No.22208 [View All]
I feel like I'm being gaslit on Star wars so I thought I'd ask if any one else felt the same way. I've been into nerd shit since the early 90s. I remember Star wars being a flash in the pan where no one cared much about it. The movies came and went as popular things do, games sold okay and books sold to the nerd crowd. It was a series which nerds kept afloat but it wasn't something colossal. It was no bigger than Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday the 13th. Big for it's time but nothing sustaining it.
The special editions were announced and made out to be this huge deal. Star wars was going to be back in the cinemas again and it was SUPER HYPE EPIC. But very few people gave a shit. They did okay and the nerd crowd went. It wasn't anything big. It definitely wasn't a legendary return or anything like that.
Then the prequels hit and episode 1 was every where. People went nuts for it because it was the real kick off point for CGI. The story didn't matter, people went for the effects and to enjoy the universe/darth maul. People didn't bitch or say it was bad because it fulfilled it's goals as a 90 minute CGI fest. Pod racing was cool, Maul was cool, Jedi were cool. Even the fish segment was considered pretty awesome.
Attack of the clones came out and it did okay. It wasn't any where near the hype of episode 1 but it was still hyped up. People went to see it to see more Star wars and be entertained with special effects again but special effects weren't as unique as episode 1s so it kind of slid down the hype a bit. People's biggest complaint was the movie ending just as the war kicked off.
Episode 3 didn't generate any where near as much hyper as episode 1 but it outdid episode 2. People wanted to see the jedi fight and while it was more of a "I'll pick it up on DVD" movie it was still well received.
A few years back I stumbled across the RLM videos tearing the prequels apart and it was news to me that people didn't like them. They had been pop corn flicks at the time and liked the same way Antman is now. It was like a whole revision of history was happening because people on the internet made shitty videos about them.
Now I look at the hype around old star wars and I see it being made out to be this HUGE EPIC TOTALLY DEFINING SOCIETY franchise that I never saw at any point up until TFA was announced. It influenced special effects with both trilogies and lead to many knock offs but it's a lot like Jurassic park in that aspect. It's visually impressive pop corn fodder not 24 hour a day pride parades in disney land.
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No.25555
>>25554
I trust the hunter with these types of things. They're good at sniffing out rats.
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No.25638
>>25548
Oh no, have I made a Kennedyfilm-lover cry? Lol!
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No.25650
>>22824
>It's Popeye
I sort of resent that remark, old-school popeye is at least charming and competently put together
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No.25673
>>25544
>Do you also think Boba Fett's real name is Jaster Mereel?
That was the case for ages before George went and shat the bed with Boba. But even afterwards it still worked as an alias taken from his father's mentor who was also named Jaster, you pleb.
>>25638
>liking EU material means we like Disney
The fuck?
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No.25676
>>25544
>LMAO! At least I presume it's an EU book? Either that or something from Disney, which I still consider EU and not canon. Do you also think Boba Fett's real name is Jaster Mereel? It says so in the EU afterall!
Are you new? Disney was the one that killed the EU, and unlike with Disney, the EU was restricted with what George wanted, the problem was George was always making retcons, even to his own movies. Also, the cg Clone Wars was more Disney-esque than previous Star Wars media than the EU itself.
>>25544
>It says so in the EU afterall!
Nigger, you're database is way out of date.
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No.25695
>>25673
>>25676
EU is basically fan fiction, like the Disney movies and anything else they produce like books and comics. EU is only proper canon when either George Lucas is involved or he declares something in the EU canon, which has only happened a few times. He has always said that the EU is an "alternate universe" of Star Wars and not proper canon.
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No.25696
>>25695
>hurr-durr Eee Yuu am fan fickshon
Somebody doesn't understand canon tiers
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No.25697
>>25695
Am I going to have to link you to a feature length video about all the reasons you're wrong?
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No.25698
>>25696
>Somebody doesn't understand canon tiers
The only tier that matters is George Lucas tier.
>>25697
>Am I going to have to link you to a feature length video about all the reasons you're wrong?
Is it going to be some fan of the EU crying about George Lucas contradicting it?
Since so many of you seem to think the EU is canon then you must think that Star Trek is canon in Star Wars, since Captain Kirk & co made a cameo in the comic adaptation of Dark Force Rising?
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No.25699
>>25698
Oh, it's one of THOSE folk.
So, I have a question in that case. Is Shadows of the Empire canon considering that George was consulted directly on the project and considered it canon himself?
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No.25701
>>25698
> I don't know what a cameo is and I can't appreciate it
Boy you sure must be fun at parties.
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No.25703
>>25695
>he has always said
Wrongo. That was only one instance. George's opinion on the EU was constantly changing much like how he constantly retconned the material and stories within his own films or how Anakin suddenly had to have an apprentice. Or the fact that Dooku regularly appeared in front of Anakin in the Clone Wars cartoon by Filoni despite that Revenge of the Sith implied they hadn't seen each other since Attack of the Clones. Also since when has George ever given a shit about Canon? This is the man who made it so Greedo shot first.
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No.25711
>>25699
Yes, like you said George declared it canon before it was even released. IIRC he called it "a Star Wars movie without a movie".
>>25703
He has talked about it many times. If he didn't give a shit about canon then he would have never talked about the EU that way as he'd want them to sell more. They would sell a lot more if he had said "All the EU is canon and essential to the Star Wars story, so make sure you buy it all!"
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No.25714
>>25711
Young George:
>"After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story—however many films it took to tell—was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga."
Leland Chee:
>"GL is certainly not bound by the EU, though he's certainly open to using things created in it (Aayla Secura and the Coruscant name, for example). On the other hand, the quote you provide makes it sound like the EU is separate from George's vision of the Star Wars universe. It is not. The EU must follow certain tenets set by George through the films and other guidelines that he provides outside of the films."
And prior to selling to Disney, George was planning on making a sequel trilogy which goes against what he previously said in 2008:
>"I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX."
George's opinions and "true canon" is constantly in flux.
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No.25717
>>25711
I'm guessing you're not a fan of tabletop?
>>25698
>Since so many of you seem to think the EU is canon then you must think that Star Trek is canon in Star Wars, since Captain Kirk & co made a cameo in the comic adaptation of Dark Force Rising?
How is poking fun at a humorous cameo an argument? That's like being mad that Star Trek TNG had Urusei Yatsura references or that planet Oniboshi was on the list of Federation-explored worlds. Also that doesn't invalidate Dark Forces or its comic as fun pieces of media. I get you're a hardcore Filoni Wars fag, but even that shit made tons of references to the EU while also having as many silly or inconsistent things as anything else, whether something has the Canon label on it or not doesn't make it any less good or bad, and even when the EU was under George, he may not have kept track of the stories but he always enforced his rules on everyone, with anything that upset him being shoved into Infinities or complete non-canon status, like the Jedi Academy trilogy, which he hated, especially the author for wanting to kill Luke. Then there's Dark Empire which George loved so much he gave copies of it to people at Lucasfilm during a Christmas party in 1994.
Anything prior to the Disney buyout has more than its fair share of enjoyment, while everything after Disney is just really woke material for normalfags devoid of any enjoyment or sense of freedom. Another good thing about the pre-Disney period was that you could take what you want and leave what you didn't want, while under Disney you're expected and forced to know what's going, even in regards to their shit new films, while George and the EU did not have to constantly rely on each other to be enjoyed. Seriously, how did you even come to the conclusion that EU fans are Disney fans? If anything OT purists and Filoni Wars fans are the biggest defenders of Disney.
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No.25723
>>22320
((((((((National Film Registry)))))))))
Plenty of better things don't even get considered. It's all a meme.
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No.25724
>>25714
Your first quote is probably out of context. I'm guessing he is being asked about the books and comics being released and at that point he's being polite as it's early on. Your second quote isn't George Lucas and is a vague and cagey answer. Just because George set guidelines for the EU doesn't make them proper canon. He basically didn't want them totally contradicting things he had already written. And your last quote is laughable. He clearly didn't want people talking about sequels as he wasn't ready to commit to them then, especially after being (unfairly) attacked over the prequels. He secretly signed up Mark, Carrie and Harrison for the sequels only a few years after that and before he decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney. Also that has nothing to do with canon beyond people thinking that they wouldn't get sequel movies.
>>25717
>How is poking fun at a humorous cameo an argument?
How is "Well this EU is canon but that EU obviously isn't canon." (other than stuff George Lucas declared himself) an argument? George Lucas created Star Wars, wrote the stories for all the Star Wars movies and was involved in the TV shows and a few other things. That is the story he wanted to tell. That is canon. Although I obviously wish he never sold it to Disney he did it in good faith as he was promised (on camera even!) that they would use his stories to continue the movies so it would stay canon. They lied. Which is why he quit Lucasfilm as Creative Consultant. I'm not saying you can't like fan faction, but stop pretending it's (proper, not within it's own alternate universe) canon when it isn't. I hope one day George Lucas' sequels will be revealed, either by Disney coming to its senses and rebooting the sequels or just the sequel stories being leaked and a very good fan film being made of them. Because although the latter might technically only be fan films they wouldn't technically be fan fiction, they would be canon.
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No.25725
>>25698
You saying trekkies aren't good enough for Star Wars? Also Max from Sam & Max was in a Star Wars game and nobody gave a shit because it was fun and a nice reference to the fact that lucasfilm worked on Sam & Max and Star Wars games.
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No.25726
>>25724
>First quote doesn't agree with me so it must be out of context
Looks like you're grasping at straws yourself, m8. That quote was from 1994 when asked about the nature of the EU. Georgia's opinions change regularly. It's not a hard concept to understand.
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No.25727
>>25724
Its Cannon as long as it had the official label on it and was done with George's consent regardless of whether or not he was involved in a project. He was also involved in the later stories that took place surrounding Jacen and Anakin solo, and he always made specific request regarding characters and how they should be portrayed and what things are or aren't allowed within the setting. In other words he tells people what they could or couldn't do and from there it was up to them to the side how to execute something without going against his explicit demands. Also since when has the term Canon ever been important within Star Wars? George himself never restricted himself even to his own Canon and even gave us a complete different Anakin than than one we knew from the prequels in the Clone Wars cartoon and all the media that came out around the same time.
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No.25728
>>25726
I just looked it up. It could have been anytime from the late 70s/early 80s to 1994 because it was just a quote they included as an introduction to the 1994 reprint of Splinter Of The Mind's Eye. It could have even been basically talking about the book itself after it was first released, since the book was written as a story for an alternate and cheaper to make sequel in case he didn't get to make Empire Strikes Back, since he wanted a way to keep Star Wars alive.
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No.25729
>>25727
>Its Cannon as long as it had the official label on it and was done with George's consent regardless of whether or not he was involved in a project.
In that case many of the Star Wars chracters turned into various objects including Pez dispensers. I don't know which books or comics explained how that happened though. You EU fanboys are almost as pathetic as the SJW Kennedyfilm worshippers. Especially those of you who are anti-George Lucas. Star Wars wouldn't exist without him. However I wouldn't be surprised if some of those EU stories would have existed without him as the authors might have written them anyway as just their own sci-fi stories with their own titles and different character names. But whether or not that might have happened they're currently all just fan fiction. No different to T.R.O.O.P.S or Pink 5.
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No.25730
>>25728
>It could have even been basically talking about the book itself after it was first released
There's no evidence to support that claim and George himself states in that quote:
>Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga."
Splinter of the Mind's Eye was the first piece of EU material (not counting the novelization of ANH that came out in the 70s), so there wasn't a legacy yet or "many gifted writers" until the early 90s where there was now more content than before. Why are you clearly avoiding this part of the quote that was clearly made long after the OT was finished. As others have said, you're grasping at straws as hard as anyone else in this thread, but the difference is someone presented a quote proving your point apocryphal and you're just trying to run around it. George's thoughts and opinions are not set in stone, and even in the 90s he originally conceived the clones as being the "evil faction" of the prequels under the control of the "clone masters" when asked by Zahn and others, but George is not one to tie himself down to the restrictions of something as vague and flexible as the canon of a fictional medium, which exists to be flexible. The EU and even Clone Wars by Filoni are no more canon than anything else until George decides otherwise. Much like the Droids or Ewoks cartoons of the 80s which had direct input from George but in the end he placed them in the same state of apocrypha when they no longer followed his current desires.
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No.25731
>>25729
>In that case many of the Star Wars chracters turned into various objects including Pez dispensers.
Nice false equivalency there, faggot.
>Anti-George Lucas
Nice strawmanning. Who here has said they're anti-Lucas? They're giving you explanations as to what George would and could do, and you're just flat out ignoring it to preserve your own view of canon as anyone else here. The difference is you're mocking those who disagree with your view of canon despite that no one did that to you until you threw the first fucking stone.
> You EU fanboys are almost as pathetic as the SJW Kennedyfilm worshippers.
Again, nice false equivalency and strawmanning. Might as well play that card too and say you're being no different than Kennedy/Disney fanboys who demonize fans of George and the EU simply for not lapping up Kennedy, JJ and Rian's turds like dogs.
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No.25733
>>25728
>>25729
>>25730
>>25731
Can we please get back on topic? Personally it doesn't matter what's canon or isn't canon (even though I consider EU as canon as the special editions or the original versions of the films). What matters is it was all enjoyable for better or worse before Disney came along and there was more than enough for everyone to enjoy.
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No.25734
So to sum it up, big brained centrist says that EU fans are just like SJW Disneywar *"fans."
*note that there are no fans of Disneywars, only shills
>>25730
Speaking of the ANH novel, I have it right here and there are some really funny things about it. The back says ""FEATURING 16 PAGES OF FABULOUS FULL-COLOR PHOTOS FROM THIS SPECTACULAR SPACE-FANTASY MOTION PICTURE!" and all of the photos are grainy and washed. Not what I would consider "fabulous." Also some of the dialog is borked and not what was said in the movie but I can chalk that up to "autistic artistic freedom" on George's part.
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No.25740
>>25695
>actual OT purist autist
H'oh boy, we've got a live one. Lucas has said on more than one occasion that the star wars universe wasn't his alone, and welcomed efforts to expand upon the movies, with his (or Leland Chee's) approval of course. Hell, major elements from the EU (like Coruscant) eventually made their way onto the big screen. And for as much as you counter-signal against the mouse, remember that it's morons like you that led to Kennedy nuking the EU and replacing it with corporate-approved cuck fantasies.
>Your first quote is probably out of context. I'm guessing
>probably
>I'm guessing
So you don't actually know what George thinks on this and are projecting your own thoughts onto him. Nice of you to admit that, faggamuffin.
>Your second quote isn't George Lucas
No, it's just a major employee of Lucasfilm who regularly spoke with George and was in charge of determining what is and isn't canon. Nobody important or anything.
>>25729
>You EU fanboys are almost as pathetic as the SJW Kennedyfilm worshippers.
>Hurr, I am big-brain centrist
>I am in the middle therefore I am automatically nuanced and learned
>everyone besides my fellow fencesitters is a retard
You know, I'm beginning to understand why the Sith wanted you people exterminated. someone post that "this is a nuanced thing and I have a nuanced position" reaction with Jolee
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No.25747
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>25698
Alright nigger, you asked for it.
>>25729
Not really sure what you're going for by insisting that the random merchandising products have to be canon for the EU to have ever been considered canon. Claiming that Jar-Jar soap dispensers or C3-PO tape holders invalidate the EU is equally retarded as saying Star Wars lettuce or those RC BB-8s are an essential part of nu-canon.
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No.25773
So mod is a fag who banned me because I was "derailing?" Look at the fucking thread title. "Star Wars revisionism". That's exactly what I'm talking about, EU fags using revisionism to claim it's proper canon. And IP hopping? If my IP has changed between posts it must just be my ISP changing it between logins. But since you're being a total fag and refusing me my right of reply but not banning them, because you can't handle the truth and need their safe-space of lies, I will use different IPs to purposefully evade this and any other bans you try to dish out.
Now on to my replies
>>25730
>Splinter of the Mind's Eye was the first piece of EU material
No it wasn't. Marvel's Star Wars comic was. Sure, it started as just a comic of the movie but I think it had already begun original stories by the time Splinter Of The Mind's Eye came out in 1978.
>Much like the Droids or Ewoks cartoons of the 80s which had direct input from George but in the end he placed them in the same state of apocrypha when they no longer followed his current desires.
Technically Droids could still be canon. All that needs to happen is for George to say that at some point between Episode 3 & 4 something happened that caused them to come into possession of someone else for a while. And I don't know what stops the Ewoks cartoon from being canon. I can't remember whether it takes place before or after Return Of The Jedi or that much about many events in it.
>>25740
>>25734
How am I centrist? A centrist would say something like this guy >>25733
I'm saying movies and other media with George Lucas' direct involvement or anything he specifically declares so is canon. Whereas the EU and Kennedyfilm's Star Wars isn't canon. It's pretty clear and one-sided. The right side.
>>25747
So I was watching and it was mainly quotes from marketing and PR guys. It's their job to get people to buy as much Star Wars stuff as possible. Then after a couple of quotes from George Lucas the narrator says something like "Well he's not involved with it now so anything he said in the past is irrelevant." LMFAO!!! What a load of bullshit! I don't think I'm going to watch any further as what he said right there makes his video irrelevant.
Plus his explanation of "parallel universe" was totally retarded. Everybody knows that parallel universe means alternate universe. Nobody says parallel universe and actually means this universe but happening alongside the main narrative. Have you ever heard someone say "I was walking to the local shops after after it had been raining heavily when in a parallel universe a car went by through a big puddle which make a big splash which soaked me!"?
Also the quotes from other people in the company are fairly recent (in the 2000s) and they're obviously generalising canon as can be seen in at least one of the screenshots of text that mentioned C-canon. Now maybe all of you are as young as this guy, who was obviously born in the late 80s or early 90s judging by what he said about getting into Star Wars, but the tier thing is relatively recent. As in 2000s or possibly mid 90s at the earliest. I'm pretty sure it was created to pander to EU fags crying everytime it was pointed out that EU wasn't actually canon. So now they're saying "OK, EU can be sort of canon, just a lower tier of canon." I've been a fan of Star Wars since the start (it's among my first memories) and I can't remember when the term EU started but the reason for the term was to SEPARATE IT FROM CANON! Otherwise the EU stuff wouldn't be called anything other than Star Wars.
You lot are partly to blame for the Kennedyfilm travesties. (Although I liked Rogue One. Maybe at least least some of the original story was from George Lucas? Who knows.) By claiming that anything with Star Wars slapped onto it is proper canon you let them think they can just make any movies called Star Wars and that they don't have to make George's stories. The fact is that Disney/Kennedyfilm and EU are the same sort of thing. They are officially licensed fan fiction and not George's story. The only way fan fiction can be canon (other than him declaring it, as I said before) is if George had finished his story and said "OK, I'm done now. Others can take it from here." But that is NOT what he did. He said he was done with the business and wanted Disney and Lucasfilm to continue making HIS stories, THEN continue from there.
Tell me this. If there are some EU stories that take place after Return Of The Jedi that you absolutely hate, worse than the Last Jedi, and Kennedyfilm had decided to make them as the sequels instead and kept as close to the stories as possible would you regard them as proper canon?
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No.25776
>>25773
>So mod is a fag who banned me because I was "derailing?" Look at the fucking thread title. "Star Wars revisionism". That's exactly what I'm talking about, EU fags using revisionism to claim it's proper canon. And IP hopping? If my IP has changed between posts it must just be my ISP changing it between logins. But since you're being a total fag and refusing me my right of reply but not banning them, because you can't handle the truth and need their safe-space of lies, I will use different IPs to purposefully evade this and any other bans you try to dish out.
Oh and I'm guess you are doing any revisionism? People in this thread proved you wrong and you proved some wrong, but to deny you're as hard headed as any of them just makes you a hypocrite. Ewoks and Droids are also as "canon" as the rest of the EU which you loathe and George pretty much retconned them by setting 3PO as always being in service to the crew of the Tantive IV. George also said there was never any ideas of a sequel but he went around and went against his own narrative when he announced he'd be making his own sequels, only for him to stop that and proceed to sell everything to Disney. Also, you're view of something being "canon" is horribly skewed in that its only good if George is involved otherwise "lol pez dispensers". You're counters are mostly non-arguments that simply result to cherrypicking quotes to be used as proof yet you ignore any such counters that use the same methods to prove you wrong.
As for Marvel comics, the stories before Splinter were just an adaptation of the films. So there were hardly any authors and George's quote in said book never existed until its 1994 printing.
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No.25778
>>25740
Imagine being so retarded that you disregard Leland "Master of the Holocron" Chee because "it's not Georg"
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No.25779
Do you understand the meaning of "faggot" on these boards, faggot? I don't think you do.
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No.25780
>>25773
>I'm saying movies and other media with George Lucas' direct involvement or anything he specifically declares so is canon. Whereas the EU and Kennedyfilm's Star Wars isn't canon. It's pretty clear and one-sided. The right side.
Gee, I guess that's why George went through so much trouble to enforce a canon system and hire a guy for the sole purpose of keeping everything in check and enforcing his beliefs and story ideas onto other writers. George's idea of canon changes as seen with the special editions and the prequels. By the late 2000s he had already decided to make a soft reboot of the franchise with Clone Wars which was going to follow up with a whole new assortment of media which retold parts of the story. In the end it didn't matter because by 2011 he and Disney were already starting to cozy up.
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No.25781
>>25773
>No it wasn't. Marvel's Star Wars comic was.
Marvel comics weren't canon and aren't part of the EU. See how that works?
>How am I centrist?
>You EU fanboys are almost as pathetic as the SJW Kennedyfilm worshippers.
<[group] are almost as pathetic as [group they directly oppose]
Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
>So I was watching and it was mainly quotes from marketing and PR guys. It's their job to get people to buy as much Star Wars stuff as possible.
And? They're high up in Lucasfilm and work directly with Lucas, and were expressing George Lucas's thoughts about various things. Their motivations for canonizing the EU doesn't change the fact that they canonized the EU, but a nice attempt at damage control all the same.
>Then after a couple of quotes from George Lucas the narrator says something like "Well he's not involved with it now so anything he said in the past is irrelevant."
I find it hilarious that you say this now when just a few posts ago you were the one nbitching about context. And nice of you to just skip over the ~20 minutes of video that is nothing but Lucas quotes affirming the EU, it really shows you're coming at this honestly.
>I don't think I'm going to watch any further
>my opinion is being invalidated so I'll pretend the opposing side doesn't exist
>Plus his explanation of "parallel universe" was totally retarded
Not "parallel universe," just "parallel." It's tards such as yourself that saw the word "parallel," and with your lack of reading comprehension assumed it meant "universe."
>Also the quotes from other people in the company are fairly recent (in the 2000s)
Not an argument.
>Now maybe all of you are as young as this guy
"Retarded boomers" may be a tired meme but boy do I get a sense of satisfaction whenever it proves itself correct. HURRR IT HAPPENED RECENTLY isn't an argument either.
> the reason for the term was to SEPARATE IT FROM CANON
Or to, you know, distinguish from the movies. You still haven't addressed the multiple quotes from George Lucas in support of canon. Or the inclusion of EU characters in the films, such as George including his favorite character in a comic series in RotS specifically for the purpose of making sure he wasn't killed off in the comics. Or Timothy Zahn and James Luceno WORKING WITH LUCAS TO WRITE THEIR NOVELS.
>The only way fan fiction can be canon (other than him declaring it, as I said before)
Just so we're clear here:
–Including it in his movies isn't supporting it.
–Neither is agreeing to be chief consultant to major EU novelists
–Neither is telling authors what they can and can't do with their stories
–Hiring a guy to establish continuity and canon for the EU isn't an endorsement either
So as long as we follow your autistically narrow definition of what "declaring it" is, then you're partially correct. Fortunately, your opinion doesn't actually mean anything to anyone and we can safely use the agreed-upon definitions of words and not your personal dictionary of damage control.
>You lot are partly to blame for the Kennedyfilm travesties
Sure, us. Not retards such as yourself whining about how the EU needed to be destroyed and rebooted. Keep projecting, you redditspacing faggot.
>Although I liked Rogue One
Of course you did, you tasteless plebeian. As soon as you saw the nostalgia-triggering imagery your brain lost all capacity for critical thought and could only operate under rose colored glasses.
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No.25783
>>25779
As anons, we're beholden to give him an object lesson, no?
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No.25790
mostly unrelated, but I decided to check the reddit comments tab on invidous for this video- and look who showed up to do damage contro for the mouse
>>25773
>I'm saying movies and other media with George Lucas' direct involvement or anything he specifically declares so is canon.
And somehow giving people permission to officially fill in the gaps as well as assigning someone to keep watch over continuity doesn't count?
>>25773
>he said right there makes his video irrelevant
Alright, just don't expect me to take your criticisms of the video seriously then.
>but the reason for the term was to SEPARATE IT FROM CANON!
No, the reason the tiers system came around was to sort out continuity issues between early EU content like the Marvel comics and the Han Solo novels and newer material that had been made with more coordination between writers and more attention to smaller details about canon. Essentially, most of the canon tiers are more or less equally valid unless they conflict with a higher one. For example, the movies are at the top of the pyramid- but Dark Forces or Republic Commando are equally valid sources of continuity except for anything that would directly contradict the movies, seeing as those are the highest authority on what constitutes Star Wars aside from statements from Lucas himself obviously jokes he made don't count, and nor does anything after he sold the franchise.
It's not really as complicated as some have made it out to be.
>If there are some EU stories that take place after Return Of The Jedi that you absolutely hate, worse than the Last Jedi, and Kennedyfilm had decided to make them as the sequels instead and kept as close to the stories as possible would you regard them as proper canon?
The thing is, is pretty much impossible to make anything less coherent than TLJ. So it's pretty much a guarantee that even the worst of the post-ROTJ content from the original continuity would be infinitely better as films than what we got. It's not that I don't recognize that Disney has full creative control now, it's that I regard the old canon to be infinitely superior to what the mouse brought to the table. But to answer your question- yes, I consider stuff like the Holiday Special and the Ewok films to be canon.
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No.25794
>>25790
>picture
>I'm as big a legends fan as anyone
Sure thing, boyo.
>But to answer your question- yes, I consider stuff like the Holiday Special and the Ewok films to be canon.
Wasn't the Holiday special S-canon?
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No.25801
>>25794
I stopped trusting EckhartsLadder ages ago. Did that post get him any heat or did Reddit kiss his ass as usual? Also what became of his war against Wookieepedia's breast article? I want that shit to be the first article I "improve" once the Baobab Archives are up and running.
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No.25802
>>25801
>Did that post get him any heat or did Reddit kiss his ass as usual?
No idea, I haven't used reddit in quite a few years now. Being reddit I have to assume they did, yes.
>Also what became of his war against Wookieepedia's breast article?
Last I heard some admin made a surprisingly non-faggy decision and allowed the article to stay up.
>I want that shit to be the first article I "improve" once the Baobab Archives are up and running.
It's up already, anon, we're just waiting for a bot to mass-import the Legends articles for us. You're more than free to copy/paste the article yourself, upload the pertinent images, and write about Aayla Secura's delicious mammaries to your heart's content.
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No.25804
>>25801
He got a fair amount of criticism if you check the archive link in the image. Of course that was the EU-specific Star Wars subreddit rather than the main one, so it is way less likely to do that sort of thing. Though it does seem a few of them sucked up to Eck a bit in an attempt to have their criticism of his comment heard.
>>25802
How many official images of female nudity are there in Star Wars anyway? I can't imagine there's a lot, as I remember that "no nudity" was sort of rule for official and fan material alike for a while.
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No.25810
>>25804
This is the only official nude that comes to mind. There's also sex scenes with very very mild nudity and at least two accounts of rape I can think of.
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No.25813
>>25810
>There's also sex scenes with very very mild nudity and at least two accounts of rape I can think of.
Continue.
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No.25815
>>25813
The first rape occurs in a comic and involves some drama between two imperial officers. The other involves a twilek slave. I think there was another but I can't recall if that was between sentients or not. Sex scenes are regularly implied in SWTOR but never although you do hear moans and rustlings. In the Dark Horse comics there are shots of people being together in the same bed and some doing it with brief shots, but never anything more than buttocks or breasts with nips covered up by hair. I think a book featured some more detail. There was also one instance I recall from what I think was a Marvel comic (or an early dark horse one) between a human and a bothan chick who were under the effects of some kind of arousal drug.
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No.25923
>>25815
Details, dammit, I need details. Which comic? What issue?
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No.25951
>>25923
My memory is fuzzy man. I read most of this shit in the early 2000s over 10 years ago. Only ones that I can recall off the top of my head are the Star Wars: Empire comics from around 2005 (although the rape in that one I think was stopped midway). Then the Rebellion comics from around 2006 or 2007 which was the imperial rape. Shatterpoint back in 2003 also had a gang rape. That's all I can recall.
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No.26002
>>25951
>Shatterpoint
>gang rape
What? When? I don't remember that.
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No.26019
>>26002
Some chick from Korun was gang raped when she was younger by a rival tribe if I recall, so she and her tribe went to get revenge on the rival tribe responsible.
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No.26047
>>26019
Reading Shatterpoint rn, you're thinking of Chalk. She got gangraped by Bawali ebil space rhodesians and now she hates da wyte man
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No.26079
>>25747
Since the Jedi faggot seems to have fucked off, let's talk about something mentioned in this vid–in the early drafts, Dark Empire was apparently going to be with a reborn Vader? If that's the case then George's influence really helped us dodge a bullet. Vader/Anakin's arc was over, he'd sacrificed himself to protect Luke, defeat the Emperor, and redeem itself. Him coming back, as either a hero or a villain, would completely undermine that. The Emperor coming back on the other hand is completely in keeping with his personality.
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No.26111
>>26079
And now that I think about it, Luke managing to kill him off for good is pretty fitting of the whole father-son theme. I suppose I should read dark empire.
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