No.2986 [Last50 Posts]
New The Last Jedi Trailer!! yay
>This is not going to go the way they think…
>just let it die in the past already.
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No.2987
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No.2988
>>2986
>>Luke on Falcon
>>Tie Fighters and X-Wings
>>Princess Leia
So by the numbers it looks like nothing was learned by ep7. I've been trying to think of aspects which nu-SW is unable to do and one interesting thing I think is that: In the new Star Wars there isn't any complex organizations or groups, everyone is an individual going their own way. Though there doesn't seem to be an Empire there seems to be no government in general at all. It seems very hard to wrap this in the story as characters get no direction from others to accomplish something. This effect comes off to me as lazy writing only writing for the story itself, Star Wars was never about that George would think about the nature of a planet moving the characters into a lived in place. These writers are only thinking about moving the characters through places, everything feels so dead. Its like nobody lives in the galaxy anymore, all the scenes don't have anyone in them but our main characters and their accessories.
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No.2991
>>2988 (force checked)
why would you expect them to somehow learn? rian johnson could make it good if he were given the proper reigns and freedom, but he has to abide by whatever dumbass rules the story group set down, which generally consist of:
- diversity
- rey being a stronk wymn
- trump bashing
- bad guys being so obviously bad
- diversity
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No.2993
>This is not going to go the way you think!
For just a second, that line made me think maybe Rey will get her ass kicked by Kylo or not-Sheev, but they'd never do that. The sycophants who love her would riot in the streets.
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No.2995
>>2991
Honestly, it's not that hard to show off diversity in the Galaxy. There's literally thousands of species you can have walking, shambling, slithering, or flying around. But no. That would require them to understand the setting.
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No.3021
Pretty lighting effects. Better trailer than its predecessors, but that's passing a pretty low bar. Snoke is the most interesting figure.
Daisy is still glowering at the camera like a frustrated chimpanzee. Porgs remain nauseatingly transparent merchandise cancer. No proof of culture or civilization outside of war zones. It's November and the fact that they're still being so cryptic speaks to a lack of confidence.
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No.3158
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No.3159
>>3158
>the source is 4chan…
archive.fo/ijXgz
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No.3161
>>3159
Good Lord, how lame and confusing.
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No.3164
>>3159
Sounds too good to be true. Actual movie will be an ESB remake.
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No.3165
>>3164
>Sounds too good to be true.
What are you smoking? It sounds like complete trash - an actualy shot for shot remake of ESB would be better.
Needless to say I won't be watching any of the nuWars films in the foreseeable future ever.
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No.3166
>>3159
Oh god, if it's true this is fanfiction-tier writing.
Also Snoke is now a sith and his identity won't be revealed until Ep IX? That fucking Mystery Box…
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No.3168
>>3159
>ooga booga kills pointless addition making said pointless addition even more pointless and less interesting than it already was. . . .
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No.3169
>>3159
Only good thing to come out of this tripe is pic related. Personally, I like their designs.
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No.3170
>>3169
>the only good thing to come out of this tripe
>implying any of it is good
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No.3171
>>3169
>Only good thing to come out of this tripe is pic related.
<Personally, I like their designs.
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No.3176
>>3171
>>3170
Explain to me how their designs are bad? As I said, the only thing I like is their designs. I hate the film just as much as you faggots but I can acknowledge something I like.
I never said their designs are the best—personally I prefer the older guards.
Actually, this might be the only time in a while we see actual bladed weapons again. Are they vibroblades or some nu-alloy?
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No.3177
>>3176
Not one of the previous posters, but…
I don't really like their helmets, they make zero sense and look like badly made parts from a 3d printer. They also have this silly looking over the top samurai vibe to them that seems out of place. The lobster arms just seem weird. Weapons are comically large with too much added junk on them.
The Royal Guard just seemed more practical and less "showy". They just went with the basic sinister looking cloaked figure style. Looking more like proper body guards and less like Chinese circus performers.
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No.3179
>>3176
>Explain to me how their designs are bad?
The armour parts look like cheap vac-u-formed pieces made by a cosplayer. They lack details, it might have been ok in the OT but not in [current year] where everything is in high resolution (even Lucas understood that, see the costumes in the prequels).
I have the same issue with JJ's redesign of the stormtrooper armour. I would've liked to see more details on the stormtroopers armour; ID, rank, a color for each squad (like in Clone Wars), shoulder patches.
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No.3184
>>3176
well, let's start with the obvious royal guard ripoff going on here. second, why is their armor designed like scales? they aren't lizards or dragons. third, those helmets look impractical as fuck, and the weapons look full-on retarded, also i'm not entirely certain but i do believe vibroblades were added to the jew canon, though they certainly aren't the ones we know and love.
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No.3185
Not >>3176 and I have no love for nu-SW, but I also like the royal guard designs. Alot.
Their design is reminiscent of late 70's~early 80's sci-fi aesthetics, where everything was harshly angular, blocky, and looked like it was made of sheet metal. Naturally, EpIV was a huge inspiration to this "new" look in spaceships & robots. So I guess what goes around comes around. Also:
< A S T H E T I C S
>>3184
>those helmets look impractical as fuck
Don't go down the "realism" hole unless you want your argument to devolve into "It's impractical to have the cockpit off to one side of the Falcon!" or "There's no sound in space!" In cinema, rule of cool is still king.
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No.3186
>>3176
>Explain to me how their design plastic armor is bad?
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No.3187
>>3185
>Don't go down the "durr realism, just turn your brain off lol xD" hole unless you want your argument to devolve into "It's impractical to have the cockpit off to one side of the Falcon!"
<"It's impractical to have the cockpit off to one side of the Falcon!"
>Don't go down that hole
No, let's.
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No.3188
>>3187
>Glaring white armor.
>Helmets hard to see through.
>No visible markings.
>Can't shoot straight besides being the most feared soldiers in the galaxy.
Man, I hate the original trilogy because those Stormtrooper outfits were impractical as fuck.
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No.3189
>>3187
>Posts the exception to the norm of 99.99999% of planes ever built.
>It's only good at reconnaissance.
>But still beaten at that job by other planes because said planes weren't blind on their left side.
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No.3202
>>3185
oh i'm sorry, i forgot fighting with a helmet that has a fuckin graduation hat built-in was combat ready. meanwhile the other two look like devo ripoffs. also judging by comparisons, i'm not sure they can even see? pics related are practical. this new shit isn't.
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No.3203
>>3202
and i'll add that yeah rule of cool does apply first, and nothing about these new designs are cool.
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No.3205
>>3188
>No visible markings.
What was that about "Glaring white armor"?
>Helmets are hard to see through.
Holy shit anon, I think you might be on to something!
>"le Can't shoot straight besides being the most feared soldiers in the galaxy maymay. xDDDD"
also what's wrong with white armor? kike
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No.3206
>>3189
>Posts the exception to the norm of 99.99999% of planes ever built.
That's what we're talking about though… what other freighter besides the falcon has a cockpit to the side?
>It's only good at reconnaissance.
And the YT-1300 is only for transporting cargo
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No.3208
>>3206
>what other freighter besides the falcon has a cockpit to the side?
>Wayfarer
>YKL-37R Nova
and from korelians:
>YT-1200
>YT-1210
>YT-1250
>YT-1300 (aka. falcon)
>YT-2400
>YV-545
>YV-664
so yeah kinda a lot of light freighters had that
in universe explanation is that it makes it easier to dock to other space ships and to ports on planets with dangerous atmosphere because you have higher field of view from that side
also YT-1300 was also avaiable in versions with straight cockpit and with it on left side, but they were unpopular.apparently space docks suck
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No.3209
>>3205
>posts camo-pattern helmet
>asks what's wrong with shiny bone-white armor
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No.3213
>>2986
Every time I see a Porg I die inside.
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No.3220
It's so obvious they are making up the story with each installment. It's not like the real Star Wars movies which told obvious arcs and Lucas knew how he wanted it to end.
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No.3221
>>3169
I'm usually a big sucker for Royal Guard inspired stuff too. I liked the red armored Imperial Guard faction that was in TOR.
Something about these costumes, though, crosses the line from low-fi and practical into cheap. They look less like something meant for the set of a movie and more like what cosplayers would wear to a convention. Another example of Disney listening to the "CGI is ugly bring back organic!" circlejerk and not actually understanding how to implement it.
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No.3222
Anyone notice any big advertising blitz going on for this movie? Even my normie coworker had to think it over before she could remember any commercials, and even then they were just tie-ins, not direct movie spots. And sure, I saw such silliness as Rey and R-2 labeled salad bags, but it feels low-key as hell. What gives?
>>3221
How could they fail when costuming is supposed to be one of their big fortes?
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No.3223
>>3222
>How could they fail when costuming is supposed to be one of their big fortes?
Just like they don't care about world building, they don't give a shit about the costumes.
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No.3225
>>3202
>pics related are practical.
>Sworn to protect the Emperor from any threat with a hand blaster and a stick.
>All that big heavy cape to get caught on something.
>Can't turn your head or look up & down in that helmet.
>Severely limited vision to the front only.
>But comfy as hell sleeping robes underneath. (OT of course, because that's all that matters in the end.)
Yes, very "Practical."
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No.3226
>>3225
still more practical than devo 2 up above, jackass.
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No.3228
>>3226
Sure. Whatever makes you sleep at night, chummer.
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No.3859
>>3228
Practical or no, they do look better than Mister Radiatorhead over there.
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No.3863
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No.3872
>>3223
I think they're trying far too hard to look DIY punk and emulate what the first couple of films had to create with a limited budget and a great deal of passion. The trouble is they have all of the necessary resources at their disposable to do whatever the hell they want and they're probably just stripping it down from a more complex and expensive design into a more basic design. They're completely inverting the process trying to reach a lower standard with superior abilities and thinking they can hit the same achievement.
Furthermore they have this recurrent theme with the First Order where most things are just a replica of the Galactic Empire's designs with some extra ornament or bunting to only make it seem slightly different. Little wing flaps on officer caps, head dress protrusions for praetorian guards, cheetah masks on the Stormtrooper helmets, and so on. Nothing is an obvious evolution for improvement from all I can see. It's more like when video game designers cook up a new skin to identify the next level or category of enemy character. "These dudes are troopers, but their armor is grey and they have jetpack pods and their voice modulators are extra gravelly oh and they have lots of HP."
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No.3879
>>3209
>black
>camo-pattern
That's not even what I was talking about there anyway
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No.3881
>>3185
>harshly angular, blocky
This is the problem. You don't mix old aesthetics with modern cinematography/CG and except it to look good
Star Wars Ep 4-6 were products of their age, there's no reason to have designs like this in 2017 but it's being done because muh nostalgia
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No.3882
>>3881
*expect it to look good
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No.3904
>>3159
>the Resistence
>the Resistence
Seriously, i can't go past that shit. They can't move away from the "underdog heroes vs evil empire".
The evil guys blew up the Republic's capital. If anything they would be running for their lives due the reprisal. It would be like the republican sith purge during the Hyperspace War all over again.
The Republic controls basically the former GE territory and assets. One thing is a "resistance" during a cold war period, a shadowy war, not after they blew the capital of the dominant galactic regime.
This is garbage.
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No.3907
>>3904
I know, right? Even Farce Awoos could have been fun if they'd had a blend of partisans and sheer Republic numbers against the Order's technologically advanced and skilled forces. It would have given the Neu Empire a Khan dynamic, a villainous underdog who has to make up for his lack of size through cunning and (techno)sorcery. Oops, did I just lean back on Dark Empire again?
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No.3913
>>3904
One thing to keep in mind is that the New Republic doesn't have a permanent seat of government. Instead of concentrating power in Coruscant, they rotate the capitol regularly to prevent a genuine or perceived concretion of authority and bureaucracy in one place. While it's true they lost most of their politicians when the First Order exterminatus'd the Hosnian system, it's conceivable that there are the resources to reestablish government in the various worlds that have played host to the Senate.
I don't disagree that it would have been more interesting to dispense with virtuous republicanism fighting ruthless autocracy and try another overarching conflict. If they were just going to have Imperial die-hards cripple the New Republic, then why not make movies out of the Thrawn Trilogy? I do, however, understand how a writer could pull it off, though whether or not they'll bother to even twist Pablo Hidalgo's arm into Twitter-splaining it I have my doubts.
>>3907
That's pretty much what they were going to be dealing with and what a lot of people writing new novels around 2014-15 had in their notes to use, but I guess somebody decided that it's not trve Star Wars without a totalitarian juggernaut and scrappy chaotic good rogues.
I think that Snoke is going to try and be Dark Empire Sheev anyhow, which is a waste of character worth its own discussion.
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No.3920
>>3913
Imagine that North Korea managed to nuke Washington, or a suicide Isis type with a briefcase nuke. They would blow up the capital, but the rest of the country would be basically intact.
Even with the lost of the majority of the political class, the country would still control more assets than enough to perform a reprisal. That or an opposite scenario, the country would balkanize in the following day.
What the not-Empire did with the Nu-Republic was basically and Endor 2.0. Killed the leaders and the elites. The Republic would splinter in a day. But since the movies don't imply that happened, the only possible outcome would be a immediate reprisal, an immediate mustering of forces going for a full scale war. It wouldn't be a scenario where "the Resistance goes to an open war against the 1st Order", it would be "immediate militarization Clone Wars style, with shipyards going 24/7 churming ships and draft in a galactic scale". They just got their capital and main fleet destroyed. Even at a descentralized regime, that's too much to not perform an immediate change of policy and militarization.
They handle that so badly, keeping the "good partisans against evil regime" even when it can't make sense anymore that breaks the suspension of disbelief.
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No.3922
>>3907
>Oops, did I just lean back on Dark Empire again?
as each day passes by i find it more and more ironic that one of the comics george despised is now the source of disney canon.
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No.3924
>>3922
>despised
I could have sworn that he said he liked that one, dubsman. That it was the sequel trilogy he could see.
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No.3930
>>3924
no, george disliked most of the post-jedi eu. in his vision, sheev did not return, luke did not marry mara jade, and the empire didn't cause a second galactic civil war.
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No.3934
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>>3930
>most
What exceptions do you know of?
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No.3938
>>3934
uhh, you know i'm not really sure. i think he liked the idea of lumiya, but that's all i really know of in the post-jedi eu. he was more favorable towards the stuff that took place during the prequels and generally anything prior to the OT.
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No.3988
>>3922
Seeing how the EU proper was launched with Dark Empire and Heir to the Empire, and Lucas was more involved back then when it came to approving ideas, you'd think he would've shot down the story if he disliked it. Hell, according to Veitch, clone Palps was pitched directly to Lucas.
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No.3990
>>3988
His involvement was more out of a desire to not see something too radical from his ideation published than investment in lore creation.
Dark Empire was originally supposed to feature Darth Vader resurrected as the villain with Luke joining him. Lucas said, "He'll no faggot kys.". Then clone Sheev was offered instead and the response was, "Fine, whatever."
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No.3991
It was unoriginal as fuck, but I quite enjoyed Dark Empire tbh.
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No.3992
>>3990
http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/08/interview-with-dark-empire-writer-tom.html
>Our original proposal was to bring back Darth Vader's costume and mask, with somebody else inside it. We felt the Empire would want to maintain the fearsome image of Vader and wouldn't much care who was wearing the armor and breathing mask. George vetoed that idea (although he did allow us to have Vader appear in dreams and memories). He said, no, you can't bring back the Vader costume…but if you can figure out how to bring back the Emperor, that's o.k.
>The obvious way to bring back the Emperor was with cloning, which George immediately approved.
>(…) We received hardly any "guidelines" in those days. In fact, George gave us "carte blanche" (his words) to dream up ideas. But he wanted to see and approve almost everything we came up with. Fortunately he seemed to love what we were doing, disapproving very little and offering good suggestions for improvement.
I think the idea that Lucas liked the story stems from a rumor of him giving the TBP to his employees as a Christmas gift back in the day. I never came across a reliable source for this though. Then again, I never read about him disliking DE either.
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No.3995
>>3991
Not fond of it myself, but I did enjoy it and the return of Palpatine more than Disney's new stories. I guess I kinda liked the idea of the Emperor coming back to kick ass and get revenge, instead of just accepting his death like a content jedi wuss.
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No.3998
>>3922
And everything has come full circle…
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No.4002
>>3938
>i think he liked the idea of lumiya
Nice! George has excellent taste.
Lumiya, Visas Marr & Asajj Ventress are easily best SW girls.
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No.4005
>>3988
george was always more concerned with the tone than the lore itself. that's what was great about the eu, even if the story was shit, it fit well into the universe and felt like it was always there. the disney shit doesn't fit in at all.
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No.23661
>>4005
It's the whole being true to the spirit, instead of the superficial. The EU felt like Star Wars because it was almost always true to the spirit, while Disney Wars has stormtroopers, and tie fighters,and x-wings, and yet never actually feels like Star Wars.
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