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Moff Panaka is in the house.
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No.28483
>>28471
>I'd argue that Thrawn being somewhat unknowable in his original appearance was kind of the point.
Wouldn't disagree, I said as much in >>27978. Was talking more about Gary Stu villains in a general sense.
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No.28484
>>28481
But the comic specifically says that the core worlders think lesser of the rim worlds whether they're human or not. Doesn't sound like race to me.
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No.28487
>>28481
>>28484
Still, anti-alien sentiment among humans was already something established to be relatively common in the EU and was more evident under the rule of Palpatine- as he found it a useful tool for securing his rule. It seems that the mouse has been trying to have their ebil fascist racist stand-in and making the Empire more diverse and tolerant at the same time due to so many of their writers being to pussified to actually write evil characters properly.
Seriously, why do SJWs always end up doing that? What's the point of labeling your villians pure evil when you're too much of wuss to actually put yourself in their perspective and actually write them that way?
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No.28488
>>28478
Full page for context.
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No.28490
>>28488
That's pretty explicit about it being a racism thing.
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No.28491
>>28488
Alright, that makes a bit more sense. However, as Thrawn is an ayy, it's still in keeping with what came before. Got anything else?
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No.28492
>>28487
>saving my sloppy OC
I'm honored, acolyte.
I think they're trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want to have this super ebil space notsee Empire but don't want to offend anyone so they end up making half of this racist regime be aliens and some shade of brown. I also think that all creativity (what little was left anyways) has been drained from the industry and is now been replaced with this wishwashy crap that caters to everyone and appeals to no one.
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No.28739
>>28117
Or, you know, people have different individual tastes where they're allowed to like thinks you don't like. So no matter how much it triggers your sorry ass, people are allowed to have their own preferences and like Thrawn and books you didn't like, just like people who don't like any part of the Tales books.
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No.28748
>>27824
At least he got rid of that goofy hat and puffed clothes.
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No.28753
>>28748
One of the best reasons to join the empire is the uniforms. That shit is rad.
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No.28770
>>28739
Or, you know, people have different individual tastes where they're allowed to like thinks you don't like. So no matter how much it triggers your sorry ass, people are allowed to have their own preferences and like Rey and the Wendig books you didn't like, just like people who don't like any part of Legends.
Uncanny isn't it? How you can just change three words from your post and you're now indistinguishable from a redditor.
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No.28774
>>28770
Man, people said they liked Thrawn. You got upset and started calling them cucks and redditors, much like you're doing now. IE you started giving people shit for liking what you don't like, so people started acting the same in your direction. You're trying to bring conflict and divide on a board where Disney shit is practically verboten and calling anyone who disagrees with you a Disneyfag. Who the fuck is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you sound like such a pretentious faggot who uses buzzwords like "anyone I don't like is a redditor" to get his points across?
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No.28784
>>28774
Nice revionist history. What I did was begin to criticize Thrawn and then immeaditely get dogpilled by group-think retards who can't handle dissenting opinion. You're projecting your own inability to deal with alternative views onto me. Thrawn is at best a mediocre and forgettable antagonist, he is popular solely due to the fact that he triggers the nostalgia strings in people's hearts. He is made worse by the fact that Zahn inserted him into every part of Star Wars he could, including the Clone Wars. He went from being an okay villian to the most overrated OC in the entire Expanded Universe. I don't expect for you to ever be able to talk about those points without massively sperging out, though. As nearly everyone on this board, the hot Pocket included, has shown they can't handle criticism unless it comes from Disney tier dipshit. If someone with taste says something you like is bad, you simply don't know how to react in any way that doesn't come off as insanely triggered.
I've been posting on this board for over a year, and I criticized all sorts of elements and had all sorts of arguments in different threads, they were all fun, it was only when I started reading works with Thrawn in them, and then I started criticizing them as I have no nostalgic attachment to them, that I started to get my posts deleted and got the board owner anchoring my thread.
And no, I was not the faggot who started shilling Disney movies, that was likely one of you trying to make me look bad. It is precisely because I do hate Disney Wars that I can accurately criticize the EU. I'm not coming to the EU with any preconcieved notions or stances, I'm experiencing it as purely as one possibly can and I'm not going to pretend to like things that I don't like just to satisfy you or anyone else. You have the right to like Zahn's Shadow the Hedgehog tier character, and I have the right to hate him.
I'm not coming up with onique opinions just to be unique either, I have no problem liking things that other people like. I read Dawn if the Jedi for the first time a few days ago and started story timing it because I thought it was great. As for your apparent hatred for Tales, I find that amusing as Tales exists in a way where it intrudes on absolutely nothing. It is presented in a way that allows people to take what they like, and disregard what they don't. My biggest problem with the works of Kevin J. Anderson is the fact that he had to leave all of his stories into every other story so it would be almost impossible to disregard his stuff if you wanted to enjoy the EU. His attempt to include IG-88 in the finale of Return of the Jedi is one of the most egregious examples of his shitty and narcissistic storytelling.
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No.28786
>>28784
I am posting on a phone, so there are typos.
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No.28801
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No.28806
>>28784
And when did I say I gave a shit about IG-88? I don't like Tales. I don't like IG-88. And you don't like Thrawn. We're allowed to like or disliked what we want regardless if we think its shit. The difference is Disneyfags are actively antagonizing old fans and EU fans in the same way you're antagonizing anyone who disagrees with you. Disney and their fags shat on the entirety of the old lore, its fans and to top it all off are using a once beloved franchise for SJW moralfagging. But just keep lumping anyone who likes something you don't like in with Disneyfags. The EU in its entirety varies in quality and even I'm on board with it 100%, but I'm not going to talk down those who like even the bad stuff of it, because even the bad stuff is harmless nerd wank unlike the malicious faggotry created by Disney.
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No.28822
>>28784
>I started criticizing them as I have no nostalgic attachment to them
You're on an imageboard; given the mean age chances are most of the people disagreeing with you are too young to have nostalgia for Heir to the Empire, and you have no special perspective to give you hidden knowledge.
>I AM THE BOARD
Do you honestly think this makes you seem more credible? No one gives a shit how long you've been posting, stop with the soft avatarfagging. No one besides you has brought up Tales, Darksaber, Kevin Anderson, or IG-88 either, enough with the spergy derailing unless you insist on embarrassing yourself more than you already have.
>I'm not coming up with onique opinions just to be unique either, I have no problem liking things that other people like.
See, you say that, and then you immediately say you like Dawn of the Jedi, which a fair few people on this board don't like because of the big-brained centrist approach to the Force.
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No.28824
>>28784
>I've been posting on this board for over a year
Hi newfag.
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No.28828
>>28822
>See, you say that, and then you immediately say you like Dawn of the Jedi, which a fair few people on this board don't like because of the big-brained centrist approach to the Force
What the fuck are you even talking about? Because he talks about balance, the exact same shit they talk about in the movies?
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No.28870
>>28784
>I've been posting on this board for over a year
Bullshit. You may not notice it but your brand of spergery seems ooze into everything you make. It was around the time that thread for Marvel's Darth Vader comic was made (a month ago) that an element of sperg faggotry started showing up on the board more regularly with some faggot actively trying to derail threads into his personal fighting ring. But if you have been around for longer than that, you sure as hell weren't as active, which was probably for the best.
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No.28871
>>28828
>Because he talks about balance, the exact same shit they talk about in the movies?
George has explicitly said more than once that "balance" meant destroying the dark side, not new-age hipster shit. The fact that you didn't even know this sentiment existed on the board is proof you haven't been around very long.
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No.28878
>>28784
>Banking Clan
of course.
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No.28903
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No.28904
>>28118
>>28119
>>28120
>>28123
this "Lucas loved Dark Empire" meme always comes up in every corner of the internet when people bring up Palpatine clones. I can't find the original source either, but it's not hard to believe. There have always been quotes and rumors of Lucas checking out the comics, which makes sense considering he smuggled Aayla Secura and Quinlan Vos into the prequels (Vos by name only unless you count TPM, although he was included in an early concept of the Order 66 sequence on Kashyyyk and actually made it into the ROTS comic adaptation).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srPud_kQous
Either way, the anecdote about Lucas enjoying Dark Empire even gets brought up in the 3-part 2015 Dark Empire retrospective written for Insider. At this point in time, I'd say that's as official as it's ever going to get. Here's the quote:
"When issue one of Dark Empire premiered in December 1991, three years after Veitch had sent his first letter to lucasfilm, it stunned the comics world, selling hundreds of thousands of copies both in issues and as collected graphic novels. Filmmaker George Lucas, an avid comic book art collector himself, was so impressed by it he gave copies of the graphic novel away to his employees as the annual Lucasfilm Christmas gift. Most of all, its incredible success changed how licensed properties were handled in the industry. "
I'll dump the entire thing in this thread since there are a lot of based Dark Empire fans. The quote above is from the last two pages in part 3 (Insider 159)
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No.28905
>>28904
that concludes the first part
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No.28906
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No.28907
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No.28908
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No.28909
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No.28911
>>28871
>George has explicitly said more than once that "balance" meant destroying the dark side
And he's also said the exact opposite of that. All we have to go on is what's in the movies, and the concept of balance ties into the rest of the themes in the movies way better than eradication of the dark side.
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No.28912
>>28911
>>28911
>the concept of balance ties into the rest of the themes in the movies way better than eradication of the dark side
Maybe you should try backing up what you say instead of just saying it. I call bullshit given the OT is about light overcoming darkness, and the PT is about setting up that struggle. Also by your retarded logic the only time the force was balanced was during the Old Republic when there were large numbers of both Sith and Jedi. None of George's films had an actual balance between Sith and Jedi no matter how you look at it given there were either a shit ton of jedi and 2 sith, or 2 sith and almost no jedi.
The whole prophecy around Anikin wasn't about actual balance in the force, that's what the Jedi got wrong. Anikin was destined to defeat the dark side (represented by Sheev as the last of the Sith), that was the prophecy the whole time. Actual balance between light and dark is a retarded Disney meme, based around the misunderstanding of the fact that "The Force" isn't both the dark and light side, it is only the light side. There is "The Force" and "The Dark Side of the Force" and while it may be called "dark SIDE" it's not actually part of "The Force" but rather a corruption of it. The Force's will is to have good triumph over evil and that is why that theme is at the core of the Star Wars galaxy, not some retarded "balance" bullshit.
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No.28913
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No.28916
>>28905
I never even knew this existed. Its kind of neat. Were there other "Making of" books like this?
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No.28917
>>28911
>and the concept of balance ties into the rest of the themes in the movies way better than eradication of the dark side.
What the Rakatafag said. Anakin was the Chosen One, who was to restore balance to the Force. Anakin did this by destroying the Sith. The dark side is a perversion of the Force, the result of sentient beings forcibly binding it to their will and controlling it, rather than allowing it to guide them. Balance in the Force means eliminating the dark side, not having the two be in equal power.
I also notice you've been deafeningly silent on muh Dark Empire now that more than one piece of evidence has been posted against your sperging.
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No.28918
>>28917
Don't get him started. Otherwise he'll just resort to sperging on multiple threads again.
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No.28919
>>28916
The magazines had all kinds of behind the scenes stuff. Sometimes they promote a new book with a related short story, sometimes its interviews with crew members working on the films or some project going on. I was never a subscriber or anything, I just pirated the digital versions. That Dark Empire piece was actually from 2015, way after the disney purchase. I didn't know Insider still featured good shit like that.
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No.28922
>>28912
>None of George's films had an actual balance between Sith and Jedi
Return of the Jedi literally ends with both the Jedi and the Sith wiped out. Luke isn't a Jedi.
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No.28923
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>>28922
>Luke isn't a Jedi.
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No.28924
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>>28922
>Luke isn't a Jedi.
Luke disagrees quite strongly.
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No.28925
>>28917
>I also notice you've been deafeningly silent on muh Dark Empire now that more than one piece of evidence has been posted against your sperging
>evidence
It's the exact same thing as before, someone who isn't George, saying George liked something from the EU, that George never commented on publicly. And I already said before, that it makes no difference if George did like the clone sheev plotline. I have tremendous respect for George and I think he's a great artist, and I love all six of his movies, but I don't need to agree with him on every opinion. You turned this into some argument about authority when my original point was that clone emperors suck. If you really want me to talk about Dark Empire some more, I'll storytime it, because I haven't read it in a long time. Maybe I'll notice new things.
>>28918
This drama shit is boring as fuck, I'm done with it. Nothing but the same things being said over and over again.
>>28924
Luke never saw the Prequel version of the Jedi. He has no idea what a Jedi actually is. Luke represents true balance. The one thing that Disney did that I liked was Luke saying the Jedi needed to end, everything else about his portrayal was complete dogshit, but that one point rung true to me if you were to watch the Prequels, and then the OT and then the sequels. I would have liked to see what George's plan for Luke was, but at this point all we have is Return of the Jedi and the a lot of EU material which is very uneven.
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No.28933
>>28925
>He has no idea what a Jedi actually is.
Wrong. Luke has a better idea of what a Jedi is than the prequel ones did; that is the point, and the reason the line is expressed at the very moment where he surpasses what Obi-Wan and Yoda thought possible by giving up his saber for the kindling light in Vader. Luke represents the spirit of light: optimism, positive thinking, and belief in the goodness of man. The light side is not doctrinal, which was the folly of the Council in the prequels.
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No.28935
>>28933
In that case we actually agree in concept, we're just arguing over words. Jedi means to you what balance means to me, to me Jedi doesn't mean that because every Jedi we've seen aside from Luke and Qui Gon are totally unbalanced and terrible people.
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No.28942
>>28922
Fucking hell you're retarded.
>>28925
>This drama shit is boring as fuck, I'm done with it. Nothing but the same things being said over and over again.
Didn't stop you from making a whole thread for Dark Empire. Seriously, the more you try to force your views in such a spergy manner on everyone else, the more it makes you look like a desperate autist.
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No.28945
>>28935
He literally says "I am a Jedi" and Palpatine seconds it. How explicit would you need it to be?
The Emperor gets no smiling force ghost at the end for a reason.
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No.28948
>>28942
>"Didn't stop you from making a whole thread for Dark Empire"
Yes, I literally say that I'll make a thread for Dark Empire in the post you are responding to right here, right now. Can you not even read? Why shouldn't there be a Dark Empire storytime thread? It seems to make a lot more sense to actually present it than it does to just keep on talking about it based off of faulty memory.
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No.28951
>>28945
Yes, he says "I am a Jedi" because in his mind Jedi represents balance. I'm not arguing about Luke's idea of the Jedi in that moment, I'm talking about the Jedi we've seen in every other story set in the Star Wars universe. You understand what I'm saying.
>the emperor gets no smiling force ghost at the end for a reason
Yeah, because he's pure evil. What argument are you making?
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No.28994
>>28925
>It's the exact same thing as before, someone who isn't George, saying George liked something from the EU, that George never commented on publicly. And I already said before, that it makes no difference if George did like the clone sheev plotline. I have tremendous respect for George and I think he's a great artist, and I love all six of his movies, but I don't need to agree with him on every opinion. You turned this into some argument about authority when my original point was that clone emperors suck. If you really want me to talk about Dark Empire some more, I'll storytime it, because I haven't read it in a long time. Maybe I'll notice new things.
Nobody gives a shit. The main argument was whether or not George approved of Dark Empire. Proof was posted. You proceeded to reject said proof because it didn't fit with your narrative. Nobody's arguing whether its good or bad, the point was to prove that you were wrong >>28119
which you were.
>>28342
>>28344
Wow, and you're still here. An unpredictable lose canon is totally a joy to have lurking about.
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No.29000
>>28994
>The main argument was whether or not George approved of Dark Empire
It wasn't and you still haven't provided any proof for that, you have other people speaking for George, which isn't proof at all and was already posted before. Now how about instead of appealing to authority, you try to defend Dark Empire with your own points.
>An unpredictable lose canon is totally a joy to have lurking about.
>lose canon
What am I, the protagonist in an 80s cop film or something? You can either perpetuate the drama and your own ass hurt, or we can just go back to talking about Star Wars.
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No.30331
>>27892
>Alderaan faggotry
Alderaan truly is the California of Star Wars.
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No.30536
>>27863
>Panaka goes against the BASED BLACK MAN idea
>Have BASED BLACK MAN kill the race traitor
Why am I not even surprised?
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