>>16935775

Such is the curse of viking threads; to inevitably devolve into religious shitflinging

It will be like cum of war and tarnish it

>>16935775

>arguing about history in a thread about a game set in a historical setting

LMAO BOTTOM TEXT

>>16936235

>Medivial Southwest Asian like the Khmer

Meant to be Southeastern, sorry.

Also, to be clear "good" here Is a mix of both how much cool shit a given setting has, how well suited it is in terms of archtecture for stuff like exploration and climbing, and how much it woulkd bring in terms of a setitng which doesn't get used much.. For example, West Africa preforms poorly on the second point and only somewhat well on the first, but i've never seen shit like Mali, Benin, etc stuff in games ever, so it'd be interesting, an I certainly think it'd have more going for it or at least as much as vikings while being more unique on top of that.

My personal top 5 would be

>Postclassical Mesoamerica/Conquest of Mexico (There's a fucking insane amount of potential here: Giant cities, super undused setting with a unique aesrtic, two alien civilizations meeting, tons of political scheming and shit between different conquistadors and local city-states, etc)

>Southeast Asian Kingdoms

>Ancient or Medieval India

>Persia

>Classical Mesoamerica

With Japan and China as close runner's ups. Also the Russian Revolution even if it's post-16th century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zew65U1ghhc

I've got my own personal theory as to why other Europeans never built anything huge prior to the Medieval age.

>lack of writing

Most European societies had little to no form of writing, information was likely passed down orally rather than through literature. Because of this, complex philosophies and building techniques never developed.

>lack of access to the east

Europe didn't exist in a bubble, the Middle East and Asia were also home to huge societies that heavily influenced the Mediterranean. The first writing systems were born in Assyria, Sumeria and the IVC. This slowly spread throughout the region and into parts of Southern Europe, but not much beyond that.

The silk road allowed for goods from different corners of the world to end up throughout Eurasia, the Hellenistic world was much closer to it than Germanic societies would have been, so far more of those goods passed through it.

>lack of resources

Europe isn't exactly abundant in quarries. Britain and Ireland were so critically lacking in them that they'd take already shaped boulders and rocks and build with those instead. Look up the Pictish stones. You can see that the Picts were talented masons and artists, but they didn't have much to work with.

Contrast that with Greece and Egypt, are both littered with rocky terrain.

>>16936278

Second reply meant for >>16936269

>>>16932000

Ah yes the totally healthier and proper living conditions of the Roman Empire. Also you're file says "pre_roman nordic archeiture" another typically /his/ dumbass, norse culture not only did not exist before the Romans, but most of the people lived in Northern Europe were either bell beaker people who are genetically similar the Romans or steppe people who migrated there.

>>16932911

The dude on the left is retarded, the vikings despised homosexuality and would mock those who attempted to have an appearance of a woman.

>>16936235

Even if peasants did not live in huts they lived in shitty housing conditions who were owned by rich dudes who only cared for money this something /pol/ack faggots always leave out when they're trying to discuss accomplishments of every civilizations they're retarded.

>>16936278

The Pictish stones are not very well known, but they're a fine example of Celtic art.

Depictions of the Mayans mostly come from the reports of Spanish during the end of the civilization when mass sacrifice and constant wars were raging. Imagine if somebody from another planet stumbled upon Earth during the first and/or second World War, they'd think Europe was a land of total chaos.

>>16936355

Conditions of the poor is something always conveniently left out of history. Our views of Rome or Greece would not be as favorable or fetishized if we saw the world from the perspective of the average person of the period and not solely from philosophers and politicians who lived in cities.

>>16936345

That image is so egregiously misinformed, inaccurate and downright ignorant that I'm actually offended by its idiocy. You could use this as a thesis on the Dunning–Kruger effect.

>>16936363

In turn, your post feels like some historical apologism because you happen to like this particular brand of spear chuckers.

>The earliest Maya civilizations appeared around 2600 BC.

Well, I guess it depends on how you define a civilization.

>The Archaic period, prior to 2000 BC, saw the first developments in agriculture and the earliest villages. The Preclassic period (c. 2000 BC to 250 AD) saw the establishment of the first complex societies in the Maya region, and the cultivation of the staple crops of the Maya diet, including maize, beans, squashes, and chili peppers. The first Maya cities developed around 750 BC

In 2000 BC they only started to learn how to plow their fields.

>Stone age itself is also a flawed concept that implies technology is a linear path and it doesn't apply well to cultures that mostly used stone tools, like the Mayans.

You're trying to find excuses for cultural relativism. Development of technology is linear enough that most of the world can fit into the pattern.

> The Mayan calendars are extremely famous, even the average person would know they had calendars.

He's not saying they didn't have calendars.

>This isn't true, they did have wheels. They used them for toys and ceramics. They just never used wheels for transport. Do you know why?

>THEY LIVED IN THE JUNGLE

I guess that's why they're extinct now, Europeans would be too if they used wheels for toys because forests are thick and you can't ride through them.

>Many human cultures did this, but the Mayans mostly did it towards the end of their civilization as it was slowly declining. The same goes for mass sacrifice, that was never done in the Classical Mayan period and it's not thought human sacrifice was done at all in the Protoclassical period. The people sacrificed were prisoners, not random citizens.

And here it shows that you're trying the hardest at apologetics. What's so amazing and notable about them if they started to become so degenerate as to rip people to shreds and eat their hearts? There's no parallel between that and anything in Europe.

>Blood was viewed as a potent source of nourishment for the Maya deities, and the sacrifice of a living creature was a powerful blood offering.

>In AD 738, the vassal king Kʼakʼ Tiliw Chan Yopaat of Quiriguá captured his overlord, Uaxaclajuun Ubʼaah Kʼawiil of Copán and a few days later ritually decapitated him.

Their gods were bloodthirsty, and we don't know if they didn't make sacrifices earlier. It's easy to assume that they did, perhaps on a smaller scale.

>Research shit you read instead of believing random screenshots of dumb boomers you find on cuckchan

And why would I believe some random biased poster with a hardon for some backwards extinct culture without any significant impact on history?

Yes, this is great.

>>16936445

Great, just great.

>>16936442

This isn't even a rebuttal, you're not making any actual arguments against anon. You're saying "lol mayans weren't relevant x^)" which isn't the point of his post nor is he saying the Mayans were morally good. He's saying the Mayans were more advanced than Stoyan Shentov was stating.

You can't defend Shentov, anon. His entire post is filled factually incorrect statements.

>>16936455

>nor is he saying the Mayans were morally good

I didn't say anything about morality. I don't care about it. The argument was that they weren't an advanced civilization. When a bunch of fucksticks uses scarce and precious resources to make toys instead of forging spearheads and couldn't be arsed to build a road, then it's hard to see them as "advanced" in any way. The only reason we know anything about them is because they stood in the path of European conquest.

Yeah, they had cool temples, I guess.

>>16936710

>>16936714

Dude you're too good, you should leave 8kun, i want to tell you where to go but at the same time i don't want to attract autists

>aztek alium "civilization"

You most of that shit was made up by Mexican grad students to justify their existence as a "unique" race instead of Spaniard-mongol mutts, right? It's pure fiction.

>spergs out over one image

Amazing. I'll definitely be turning this into a copypasta whenever this spic posts again.

>>16936729

>>16936731

You forgot to use your proxy to mask your samefagging, m8

Also I was very obviously replying to multiple posts, not just one (it wouldn't have taken me multiple posts otherwise); and i'm not a spic: I'm a white murican whose family originated from Eastern Europe.

>tons of archeological finds uncovering ruins buried for centuries, as well as documents and manuscripts originating from centuries ago as well

>"made up"

Guess those Mexican grad students also have a time travel machine to go back and build those cities and paint those manuscripts, huh

>>16936733

Cute, I'll repost my reply to it whenever I see it as well then.

people still play ass creed?

>thread's completely derailed into world history

apparently not

>>16936729

>>16936731

>>16936733

>get blown the fuck out repeatedly for being completely ignorant about history

>resort to samefagging and IP hopping

>HAHA YOU'RE SO BUTTHURT I'M GONNA TROLL YOU GUYS HARDCORE IN THE FUTURE :::^^^^)))))

holy shit dude have some humility

>>16936770

>>16936801

I don't think >>16936442 and >>16936729 are the same people.

I think >>16936442 is a bit ignorant about the subject matter and a bit passive aggressive, but they aren't posting in bad faith; I'd actually love to continue to have a back and forth with them if they'd reply to >>16936728

The other anon is just shitposting

bump

>>16936729

Stop being a such faggot, it makes we want to fill your ass.

>The AC games could be virtual tourism to rival Yakuza or assassin stealth sandboxes to rival Hitman/Thief

>shit the historical parts up by being french

>shit the gameplay part up by being triple a

Such wasted potential. And Black Fag is a shit game too, don't kid yourself.

>>16936710

>>16936714

Makes me glad to see you're still around mayanon, I enjoyed the underappreciated cultures game threads a few years back.

>>16938571

I really enjoy the imageboard format, so yeah, i'll likely always be around here or other imageboards, though I did sort of forget 8ch existed for a while.

ALso it's less Maya and more Mesoamerica as a whole, if I had to nail it'd down it'd be moreso Aztec (not that the Maya and Aztec are the only two Mesoamerican civilizations)

>>16938572

Give zchan.cc or 8chan.moe a whirl some time. The fatchan board owner is in charge of the former and some old drawfags made it to the latter.

>>16932828

>Conflating gnosticism with Christianity

The only true denomination is the one founded by Peter, which is Catholicism. See Matthew 16:18

>>16938574

t. Mark

>>16938581

Catholics are fake Christians, it's as if they are from Bizarro world.

Examples of the many heretical beliefs of the "Catholic" church:

>Extra ecclesiam nulla sallus

>Eucharist as cannibalism rather than metaphor (this was the interpretation of the scoffers)

>Sprinkling Baptisms at birth rather than full immersion after confession of faith

>Pope cannot make mistakes while sitting in the special chair

>Mary as intercessor (John 14:6 contradicts this)

>Only a select canonized few are saints (Romans says all true Christians are to be called saints)

>>16938581

>>16938585

>my sect is the only true sect, all others are HERETICS!!

Your brand of retardation is the reason why untold thousands of white Europeans died in these pointless religious wars. And yet still it goes on. I get that our civilization is built on Christian values, but we all can just focus on following the Ten Commandments without tearing each other apart about whether Jesus is divine or not. What the fuck do these doctrinarian problems matter anyway?

>>16938587

no

>>16938595

Seems close enough to me.

>2. You shall not make for yourself an idol.

Idolatry is forbidden by Catholicism as well.

>4. Sabbath day

Well, if you insist on following kike holy days…

>10. Neighbor's house

This is probably mistranslation, same as "don't murder" = "don't kill" debate. Might as well say "household"; a wife is a part of a household.

>>16932000

>the vikangz also managed to sail across the seas and btfo other cultures

Sorry faggot but that comparison isn't legitimate. Living in a snowy wasteland limited their ability to build nice houses, but did not limit their ability to build advanced boats and weapons for the time.

>>16932936

Everything he said is factually correct, though.

>>16938619

>Idolatry is forbidden by Catholicism as well.

Kind of, but not really. Ask Italians or Hispanics about how much they revere saints over Jesus. You aren't really supposed to do that if you ask other Christians.

>>16938595

>That first revised commandment

Someone hand them an Grammar book.

>>16938585

Mark isn't on zchan, though.

I came here expecting videogame discussion, not endless serious discussion about norse and maya cultures.

>>16939174

>Turning artifacts into scrap metal

So they were acting like vikings?

>>16939175

I am pretty sure they used the silver and gold they pillaged the same way anyone else would. Unless of course they managed to have a such a massive shortage of metal scrap for their electric arc furnace that they needed to travel to the other side of Europe by boat to get it.

>>16936891

lmao look at dis nigga, first he makes some summary of all his bitchfits and the bitches he shared them with to proclaim to all his high and mighty opinion, then he bumps the thread like hahahahaha no-one here to blow you for nothing jabroni

asdadsasddsa

Cant wait for the we wuz vikings

>>16944557

a fellow turkish i see

asin bayraklari asin !!

>>16932238

I'm actually happy that ubishit never solied medieval weebland with their propaganda. I can see Oda Nobunaga being whipped by his wife for not cleaning the sake cups and Tokugawa being a racist templar for unifiying Japan.

Ghosts of Sushima is my last hope on vidya.

>>16945122

You're not turkish, but most likely a descendant of European slaves/converts

>>16945146

Could be

>>16945155

I still wouldn't call turks outright white, though it is true that they among with other middle eastern groups are the closest