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No.14007
>>12506
>>12508
I'd say he sort of is, but more in the sense he's very in control of his anger and hatred. It's more focused and tamed anger rather than reckless rage like nuStar Wars does for it's villians.
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No.14046
>>13326
Very hamfisted political allegory, the nastiest storytelling meme there is.
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No.14053
>>14046
Welcome to the world of our autistic boy George.
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No.14059
>implying fascist imperiums are the bad guys
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No.16473
>>10885
>Anakin Skywalker turned to the dark side because of initially selfless intentions: he wanted to save his wife
i can tell you haven't read Stovers Revenge of the Sith
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No.16485
>>10900
fuck off with this shit and play KOTOR where you realize the force in general sucks, too much of either side kills you, and both the jedi and sith are assholes
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No.16497
>>4227
>you will never be a darksider content with collecting sith artifacts in a cozy hiding spot on one of the grave worlds, performing experiments and compiling information to your heart's content with only the occasional interference from some dweeb jedi
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No.16601
Is there any difference between a Sith who attains power to achieve a goal and a Sith who attains power for the sake self-betterment and becoming more powerful? Is one considered lesser for using Sith teachings to attain power in order to do something (save the Republic ala Revan) rather than using it only for yourself?
I apologize for the stupid question
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No.16602
>>16601
Well, you have Jedi, and you have Sith, but then you also have Dark Jedi, and a bunch of fence sitters or special snowflake parties. The whole point of the Sith is that they tend to go pretty overboard for their goals. Maybe the goal can be enough to be "better", but there is no such thing as a Sith being happy with just one goal. There's always another goal, and all goals seem to be larger than the last. It's an impulse thing.
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No.16603
>>16601
I would wager that you wouldn't be considered 'lesser' for obtaining some alternate goal (even Sheev went out of his way to make sure the Empire was a competently-run, functional entity, darkside-spawned superweapons notwithstanding), as long as you don't put completing that goal above your personal quest for power. Once your pet project starts getting in the way of enhancing your own abilities it turns into a weakness that holds you back from your true potential.
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No.16604
>>16603
>>16602
I see now thanks. Also, how does Nihilus fit into the Sith philosophy? He seems to be more of an eldritch being in nature rather than anything similar to say Darth Sion. Did he just get lumped in with the rest?
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No.16614
>>16604
Nihilus is something of an anomaly, as he was created in a one-in-a-trillion freak accident; you're quite correct in calling him an eldritch being. I still think it's fair to call him Sith, because he exploits his aberrations to their fullest extent, and uses them to attain more power. However, you could also argue that Nihilus's addiction to consuming others through the Force was a weakness in and of itself, and thus a violation of the Sith code, in spite of the power it may bring–a combination juicer and cocaine junkie might be stronger and faster than an MMA fighter, but his dependency on those things also makes him erratic and a slave to those substances.
And on the gripping hand, you could say that all Sith similarly fall prey to addiction, just to a lesser extent. Prolonged use of the dark side of the Force makes the user addicted to the negative emotions on which they draw to sustain power, eventually to the point that their sadistic desires, while increasing their potency in the Force, decreases their power in other respects. To use the example from before, take Sheev. Palpatine was incredibly cunning and went to great pains to make sure that his rule was not just accepted but greeted with thunderous applause. But his continued drawing on the dark side and negative emotions is what drove him to construct the Death Stars, whose capability for wanton destruction greatly satisfied the Sith in him, but ultimately proved to be the downfall of his Empire. The construction and destruction of the first one is what gave the Rebellion legitimacy and prompted an awful lot of planets to join them, most notably Mon Calamari. Even discounting that, the Death Stars were a very large resource sink, one that could have gone into making legions of Star Destroyers, or into makework infrastructure projects on developing worlds, to serve as propaganda bolstering the stability, order, and competence of the new Empire; but all of that potential political/military gain was sacrificed for Forceful gain in power. So, instead of Nihilus's addiction being a weakness that worked against the Sith, perhaps it's just Sith doctrine brought to its logical conclusion–a constant quest for more and more power that inevitably collapses under its own weight. Which scenario is the most accurate? You be the judge.
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No.16625
>>16614
Thanks for the new LOSS
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No.16633
>>16601
We have several Sith like that. Palpatine falls into that category pretty well, blending goals of personal power with the incidental goal of making a shit government better and forming something solid to set his laurels on.
The one thing that fucks up most Sith though is no goal is enough. Given the order's entire ideology boils down to "Evolve or perish", they always have to keep going up. Staying in one place is stagnation and stagnation is fatal in the eyes of a typical Sith. Palpatine was an outlier in that he sought a strongly ordered government built around laws, whereas traditional Sith followed a more survival of the fittest collective mentality (many blamed the old Sith's failures on them starting a conventional government in the first place), but he too fell victim to that mentality. You can never be content as a Sith, because to them being content is stop evolving, and that means stagnation, which means your death. So it's why we see the Empire in its late years go from being a sensible organization with a clear purpose into something slowly bloating, with Palpatine becoming increasingly paranoid of stagnation and doing more and more to solidify his power. I think it's why he became so obsessed with getting Luke on his side. He'd spent a decade or more doing nothing but stewing in his own paranoia, as he didn't know where else to go, and a Sith without a clear path to ascend is like a frantic animal. Getting to turn Luke became his new goal, and what he saw as the evolutionary step he needed to take.
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No.16640
>>16614
Every member of the Sith Triumvirate was a massive deconstruction like everything else in KotOR II and at least half of what Chris Avelone has ever written. They were all brought low and in the end ironically undone by the same dark means that gave their powers and epithets.
Nihlus' hunger for power in and of itself resulted in him becoming something terribly powerful indeed but robbed him of the will or ambition to do anything other than feed his hunger. He became like the xenomorphs in the Aliens franchise: Terribly intelligent yet in motive and inclination an animal. He still had all of his knowledge and his memories of the past but his waking existence was simply dedicated to devouring more of the Living Force.
>>16601
The former always become the latter in the end. The most "enlightened" and gifted Sith eventually realize that power doesn't have to be justified. The pursuit of greater power is the only goal there has to be. It's how many converts to Sith teachings start off and how many Sith who think they'll end up differently try to anchor themselves. Eventually, however, that guiding beacon of an alternative goal is subsumed by the quest for unlimited power.
Revan turning to the Dark Side to rescue the Republic is just Kreia's rationalization. There's no reason to accept it as the truth instead of the abundance of habit evidence among the Sith and Dark Jedi in the lore that he simply became corrupt and wanted power over others.
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No.18663
So what is the difference between a dark Jedi and a Sith? Both seem pretty similar in terms of behavior, but yet they are considered different. What about the Sith philosophy makes them different and the Sith to be considered the more dangerous of the two? Other than the Rule of Two, which is more out of practicality then anything else.
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No.18670
>>18663
The Sith have a specific ideology centered around might makes right and building personal strength. Dark Jedi is a catch-all term for dark side users that don't follow the Sith, so what they believe is a lot more varied. Usually they end up being selfish fucks, who'll use the Force to acquire wealth or make life more convenient, but without the ambition and predilection for power that Sith have. Also unlike Sith, Dark Jedi won't necessarily scoff at indulging vices, but that again varies from one to the other because Dark Jedi isn't a coherent philosophy. The Sith would be considered more dangerous becasue they're single mindedly focused on acquiring more power, and as a result have a much deeper understanding of the dark side.
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No.18803
>>18670
Dark jedi= pussy nihilist
Sith = chad
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No.18898
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No.18933
>>18803
Virgin Nihilist is more fitting. Fuck it. I'm going to make a virgin vs chad edit out of this.
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No.25030
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No.25036
>>4231
I liked Kylo and Snoke but it's not obvious to me whether I'm reading the point of their dynamic correctly. As I saw it, they're meant to show that the doctrines of the Sith are built into the nature of the dark side itself–without either of them knowing what they're doing, they've recreated the Sith structure where the apprentice kills the master as his final test. Kylo thinks he's doing something new the entire time and Snoke never expects his apprentice to turn on him.
The problem is that all this stuff about the Sith comes from non-movie sources. The only time we see a Sith apprentice killing his master in the movies is Anakin killing Palpatine, and that has a totally different context (when you add the EU it becomes an ironic twist on Sith practice which is great, but there's no hints toward that in the movies). I have no reason to think Rian Johnson knew or cared about the details of what the Sith were in the EU. For all I know it was just more subverting expectations where he expected the audience to think Kylo would be redeemed and then pulled a twist out of his ass, and the resemblance to the Sith is coincidental.
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No.25054
>>25036
That actually never occurred to me, good observation.
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No.25056
>>4227
Jedi > Sith, unironically.
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No.25076
How does one get a qt Sith gf? I want to torture slaves and put uppity officers in their place with her.
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No.25082
>>18933
>>25076
You don't get her, she gets you, anon.
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No.25088
>>25082
Does she reverse rape you?
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No.25133
>>25076
I heared somewhere that Sith pureblood women respect strenght. Do you have that?
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No.25143
>>25088
Well Hitler, you clearly and enthusiastically seem to want it to happen, so even a Gatalentan court would have trouble calling it rape.
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No.25148
>>25133
I don't have strenght, but I do have strength :^)
>>25143
No, not regular rape, reverse rape. You know, where the woman forces herself on a man who's only pretending to resist.
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No.25155
>>25148
>pretending
She's a Sith, you dumb nigger. She'll figure out what you're doing, then, for your insolence, Force torture your body and mind so hard you'll be a mewling wreck begging for death. She will then rape you instead, bringing you to even greater heights of terror and pain, before leaving you to be a brokenminded plaything.
When motivated, the Sith can be as bad as the Dark Eldar. Guess what can motivate a Sith.
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No.25162
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No.25205
Tbh I always had these autistic daydreams of being a Sith when I was in younger. Controlling the Dark Side, shooting lightnings out of my fingers on my schoolmates, for fun, fighting epic duels with my lightsaber, having a badass Imperial Fleet to destroy my school starship to travel with etc. Damn, I have to go back to play SWTOR…
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No.25206
>>25205
We've all had those thoughts, anon.
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No.25213
>>25205
I wanted to be a jedi like Yoda and live on a swamp as a child…
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No.25500
>>25205
Yeah, I think we all have autism.
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No.25505
>>25205
I use to imagine force choking the teacher or some faggot then killing pretty much the whole class with a lightsaber. I probably would have become a temple shooter if I had access to a elegant weapon instead of just guns.
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No.25508
>>25206
>>25505
>>25205
>>25206
Speak for yourself.
Sheesh, I just wanted more adventures with Grand Admiral Thrawn and Godzilla as a kid. I didn't even factor in my rotten classmates. You faggamuffins had have? issues.
>>25213
Now see, that there is a healthy psyche. If a touch masochistic by accident.
>>25500
This we can agree on, double dubsman.
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No.25511
>>25206
I just wanted a comfy corellian YT-series freighter to live on while I explored the galaxy. Or a GR9 because that one could hold a fighter or two. not that having force powers to fuck with your enemies wouldn't be nice
>>25500
The real autism is having made up some bullshit alternate timeline as the backstory with Clone and Stormtrooper action figures battling each other. cross-era battles in Star Wars games never ever
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No.25517
>>25508
In my defense, I didn't think about my rotten classmates specifically. I just wanted to be a cool guy who force powers and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>25500
Thirded.
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No.25524
>>25511
Why on earth would you have a filthy rustbucket like that when you could have a Decimator or Fury class?
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No.25526
>>25511
If I was going to cruise through space I'd like something like the Night Caller–a pocket carrier that can punch above her weight class with a squadron of mercenary pilots to back her up. Just jump from one planet to another doing mercenary work, escort jobs, maybe some smuggling here and there…
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No.25553
>>25524
Fury class is the default choice for any self-respecting Sith Lord.
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No.26931
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May the Cheese be with you!
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No.26932
>>26931
It's actually not too bad, though the acting and effects can be somewhat hit and miss.
I'm actually surprised that the EU didn't have more stories set immediately after ROTS considering the potential there was with Vader and the Empire's earliest days. Seeing Vader be openly broken is something I haven't seen before to any large extent.
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No.26933
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>>26932
Speaking of EU and that period, were those two black-clad Imperial Guard what I think they were?
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No.26935
>>26931
The acting is pretty weak, but this actually feels more like Classic and EU Star Wars than anything Disney has made. Hell I enjoyed that more than anything by disnye.
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No.26958
>>26933
I thought that was just the lighting being dark. Rewatching it, I guess that actually is the color of the costumes- given that they have guards with red armor in an earlier scene. I suppose it actually could be Shadow guards, though they didn't seem to have the saberstaffs.
>>26935
Practically anything would be better than the disney trilogy and solo, so it really isn't surprising.
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No.27169
>>26931
So is disney actually considering this to be part of their actual cannon?
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No.27170
>>27169
Hell no. If anything they'll shut it down if it gains too much traction and they see that the guy's patreon is going up too high. Also this version of Vader is too close to his EU incarnation than his Disney/Marvel incarnation so they'd never let this in.
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