No.2119277
Who is better? Amy or Clara.
All others are irrelevant.
also Donna a shit.
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No.2119282
>>2119277
Jenna Coleman is probably the cutest woman on TV. I bet she'll stay that way for a long time too.
Better pairing for Matt Shepherd's childishness/adventurousness. Amy was more like the adult in the room. Plus, Rory just got in the way.
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No.2119283
>>2119282
*Smith*. Not sure where "Shepherd" came from.
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No.2119286
>>2119277
I liked donna. Not as a waifu but because she didn't take shit from the doctor. She had a completely different relationship with the doctor than any other of his companions.
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No.2119287
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No.2119289
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No.2119300
>>2119289
They're skelletingtons, not even close to braphog material.
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No.2119312
>>2119277
>also Donna a shit.
You ruined your own thread before it began.
Amy is less of a "Mary Sue/most important woman in the universe" than Clara, though they're both pretty much identical since Moffat cannot write characters for shit, especially women.
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No.2119335
>not the new doctor
Wow you people are a bunch of racist fatphobes.
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No.2119337
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Look, if you pick anybody other than this sexy fucker then you're a faggot and you have Dr. Aids
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No.2119342
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No.2119347
If you don't have a talking penguin as your companion, you aint no Doctor to me.
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No.2119596
>>2119277
Clara was more of a personal waifu to the Doctor but I liked Amy better.
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No.2119663
Well, to nobodies surprise, Doctor Who's final episode of this season shits over itself that its Last Jedi levels of fuck you to the entire franchise. Ruin timelord lore and history and ending with Jodie Who going to prison by the Judoon. Doesn't look like Doctor Who will ever recover from this and it could get even worse in the next season.
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No.2119665
>>2119663
I gave up after the 11th Doc tbh. Not a true fan maybe. I know it'd all be downhill from there. Not even Clara with 12th grabbed me, even though I still liked her.
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No.2119672
>>2119663
Not even watching the Chinball era because it hurts me, but if they don't retcon this shit quick, they might legitimately kill the franchise forever.
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No.2119682
>>2119672
Boris will kill it first, by killing the BBC.
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No.2119683
>>2119682
It doesn't even really matter if it ends or goes on hiatus for a while. We've been there before. What matters is you don't tarnish the brand in the minds of fans, and we just went there pretty fucking hard. Draw it back, and the BBC can still sell books and merch and shit for decades to come. Otherwise, it might actually be over.
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No.2119686
Is Dr. Who actually worth watching at all? I did watch a bit of the first episode of the first season of the first series and while it was nice I didn't continue watching it. Should I pick it up again?
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No.2119691
>>2119686
A lot of DW is bad, so it really depends how much you connect with the core character and premise of the show and are willing to take the bad with the good.
The Big Finish audio dramas are strangely a lot more consistent on the whole.
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No.2119693
>>2119686
DW reboot up to end of Mat Smith is okay. David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston were good, but that's really dependent on writing and show running; sometime you just get a great actor like David Tennant. Mat Smith always reminded me of Peter Davison from DW classic (1963 to 1989).
I like Jodie Whittaker. I thought she was good in The Assets and Broadchurch. But I haven't seen current DW because I know I'm not going to like it because of the writing. It's not even sex change thing; they teased it in earlier seasons. I just don't think kids shows are good anymore. In the '80 the technology was too new, so you didn't get anything better than your first class of vector art. The '90 was good but the stuff was really more experimental because there was lots of new money around for the then new Internet, so people were hot to investment and fund more unconventional projects. Of course, I'm speaking internationally in the developed world. The from 2000 to 2010 we see fewer nice productions but that's not really a problem because most of those projects, due to the change in technology are just a matter of finding an Indi market, but they still don't have mainstream penetration. After 2010 politics changes and most writers are actually just critical race theory activists; born in the '90, then becomes the prevailing ideology that arts majors are indoctrinated in thought the '00s. Which leads us to now. The only remaining good projects are ones that don't have critical race theory attached to it. You could start to see the braxton and hicks of Critical Race in the '00s but I would say it hadn't hit metastasis yet, therefore being much more watered down.
Error Bar: My evaluation looks mostly at the ideological progression of cartoons; animated media. This is consistent with examining the trend in children-consumed content. The ideological issue is less prevalent in live action, usually adult media, as it is usually targeted at lulling people people to sleep and therefore can't really afford to be as ideological transparent for want of simple story lines and advertising breaks.
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No.2119695
>>2119693
The idea that a lot of this isn't even malicious, it's just that writers of a certain age don't regard what they're doing as even being political since they're so steeped in it, is probably the scariest thing.
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No.2119710
>>2119287
I can't deal with her accent, it's just unsexxy
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No.2119713
>>2119695
Yep, it's all just their idea of normalcy. Same reason why big tech doesn't see how biased they are.
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No.2119717
>>2119693
>After 2010 politics changes and most writers are actually just critical race theory activists
While this is true, I feel that this has always lingered in the background in jewish dominated media. Critical race theory was just them giving their hatred of the goyim a political shape and then spread far and wide in society. Go back in Western media to the 80s and 70s and you see the same patterns already laid down. Heck, go back to Weimar and you'll find more or less the same pozzfest as they're pushing now.
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No.2119737
>>2119713
How do you convince a person that what they're doing is wrong if they don't even know they're doing it? This is really the core of so much of the decay.
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No.2119744
>>2119737
Not that anon, but I think the time for arguments is over.
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No.2119746
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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/482191-woke-doctor-who-bbc/
>Chasing woke Twitter at the expense of quality is killing Doctor Who
>Between the introduction of a token minority Doctor and a BBC head doubling down on woke politics, ‘Doctor Who’ has problems. Bad writing is dragging the ratings down as the production team seems to slide into denial.
>Over the years, ‘Doctor Who’ has gone from being a British delight to a sci-fi serial enjoyed worldwide. With a strong revival of the series in 2005, the three memorable Doctors that followed became pop culture icons. Each actor delivered a unique version of the character, with Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant, and Matt Smith becoming huge stars as a result.
>Then, after the twelfth Doctor (played by Peter Capaldi) left the show, we were introduced to Jodie Whittaker’s thirteenth Doctor – advertised as a momentous historic event, because this would be the first time the character would be portrayed by a woman.
>Ticking that identity box proved insufficient. The thirteenth Doctor has brought in the worst ratings the programme has ever seen. Between this series and the last, ‘Doctor Who’ has seen its ratings fall faster than a village elder in the film ‘Midsommar’, and the results are just as grisly. In 2018, Doctor Who viewers numbered eight million. That figure is now much lower, with just under five million tuning in for the first part of the season finale last Sunday.
>This is coupled with a recent report that two of the Doctor’s companions are leaving the show. Both Bradley Walsh and Tosin Cole are said to be taking off after the holiday special amid these recent failings. Though ‘Doctor Who’ as a series isn’t a stranger to casting changes, this couldn’t come at a worse time for the programme. Even then, with the timing it’s not really beyond the pale to wonder whether or not this is a coincidence. Especially given BBC Head of Drama Piers Wenger’s recent comments on the show.
>Viewing numbers show how deep in denial he is about the show’s wellbeing. Better production values couldn’t matter less if the story isn’t interesting or you’re too busy with self-serving politics. The production values of the all-female ‘Ghostbusters’ weren’t what one would call lacking, but it didn’t deliver in quality. The same can be said of the recent ‘Charlie’s Angels’ reboot. The marketing was too focused on gaining points with Woke Twitter™ rather than presenting a story that’s interesting. So ‘Doctor Who’ has advertised a new female Doctor, who this time is also black, while remaining silent on the decline of its writing quality and ratings.
>Generally speaking, creative endeavors need focus. Whether it's television, film, comics, or video games, there needs to be a direction. If you worry too much about political messages or representation, the focus on quality simply isn’t there. Compare the dialogue, writing and acting in this scene from the episode 'Kerblam!' to that of the scene from 2005's 'Dalek', below [embedded]. In the former, the script is too concerned with making a boring speech about rich people to believably convey the tension of a bunch of characters waiting for a guy to commit genocide. In the latter, everything that’s going on has a purpose. There’s a reason for people to be inactive or active, there’s emotional impact, and the actors feel like they’re putting in effort. To put it simply, the second clip has a soul.
>The logic of the BBC is hard to follow. Piers Wenger can talk all day about the need for making things “contemporary,” getting upset when people use the word ‘woke’ to describe his decision-making. The fact of the matter is that you don’t need to make anything that is timeless into something contemporary. If you have a good story with good characters, you don’t need the next Doctor to be the first Asian transgender incarnation with a club foot. They can be one, but quality comes first.
>You just need to tell good stories. If that’s not your focus, you don’t belong in entertainment.
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No.2119750
>>2119746
It#s both reassuring and incredibly frustrating to see the mainstream finally start to get to where we were five years ago. Where have they been?
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No.2119755
>>2119750
This is the Russian mainstream, not the Western one. RT is literally funded by the Russian government, although it has gotten quite the readership in Europe and in the UK in particular. So I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet, but I was happy to read an article I even slightly agreed with about film and television.
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No.2119757
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>>2119755
In general, a lot of people finally coming round at least to a kind of 2014 era anti-SJW(but still basically Liberal)ism, and that's something at least.
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No.2119758
Sorry but it is Suki Marcae Cantrell.
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No.2119760
>>2119746
doctor who was created by a jew and the daleks are based on "nazis"so this show was always trash sorry anglos
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No.2119761
>>2119760
The Daleks being Nazis thing is total revisionism. Watch the original serial. It's just an allegory for cold war tensions. It's about two nuclear armed superpowers destroying each other in a war without end.
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No.2119764
>>2119757
Sure, I'm not sure it is at all useful due to the place where it is coming from and it's basically just enforcing the ideological framework that brought us to this point in the first place. People are pretty tired of it though, fertile ground for meaningful dissent that. So that dissatisfaction gives me hope by itself, even if the pushback doesn't.
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No.2119929
>>2119686
No. 80 percent of it is just bad TV scifi for kids that caught on with autists, manchildren, and tumblr. Old series are better overall, but not by that much. New series has some solid episodes, but vast majority of it is trash. People will shit at Moffat, but Russel T Davies was about the same quality wise. Most people jumped on during Davies era, so they just accepted his trash.
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No.2119963
>>2119929
Moffat was better than Davies. The Davies era is old enough that people are nostalgic for it now though. 60's, mid-70's, and Wilderness are the good eras, and Big Finish is better than the actual TV show ever was.
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No.2120998
>>2119929
RTD was never a good writer. Just look at his series finales, only the first two are good and even then Doomsday is completely carried by the emotional impact of Rose leaving, it wouldn't be good otherwise. But he was a good showrunner. He kept the writers under control and was able to shit out some pretty decent stuff himself - the mediocre episodes of that era are very inoffensive. The nostalgia certainly plays a part, you can see when they were trying to do the whole gay representation thing with Captain Jack, but it was ok because the other things in the show made up for it, and even in Jack's case he wasn't even a bad character. You had fun little things like the series "code word" too.
Moffat is the opposite. He actually has it in him to be a good writer, but he's an atrocious showrunner. He's only good at self-contained stories on a smaller scale. Hand him too much control and watch things go to shit as you realise that he cannot write characters (all the men are cucked soibois, the women bossy feministas, with no distinction between them), he cannot do story arcs (muh crack in the wall), cannot resist the urge to make every companion the most important girl ever (muh girl who waited, muh impossible girl, tbf this shit started with Donna too) and he absolutely cannot stop himself raping the lore. Because Moffat is a DW fan, he took his chance and incorporated his fanfiction into the show. Moffat's one redeeming feature was that he still didn't turbocharge the race stuff until his very last series, it was just gay stuff until then which was par for the course with DW. Chibnall is basically all the negatives of both RTD and Moffat without any of the positives.
Of course, DW has always been a liberal leaning show, so we shouldn't be surprised, but I would be very surprised if people look back on the current series in 15 years time with comfy nostalgia. It's just bad, man. No woke politics can change that. And it's also worth adding that "wokeism" is relatively new even within liberalism. Older liberals don't like it either. So here we are. I haven't watched DW in 6 years. I think it needs to die, and I'm not sure if there'll be another reboot with the way things are going.
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No.2120999
>>2119686
2005-2010(or 2013 if we're being generous) is worth watching.
Of the older series, just google the best episodes and watch those.
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