No.420284 [View All]
>just found out about Song Dragons
>all-female dragons who shapeshift into attractive women
>seduce human men to reproduce
>gain wealth by fucking evil men and killing them after they're in the will
>could fail and be killed/mind controlled before they off him
Post the fucked up shit Ed Greenwood has put in Forgotten Realms canon. A reliable source for the shit that is claimed to be in Ed Greenwood's contract (everything he says is canon, they must publish X material by him a year) when selling the setting to TSR would also be nice too.
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No.422397
>>422390
BG was toned down in presentation, but indeed the Forgotten Realms are degenerate in content and WotC can never go against his declarations for the setting
Its popularity is no doubt helped in part by there being plenty of opportunities to seal the adult stuff behind closed doors while heroes are off heroing
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No.422423
So why exactly did FR get so popular? I've mostly run or played homebrew settings so I might just be woefully uneducated, but what does forgotten realms offer? It always looked like a generic and uninspired fantasy world which definitely has it's value if you just want a fantasy adventure, but why not just use Greyhawk for that? Why have Baldur's gate/Neverwinter nights set in FR if just a few tweaks could make them perfectly ok for a Greyhawk setting?
Basically, I'm just wondering what FR offers to WotC that they would keep pushing a generic fantasy setting with which they are beholden to Ed Greenwood rather than their own generic fantasy setting? I mean at this point FR might have more name recognition because of the video games and novels, but why let it get to that point?
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No.422426
>>422423
Im afraid it got popular because it is generic. People have certain expectations when going into a game. Besides, it's easier to explain FR than Spelljammer to normalfags who only know Tolkien through cultural osmosis.
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No.422432
>>422426
I get that part, I'm just wondering why WotC would put so many resources into this generic fantasy setting rather than a generic fantasy setting they have complete control over.
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No.422436
>>422432
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I doubt they are making any less money than they could because of the setting, so there's no real reason for them to change it. Why create something that you have complete control over when leeching on something already created works just as fine?
As for your initial question on why they let it get so big in the first place, I guess it just kinda happened. At first it was some setting that people kinds liked, then there was more and more fluff and then novels on it and it just sold well.Completely talking out of my ass here, just assumptions Of course they'd push something that sells well so more people, who are possibly just as eager to buy products from it, learn about the setting. I guess the fact that it was still more of a setting owned by them than blackmoor or greyhawk helped too.
So now that it is an established setting, it can also be used to attract people. There's Forgotten realms novels and vidya since the late eighties and those people will want to read about the setting when they join for a new edition, as will any fans of the setting from older editions and even anons who merely read the newer books to shit on them on the internet.
How would they even do it if they decide to create a new setting. What could possibly draw people towards it?
>Look, a new generic fantasy setting!
<Why not just use the already established generic setting FR instead? You got the rights, unlike Paizo for example.
>But look at all the interesting places and characters we got.
<FR already has tons of them and while a new setting has only a limited page count when it first get's published FR has already decades of material.
>No actually, since this is a new setting you'll have much more freedom to insert your own stuff!
<Then why not just create your own setting instead of buying one? Or just take the parts of a FR you like and ignore the rest, which might happen anyways unless the DM is a FR expert.
>But we did a few original things in our generic fantasy setting! Then why make a generic medieval fantasy setting and not go for something somewhat more original. Like what Eberron did for example? Which didn't sell as well because it wasn't as generic or well known (remember, both are aspects that help getting people into it fast).
I just think it's more profitable for them to keep it the way it is.
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No.422437
>>422390
Would you doubt /tg/ telling the truth or the extent some sjw creep would bring magical realms into their games and go even further when they practically own the game setting. Although to be honest I've never heard about this stuff before and I was reading most of the tabletop material for 3E. And I'm fairly I would remember orgies, bisexual ladies and elves, and the national industry being dickings. I never touched the novels so maybe that's why I was spared the faggotry.
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No.422459
>>422426
But why Toril over Oerth?
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No.422463
>>422459
Toril is superior, time has proven that.
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No.422466
>>422397
There was a statement I heard that I think of when something more mainstream gets corrupted.
"That which is embraced by everybody is valued by nobody."
It is another way of describing the tragedy of the commons or in this case the tragedy of the popular.
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No.422495
>>422459
It's a high fantasy setting and more fantastical overall; more wizards, more dragons, more magic items, more chances of poofy pink clouds of magic suddenly erupting anywhere that isn't the capital of Amn
in comparison, Oerth is relatively low fantasy, with wizards being ostensibly rare (player characters are an exception of course), magic items being a great find instead of something you trip over, and dungeons being largely the former domains of ancient sorcerers of great power and the like which further underscores how rare magic is when history shows that someone who actually manages to accumulate power inevitably goes and makes a few dungeons with it
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No.422516
Can someone preschool what the fuck the Abeir part of Abeir-Toril is?
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No.422520
>>422516
Long story short: In ages past, there were two continents, Abeir and Toril. Magic shit happens, and Abeir disappears so only Toril remains. Then more Magic shit happens, Abeir returns in 4e, and now you have dragonborn.
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No.422530
>>422520
That sounds fake and gay... so yeah. I'll believe it.
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No.422532
>>422423
>what does forgotten realms offer?
ALL the fucking. It's also something that you know is 'good enough' when you need to get a session up and running quickly or can't be bothered to put the time in to cook up your own setting.
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No.422626
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No.422643
>>422516
Abeir is basically the New World(America), while Toril is the Old World(Europe, Asia, Africa).
Eons ago the Gods fought with Elemental Titans until the Supreme Deity Ao had enough of their bullshit.
He split the world in two, made the New World Abeir its own dimension and gave it to the Elemental Titans, meanwhile the Gods got the Old World Toril.
One major difference between Abeir beside that it has no religion, is that its overrun by Dragons because there is no Dragon Religion(Bahamut/Tiamat) to divide them.
When Forgotten Realms changed from 3rd to 4th Edition Wizards of the Coast had a great world changing event for the Setting, in which the Goddess of Magic got killed(again) and as a result magic went crazy and the two worlds were connected again.
Forgotten Realms got the Dragonborn as a playable race, who are basically slaves that escaped from the cotton plantations owned by Dragons in Abeir.
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No.422728
>>422516
Way I heard it, originally, Abeir-Toril was the full name of the planet on which the Forgotten Realms is set, to ensure it would be the first word of any setting glossary. However, in-universe, only sages knew the name and everybody just called it "Toril", and so the fans did the same.
When 4e rolled around, WotC decided that since the population of people who cared about Abeir's true nature was, in their estimage, "fuck all", they decided to repurpose the word and made it into the name of Toril's planetary twin, which was ruled over by the Primordials (who hadn't existed in earlier editions) and was thus home to wide populations of genasi and dragonborn, allowing for both races to be introduced when the Spellplague caused chunks of both planets to be exchanged for each other.
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No.422729
>>422432
In fairness, in addition to what >>422436 said, they also *tried* doing that in 4th edition, with Points of Light/Nentir Vale/Nerath World.
Problem is, 5e is literally the "we threw out EVERYTHING that was in 4e, we promise, so please come back to us, pretty please?!" edition and so they dropped Nentir Vale alongside the vast majority of other good ideas that 4e had, like sorcerers not being bargain basement knock-off wizards or races having a concise and mechanically strong template for design.
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No.422733
>>422729
>Problem is, 5e is literally the "we threw out EVERYTHING that was in 4e, we promise, so please come back to us, pretty please?!" edition and so they dropped Nentir Vale
Not seeing how this is a problem.
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No.422752
>>422729
Points of Light is a shitty and lazy form of making a setting.
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No.422760
>>422752
It's a method of worldbuilding for newby game masters to develop a barely civilized wilderness for newby players to adventure in. Only faggots and spergs think think that newby tools used by newbies to create newby content is shitty and lazy.
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No.422883
>>422459
Because they already have turned Oerth into a big trash heap for all and any lame crap back during 3.0, so they had to find another place to dump the rest of it. Also, Gygax was chased out before 2.0 and died before 4e, so quality of materials for Oerth is going to be "Pelor of Burning Hate" grade at best, and "shadow bo badow" level at worst. While Greenwood is still around to wipe these babies' drool, and in case he'd go play with Gygax, they still have tons of materials received from him, but never published.
It's not going to get better anywhere else anytime soon, because "for some reason" good authors and designers don't run into D&D anymore, only out.
>>422729
>Problem is, 5e is literally the "we threw out EVERYTHING that was in 4e
It's not a problem. It's a solution. But incomplete, since not EVERYTHING 4e was thrown out and forgotten, so 5e still smells of brain farts from the mighty crew of Bear Lore and DURR-CLANG.
The problem is, Mearls and 99 other woke monkeys with keyboards got more smug rather than walking the plank over a pit of catnip-crazy copycats and fiendish underdark acid sharks.
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No.422886
>>422760
I fail to see how Points of Light is a newbie gamemaster tool, unless you mean it's a newbie worldbuilding tool. Points of Light requires some imagination and judgement to design something that makes sense something a newbie GM may already have, mind you, while prefab settings just require you to read 100 pages tops to run a campaign in them. I dunno, to me that seemed one of the only decent idea 4e had.
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No.422889
>>422886
>I fail to see how Points of Light is a newbie gamemaster tool
Then you're not smart enough to be a DM.
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No.422890
>>422889
Instead of being a smug cunt, you may elaborate on your asspull answer.
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No.422900
>>422890
Use that lump three feet above your ass a think about how a setting long and hard (I know, it's difficult when you're so used to being short and limp) about how a setting makeup of "Lots of danger, but with a perfectly safe home base" would be easy for a newby GM to place precon adventures into.
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No.422901
>>422319
I want to have sex with this food, Ed Greenwood or not
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No.422904
>>422900
>Lots of danger, but with a perfectly safe home base
Thar can be pretty much every other generic fantasy setting. Your point? You are also conveniently ignoring Nentir Vale has several safe cities and settlements, so characters can still travel between them and basically show the middle finger to your newbie GM hub world.
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No.422977
>>420285
as someone who is just getting into tabletop and whose dnd takes all came from crpgs like neverwinter nights and a few novels, this thread has been illuminating.
for what it's worth, this dudes books were what got me interested, and the frequent mentions of sex/nudity was a big part of the draw (this was during my teens).
The setting seemed really novel to me specifically because almost none of the sexual taboos from real life seemed to have carried over and while it was always a very tiny part of the books (from what I remember it was mostly just mentions of someone being naked or brothels being a common feature).
I've read a lot of other fantasy but it usually fails to adequately reprsent sex for my tastes. When the author just pretends it doesn't exist or too minor an aspect to mention - which comes of as either fake or unrelatable - as in 'really, this dude travels with this hot babe he just met. they fight togher, they camp together - sexual situations just never come up and are not part of their group dynamics? That doesn't seem human'
When authors do include sex, there is almost always very noticeable influences from real world religions and considerations that guided social taboos. (ie. contraceptives and disease control is far easier due to magic - but casual sex still highly frowned upon?)
anyway - I got over Greenwood's setting because most books really clung to his set of Marty and Mary Sues, but overall I love that this pervert got to spread his fantasy to so many minds.
After him, all other settings that don't include sufficient amount of sexuality just feel half baked
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No.422984
>>420315
Someone please, send this to some christian talk show. I want a satanic panic revival
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No.422991
>>422752
Maybe, but as a setting a lot of the ideas were actually pretty interesting
>set just after the fall of the great human empire, leaving behind a series of city states and loads of abandoned assets where there exists no law beyond the walls of cities
>everything in D&D, even campaign setting specific stuff, exists
>most "good" monsters are almost as dangerous to humanity as the evil ones so humanity depends on the heroes
>gods can be worshiped as part of wildly different aspects so your selfless hero and evil cultist might actually worship the same god
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No.423062
>>422904
Points of Light wasn't ever intended to be a "Setting". It was a model to build your own setting around, that the 4E team ended up building a setting around. Why are you being so actively retarded?
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No.423063
>>423062
The initial premise was "Points of Light is for newbie GM". Points of Light is a worldbuilding toolkit/framework. Newbie GM do not worldbuild. Why are YOU being obtuse?
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No.425872
>>420284
There's a festival ritual celebrating the violent murder of a female elven cleric who was killed in animal form by rich noble and died entering an Inn with arrows in her back by Nobles in a race who reenact it butt-naked horse riding, then having to bath in the tavern and a few other things along the lines of tags under female exhibitionism.
Winner gets free drinks for a year and the legal right to avoid marriages of convenience to suck as much cock or eat as much pussy as they want, because of a blessing or something.
Really, you can never trust anything when the subject of a 'revel' comes up in FR, it's either a party, orgy, or both.
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No.425883
This reappeared in January, so where's DnD 5.5? ;}
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No.425940
>>420284
Was that chad-zak thing about pregnant drow women orgasming when their unborn twins and triplets kill each other written by Greenwood?
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No.425942
>>425940
Where it's even from?
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No.425950
>>425942
Flesh For Lolth: The Secret Life of Dark Elves in (Dragon #298) by Robin D. Laws.
So not from Greenwood, but some other wierdo.
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No.425951
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No.425953
>>420284
What kind of fucking loser would want to bang a dragon that looks like a human instead of the real deal?
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No.425954
>>425953
According the the phenomenal cosmic laws of the outer planes, people who are so evil they generate evil radiation from babyrape. Can't fuck that dragon unless you want every paladin in the neighbourhood hunting you like a lich.
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No.425955
>>425954
Bestiality is fucking something that is not sapient, or otherwise of significantly lesser intelligence than you, so doing a dragon is fine.
The bigger concern here is whether or not fucking a human'd constitute bestiality, for a dragon.
Though, looking at what you post there, it doesn't seem dragons really give a fuck.
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No.425957
>>425955
They do in Eberron. They went into genocide mode just to destroy the spawn of such a union. Half-dragons in Eberron are largely minions "blessed" by Tiamat rather than birthed.
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No.426027
My favorite was the Cursed Girdle of Gender Change.
Cursed? Ha. I wouldn't ever take the damn thing off. Sue me.
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No.426029
>>426027
Even if it was a chastity belt ?
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No.426056
>Decide too read some stories on the wizard archive-
>One by this guy
>MFW my fucking Worm that Walks & Lich sex shitpost is actualy canon
Holy shit greenwood, what the fuck.
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No.426131
>>426056
Your fucking what? Share that shit please.
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No.426141
>>422733
Because mixed in with all the utter garbage 4e actually added a few sensible band aid fixes for longtime D&D problems that 5e suffers from.
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No.426159
>>420284
just make your own setting, anon.
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No.426212
He wrote elfs of alfhime for mystara and local game store owner told him shut the fuck up at a con when he was behind him at a panel saying he is better then this panalist. I think the panelist was aaron allston.
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