No.421514
A thread for discussing living card games, that is, all card games that use fixed distribution release schemes as opposed to the classic randomized distribution. This means the player always knows exactly what he's getting in each expansion, which also usually includes complete playsets of each card.
FFG's various versions are the most well-known, but I'm sure there must be others out there. I only know Plaid Hat Games has done a few, but I don't know much about them other than the fact that the company was made by a former Heroscape designer/the guy who owned Heroscapers.
L5R is pretty fun, I'm enjoying the Dragon jank. Or I would be, but I haven't played recently. I guess it's too complicated for my friends or something.
Technically, the phrase Living Card Game is trademarked by FFG, those goddamn hang-wringing semites.
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No.421516
>>421514
>the player always knows exactly what he's getting in each expansion, which also usually includes complete playsets of each card
So how does this differ from Magic? A player has access to every card in the game because of searchable spoilers, and they can acquire every card if they wanted to
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No.421522
>>421516
Not all that different if you put it like that. But if everyone did that, we wouldn't have pieces of cardboard valued at $20+, so here we are.
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No.421523
>>421516
The LCG model lessens the amount of work you have to do to get the cards you want and saves you some money. Card rarity and false scarcity bullshit may be the tradition with TCGs, but the only reason anyone tolerates it is because that's how it's been done for decades, and most long term TCG players have a battered wife syndrome mentality when it comes to forking over money on boosters and boxes.
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No.421544
I thought the L in LCG was for Limited.
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No.421565
>>421516
Here's what the FFG spin was.
Don't have to rely on lgs running drafts, trades with players, rampant speculation. Can pick up product straight from the company. If you're into the game, you can buy all the cards in the recent expansion for less then a playset of a popular mythic.
Here's where the problem is. They have even less incentive to support "legacy" formats. Because limited isn't really a thing, despite them trying, and driving consistent money towards the company. Their ability to have a "standard" that remotely makes sense is also shot. And they weirdly competed with themselves, and every new LCG they came up with split up the small amount of players giving their LCGs a chance.
And that's before you get into the fact that FFG makes WotC look like moderate conservatives with the politics they shoved into the games.
spent too much money on Android Netrunner, and that game made me decide not to buy anything by FFG ever again
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No.421626
>>421516
You get a full play set of 20 cards for $15 instead of one copy of one of those cards for $40.
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No.421646
>>421565
>And that's before you get into the fact that FFG makes WotC look like moderate conservatives with the politics they shoved into the games.
...can you elaborate how?
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No.421666
>>421646
It's all in the cards, and the lore released.
But my brain forced itself to forget what WotC did to the Orzhov. And that indian flavoured commie setting. They're probably even.
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No.421677
>>421666
I always kind of let Netrunner off the hook. It is supposed to be a dystopian cyberpunk setting; everything about the setting is supposed to play along with that "bad future" theme, so shoehorning lefty politics into it makes a degree of sense. It really amazes me just how little self-awareness these people actually have unless maybe that was their intention all along, but I doubt it.
Also, that was a pretty poor selection of cards to actually prove your point; all of them fit well with their factions' fluff. I thought you were going to post something more blatant like Financial Collapse.
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No.421715
>>421677
Pretty much this. Netrunner is set in a dystopian multiculti hellhole, so much of it fits. The cast consists almost entirely of powerful corporations and self-centered criminals in a bleak and shitty world all doing shitty things. Shit like Chaos Theory's BY THE WAY DID I TELL YOU ABOUT MY TWO DADS BECAUSE I HAVE TWO DADS AND THEY'RE GAY and inviting Leigh Alexander to write a shitty spinoff book is about the worst things ever got. Maybe it really would get worse later, but we will never know.
>It really amazes me just how little self-awareness these people actually have
Speaking of Leigh Alexander, her undying love of NBN never stopped being old to me. I honestly think that deep down she genuinely believes they are the "good guys" of the setting. To say it's lacking in self awareness is a bit of an understatement.
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No.421725
>>421666
>Human First
>radical luddite (some may say "terrorist") organization that seeks to help workers who's jobs have been displaced by robots and automation, sometimes by smashing a lot of machines
>their in-game representative is a laborer of Chinese descent who was laid off after losing a hand
>"The (((golems))) are the enemy, as well as anyone who values efficiency and (((profit))) over human life."
Not seeing any problems here.
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No.421726
>>421677
>Another card game with pozzed, out-of-touch developers
Glad I never started it then.
Bloody shame every developer has to push his pozz shit into my face.
Sorry to break it to you but interracial homosex couples aren't really that common and neither will they be in the future...well, maybe a dystopian one so it might fit with the setting :^)
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No.421738
>>421715
I get the feeling Leigh Alexander loves them primarily because NBN has always been good and it's easier to win games with them. I want to say NBN is my favorite, but I'm afraid it's because deep down I'm just a WAACfag.
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No.421742
>>421738
And you are completely wrong. She has stated that she is completely terrible at the game, with no interest in competition (as you would expect from someone like her...), and that it's the thematic elements she is in love with. No, it is actually kind of horrifying how she is, in a life imitating art sort of way.
This was many years ago, before the name became notorious. I remember listening to a podcast where she was a guest, wondering who this person even was, why she was a guest for some reason, and being kind of irritated that there was an interview with someone who didn't even like the game itself that much. It's only in retrospect that it became something so damning and painfully lacking in self awareness.
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No.421760
>called living card games
>but they're dead because no one plays them
also why would anyone designing one of these games not just make the rules so you have to go singleton when building a deck?
seems like the most sense to me
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No.421821
>>421715
>Pretty much this. Netrunner is set in a dystopian multiculti hellhole, so much of it fits. The cast consists almost entirely of powerful corporations and self-centered criminals in a bleak and shitty world all doing shitty things. Shit like Chaos Theory's BY THE WAY DID I TELL YOU ABOUT MY TWO DADS BECAUSE I HAVE TWO DADS AND THEY'RE GAY
Why couldn't it just say "parents" instead of explicitly "dads"?
I asked to elaborate because sometimes it is supposed to be degenerate. For example, the Brujah clan in VtM is all about rebelling.
>The Brujah's Compulsion is that the vampire takes a stand against whatever or whomever they see as the status quo in the situation, whether that is their leader, a viewpoint expressed by a potential vessel, or just the task they were supposed to do at the moment.
So [current year] activists and commies like Damsel aren't drifting too far from the original vision but I think that a non-pozzed writer would have fixed that by having a section of Brujah accuse those as being posers and I don't just mean the antitribu.
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