3535e8 No.16859265
What games have the best build variety?
As dissapointing as Dark Souls 3 was versus the rest of the series (besides 2 obviously) I kept coming back and playing it because of the amount of different builds I could make. I realize gameplay doesn't really change much besides deciding to use magic or not, but just having the option to get creative with a ton of playstyles gets me off. For example, I decided to try to make a ranged only build in my latest run, and I've encountered a ton of obstacles but also a lot of chances to use lesser used mechanics like dragon form effectively. I've even resorted to playing shit like pokemon for a few hundred hours just making somewhat unique builds for each pokemon. What other games have you tried that give you the chance to play through the game and exploit mechanics to create unique builds others may not have even imagined working?
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66f20e No.16859305
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>>16859265
>dark souls 3
underrail, although you might be confronted by the game's difficulty to figure out builds, recommended to play on not oddity for gainng xp.
battlezone 2100
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3535e8 No.16859434
>>16859305
I'll definetly check out underrail, and I think you meant warzone 2100 which looks like it could be a good choice too, thanks.
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999101 No.16859464
>>16859434
>>16859305
I dunno, Warzone lets you play around a lot but I'd say there is usually an intended build for any given mission, that said it's not like different builds don't work at all and the variety is vast as hell. Quick tip is that you can recycle vetted units and they get assigned to whatever you build next instead. And whatever you do, if the multiplayer still lives, don't try it, the autism is sky high and the meta is set in stone.
Underrail is also wonderful, but you should try playing around and starting over a few times with new builds, just to get the gist of it. You can find yourself with a dead run 20 hours in, just because your build is shit, but most combinations work.
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8b161c No.16859471
Age of Decadence, it has swords, spears, axes, hammers, daggers, bows, crossbows and throwables, every bracket has a few different variants, each weapon has specific weaknesses and strengths, and can be fitting for different playstyles (like heavy spatha sword with high damage but higher AP costs, or faster sabre). For defense, you can pick shields or dodging; armor slows you down (AP-wise) but absorbs damage when you're inevitably hit. Moreover you have non-combat skills that you have to balance out with combat skills to be able to achieve your goals and get higher quest rewards. To add to the variety you have 8 starting backgrounds and 7 different factions that you can betray at several points of the story. None of your playthroughs will be the same.
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4f58eb No.16859503
>>16859434
Underrail is great (except for the last section of the main game) but it does require either foreknowledge of certain things or that you play, make a shit build, restart hours later and then do everything right.
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4d73f4 No.16859506
>>16859471
>For defense
My god the game is so defense-heavy that you can spend ten minutes in the tutorial fight and lose.
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3535e8 No.16859517
>>16859471
That looks pretty good too, I'll definetly have to pick that up.
>>16859506
>>16859503
>>16859464
Thanks for the warnings anons.
In case you guys are interested in the same topic, I would highly recommend emulating grafitti kingdom. It's a 3d beat-em-up with a drawing program. Depending on how you make the character, like how long the limbs are, you can have different moves, attacks and even run speed. For reference, I made a gondola that had amazing range, run and jump speed, but couldnt hit hard at all. Story isn't really good at all but the build variety has huge potential.
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c8f23d No.16859586
>>16859503
Only thing stopping Underrail is its shitty UI which easily gets you killed during encounters.
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f3d6fb No.16859592
>>16859506
IDK, I finished the tutorial on the first try, albeit I had like 2 HP left. Spears and high dex rule, especially that you will be outnumbered most of the time so being maneuverable pays off.
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aa0db8 No.16859601
>>16859464
I definitely suffered from the dead run problem, but the obvious builds do work. Crafting is also pretty damn good and you should probably get it. My most successful dude was a techmarine that crafts his own plasma guns and high-tech armor. Psi is good but I wouldn't recommend trying to synergize it with stealth, that run started well but petered out after the middle part very quickly.
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f1a7d0 No.16859619
D&D CRPGs, such as BG1/2 and NWN1, have amazing build variety with their multiclassing system
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67c215 No.16859623
>>16859265
Soul Sacrifice Delta. Over 100 spell types and variations and faction-based skill-building that earn your special perks based on whether you save or sacrifice monsters and archfiends. Sadly it's stuck on the vita for the time being as it's a first-party sony title.
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c0a313 No.16859627
>>16859265
>best build variety
Write them down :
>Phantasy Star Portable 2
>Phantasy Star Online 2
>Soul Sacrifice Delta
>Toukiden Kiwami
>Toukiden 2
>Xanadu Next
>Warhammer according to French people
>Sacred 1 or 2, depending on which flavour of OP builds you like and if you love Blind Guardian
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9b1fbf No.16859666
>>16859627
>Blind Guardian
I like some of their albums, what do they have to do with Sacred?
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23a54f No.16859672
>>16859666
They did the title theme fqkojt
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aa0db8 No.16859763
>>16859627
>Warhammer
What, you mean like, Fantasy Battles? The tabletop game? What are you talking about specifically?
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7e8f8f No.16859791
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>>16859666
figures Satan would have good taste in metal
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778787 No.16860140
2 was good too, don't be an idiot.
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54c053 No.16860230
Daggerfall gets shilled a lot for supposedly having this but it's complete bullshit. inb4 someone brings up langauge man
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4d450d No.16860239
For better and for worse, Nioh takes the From Software build philosophy, and goes fully autistic with it. There's even an active thread going on for Nioh 2, especially seeing as the trial is this weekend. >>16841630
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58a0b3 No.16860362
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>>16860239
DS indeed has more weapon type variety but when it comes to set builds DS can't even fucking compare to nioh.
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f7f1f3 No.16863827
>>16859265
>As disapointing as Dark Souls 3 was versus the rest of the series (besides 2 obviously) I kept coming back and playing it because of the amount of different builds I could make.
<Dark Souls 3
<Fun different builds
Pick one. The only viable build in that game is either a STR/DEX build, a pure STR build or a pure DEXfag build. I like STR builds but it's just maddening at how they made armor near-useless and removed poise from it I know they're not removed entirely, but it doesn't matter 80% of the time. You're on a disadvantage if you wear heavy armour, let that sink in. DS3 ruined the magic by making them deal impotent damage if you're not wearing 2 rings. Even if you spec enough points into them, a Raw weapon with a bundle would deal around the same damage without any of the requirements of spending points into FTH / INT. And that's only the damage problem, let's not even get to how it has other problems with Magic beyond seeing numbers go up.
If you want a DS game with stupid but workable builds, then you'd want to look at 2.
I'm just mad that they fucked up the DS1 formula with 3, just look at those wasted potential. Then again, From is sick of Dark Souls, so here's hoping that they'll come back making AC games.
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4d450d No.16863852
>>16863827
>From is sick of Dark Souls, so here's hoping that they'll come back making AC games.
Sekiro and Bloodborne are two of the best games this generation. They went from a A or AA studio to a AAA studio on the success and later tweaks of the Souls formula.
And their next game. As described by Hidetaka Miyazaki.
>Elden Ring is a third-person action RPG with a fantasy setting
>The gameplay is not so far from Dark Souls.
>That doesn’t mean that the gameplay will be identical,
>but you could say that Elden Ring belongs to the same genre.
So no new Armored Core for awhile. However, looking at random shit, Daemon X Machina shares a producer from Armored Core 2 and 3, and got Shōji Kawamori to be a mechanical designer, so it might hit the spot? Don't own a switch, and as a rule, been avoiding pc ports of japanese console games, so wouldn't know.
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857e4e No.16871280
>>16863827
>tfw int/faith is S tier PVE but D tier PVP.
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82e5bf No.16871452
>>16859763
>What are you talking about specifically?
Beats me.
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c8f23d No.16871494
>>16871280
Have an INT squishy mage build on Dark Souls PTD:E, never got to cut Kalameet's tail to satisfy my autism and finish the DLC.
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4d73f4 No.16871831
>>16871494
I used unlocked casting to cut off Kalameets tail with crystal soul spear git gud.
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264a57 No.16882493
>>16863827
>disadvantage if you wear heavy armor
you wat
the winning formula is slipping into lapp or similar and equip ring of favor, havel ring and prisoner chain. Almost every other ring is hot garbage. You will never reach the weight limit, if you stick to light weapons, and there is no reason to use the heavier ones. Sure, they might work against some enemies. However, against anything else, including bosses and other players, you're definitely not in it to win it if you are not using a light weapon like a straight sword. Max out vigor and armor to win game.
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0fc5db No.16882500
>>16882493
The max amount of damage reduction you can get with the heaviest armor in Dark Souls 3 is around 60%
Since poise doesn't exist, bosses can just juggle you to death and all the points you wasted in increasing carrying capacity to wear that useless armor just goes to waste. Just wear leather shit and dump all points you were going to put into Vitality into Vigor.
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eef9a0 No.16882504
>>16859265
>I like build variety
>except the dark souls with the largest build variety because I don't own a gamepad
Well there's always bethesda games lol
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264a57 No.16882510
>>16882500
Vitality is far better than armor, indeed. But my point is that you barely have to upgrade Vitality anyways, since you can just equip some rings. Most other rings are useless anyways (I am repeating myself, I know)
As far as bosses goes, your build doesn't do much in terms of how you approach. Either you dodge and roll, or you cheese with ranged attacks.
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264a57 No.16882512
>Vitality is far better than armor, indeed
I meant Vigor
disregard that I am having a stroke
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61b485 No.16887340
Does anybody remember this parody Dark Souls guide, that explained all these mechanics that weren't even in the game, and made up all these different stats? I don't remember if it was all that funny, but I cannot for the life of me find it anywhere. It's like it vanished.
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2f17ce No.16887867
>dark souls 3
>build variety
There's a lot more to do in it than 1, but that doesn't mean the build variety is stronger, especially when armor is essentially useless, meaning the best builds you can make are the fastest ones
Dark souls 1 allows you to essentially do whatever you want with your stats and getting everything you want for it up to 50 is an easy feat, whereas in DS3 you have to spend a lot more time grinding for a lot less, and if you're building something you have to go all in, meaning minmaxing is more essential than it was in 1, especially with how all the stats were split.
For my two cents in the hat, I have to go with skyrim
This game is pretty much a meme and I don't give two shits about the story, but it lets me murderhobo pretty well. Granted, base game skyrim fucking sucks and all the stats are broken as shit, but pumping this corpse full of magic mods and making battle cleric a viable class is fun as hell.
>>16887340
>made up all these different stats
there are a lot of hidden numbers in dark souls, and if we're thinking about the same things it was not a joke.
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9904d2 No.16894726
>>16887867
No, it was an obvious parody that made up stats like "Determination", I actually just found it, it's Inferno's Parry Guide for DS3. But I swear there an even more bizarre video that implied there was locational damage for melee weapons, as in you could hit someone multiple times with one swing by hitting their head and both arms, so I'm trying to find that now.
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