/sw/ - Star Wars

>>27824

I like how Lucasfilm had no problem portraying him as a piece of shit with actual character who played all sides for his own self-preservation, unlike now where every minority and POC like Saw Gueverafuck has to be super important, noble and inoffensive in their goals and desires to the point of one-dimensional retardation.

>>27862

>every minority and POC like Saw Gueverafuck has to be super important

Disney literally killed off Panaka offscreen, they said Saw Guerrera killed him or something. Personally I loved Panaka as a character, I loved the fact that even after the Emperor died he remained loyal to Palpatine's memory. Panaka was a military man, loyal to the core, Palpatine was good to him, so Panaka was good to Palpatine. Panaka did nothing wrong, tbh.

>>27863

He was loyal to the Empire yes, but the way he went about gaining such a status while forsaking his original loyalties was a very realistic trait. And the fact that Saw was the one that killed him (offscreen) further shows the state Disney has dragged its characters down to.

>>27864

>while forsaking his original loyalties

He was still loyal to his planet, but I don't think he ever forgave the Republic for shafting Naboo, and harbored resentment towards Amidala for not rebuilding the planets defenses in the wake of the invasion.

On top of that, Palpatine and his New Order represented stability and order compared to the ineffectual and rather disorganized Republic, something a career military man would no doubt support. Also, because being on the bad side of ol' Palps never ends well. Just ask Valorum.

>>27824

for the longest time, I was wondering when he got the eyepatch- until I realized those were two different characters

>>27866

Either way, I like how many Republic characters eventually ended up as somewhat loyal Imperial subjects. It lends some realism to the setting- as not every good guy stays on the side of the protagonists. Even if I had reservations about the Second Galactic Civil War arc, I at least felt the moral ambiguity of it was done well. aside from the involvement of the sith of course

>>27863

>tfw we'll never get to see him running a guerilla war against the NR in the Chommel sector unless we make a version of it ourselves

Fuck, Disney chopped off all the possible limbs with their shortsighted greed.

Panaka was loyal to Naboo, while most people assume that he had personal loyalty to Amidala. In any case there is nothing on screen that gives the idea that he would be a die hard republican or rebel sympathizer. That short story with him and Leia was actually a very nice expansion of his character.

>>27875

It really makes sense, since most decent military personnel don't join up to suck the glorious leader's dick, the do it to serve their nation and protect their people.

you can see how much of a difference a leader who's goals align with the rank-and-file in real-time. when we get a commander who actually gives a shit about mission sustainment it has a big effect on morale and the soldiers will do literally anything for that commander.

you can see parallels of this in real life, not only historically but most recently with president trump. after eight years of Obama gutting the military, slashing funding to not only the military but also to ICE and border patrol, to the point my regiment couldn't even maintain our Abrams tanks forcing the entire regiment's worth of tankers, in all 68 crews, to share just four tanks during training excercises; that when trump started actually showing appreciation to us and promising to start funding us again you'd be hard pressed to find a soldier, cop, border patrol officer or veteran who wouldn't murder all of trumps enemies on the spot with a big shit-eating grin.

being appreciative of your military and security forces gets you really far in politics, and doing the opposite is just inviting coups and invasion from without.

It's not a surprise at all that Palpatine would have gotten the full support of almost every republic soldier in the galaxy on day one.

>>27872

>Loyal military man who's friends with sheev

>Not better than Zahn's special snowflake alien who's just so smart and clever and is better than all those dumb racist humans in the empire

Thrawn is a shit character, just like Mara Jade. Timothy Zahn was a bad writer and nearly all the EU content from the early 90s was shit. It wasn't until the Shadows of the Empire multimedia project that the EU stopped sucking overall and started actually working well. Don't think that just because Disney is producing absolute dogshit that somehow we're all going to forget shit like the Palpatine clones, Mara Sue, Celeste (Luke's Padawan with the mind of an acient Jedi that he falls in love with) Admiral Daala the Stronk woman who BTFOs white men and takes control of the empire, or any of the other pozzed shit that was being created behind Lucas' back.

People forget that because of the Republic's inaction, the Naboo were rounded up into concentration camps, and many were sold to the Hutts as slaves if you go by Battle for Naboo. It was only Palpatine who ended that. With that in mind, Panaka is more than justified in his "fuck the Republic!" sentiment.

>>27892

You're right and Zahn is seriously overrated. I see him as good but nothing special. I've only read his Thrawn trilogy though, so maybe he shined somewhere else.

>>27892

>Thrawn is a shit character, just like Mara Jade. Timothy Zahn was a bad writer and nearly all the EU content from the early 90s was shit.

Faggots like you ruined Star Wars.

>>27941

Anon presented a shitty opinionated post, and you think that merits debunking, bean-counter?

>>27939

>I've only read his Thrawn trilogy though, so maybe he shined somewhere else.

He didn't, the Thrawn Trilogy is considered his best work, and it's completely mediocre.

>>27960

Thrawn would be much better with some limits on what that could do, and with elaboration put on the deductions made. Written more like the original Sherlock Holmes, the concept would be much more feasible. Otherwise, the character is a chilly but fair Imperial commander. Pellaeon is better, but has a different presence both during and after the trilogy.

>>27963

He'd be much better if he wasn't an after school special about the horrors of specisism and if he wasn't inserted into nearly every time period. The fact that you associate him with Sherlock Holmes shows how abysmal of a character he is. Holmes is an eccentric detective, not a military man, those two professions don't mesh at all. Thrawn quite simply, isn't believable.

>>27965

Honestly, a rewrite of the trilogy with that in mind would give it a sheen of gold, and give Thrawn's impromptu mentorship of Pellaeon a more plausible weight.

>trade feddie is still talking

I'm not answering you because I don't like you. Now shoo.

>>27966

It would take a huge rewrite, though. I mean, his only real strategy for most of the trilogy is 1.) Steal ships from drydock via ordinary boarding action, 2.) Salvage ships from katana fleet and 3.) use jedi-bullshit to increase odds of success. There's nothing really brilliant there that couldn't be done by your average Moff. Some of it is straight up Goa'uld-tier, but it's mostly just "decent" levels of thought. It may have simply been better if he weren't hyped up so much, and was presented as competent and leaderly, rather than a genius.

>>27956

People like Thrawn for the same reason people like Khan Noonien Singh in that other franchise. Instead of the usual trope of a more powerful antagonist losing against the plucky heroes through arrogance or incompetence, Thrawn and the Empire start out as the underdogs, and from that position he claws his way to within a hair's breadth of victory. This makes him appear competent, dangerous, and thus more compelling as a villain.

>he's essentially just an anti-racist fascist

This is just you projecting. At no point does Thrawn or anyone else in the trilogy get on a soapbox and start preaching about how much more successful the Empire would have been if they weren't such horrible bigots. The Noghri weren't some morality play about racism, they were present as the only way to defeat someone like Thrawn: to exploit some piece of information he has zero knowledge of, and thus can't anticipate. And Thrawn himself wasn't counter-signaling Imperial speciesism or anything else so retarded. He was presented as an alien to make him more mysterious, to reinforce the fact that he was smoke in a bottle, an unknown quantity that was fundamentally different from his surroundings.

>>27978

I could have sworn that I read a story where he talked about how the only way to protect the diversity of species in the galaxy was thought the strength of the Empire and thus the Empire was a necessary evil. His whole philosophy was basically /pol/lite, that without dictatorship, there will be civil war between races.

>>27965

>>27966

>>27969

There are a few areas in the trilogy in which his deductions are elaborated on, the one which comes to the mind is his deducing who went in what ship in the brief time the Lady Luck and the Falcon were docked.

I would also argue that the mole miner action was a good example of strategic thinking—using resources that everyone takes for granted in novel ways is very much a valid example of genius, because it shows thinking outside the box. You might say that anyone else could have thought of using mole miners like that, but that's true of a lot of ingenious things: they always look simple in hindsight, like anyone could have done them. But "anyone" didn't do them, Thrawn did. Same deal with cloaking the asteroids and dry firing tractor beams over Coruscant: it's simple on its face, but everyone else wasn't able to think of it because they had dismissed double-blind cloaks as useless for military ops. Thrawn was able to overcome that preconception and find a use for them.

>>27981

You might be misremembering something mentioned in the Hand of Thrawn duology. Leia and several other characters remarked that one plus of the Empire was that the top-down approach presented thousands of petty squabbles from spilling over into Galactic politics and gridlocking the government, like the Caamas Document crisis did. However, the political implications is all that was discussed, not "biodiversity" or any such thing.

>>27981

I was under the impression Chiss aren't like that. They're supremacist aliens, likely modeled on WWII Japanese. They want to wipe out all the disgusting aliens too, or at least that was how they're portrayed in the EU content I've seen them in.

>>28028

>>27981

Oh and to further back that up after some research it would seem Chiss are genetically human, they just evolved at some after having to move underground as a species along with being exposed to glacial minerals. So, not 100% alien.

>>28028

>wipe out

I thought they just wanted to be left the fuck alone, unlike the Yevetha.

>>27949

>By having standards?

By having Mike Stoklasa's standards

>If Thrawn was created by Disney you would hate him,

Thrawn's version of Disney is shit. That doesn't reflect on the original.

>he's a gary stu

He's Sherlock Holmes as an Admiral and Pallaeon is Watson. The point is he's supposed to be clever. An actually clever character isn't a 'gary stu'. Thrawn works for the same reason Snoke doesn't. Thrawn isn't an Emperor clone and another dark side user. He's not evil personified. He's a very clever military commander, a Caesar or Napoleon, but he's against the good guys. By having him as the villain, Star Wars did something new.

>who outsmarts every other Imperial and exists just so Zahn can get on his soapbox and talk about why racism is short sighted and how diversity like Thrawn is a good thing and the Empire was dysfunctional because they were all humans.

Even if this were true, it's not unique to Zahn. Lucas set the system up that way as well and pretty clearly had the archetypal Empire be one race dominating the others.

>>27956

>an anti-racist fascist,

That much is pretty clear in the new books. The first new Thrawn book is literally: minority and woman climbing the social ladder despite the mean white men hating them.

>>28038

>That much is pretty clear in the new books

Who cares about those?

>>28028

They were more isolationist than supremacist. They didn't care about ruling the galaxy or wiping out interiors, they just wanted filthy gaijin to go and stay go.

>>28038

New books are Yidsney, who gives a shit?

>>28040

Well, they're still written by your overrated Zahn aren't they? ;)

>>28040

they're written by Zahn, thrawn's daddy

>>27892

>Admiral Daala the Stronk woman

Did we read the same books? Admiral Daala was a fuckup who got overpromoted because she was blowing Tarkin.

Notice how the faggot switched goalposts to focus now on the books made by an author clearly under duress. Pretty telling.

>>27985

I believe what we want to rewrite foremost is his first big deduction, that of figuring out the Elomin commander. Would be nice for him to have stolen personnel files or something, then deducing which officer he's facing by watching the tactics displayed. Aaart as a psychological tool is fine, but it got a bit overplayed.

>>28070

It wouldn't say he's under duress, he's likely a fellow traveler for every shitty progressive decision (((Disney))) made, but when he had full control he didn't write that pozzed shit. Clearly he is writing the Thrawn of the Disney Canon and not the old one.

>>28071

>>28070

Zahn's been treading water ever since the DelRey days. Allegiance and Choices of One were just done for the paycheck but at least those were standalone stories. His mouse wars books read pretty much the same.

Either way I wouldn't use them to draw conclusions about his early works.

>>28071

Honestly, duress is the assumption I operate on for all of the old EU stalwarts who were kept on. Just look at poor Jason Fry, who had to write the novelization of TLJ, and desperately tried to salvage his beloved Xim in the cross-sections book. Zahn seemingly tried to salvage Thrawn's motives for joining the Empire, including the Vong, but to no avail. Besides, I've met the guy. Didn't seem like the type to buy into all this junk willingly.

>>28077 (checked)

A tired writer needs a rest.

>>28066

Read Darksaber. That one book is enough reason to ignore large parts of the EU. It's as bad as Disney Wars.

>>28084

The weird part is, the Imperial sections are supposed to be what you read the book for, not the titular main plot. Because Pellaeon, Daala, and warlord shenanigans are actually kinda interesting.

>>28091

Well, seeing as he moved goalposts faster than the Looney Tunes record immediately after Csillanon answered, I'd put it at a safe bet that he's not happy. That, or this is some bizarre test to see how well we defend the EU, in which case he's a pretentious faggot. We already get plenty of flak for preferring the old stuff. Also, his insults are weak. Maybe he's not from here.

Dark Empire is patrician taste also, if read with the right mindset.

>>28109

>in which case he's a pretentious faggot

It's probably this. /v/ mentality seems to have infected imageboards in a greater sense, to the point that faggots have acquired the notion that the more things you hate the better taste you have, or the more blackpilled you are the more woke you've become.

>>28112

It must be cuckchannel /v/ then, because I haven't run into too much of that on 8chan until recently. It seems like some obnoxious contrarians are trying to make their home there, especially with the increase of "x game loved by /v/ is shit but I won't say why"-posting. Unless you're talking about modern big-budget games- then you've probably got shit taste in the majority of cases,

>>28116

I was agreeing with you on a lot of things, but dissing Dark Empire is just going too far. Even George himself praised it as the closest thing to his idea for a sequel trilogy back in the 90s despite everyone losing their shit over "b-but George would never approve of this! How could Luke do this?!" And unlike TLJ or Vong torture porn, Dark Empire ends on a good and optimistic note for the future.

>>28118

>Even George himself praised it as the closest thing to his idea for a sequel trilogy back in the 90s

No he didn't, Lucas praised Shadows of the Empire, not Dark Empire.

>>28119

Yes he did you plebian faggot.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040603120517/http://www.ugo.com/channels/comics/features/starwars

>>28120

>TV: We had great response. I still get letters from people telling me that Dark Empire was the best of the continuing stories, that it should be made into a movie, that it should be a novel, etc. George Lucas told me personally that he loved it. Some people had a problem with the bringing back of the emperor. But as I have explained elsewhere, we did that under George Lucas' direction. Originally we asked him if we could bring back Darth Vader, assuming that the empire would want to perpetuate the image of Vader in order to strike fear into the hearts of billions. So they would put somebody else inside the Vader costume, of course. But George nixed that and told us we could bring back the emperor.

>the writer says Lucas loved it

Give me a quote from Lucas himself or fuck off. Filoni says the same shit about everything he did. You realize people lie, right? "Oh, why are you criticizing my dumb ass ideas? Lucas liked them!" Lol

>>28120

>>28123

Oh, and I'll add, even if Lucas did like the cloned Emperor idea, it's still a bad idea which opens up a massive can of worms. It's no different than hyperspace being used as a weapon in The Last Jedi, if it's a thing, why isn't everyone doing it? If you clone a force user, their clone shouldn't be force sensitive, otherwise it makes no sense why there aren't massive jedi or sith armies made of clones. It's one of the reasons why The Force Unleashed is dumb.

>>28129

>He used to go on online chats talking about how brilliant his show was or how it was a true successor to the films and books

Is Dave Filoni the Dan Slott of Star Wars?

>>28117

Elab

>>28117

No one said Darksaber was good. Stop being retarded and learn reading comprehension.

>And no, I wont change my Alderaan flag.

Good, you shouldn't.

>>28124

>why isn't everyone doing it?

Because "everyone" isn't a Sith Lord and the end result of a millennium of Sith biding their time and building up power?

>their clone shouldn't be force sensitive, otherwise it makes no sense why there aren't massive jedi or sith armies made of clones

This is covered in Heir to the Empire. Clones of Force-sensitives have Force powers but will very quickly turn unstable and go insane.

>>28154

>Meanwhile Disneyfags will shit on any element of SW even if its good like Shadows of the Empire or Tales of the Jedi because it didn't have George's pointless direct involvement.

Disneyfags are the first to shit on Lucas and claim that the mouse buying Lucasfilm was "saving star wars from itself" because muh prequels.

>>28160

>/v/'s 8chan Cup

The what?

>>28161

Its a stupid event where /v/ hosts a soccer video game stream with teams based on each of the site's nominated boards. Winner gets posted across all boards which then leads to the winner getting flooded with retards and spam.

>>28117

Don't be disingenuous. This discussion is the result of some low effort baiting a la

<OMG Zahn is pushing a SJW agenda prove me wrong fgts!

Don't be surprised when people get defensive and question whether you want a genuine discussion.

You want to talk about the bad part of the EU? The bad shit some of its better authors came up with? Or how to approach bad stories?

You would have been better off making a new thread, m8.

>>28165

We don't really need a 'gee goyim, how about all that awful old EU junk thread?' Disney Shills have attempted it in the past and it is always called out.

>Lucas approval

There is plenty of things in SW that were actually better without Georgi Boy touch. He was better as the conceptual creator, not director and all.

Just remember, Lucas had a personal touch in the Holiday Special.

>wookiee porn

>drugged up actors

>stir, mix, stir, mix, mix, mix, stir

>nearly all movie by composed by unsubtitled growls and grunts

>evil imperials tearing plushie banthas apart

>>28186

>evil imperials tearing plushie banthas apart

>wookiee porn

That actually sounds pretty damn funny.

>>28186

>Lucas had a personal touch in the Holiday Special.

I'd like to see some evidence on this because he didn't write, direct, or even produce the Holiday Special. His "personal touch" on the holiday special was cashing the check for it, but nice Disney propaganda.

>>28189

George Lucas created Boba Fett and his first appearance is in the Holiday Special, so yeah, you are wrong. In the old canon system, the Holiday's canonicity was above the EU and below the movies because Lucas was involved in it.

>>28186

As for this comment, the holiday special is better than anything Disney has done, Mike. You ruined Star Wars.

>>28197

Pretty much what happened to me. I used to hate the Holiday Special and the Crystal Star, but Disney had made me realize what true awful looks like (the same thing happened with other new age media that's really lowered my standards due to their sheer awfulness). I also used to hate the Vong story arcs, but I'm just indifferent to them now as long as they're treated as their own thing. Otherwise, I never really hated anything else that was made under Star Wars.

>>28196

>his first appearance is in the Holiday Special

I thought the cartoon segment had aired before the special.

>>28207

Only after he made it.

>>28210

Which part of it did he make? He's not the director or the writer, and I don't think he appears anywhere else in the credits.

>>28242

>>28244

>2 Alderaanians

>>28248

Assuming your the same alderaanfag, you did.

>No he didn't, Lucas praised Shadows of the Empire, not Dark Empire.

see >>28119

>>28249

>>28248

I think anons are switching around Shadows of the Empire, Dark EMpire, and Dark Saber without realizing it. Like people are saying the wrong things.

>>28246

>>28206

>>28248

Now look at what you retards have done. You've attracted Disneytards. This is what always happens when you bring up even the slightest bit of anti-EU faggotry.

>>28255

And what has Disney done to trigger you snowflakes so much? Making better films and stories than you could ever hope for? The truth hurts doesn't it? "b-but muh feminists"

>>28255

>Talus

What the fuck is a Talus?

>>28117

>>28253

>And no, I wont change my Alderaan flag.

And this is how we know you're baiting. You're shitting up the quality of the board just because it turns you on, regardless of whether or not you enjoy your time here. What the hell is your endgame?

>>28264

I think it was a planet from Star Wars: Galaxies.

I knew a thread about a nigger moff was a bad idea. Its attracted nothing but niggers. I'm not even a /pol/ack and I knew this was coming

>>27957

Contrarians for the sake of being contrarians only reap chaos and instability wherever they go.

>>28279

Would you quit being retarded? Have you seen the board? We don't need this shit now. Just send reports to Bordo and get this shit out of here.

>>28279

Nigger I never even mentioned Thrawn.

>>28275

It started off as a solid thread though before the Alderaanfags came along.

>>28284

This is why their planet needed destroying; for all their claims of pacifism, the Alderaanfag can cause more damage than a blaster ever could.

>>28279

We're on a board without IDs you Alderaantard. And would you shut up about Thrawn already? Only one still talking about that Disney sellout is you.

>>28167

We were warned…

>>28309

It's the thread topic, mr. bait.

>>28275

For what it's worth, Moff Panaka is fairly solid from what we see of him. He even survived fighting the Rozzum, which are Star Wars' answer to demons. But telling off Princess Leia is always a winner.

>contrarians

Contrarians who are clearly about to stir things up, at that. How boringly basic.

>this whole thread

Okay, now…

I've lost track of exactly which point this thread derailed from Thrawn vs Panaaka into "mmmuh dark empire is shit". I suppose that's pointless though, since it's gone so far as to incur the wrath of bordo.

Oh, and Hotpocket the Hutt, I also created 25% of the other threads on the first three pages, so since you're deleting my posts, you need to delete the Resistance Thread, The Rebel Thread, this thread (yeah, I created this thread), the Name a more Iconic Duo thread, the Art thread, the Star Wars Tales thread, and a bunch of others. Enjoy the dead board, you fucking faggot.

>>28196

>the Holiday's canonicity was above the EU and below the movies because Lucas was involved in it.

Is that why Lucas was literally hunting down and destroying every copy? I call bullshit.

>>28354

Correction, he never actually hunted down copies and destroyed them, but he's quoted directly as saying "That's one of those things that happened, and I just have to live with it." No fucking way was it canon or something Lucas wanted people to watch.

>>28355

>He never actually hunted down copies and destroyed them

No, but he did want them all destroyed.

>>28356

Probably. At the very least he said the following:

"The special from 1978 really didn't have much to do with us, you know. I can't remember what network it was on, but it was a thing that they did. We kind of let them do it. It was done by… I can't even remember who the group was, but they were variety TV guys. We let them use the characters and stuff and that probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, but you learn from those experiences."

>>28351

>Quit being such a dramaqueen. And what posts?

I'm pretty sure he was just replying to every thread he could. Quite the impressive display of spergery all the same.

Well now that the shitposters and spergs are gone, let's get back on topic (and hopefully we won't have more derails). In-Universe wise, Thrawn was the superior officer, but from a writing perspective, Panaka felt the most realistic. He had goals, limitations, and real development that I felt deserved more exploration. Thrawn just seemed too perfect from the start.

>>27956

Because that's exactly what he'd be accused of. Zahn is a sellout, but he knew how to make a character like Thrawn complex enough that he would stand out and while using the "anti-racist" gimmick to make casual faggots warm up to an imperial without feeling like "le evil nazis" and it worked because it resulted in people liking all kinds of imperials and gave way to more "the empire did nothing wrong" rhetoric to the point where Thrawn's anti-racist theme became irrelevant and forgotten. And because of this, a true blue imperial like Pellaeon was able to gain his own fan following and make people love the Empire, fascist themes and all. Zahn though fucked up by making Thrawn too perfect a la Sherlock Holmes. If he had shown Thrawn with more personal flaws and human traits, that would've made the character be far less fucking pretentious. Instead now Disney is publishing books that glorify Thrawn's worst traits instead of expanding his personality and better ones, like believing in the Empire's cause. His demise was ironic, true, but the story is supposed to end with the Rebel Alliance's ideology winning out in the end, not the Empire's. Remember Luke and his gang are the fucking good guys and their side and their views are supposed to come out on top. You can't seriously expect the entire franchise to suddenly go against that.

>>28353

I wish you would've archived more of the asspie's posts instead of deleting them. That was some hilarious sperging going on last night.

>>28398

Pellaeon was a sweetheart

>>28410

I am. Hence why I say that Zahn is a sellout. The only time in old lore where this might match up with Disney crap was that Shadows of the Empire game for the N64 which was only one line

>>28471

Yet people are still creaming their pants over the new Disney Thrawn books. They're filled with the same shitty irl political tripe as the new Marvel comics in trying to push Thrawn further into the angle of oppressed minority. Disney is making everything worse and both new and old fans are happily sucking up this shitty new portrayal. Thanks for nothing Filoni.

>>28474

>same irl political tripe

Got examples? I believe you, but I'd like to verify that.

>>28478

>Core's contempt for the Outer Rim

That's not new, anon.

>>28478

Wouldn't this be the opposite of what contemporaries push? That city dwellers are "smarter and more tolerant" than suburban and rural retards?

>>28480

It's about race, not class.

>>28471

>I'd argue that Thrawn being somewhat unknowable in his original appearance was kind of the point.

Wouldn't disagree, I said as much in >>27978. Was talking more about Gary Stu villains in a general sense.

>>28481

But the comic specifically says that the core worlders think lesser of the rim worlds whether they're human or not. Doesn't sound like race to me.

>>28488

That's pretty explicit about it being a racism thing.

>>28488

Alright, that makes a bit more sense. However, as Thrawn is an ayy, it's still in keeping with what came before. Got anything else?

>>28487

>saving my sloppy OC

I'm honored, acolyte.

I think they're trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want to have this super ebil space notsee Empire but don't want to offend anyone so they end up making half of this racist regime be aliens and some shade of brown. I also think that all creativity (what little was left anyways) has been drained from the industry and is now been replaced with this wishwashy crap that caters to everyone and appeals to no one.

>>28117

Or, you know, people have different individual tastes where they're allowed to like thinks you don't like. So no matter how much it triggers your sorry ass, people are allowed to have their own preferences and like Thrawn and books you didn't like, just like people who don't like any part of the Tales books.

>>27824

At least he got rid of that goofy hat and puffed clothes.

>>28748

One of the best reasons to join the empire is the uniforms. That shit is rad.

>>28739

Or, you know, people have different individual tastes where they're allowed to like thinks you don't like. So no matter how much it triggers your sorry ass, people are allowed to have their own preferences and like Rey and the Wendig books you didn't like, just like people who don't like any part of Legends.

Uncanny isn't it? How you can just change three words from your post and you're now indistinguishable from a redditor.

>>28770

Man, people said they liked Thrawn. You got upset and started calling them cucks and redditors, much like you're doing now. IE you started giving people shit for liking what you don't like, so people started acting the same in your direction. You're trying to bring conflict and divide on a board where Disney shit is practically verboten and calling anyone who disagrees with you a Disneyfag. Who the fuck is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you sound like such a pretentious faggot who uses buzzwords like "anyone I don't like is a redditor" to get his points across?

>>28774

Nice revionist history. What I did was begin to criticize Thrawn and then immeaditely get dogpilled by group-think retards who can't handle dissenting opinion. You're projecting your own inability to deal with alternative views onto me. Thrawn is at best a mediocre and forgettable antagonist, he is popular solely due to the fact that he triggers the nostalgia strings in people's hearts. He is made worse by the fact that Zahn inserted him into every part of Star Wars he could, including the Clone Wars. He went from being an okay villian to the most overrated OC in the entire Expanded Universe. I don't expect for you to ever be able to talk about those points without massively sperging out, though. As nearly everyone on this board, the hot Pocket included, has shown they can't handle criticism unless it comes from Disney tier dipshit. If someone with taste says something you like is bad, you simply don't know how to react in any way that doesn't come off as insanely triggered.

I've been posting on this board for over a year, and I criticized all sorts of elements and had all sorts of arguments in different threads, they were all fun, it was only when I started reading works with Thrawn in them, and then I started criticizing them as I have no nostalgic attachment to them, that I started to get my posts deleted and got the board owner anchoring my thread.

And no, I was not the faggot who started shilling Disney movies, that was likely one of you trying to make me look bad. It is precisely because I do hate Disney Wars that I can accurately criticize the EU. I'm not coming to the EU with any preconcieved notions or stances, I'm experiencing it as purely as one possibly can and I'm not going to pretend to like things that I don't like just to satisfy you or anyone else. You have the right to like Zahn's Shadow the Hedgehog tier character, and I have the right to hate him.

I'm not coming up with onique opinions just to be unique either, I have no problem liking things that other people like. I read Dawn if the Jedi for the first time a few days ago and started story timing it because I thought it was great. As for your apparent hatred for Tales, I find that amusing as Tales exists in a way where it intrudes on absolutely nothing. It is presented in a way that allows people to take what they like, and disregard what they don't. My biggest problem with the works of Kevin J. Anderson is the fact that he had to leave all of his stories into every other story so it would be almost impossible to disregard his stuff if you wanted to enjoy the EU. His attempt to include IG-88 in the finale of Return of the Jedi is one of the most egregious examples of his shitty and narcissistic storytelling.

>>28784

I am posting on a phone, so there are typos.

>>28784

lmao, reported

>>28784

And when did I say I gave a shit about IG-88? I don't like Tales. I don't like IG-88. And you don't like Thrawn. We're allowed to like or disliked what we want regardless if we think its shit. The difference is Disneyfags are actively antagonizing old fans and EU fans in the same way you're antagonizing anyone who disagrees with you. Disney and their fags shat on the entirety of the old lore, its fans and to top it all off are using a once beloved franchise for SJW moralfagging. But just keep lumping anyone who likes something you don't like in with Disneyfags. The EU in its entirety varies in quality and even I'm on board with it 100%, but I'm not going to talk down those who like even the bad stuff of it, because even the bad stuff is harmless nerd wank unlike the malicious faggotry created by Disney.

>>28784

>I started criticizing them as I have no nostalgic attachment to them

You're on an imageboard; given the mean age chances are most of the people disagreeing with you are too young to have nostalgia for Heir to the Empire, and you have no special perspective to give you hidden knowledge.

>I AM THE BOARD

Do you honestly think this makes you seem more credible? No one gives a shit how long you've been posting, stop with the soft avatarfagging. No one besides you has brought up Tales, Darksaber, Kevin Anderson, or IG-88 either, enough with the spergy derailing unless you insist on embarrassing yourself more than you already have.

>I'm not coming up with onique opinions just to be unique either, I have no problem liking things that other people like.

See, you say that, and then you immediately say you like Dawn of the Jedi, which a fair few people on this board don't like because of the big-brained centrist approach to the Force.

>>28784

>I've been posting on this board for over a year

Hi newfag.

>>28822

>See, you say that, and then you immediately say you like Dawn of the Jedi, which a fair few people on this board don't like because of the big-brained centrist approach to the Force

What the fuck are you even talking about? Because he talks about balance, the exact same shit they talk about in the movies?

>>28784

>I've been posting on this board for over a year

Bullshit. You may not notice it but your brand of spergery seems ooze into everything you make. It was around the time that thread for Marvel's Darth Vader comic was made (a month ago) that an element of sperg faggotry started showing up on the board more regularly with some faggot actively trying to derail threads into his personal fighting ring. But if you have been around for longer than that, you sure as hell weren't as active, which was probably for the best.

>>28828

>Because he talks about balance, the exact same shit they talk about in the movies?

George has explicitly said more than once that "balance" meant destroying the dark side, not new-age hipster shit. The fact that you didn't even know this sentiment existed on the board is proof you haven't been around very long.

>>28784

>Banking Clan

of course.

>>28871

>George has explicitly said more than once that "balance" meant destroying the dark side

And he's also said the exact opposite of that. All we have to go on is what's in the movies, and the concept of balance ties into the rest of the themes in the movies way better than eradication of the dark side.

>>28911

>>28911

>the concept of balance ties into the rest of the themes in the movies way better than eradication of the dark side

Maybe you should try backing up what you say instead of just saying it. I call bullshit given the OT is about light overcoming darkness, and the PT is about setting up that struggle. Also by your retarded logic the only time the force was balanced was during the Old Republic when there were large numbers of both Sith and Jedi. None of George's films had an actual balance between Sith and Jedi no matter how you look at it given there were either a shit ton of jedi and 2 sith, or 2 sith and almost no jedi.

The whole prophecy around Anikin wasn't about actual balance in the force, that's what the Jedi got wrong. Anikin was destined to defeat the dark side (represented by Sheev as the last of the Sith), that was the prophecy the whole time. Actual balance between light and dark is a retarded Disney meme, based around the misunderstanding of the fact that "The Force" isn't both the dark and light side, it is only the light side. There is "The Force" and "The Dark Side of the Force" and while it may be called "dark SIDE" it's not actually part of "The Force" but rather a corruption of it. The Force's will is to have good triumph over evil and that is why that theme is at the core of the Star Wars galaxy, not some retarded "balance" bullshit.

>>28912

Anakin* Fuck me.

>>28905

I never even knew this existed. Its kind of neat. Were there other "Making of" books like this?

>>28911

>and the concept of balance ties into the rest of the themes in the movies way better than eradication of the dark side.

What the Rakatafag said. Anakin was the Chosen One, who was to restore balance to the Force. Anakin did this by destroying the Sith. The dark side is a perversion of the Force, the result of sentient beings forcibly binding it to their will and controlling it, rather than allowing it to guide them. Balance in the Force means eliminating the dark side, not having the two be in equal power.

I also notice you've been deafeningly silent on muh Dark Empire now that more than one piece of evidence has been posted against your sperging.

>>28917

Don't get him started. Otherwise he'll just resort to sperging on multiple threads again.

>>28916

The magazines had all kinds of behind the scenes stuff. Sometimes they promote a new book with a related short story, sometimes its interviews with crew members working on the films or some project going on. I was never a subscriber or anything, I just pirated the digital versions. That Dark Empire piece was actually from 2015, way after the disney purchase. I didn't know Insider still featured good shit like that.

>>28912

>None of George's films had an actual balance between Sith and Jedi

Return of the Jedi literally ends with both the Jedi and the Sith wiped out. Luke isn't a Jedi.

>>28922

>Luke isn't a Jedi.

>>28922

>Luke isn't a Jedi.

Luke disagrees quite strongly.

>>28917

>I also notice you've been deafeningly silent on muh Dark Empire now that more than one piece of evidence has been posted against your sperging

>evidence

It's the exact same thing as before, someone who isn't George, saying George liked something from the EU, that George never commented on publicly. And I already said before, that it makes no difference if George did like the clone sheev plotline. I have tremendous respect for George and I think he's a great artist, and I love all six of his movies, but I don't need to agree with him on every opinion. You turned this into some argument about authority when my original point was that clone emperors suck. If you really want me to talk about Dark Empire some more, I'll storytime it, because I haven't read it in a long time. Maybe I'll notice new things.

>>28918

This drama shit is boring as fuck, I'm done with it. Nothing but the same things being said over and over again.

>>28924

Luke never saw the Prequel version of the Jedi. He has no idea what a Jedi actually is. Luke represents true balance. The one thing that Disney did that I liked was Luke saying the Jedi needed to end, everything else about his portrayal was complete dogshit, but that one point rung true to me if you were to watch the Prequels, and then the OT and then the sequels. I would have liked to see what George's plan for Luke was, but at this point all we have is Return of the Jedi and the a lot of EU material which is very uneven.

>>28925

>He has no idea what a Jedi actually is.

Wrong. Luke has a better idea of what a Jedi is than the prequel ones did; that is the point, and the reason the line is expressed at the very moment where he surpasses what Obi-Wan and Yoda thought possible by giving up his saber for the kindling light in Vader. Luke represents the spirit of light: optimism, positive thinking, and belief in the goodness of man. The light side is not doctrinal, which was the folly of the Council in the prequels.

>>28933

In that case we actually agree in concept, we're just arguing over words. Jedi means to you what balance means to me, to me Jedi doesn't mean that because every Jedi we've seen aside from Luke and Qui Gon are totally unbalanced and terrible people.

>>28922

Fucking hell you're retarded.

>>28925

>This drama shit is boring as fuck, I'm done with it. Nothing but the same things being said over and over again.

Didn't stop you from making a whole thread for Dark Empire. Seriously, the more you try to force your views in such a spergy manner on everyone else, the more it makes you look like a desperate autist.

>>28935

He literally says "I am a Jedi" and Palpatine seconds it. How explicit would you need it to be?

The Emperor gets no smiling force ghost at the end for a reason.

>>28942

>"Didn't stop you from making a whole thread for Dark Empire"

Yes, I literally say that I'll make a thread for Dark Empire in the post you are responding to right here, right now. Can you not even read? Why shouldn't there be a Dark Empire storytime thread? It seems to make a lot more sense to actually present it than it does to just keep on talking about it based off of faulty memory.

>>28945

Yes, he says "I am a Jedi" because in his mind Jedi represents balance. I'm not arguing about Luke's idea of the Jedi in that moment, I'm talking about the Jedi we've seen in every other story set in the Star Wars universe. You understand what I'm saying.

>the emperor gets no smiling force ghost at the end for a reason

Yeah, because he's pure evil. What argument are you making?

>>28925

>It's the exact same thing as before, someone who isn't George, saying George liked something from the EU, that George never commented on publicly. And I already said before, that it makes no difference if George did like the clone sheev plotline. I have tremendous respect for George and I think he's a great artist, and I love all six of his movies, but I don't need to agree with him on every opinion. You turned this into some argument about authority when my original point was that clone emperors suck. If you really want me to talk about Dark Empire some more, I'll storytime it, because I haven't read it in a long time. Maybe I'll notice new things.

Nobody gives a shit. The main argument was whether or not George approved of Dark Empire. Proof was posted. You proceeded to reject said proof because it didn't fit with your narrative. Nobody's arguing whether its good or bad, the point was to prove that you were wrong >>28119

which you were.

>>28342

>>28344

Wow, and you're still here. An unpredictable lose canon is totally a joy to have lurking about.

>>28994

>The main argument was whether or not George approved of Dark Empire

It wasn't and you still haven't provided any proof for that, you have other people speaking for George, which isn't proof at all and was already posted before. Now how about instead of appealing to authority, you try to defend Dark Empire with your own points.

>An unpredictable lose canon is totally a joy to have lurking about.

>lose canon

What am I, the protagonist in an 80s cop film or something? You can either perpetuate the drama and your own ass hurt, or we can just go back to talking about Star Wars.

>>27892

>Alderaan faggotry

Alderaan truly is the California of Star Wars.

>>27863

>Panaka goes against the BASED BLACK MAN idea

>Have BASED BLACK MAN kill the race traitor

Why am I not even surprised?