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I have a bad feeling about this…….
This is not going to end well
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No.30666
>>30590
and they failed miserably because disney is currently stuck with a miserable, ugly, unreliable, bunch of 1 dimensional, california cat lady “political statement” characters, a go nowhere story, terrible writers plagiarists (across all their media with fart/furry fetish), hack directors(nepotism hires) and worse game companies that only seem to want to further alienate fans against star wars. It will therefore never be popular and most likely eventually be forgotten, probably replaced by the influx of new terrible star wars films and the inevitable reboot of the franchise.
The PT despite criticisms of the films had characters that were well received Darth Maul, Clone Troopers, Grievous, etc. all sold well and people were generally interested in seeing how the events of the OT came to be. In addition Lucas arts further expanded on their story with good quality additional content (games, books, etc.).
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No.30668
>>30666
I still think a major downfall of the prequels is that Anakin and Padme just aren't great as characters. There's still more than enough to like in the prequels though. Young Obi-wan was great.
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No.30669
>>30668
Sure Padme was completely unnecessary until the end and her love affair and death was not used as effectively as it could have been.
Anakin failed due to bad casting, as he was not the right guy to depict young Vader and George made a few bad calls such as wasting the first film with a little kid Anakin instead of using it to develop adult Anakin but as you say prequels have much to like despite flaws which are made increasingly less relevant by the disgusting festering putrid slop disney spews out and expects the general populous to consume.
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No.30671
>>30668
The prequels are absolutely perfect if you refilm about ten minutes of AotC. TPM and RotS don't really have any issues, the only thing which could use a bit of work is some of the dialogue in AotC.
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No.30675
>>30669
I sometimes wonder if the awkwardness of Anakin came from the fact you had an American actor doing an impersonation of an older black American actor, doing an impersonation of a British accent.
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No.30685
>>30671
>the only thing which could use a bit of work is some of the dialogue in AotC
dialogue in aotc is fine, just some delivery needed reshoots.
>>30675
hayden is canadian
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No.30686
>>30671
I don't agree I think many things could have been edited or shot differently. As atated the TPM should not have had a little kid Anakin simply because it meant less time to develop Anakin and his fall to the dark side which as a consequence is rushed in the next 2 films.
>>30685
>hayden is canadian
That's fine I just don't think he was a good choice as Anakin he could have been another character or jedi just not Anakin.
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No.30688
>>30686
it doesn't matter who played him, JEJ's voice was just the helmet. nobody did any impressions.
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No.30692
>>30688
Could have had a big warrior type guy with a deep voice play Anakin…. "the helmet voice" would be less jarring that way.
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No.30697
>>30686
Anakin's fall to the dark side was well-designed in theory, but it was rushed. like one minute you're an angsty teen, then suddenly you're Vader. in a larger sense, I think the rise of the Empire was rushed too. there's too large a jump from III to IV, and the Empire seems too well established and consolidated to be the recent work of an usurper. alot of this could be resolved by extending the Imperial era further back. the prequels should've started with the rise of the Empire, not the Clone Wars (a story which could be told elsewhere).
>>30685
it wouldn't be that hard to fix the dialogue. you could save the infamous sand line by having Padme lol at him.
>>30692
as an aside, the voice acting for Darth Vader was well-done. baritone, well enunciated, with a mechanical edge. it's not risible or unclear, eg Dark Knight Rises.
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No.30698
>>30697
>save the infamous sand line
literally nothing wrong with it. it's anakin attempting to make conversation with padme (despite not knowing the conventional methods of wooing a girl) and at the same time his own emotions bring back shitty memories.
>>30692
this is stupid
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No.30701
>>30698
I agree, but the movie doesn't acknowledge how silly it comes across. if Padme shared the audience's reaction, it would've gone down much more smoothly.
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No.30704
>>30688
I do wonder if part of Hayden's performance was influenced by trying to match the intonations of James Earl Jones though.
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No.30705
>>30697
I've been toying with the idea that the prequels could have gotten away with not showing the transitional moment where Anakin becomes Vader at all. Think MGS3. It give you all the info you needed on why Big Boss eventually betrays his country and becomes the character he becomes. You don't actually need to see him building his villain lair and committing war crimes. That's just fluff, really. The standing at the grave moment tells you everything.
This would also preserve the ESB twist for those who don't know, and deal with issues like why Obi-Wan and Vader seem to have aged a little more than 17 years in the space of 17 years. Luke and Leia kind of have to be conceived before Vader becomes the robot monster, but that can all happen off screen.
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No.30707
>you can't be part of our clique if you don't like jar jar binks
>'hummm… ok, I guess'
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.
They're no evil geniuses going after the soy bucks. It's you who are a goddamn imbecile for smearing yourself in shit whenever there's a job interview coming up.
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No.30708
>>30692
>Could have had a big warrior type guy with a deep voice play Anakin
Any patton-like general would have been eligible, but someone straight from the military. The first and fatal mistake of the PT was turning the jedi into a bunch of jesuit monks. A knight has an aura of sanctity, but is first and foremost an ironclad soldier.
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No.30709
>>30698
The sand line is fine as far as actual dialogue goes, but what it lacks is good visuals to back it up. Anakin and Padme are just standing and talking against a generic background when they deliver their dialogue, and that wastes the visual element of film, which a good director should take advantage of. Imagine if the scene went like this instead:
Anakin and Padme are on the beach. Padme is sitting in the sun, on a towel right on the sand, maybe even idly playing with the sand or water with a hand as she talks to Anakin. Anakin, by contrast, is sitting on a beach chair (higher up away from the sand), in the shade under an umbrella. It's a little thing, but those visuals both show the distance between the two. Anakin is someplace else mentally a darker place, oooh, and it's clear the sand evokes very different thoughts in him. It's not a bad line per se, but it doesn't take advantage of the film medium at all.
>>30701
Also this.
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No.30711
>>30707
Jar Jar being the worst thing ever is a meme. He's slightly annoying at worst.
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No.30712
>>30711
Compare Jar Jar to any annoying high-pitched anime character and he's great.
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No.30715
>>30712
Compare Jar Jar to any of the new characters and he's far less annoying.
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No.30717
>>30711
jar jar is pretty bad (needed to be scaled back a bit a at least) but definitely not the worst thing ever I find the disney wars nu-characters far more annoying than jar jar…… especially the marysue character.
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No.30718
>>30708
Yeah, I always invisioned them as "knights" and militaristic perhaps they should have borrowed a bit more from samurai and European history (knights).
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No.30721
>>30708
>>30718
word. they should be more Templar than Jesuit.
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No.30723
>>30721
It was an odd decision by Lucas to have the Jedi robe be the desert clothes that Obi Wan wore. I guess because Obi wan was the first Jedi it kind of resonated with people.
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No.30726
>>30723
right. but it doesn't make alot of sense in-universe, given that Obi-Wan wants to remain hidden and incognito. I could see them wearing robes, but the official attire should be distinct.
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No.30728
>>30712
>>30711
>>30717
There is nothing wrong with Jar jar when you realize it's a kids film. It's manchildren agry at the ewoks all over again. It's like the people crying over Jar jar didn't want their children's adventure moves to be children's adventure movies. Anakin in episode 1 and Jar jar are both aimed at the target audience and hit the mark. Child actors always suck, comic relief isn't funny if you're an adult watching it in a kids movie.
>>30726
Doesn't Yoda wear it too?
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No.30730
>>30728
And Vader's ghost at the end.
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No.30732
>>30730
I think Mr. Lucas just wanted him to look like Uncle Owen.
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No.30734
>>30728
>>30730
yes, you're right. I still think the proper Jedi robes should've been different, with a vague resemblance to Obi-Wan's.
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No.30738
>>30723
>>30726
>>30728
>>30730
>>30732
>>30734
i always thought ben's robes were local tatooine wear, with a jedi cloak over it. true, it doesn't explain yoda or ghost anakin, but i believe that was meant to be the idea. or maybe it just happened to be that the citizens of tatooine had a similar fashion sense to the jedi? that style of clothing is very good for multiple climates, it might be more common around the galaxy than we know, after all samurai and citizens both wore the same style clothing, the only thing that made samurai distinct were their swords or if they had armor.
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No.30740
>>30738
In the EU I think there was a connection between the two, that Jedi came from Tatooine (in part) or something like that.
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No.30743
I always figured that the actual before-the-Prequels Jedi “uniform” was based around that high-collared, double-breasted tunic worn by Yoda and later copied by Luke (I used to think Obi-Wan wore it too, but looking again it appears that he might actually be wearing some sort of mock-turtleneck).
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No.30744
Was trawling images and noticed Anakin has this leather uniform going on.
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No.30753
>>30744
it's his skin for mortal kombat
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No.30767
>>30744
Isn't the 4th anakin picture the standard jedi "uniform"? They wear robes over them but they all wear that same tunic don't they?
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No.30769
>>30726
>it doesn't make sense since he wanted to hide
He's in a fucking desert shithole. Who would see him? Let alone recognize his robes?
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No.30771
>>30769
The moisture farmers dress exactly the same as he did. Obviously in the first movie he was just wearing local attire, but it became identified with being Jedi robes.
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No.30779
>>30726
>>30771
Maybe I'm misremembering, but even during TPM didn't Anakin say it was seeing the "laser swords" that gave them away as Jedi, without mentioning the robes, with the implication therefore being that the robes were not strongly identified with Jedi even before the purge?
In the end, the real reason is that everyone knows wizards and pseudo-monks are supposed to wear robes.
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No.30782
>>30779
>Maybe I'm misremembering, but even during TPM didn't Anakin say it was seeing the "laser swords" that gave them away as Jedi, without mentioning the robes, with the implication therefore being that the robes were not strongly identified with Jedi even before the purge?
They were on Tattooine. Jedi and moisture farmers dress the same, so in-universe that doesn't break anything established. Recall the protocol droid on the shit knew they were Jedi knights just by seeing them.
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No.30783
>>30782
>Recall the protocol droid on the shit knew they were Jedi knights just by seeing them.
The droid’s exact words are: “the ambassadors are Jedi Knights, I BELIEVE.”
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No.30785
>>30769
all force-users were at risk in the Imperial Era. aside from living on a backwater planet, he also went by Ben Kenobi to hide his identity.
>>30771
it just seems strange to me that Tattooine garb should be synonymous with Jedi robes. I'd expect an ancient, mystic, military order to have a conventional style, and I wouldn't expect that style to be shared by moisture farmers.
>>30779
>In the end, the real reason is that everyone knows wizards and pseudo-monks are supposed to wear robes.
pretty much this. it seems like one of those things that were not well thought-out.
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No.30787
>>30783
She surmised they were Jedi. I don't get how I believe matters.
>>30785
>it just seems strange to me that Tattooine garb should be synonymous with Jedi robes. I'd expect an ancient, mystic, military order to have a conventional style, and I wouldn't expect that style to be shared by moisture farmers.
Right. That's what the debate is. It's basically an accident of the films and a retcon.
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No.30791
Maybe we're approaching this all wrong, and Owen just bought one of Obi-Wan's old cloaks from the Tatooine charity shop.
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No.30792
>>30791
Do we know what Obi-Wan's job was on Tatooine? He might manufacture the robes for a living.
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No.30793
>>30787
>She surmised they were Jedi. I don't get how I believe matters.
It implies room for doubt.
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No.30794
>>30723
It was explained in some of those visual dictionaries or visual guides. Jedi used those robes and tunics, which were common in many places in the galaxy as a sign of humility and detachment. Anakin was considered different because he favored a black leather tunic. So those robes and tunics were simply clothing and inconspicuous ones.
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No.30838
>>30794
this is a good answer.
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No.31058
>>29686
> I’m planing on joining the army.
enjoy the cuckening
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No.31059
>>29901
>survival of the fittest mindset
more like survival of the cheapest
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No.31060
>>29901
Its almost like you're forgetting that tolkien was was a philologist, a specialist in historical texts.
So despite he didn't write stories all the time he did indeed practiced his writing
>>29906
>anon makes a an elaborated post
>the only thing he can take from it is muh ellison
brainlet tier
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