No.20328 [Last50 Posts]
Despite much hate received in response to Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the trilogy of Rian Johnson is still happening. Sorry, haters…
https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2018/06/12/rian-johnson-trilogy-still-happening/
Stakino incoming
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No.20329
Good. Let him subvert himself dry until nu-canon crashes into smithereens with no survivors and the big mouse desperate to sell off the poisoned brand.
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No.20330
>Israel Film Festival in southern California
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No.20334
>>20328
>still happening
>Israel Film Festival
Good. We can pretty much guarantee that this will be a massive shitshow and will only help to fuck Disney even more. I only wish it were being released before 9.
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No.20335
>>20328
>"It was much needed and some people need to move on from the SW franchise and embrace something you enjoy instead"
"We don't care that you grew up with the OT and the Prequels. Please leave, it's our brand now"
With articles like this, I can't wait for the Buffy remake.
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No.20340
Rian Johnson Explains Why He Deleted 20,000 Tweets Following James Gunn Firing
> No official directive at all, and I don’t think I’ve ever tweeted anything that bad. But it’s nine years of stuff written largely off the cuff as ephemera, if trolls scrutinizing it for ammunition is the new normal, this seems like a “why not?” move.
https://twitter.com/TheMarySue/status/1022250149396062208
http://archive.fo/pwJl6
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No.20347
It's already been said but good. Let them do as much damage to their own IP as they can. At this point the most shit they pump out the faster SW can die.
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No.20350
>>20335
>I can't wait for the Buffy remake.
And so far the reactions are great. Even the Mary Sue are being called racists for not liking the reboot. The cannibalism is delicious.
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No.20355
>>20328
>Splitting the star wars fandom in two
More like pushing the entire fandom away.
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No.20362
yes, yes, keep doubling down.
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No.20375
Good. Let the mouse shit more chash down the drain.
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No.20379
Disney now owns FOX and Marvel plebs are celebrating and shutting down "haters". Fuck. I hope the fuckers are still cheering after they see who replaces their beloved Marvel heroes in the films.
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No.20413
>>20340
>a “why not?” move.
Does he think that people won't realize he has something to hide now?
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No.20414
They think they're invincible. Twice the pride, double the fall.
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No.20418
UPDATED STAR WARS POWER RANKINGS
>KINOGRAPHY
ATTACK OF THE CLONES
REVENGE OF THE SITH
THE LAST JEDI
>MOVIES
A NEW HOPE
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
RETURN OF THE JEDI
THE PHANTOM MENACE
>FLICKS
The Farce Awakens
SOLO
ROGUE ONE
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No.20420
>>20418
The original cut of Rogue One is kino.
I wish someone would leak that cut on the internet, movie or script I don't care I just want to see it.
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No.20421
>>20418
>>The Last Jedi
Its not even a Star Wars movie because bombs don't "drop" in space, hyperspace isn't warp and force ghosts can't call down electrical storms.
>>20420
Won't happen because it doesn't exist anymore, Disney has always cracked down on any leaked footage. When that website before ep7 came out starting showing pieces of ep8 it got killed and all the videos off of it were scrubbed.
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No.20423
>>20418
>this faggot again
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No.20424
>>20418
>THE LAST JEDI
FUCK OFF WITH THIS DISHONEST BULLSHIT
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No.20430
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No.20432
>>20420
>original cut of Rogue One
you mean the shit with them running at an AT-AT and magically surviving? yeah no fuck off back to /tv/.
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No.20434
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No.20438
>>20434
This unironically. TLJ is trash like all Disney trash but it deserves credit for at least trying to be original instead of being a derivative mess that tries too much to emulate "POP SW" elements that add nothing new to the world.
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No.20440
>>20438
>Not-Hoth
>Original
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No.20441
>>20438
>derivative mess that tries too much to emulate "POP SW" elements.
TLJ is exactly this.The only thing original about disney soywars in comparison with the George Lucas movies is its contempt for its audience/customer base.
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No.20442
>>20440
I said "trying". It was still mostly unoriginal, but when compared to TFA which was just one reference after another relating the OT, it succeed in that respect yet failed at everything else. I mean for fuck's sake. Not-Tatoonie, mandatory memorable lines from the OT every blooming second, "I got a bad feeling about this", trash compactor reference, Death Star 3.0 (but ours is bigger!), not Jawa-Tusken Raider fusion on Not-Tatooine, Not-Yoda (but ours is a girl and even older than he is! Isn't that amazing?!), and so much more garbage. That entire shit pit was like some formulaic board room-conceived product that was manufactured in a chinese sweat shop yet it had so much glitter and things that reminded normalfags of the days before Blumpf taped on it that they happily threw money at it and still praise it to this day. TLJ is shit, but TFA is shit for even worse reasons, but the biggest difference is that there are people (both normalfags and even EUfans) who will defend that piece of shit to the grave and only hate TLJ for shitting on JJ's "brilliant" shortsighted and derivative vision.
>>20441
I didn't say it wasn't, I said it tried to by at least trying to be more original than the glorified shlock that was TFA. Both TLJ and TFA can rot, but TFA inspires more hate from me due to all its undeserved praise. At least TLJ gets shat on in all the right places.
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No.20443
>>20442
It did nothing it ripped off elements from the OT (ESB & RotJ) in the same way as TFA (ANH & ESB).
It's like saying a child who plagiarized a book report at least tried to be original because he wrote his name in in place of the real author.
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No.20444
>>20438
>tried to be original
>salt hoth
>car chase in space
>steals the ending to escape from la
>steals jack sparrow's death from potc 2
>original
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No.20445
There's more
>Luke/yoda in exile rip on remote planets
>Dark side cave stuff.
>Lando and "DJ" story of betrayal the same.
>Throne room
>ripped off join me dialogue
>Super star destroyer rip off
>Not hoth
>Not Hoth nigger AT-AT vs not speeders
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No.20446
There were many articles that pointed out the “similarities” (poorly done rip offs) of TLJ and ESB. They leave out for example various elements stolen from RotJ unfortunately.
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No.20447
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No.20448
>>20444
>>20445
By "tried to be original" its horrible plot turned Luke into a douche, killing the not-Emperor, and making everyone fantastic failures while Rey does everything Luke couldn't. All of which were still
horrible ideas
but ones that make it deviate enough from V so it doesn't feel like TFA in the sense of it not being a straight up clone of its predecessor word for word and scene for scene, due to its horribly unique plot progression and even worse character portrayals.
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No.20449
>>20448
Basically its so terrible it feels new? In a sense I suppose I agree, but TFA and TLJ are still equally garbage and derivative.
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No.20450
>>20446
>honors the legacy the same way the prequels did
>literally just ripping off plot points and scenes
>honoring
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No.20451
>>20448
>muh themes of failure
>in a space swashbuckler adventure
i will give the sequels props for one thing: they follow the same cinematic structures of the prequels, which are good examples of cinematic structure.
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No.20452
>>20448
Originality would be taking the story in a completely new direction for example in the unknown regions with new factions enemies (not the same old 2 faction dichotomy), allies, characters, ships, etc. not rehashing something 1:1 and then applying uninspired “twists” to it. There was no attempt to be different other than the bare minimal necessary to written in the nu-charcters (rey, ren, etc.) and not have a complete reboot of the OT.
>>20451
Disney could not have made a more structurally incompetent movie if they tried.
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No.20456
>>20452
>Disney could not have made a more structurally incompetent movie if they tried.
well i didn't say they did a good job of implementing it, only that they followed a similar pattern.
TPM and TFA are effectively the same movie, just switch the desert and green planets, and likewise TLJ follows along the lines of AOTC with a chase at the beginning, a ship being destroyed, constant cutting back and forth between several subplots (in clones you had obi-wan on his detective stint, anakin and padme on naboo and the rest of the jedi on coruscant, in tlj you have finn & rose, rey & luke, and poe & the resistance) and ends with a land battle and a conflict beginning (or in tlj's case, a renewal of it).
so i expect kylo ren to have a limb cut off and die screaming, unless they decide to redeem him, which at this point i would rather they kill off the skywalker line.
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No.20457
>>20456
>unless they decide to redeem him
What would a teen chick movie do?
That's what they will do with Kylo Ren.
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No.20461
>>20457
i highly doubt reylo will happen
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No.20462
>>20451
>muh themes of failure
Read my entire fucking posts, you retard. I'm not saying themes of failure are good, I'm saying that makes it more original than TFA. Original does not equal good, you retard. All JJ did was just reprint A New Hope with a glossier sheen then got praise for basically recreating ANH with a mary sue Luke, a black loser whose motives make no sense and a Han Solo-wannabe, meanwhile JJ went out of his way to indirectly call uninformed casual fans who simply asked why Finn wasn't a Jango clone racists instead of calmly correcting them. He and Rian are two sides of the same pretentious coin, the difference is one doesn't hide his true douchebag colors from the world and tried to take the series in a new direction which was awful, but helped to kill Disney rep with SW and bring something new to the franchise, and to make myself fucking clear, new does not equal good, just different and original, but still awful shit that had no right to be in SW, but in the end perfectly conveyed what the Disney Wars universe was truly like, empty, cold, unchanging and soulless unlike George's universe.
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No.20463
>>20328
>still happening
Unlikely, either Episode IX will be a financial failure or the first one from Johnson will be. This is also assuming Johnson won't be connected to pizza in the meantime.
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No.20465
>>20463
Given Disney's track record, they'll let him make half a movie then swap him out with another director, resulting in a horribly paced, incomprehensible mess.
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No.20467
>after that backlash they're STILL going to use him
What the fuck are they trying to launder with that film money?
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No.20469
>>20462
but it isn't original, it's cut and paste from empire/jedi as well.
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No.20475
my concern is that they might not get the chance if IX gets decimated at the box office. ideally, they'll start working on the trilogy as early as next year. the more money they burn, the better.
>>20418
we've been over this before, anon.
KINO TIER
V: Empire Strikes Back
CINEMA TIER
IV: A New Hope
FILM TIER
VI: Return of the Jedi
MOVIE TIER
III: Revenge of the Sith
R1/Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
FLICK TIER
I: The Phantom Menace
II: Attack of the Clones
VII: The Farce Awakens
JOINT TIER
VIII: The Last Jedi
IX: ? (pre-emptively ranked)
Solo: A Star Wars Story
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No.20477
>>20475
>The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones on the same level as a Marvel movie
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No.20478
>>20477
I was debating about whether to demote farce awakens down to joint tier. the high tiers are easy to sort out, the lower ones are trickier.
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No.20479
the trouble is, farce awakens is not as terrible as TLJ. at the same time, ranking it alongside I and II does seem very generous. so here's an alternate ranking:
KINO TIER
V: Empire Strikes Back
CINEMA TIER
IV: A New Hope
FILM TIER
VI: Return of the Jedi
MOVIE TIER
III: Revenge of the Sith
R1/Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
FLICK TIER
I: The Phantom Menace
II: Attack of the Clones
JOINT TIER
VII: The Farce Awakens
Solo: A Star Wars Story
CUCK MY LIFE INTO PIECES TIER
VIII: The Last Jedi
IX: ? (pre-emptively ranked)
Star Wars Holiday Special
how's this?
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No.20483
>>20479
>>TPM and AOTC below RougeOne
The prequels at least present a "lived in" universe. Watching Rouge One a third time had me still puzzled about all the planets they go to or any of the names of the main team characters besides Jyn.
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No.20485
Threadly reminder that if you have any Disney nuWars film on your list you have to go back to Reddit/Tumblr.
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No.20487
>>20483
not that guy but rogue one, despite its many many flaws, is a highly enjoyable movie, and i think that's why people give it a higher rating in the catalog.
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No.20489
>>20487
>but it's still a highly enjoyable movie
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No.20491
>>20489
i'm sorry anon, i liked seeing the diversity squad get wiped out and vader slicing up rebels, as well as tarkin being the top dog that he is. i also enjoy the presences of forest whitaker and mads mikkelsen, so i really had no reason to hate the movie other than the trailers made it seem like dog shit, and i was pleasantly surprised that none of the barf from it made it into the final cut.
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No.20492
>>20491
in addition to that, the cameos were actually woven into the story and weren't just fanservice moments (besides evazan and ponda) unlike soylo, which had nothing but cheap fanservice.
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No.20536
>>20491
>>"I rebel."
That Hammerhead ramming was so dumb though, a small ships engines moving a Star Destroyer like that made it look like Star Destroyers have no shields or engines. Forrest Whitaker and his tentacle monster were so inconsequential to anything in the story as well.
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No.20537
>>20492
I haven't seen the movie, but wasn't Vader's cameo pretty out of character?
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No.20539
>>20489
Rogue One is acutally the best in terms of cinematography, it's the only nuWars that respected the visuals and the style of the OT.
I wish someone would leak Gareth Edwards' cut. Apparently it was pretty good but it didn't fit KK's agenda. I also want to read Colin Trevorrow's Ep 9 script (the one that made KK angry)
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No.20540
>>20442
The thing with TFA, it's a soulless cash-grab with some aestethics reminding you of the original trilogy. But atleast it was a competently made movie.
The last Jedi is not only derivative garbage with some ideas that breaks the entire universe they built up with 8 movies before, but the movie itself is fucking trash. I mean, it's on par with Highlander 2 kind of trash.
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No.20543
>>20539
Tarkin looks like he's made of plastic. Anyway Rogue One visually does fit with the OT, but the original characters are just awful and unlikeable with the only decent one being the blind samurai guy who basically should've been a miraluka. Or just replace the unlikeable shits with Kyle and his team, and if you have to have a scene of Vader hacking and slashing, do something original with it instead of making an edgier version of IV's intro, like his invasion of Kashyyyk and show him enslaving wookiees with his troopers.
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No.20549
>>20537
There's a scene where he Force Chokes Director Krennic and belts out this corny one-liner like, "Try not to CHOKE on your mission!" People said that isn't how Vader's villainy flows, but I've read him use cruel sarcasm in EU material before so it didn't really bother me.
What it arguably fucks with more is the opening of episode IV. If Vader knew because he saw with his own two eyes and enhanced helmet optics that the Tantive V was fleeing with the Death Star plans that a rebel soldier just barely managed to pass onto it, then his demeanor in IV feels strangely calm.
>>20536
I have no idea why they cut what did from Rogue One while still leaving in that tentacle mindfuck scene. It's completely pointless.
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No.20551
>>20539
No, it just uses the old visuals from the OT which you like. It doesn't do anything really new with them except that the Death Star cannon doesn't have to blow up a planet anymore. There is a reason why none of the new visuals and designs didn't work because the movie didn't respect the OT.
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No.20555
>>20551
>except that the Death Star cannon doesn't have to blow up a planet anymore
Yeah, that's another thing that pissed me off. If the Death Star can be dialed up or down on a power diode, then what was the point of the Alderaanian shoah? Tarkin retroactively could have just pinpointed the city with the most open rebel sentiment or fuck even just Leia's palace in the capital to make a point. What was the value in this nu-lore of blowing up an entire core world planet and losing its economic value to the Empire? It only serves to make the Empire more Chaotic Stupid.
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No.20558
>>20543
> if you have to have a scene of Vader hacking and slashing, do something original with it instead of making an edgier version of IV's intro
Vader was part of the reshoots. It was such a dumb idea to have him at the end of the movie.
>>20551
> the Death Star cannon doesn't have to blow up a planet anymore
The Death Star wasn't at full power in the movie. At two occasions it was used to target a certain area (the big town in Jedda and the research center on Scarif).
> There is a reason why none of the new visuals and designs didn't work because the movie didn't respect the OT.
The idea of a cargo AT-AT didn't work in the theatrical version because most of the beach scenes were cut after KK fucked up the production.
>>20555
> If the Death Star can be dialed up or down on a power diode, then what was the point of the Alderaanian shoah?
To show who is in charge. Tarkin knew that Leia was lying.
The real problem with RO is that they rewrote the canon and downplayed the impact of the Force on Luke. Now the "official story" is that the designer of the Death Star left a backdoor on purpose.
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No.20559
>>20558
>It was such a dumb idea to have him at the end of the movie.
Along with Ponda Baba and Evazan being on Jedha and wearing the exact same outfits while they were being pursued by a gay policeman (https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tam_Posla) and his headless boyfriend (https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Caysin_Bog). Thank you Kennedy, Marvel and Dr. Aphra.
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No.20561
>>20536
>in space
>no gravity
>ship is disabled and will eventually drift towards the planet anyway
it's very much possible you retard, learn how a vacuum works
>>20537
eh the castle scene was moreso pointless than out of character. the dialogue was just awful.
>>20539
>I wish someone would leak Gareth Edwards' cut.
let's cut this bullshit right now, edwards' cut is the one that had the rebels doing a suicide run at an ATAT and magically surviving. the reshoots saved rogue one.
>>20540
all of this
>>20558
>The real problem with RO is that they rewrote the canon and downplayed the impact of the Force on Luke. Now the "official story" is that the designer of the Death Star left a backdoor on purpose.
it doesn't fuck with it, luke still has to use the force and take advantage of the flaw. they still had to acquire the plans and read them to find out what it was. all it changes is there's a weakness to sabotage.
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No.20562
>>20561
>it's very much possible
No. The hammerhead is observed pushing one SD cleanly through the other. The cutting SD emerges relatively undamaged out the other side of the sliced one. Furthermore, this means the entire force of the SD pushing through the other one was structurally absorbed by the neck of the hammerhead (since the force mostly came from it's engines as they were moving mostly LATERALLY to the gravity of the planet), requiring hammerhead neck structure to be at least 100x stronger than SD superstructure. Additionally, the engine power of a single hammerhead can push enough mass to utterly rape an SD (with shields), so why don't the rebels just strap hammerhead engines to an asteroid and rape the fuck out of Imps? It only took a few seconds to accumulate enough kinetic energy to do so, so one has to wonder why these ludicrous engines aren't used for a kinetic warhead.
It's not as stupid as the TLJ hyperBS, but it's retarded and you should apologize for defending this trash.
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No.20564
>>20562
alright, i'll give you the star destroyer cutting through the other one like a knife going through butter is bullshit and it should have just been a big ass dent, but i still enjoy the movie.
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No.20565
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No.20566
>>20562
>>20561
Are you guys talking about this?
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No.20567
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No.20568
Rogue One, TLJ, Rebels season 3 finale… just how many times in nu-canon have the rebels/resistance suicide rammed their starships into the enemy and succeeded to great effect? It deserves to be the space combat equivalent of the spinning trick meme.
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No.20571
>>20567
Why are the surfaces of those star destroyers so dead and white? Where are the fucking turrets that should be shooting at the idiotic rammer?
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No.20572
>>20571
They 3D-scanned the pieces of an old Star Destroyer model kit.
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No.20579
>>20571
You can only see three of them in the middle of each but they do absolutely nothing and all face the same direction.
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No.20583
>>20567
Wait a fucking sec… that corvette managed to push a SD around? I still don't believe in what i saw. It's just a matter of size. Bigger ship vs smaller. Hull vs hull
A disabled SD can smash through another full functional SD yet a single corvette can withstand ramming against it, push it and that's it.
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No.20584
>>20583
> It's just a matter of size
In orbit they just needed a little push to move the disabled SD and let the gravity do the rest.
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No.20585
>>20584
Again, the movement is mostly lateral to gravity. And the forces involved are still ludicrous, disabled SD or no.
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No.20587
>>20418
>kinography
If you mean in terms of looking good, TLJ has a few good looking scenes.
The hyperspace ram looked good, Luke emerging from the rebel base looked good, the ram was retarded though and otherwise TLJ was a shit show
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No.20601
>>20539
We've already seen the keynotes of the Gareth Edwards cut, just rewatch the first two trailers and pay close attention to all the scenes that were removed from the final release ("I rebel", charging headfirst at the AT-ACTs, facing down a TIE fighter with a blaster pistol etc). I've cut together some of that material into a webm.
This pervasive idea that the Gareth Edwards cut of Rogue One is an awesome gritty war movie is ridiculous and all the video evidence points to the opposite. The Edwards scenes that were cut or reshot after the initial trailers were even heavier on mary sue cringe than the theatrical version.
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No.20603
>>20601
this guy gets it, the initial cut had some cool looking scenes in it maybe, but a lot of stupid ones too.
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No.20640
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No.20641
>>20485
>reddit
>liking The Last Kino
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No.20656
>>20567
I don't understand how anyone can sit through rogue one its just as bad as the other 3 disney soy wars movies.
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No.20657
>>20656
Nice webm, saved.
R1 is the best Soy Wars movie because it created this webm, all the annoying characters die at the end, and it has Alan Tudyk playing Alan Tudyk, whereas Soso only had Woody Harrelson playing as Woody Harrelson with no annoying cunts dying (the BLM droid technically lives). That's it, really. I doubt I'll ever watch those films again.
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No.20658
>>20657
>R1 is the best *least shitty Soy Wars movie
Don't want to give the impression I'm running defense for it or anything.
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No.20659
>>20558
>>20561
>muh exhaust port
Regardless of whether it makes sense in-universe (it doesn't), the real problem with the exhaust port retcon is that it narratively cheapens what the Empire represented in ANH. The giant space station of death having a weakness exploitable only by a plucky underdog is supposed to represent the Empire's hubris. The symbolism is lost if that weakness isn't a prideful mistake but some just-according-to-keikaku nonsense by a man on the inside.
>>20583
You also have to wonder, if the Hammerhead could generate enough energy to chop through the second ISD's superstructure like it was nothing, how is it that the hull of the first ISD magically didn't crumple on contact with the corvette?
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No.20667
>>20656
>>20657
>Nice webm, saved.
ty.
I seriously think that the cat ladies they put in charge of the soy wars story group do not understand space or basic physics/science and the people that might (if any) do not give a shit because they think the audience too stupid to notice or care.
>All the annoying characters die at the end
At what cost?
< RO changed the planets that the death star actually fired on (death star not so secret anymore)
< RO created another Not-tatooine™ desert planet.
<RO created weird blind force user (no explanation).
< Mon Calamari are allied with rebels before battle of Endor.
<Capital ships before Endor (product of Mon-Calamari alliance).
< Replaced more interesting Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors storyline.
<Ro made the rebellion a huge deal before ANH breaking OT continuity further.
>R1 is the best Soy Wars movie because it created this webm.
Nice but all it does it remind me that Disney marketed RO as a gritty war movie it was neither. RO was in fact more of the same garbage; brunette female lead, lots of useless male characters, bad storyline, forced diversity, un-compelling characters, criminally weak/stupid enemies, etc.
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No.20668
you guys have made substantial points against rogue one. to add on, the ending of R1 doesn't quite sync up to ANH. Vader says the plans were beamed to the corvette, while Leia claims it's on a diplomatic mission. in R1, the plans were beamed to another ship, and carried by hand onto the corvette which barely escaped Vader during the battle. Leia's alibi is supposed to be plausible, but it's not if the corvette was just at the battle of scarif. Vader seems well composed in ANH given what just happened before. and while Vader slicing through Rebels was really cool, why didnt he do the same in ANH instead of using stormtroopers as a front line?
I've decided to rework my ranking one more time. hopefully you fags don't mind the repost.
KINO TIER
V: Empire Strikes Back
CINEMA TIER
IV: A New Hope
FILM TIER
VI: Return of the Jedi
MOVIE TIER
III: Revenge of the Sith
FLICK TIER
I: The Phantom Menace
II: Attack of the Clones
R1/Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
JOINT TIER
VII: The Farce Awakens
Solo: A Star Wars Story
CUCK MY LIFE INTO PIECES TIER
VIII: The Last Jedi
IX: ? (pre-emptively ranked)
Star Wars Holiday Special
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No.20670
>>20659
>Regardless of whether it makes sense in-universe (it doesn't), the real problem with the exhaust port retcon is that it narratively cheapens what the Empire represented in ANH. The giant space station of death having a weakness exploitable only by a plucky underdog is supposed to represent the Empire's hubris. The symbolism is lost if that weakness isn't a prideful mistake but some just-according-to-keikaku nonsense by a man on the inside.
This.
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No.20672
>>20668
>Empire at the top
>Rog ôn on par with any lucasfilm movie
Back to >>>/leddit/ friendo.
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No.20676
>>20657
>the fat alien shoots down AT-ATs easily with a laser rifle
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No.20679
>>20668
I think your list a shit, here's mine, although it's ranked by personal enjoyment more than objective quality:
>RotJ
>RotS, ESB
>ANH
>TPM, AotC
The rest are all shit, but more difficult to rank, because every nu-wars movie manages to be bad in its own unique way.
>R1, Soylo
>TFA, TLJ
>IX
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No.20683
>>20679
Pretty much the same as my list except I always put ESB above the rest. What exactly captivated you the most about RotJ? Was it the epic space battles? The action-packed adventure on Tatooine? Or the compelling and emotional light saber duel of destiny aboard the death star?
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No.20688
>>20679
Swap TPM and RotS and you've got my list.
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No.20691
>>20679
>The rest are all shit, but more difficult to rank, because every nu-wars movie manages to be bad in its own unique way.
the lower ranks were difficult for me too, but I think I've finally got it down. I might add the Ewok movies as joints, but other than that, I think it's settled.
for a long time I rated R1 too highly. it's still the best offering of Disney Wars, but as part of the canon there are too many flaws to place it above flick tier, especially the botched transition to ANH.
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No.20692
>>20679
1.OT (ANH, ESB and then RotJ)
2.PT (RotS, PM, AotC)
3.aka the lowest possible ranking all disney soywars garbage.It doesn't make sense to rank soy wars films individually as they are all terrible.
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No.20693
>TPM/ROTJ
>ANH
>ESB
>AOTC
>ROTS
>
>
>
>RO
>SOYLO
>TFA
>
>
>
>TLJ
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No.20694
>>20683
>Or the compelling and emotional light saber duel of destiny aboard the death star?
This, plus all the interaction between Vader, Luke, and then the Emperor leading up to it.
>>20688
Hmm, care to elaborate? That's the first time I've heard someone put TPM as the best of the prequels.
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No.20699
>>20694
Not that anon, but I personally think TPM was the best one of the prequels and surprisingly had the best visuals of the three. The only flaw for me was the acting (especially Anakin's, although that may be the fault of Lucas' directing) and that the movie needed better editing to remove the more pointless and questionable shit, like some of the physical comedy, scenes that contradict pre-existing lore from the films and novels (like making Anakin a kid, Anakin building C-3PO, tech looking more advanced than in the OT, changing the jedi age training, etc) and expand on the midichlorians so plebs understand that the force is still a spiritual thing but they exist to make sure that not everyone can become a super powerful force user. Anyway the opening sequence with Qui-Gon and Kenobi, the Maul fight and the podrace were the highlights of the film for me and are my favorite scenes among the prequels. ROTS is still at second despite having better writing and editing but the directing was still flawed as well as the whole Grievous shit and the drastic shift in the appearance of tech at the end where the Tantive IV looks less advanced than anything else and for some reason exists at this point instead of being built years later, and the fact that 3PO and R2 are stationed on it despite that they were supposed to have multiple owners before IV, which was seen in the Droids cartoon and comics. II was the weakest for a high number of reasons I don't want to get into, yet the fight scenes are the only thing kept me watching II more times than I can count.
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No.20701
>>20699
>Tantive IV looks less advanced than anything else and for some reason exists at this point instead of being built years later
Wasn't the corvette in RotS the Tantive III? In any case, you make good points, I won't deny that TPM is a fine film.
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No.20702
>>20694
>>20699
Mostly agree with the other guy. I'm going to present my case horribly because I've had a terrible headache all day. I'll mostly compare to RotS.
I though TPM had the best music of the prequels, and executed its soundtrack better than the others. A prime example would be the blockade running scene.
The fights were great and I never got bored from them. AotC mostly had good fights, except for the dreadfully paced Dooku fight(s) at the end, and RotS had tons of pointless fight scenes (unicycle vs lizard/Kashyyk/anything with battle droids) and the end fight that dragged on WAY too long (I'm usually completely disinterested by the time they're swinging around on cables).
TPM has an introduction with intrigue and character establishing between close buddies, and eases into things, whereas AotC had an explosion and a committee meeting full of people who seem apathetic for an intro, and RotS has no intro at all.
The small roles still have character in TPM, whereas they feel devoid of life in RotS, such as Grievous or Cody. When your biggest character trait is asthma, you had better be a background nobody, not a major antagonist. Sure, Darth Maul wasn't talkative or anything, but he was supposed to be a mysterious assassin dude who the jedi barely learn anything from (aside from that there is a phantom menace at work), and he fills the role fine. As a thought experiment, try describing Dooku or Greivous only using what we see in RotS footage; now do the same with Valorum or Captain Tarpals, and you'll probably end up with comparable levels of detail.
The slapstick was localized to one pointless character in TPM (and the fishes), and Jar-jar reminds me of alien companions from the Reteif! books I used to read, so he never struck me as out of place that much (though I'd still prefer he got d r o p p e d). RotS instead opts to move the slapstick onto battle droids. From the vulture droids flailing their arms and head around in flight (as a ship guy, that little touch pisses me off), to the SBDs slipping around on oil, to regular tinnies and buzz droids, it just felt like there was no conflict for that entire opening. I get that regular battle droids are cheap pieces of shit that couldn't hurt a fly, but they aren't battle droids in RotS; their character got vacuumed out. Sidious just looked fucking ridiculous with the spinning shit and the goofy wrinkly face; it might not count as slapstick, but it really undermined his otherwise great character IMO.
TPM had better space scenes in general than RotS (though I do love the Coruscant re-entry scene). The stuff with Anakin in the starfighter just never bothered me. His force talent is that he's a machine wiz and he's spent years tooling with pod racers, so I'm fine with him going up alongside trained pilots, and the whole sequence serves to vindicate Qui-Gon's decision to take the boy along.
There's a lot more to this and a lot of points I'm missing, but I can't muster the thought right now. I'd be happy to clarify anything I've stated poorly (I'm sure I have).
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No.20710
>>20668
Nah, the holiday special can be fun in a so bad it's good way. That puts it at a higher tier than VIII which is just infuriating
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No.20711
>Underrrated
>The Phantom Menace
>Attack of the Clones
>Revenge of the Sith
>The Last Jedi
>Overrated
>Star Wars
>Empire Strikes Back (least overrated)
>Return of the Jedi
>The Farce Awakens
>Rogue One
>Soylo (some normies say this is the best nuwars)
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No.20712
Being so mentally ill that you condone child abuse so you can watch a child's video… The dumb cunt that shit OP out must be something.
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No.20715
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No.20717
>>20711
>greentexting everything
>TLJ underrated
Only thing The Last Turd has going for it is that it it doesn't have any trace of Jar Jar Abrams' foul smell anywhere on it.
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No.20719
>>20710
that's a good point. 'so bad it's good' is like a low card ace. I might have to either take off the Holiday Special or bump it up to joint tier. this is proving more of a challenge than I thought.
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No.20720
>>20719
I think the Holiday Special works best if you skip through the unneeded skits that add nothing to the core plot of the special and ignore the fact that Carrie Fisher looks stoned out of her fucking gourd. The short skits themselves, especially the animated one and Bea Arthur and Gourmanda's skits are a childhood favorite of mine have their own charm and appeal if treated as standalone shorts and watched separately from it.
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No.20722
>>20720
having watched the Holiday Special, I agree. the cartoon and other bits are downright watchable, even if the work as a whole is an incompetent mess. it might not be so infamous if it were heavily edited and chopped down.
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No.20737
>>20717
<the alt right tried to take down Star Wars but Rian Johnson was one step ahead of them and took it down for everybody
<now making his own trilogy
<deleted 20,000 tweets under the sea
Rian "there will be no firing" Johnson
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No.20739
>>20737
>the alt right tried to take down Star Wars
Those retards loved Rogue One, you retard. At the very least fucking over Disney was the best thing he could do for SW. No matter what Jew Jew does now, he can't salvage SW for Disney.
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No.20743
>>20739
And rogue one was shit
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No.20744
>>20743
That's the fucking point.
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No.20746
>>20743
All Disney movies were and are shit anon anyone how disagrees is a shill or an sjw marxist.
>>20737
>the alt right
Not a real thing.
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No.20750
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No.20768
ok, one more time. hopefully you don't mind, I've been putting my efforts into creating a definitive ranking of Star Wars films.
KINO TIER
V: Empire Strikes Back
CINEMA TIER
IV: A New Hope
FILM TIER
VI: Return of the Jedi
MOVIE TIER
III: Revenge of the Sith
FLICK TIER
I: The Phantom Menace
II: Attack of the Clones
R1/Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
JOINT TIER
Star Wars Holiday Special
Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure
Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
VII: The Farce Awakens
Solo: A Star Wars Story
CUCK MY LIFE INTO PIECES TIER
VIII: The Last Jedi
IX: ? (pre-emptively ranked)
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No.20771
>>20768
We should really just make 2 lists. 1 for disney and one for classic.
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No.20774
>>20771
is that disney list for purely disney content or integrating disney content into the other shit?
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No.20776
>>20774
Purely mouse content. Segregation is the best approach with it, and mixing good memories with awful ones can only sour the whole.
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No.20784
>>20768
No offense but I hate this ranking shit and think this list is meh, but since I don't want to compromise your tastes or change your opinions over minor things, I would at least like to say that you should put Solo above The Farce Engorges. Solo is mediocre and a lousy successor to past Solo origin stories but at least it tries to be more original. Overall I consider it to be better than all of the Disney Films put together. Its still crap but its like a funny swirly pink anime poop on a mountain of ugly and putrid-smelling disney turds.
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No.20786
>>20771
I guess you're right. Disney Wars doesn't really count as Star Wars, and they shouldn't even be ranked together. it would be pretty easy to purge my ranking of the mouse – just remove them, and everything else can stay where it is.
>>20784
no offense taken
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No.20788
>>20786
>no offense taken
Happy to hear that. Keep moving forward.
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No.20790
>>20776
>Segregation is the best approach
Go back to /pol/ bigot.
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No.20791
>>20790
>RDA
Don't forget to prep the Rancor for your wife.
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No.20832
>>20791
I don't think he's serious anon. Look at the flag.
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No.21094
>>20328
I heard it was canceled and Rian was fired. Is this true?
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No.21095
>>20832
>2018
>expecting anons to think before posting
ISHYGDDT
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No.21096
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No.21097
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>20832
>look at the flag
Pretty sure he did, as he posted
>RDA
We're on two layers of missing sarcasm here.
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No.21100
>>21096
That's funny, I don't remember saying that. So, who're you quoting?
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No.21103
I think it will be released at Disney's streaming service, IF Episode IX is successful. KK and Abrams have Rian's back, but they can't make miracles.
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No.21104
>>21103
>KK and Abrams have Rian's back
But who has their back? Sure, Abrams has nothing to worry about in the long term as the tribe will keep him safe, But even if his career's intact he probably won't be let near star wars. Kennedy is just a good goy riding Speilberg's coattails, however, and given the amount of negative press she generates she's bound to be fired eventually just to throw the fans a bone even if they change no policy otherwise.
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No.21114
>>21100
>references the current year
>lol when did I say current year
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No.21145
>>21103
>IF Episode IX is successful
it won't break 1bn like the first three did, but it won't flop like solo did. expect it to end up somewhere around e2-e3 numbers, in the 600-800m range tops.
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No.21156
>>20379
elaborate anon? do you mean fantastic 4, or the writers at fox?
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No.21157
>>21156
Marvel fans are celebrating because they think Deadpool will be in the MCU and team up with Robert Downey Jr. despite that the current MCU cast will be retiring from the MCU soon.
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No.21163
>>21157
They own Fox now too? Havent they triggered the monopoly laws yet?
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No.21167
>>20355
There's still those DisneyWars and JJTrek/STD bootlicker hipsters out there though. Hopefully soy-addled male feminist aren't enough to float a sinking IP.
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No.21169
>>21157
I fucking hate the capeshit fans. They have no idea that Disney can now "deconstruct" every Fox franchise, all they care about is muh Xmen in muh MCU.
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No.21170
>>21169
Even in comics having the X-Men in the main Marvel Universe makes no fucking sense (people hate and persecute "mutants", but love the Fantastic Four so much they don't even have secret identities). Long-term comic fans lived with the dissonance out of brand loyalty (this being back in the Silver and Bronze ages, when it was still possible to read only one comic and still get a coherent, entertaining story). Normies are going to call that shit out the moment they see it, though. X-Men in the MCU might (finally) kill capeshit.
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No.21171
>>21170
>X-Men in the MCU might (finally) kill capeshit.
I think Captain Marvel, Miss Muslim and Riri Williams (I bet that young scientist from Wokanda is going to be the new Iron Man) will do the job.
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No.21188
>>21170
>people hate and persecute "mutants", but love the Fantastic Four so much they don't even have secret identities
the F4 were turned into their superpowered selves through an accident, the mutants are genetic anomalies and considered unnatural.
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No.21189
>>21188
Why would the average person in the Marvel Universe give a shit about that difference
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No.21190
>>21189
>Why would the average person in the Marvel Universe give a shit about that difference
because reed richards was a well-known name prior to his transformation. some fuckstick in a wheelchair who can read your mind and freeze time that has been hiding in plain sight for decades won't bat an eyelash, but people paid attention to reed since he was basically a pop science guy, while also being an actual scientist. also the fact that the fantastic four only uses their powers to defend, not attack, they made that distinction early on as to separate themselves from other gifted folk. meanwhile, most mutants are self-serving douchebags who will use their powers to rob stores or kill people, think of it as an allegory to the illegal immigrant shit going on now, you've got a bunch of people who just want to get buy and happen to fall under this specific circumstance, then you've got other people who also fall under this circumstance not giving a fuck and doing what they want and making things bad for everyone. christ you fucking kids need to learn how to read.
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No.21194
>>21190
>get buy
fuck, i hate when i typo.
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No.21257
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
apparently it's not happening anymore
rian 0 haters 1
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No.21258
>>21257
The trilogy has been cancelled several hundred times in youtube vids. Is this from a real source?
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No.21259
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>>21258
he mentions an article at the beginning, but doesn't provide a link
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No.21276
>>21257
I think someone posted the news article in one of the other threads. Either way, I hope that Rianposting anon who's always shitting up things here and on /tv/ is sperging.
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No.21277
>>21276
He's doing it 'ironically' so I doubt he really cares.
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No.21307
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No.21322
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No.21326
>>20328
I ENJOYED STAR WARS UNTIL YOU STUCK YOUR GENDERNONCONFORMING COCK IN IT YOU PIECE OF SHIT
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No.21328
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No.21342
>>21326
>some people needed to move on
i didn't want to move on, you faggots pushed me out. now i'm getting into trek (pre reboot) and working on my own shit, star wars is dead to me.
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No.21343
>>21307
Someone must have watched the Plinket review at Disney.
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No.21384
>>21190
>>>21189
>>people paid attention to reed since he was basically a pop science guy
>
NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON AS REED RICHARDS CONFIRMED
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No.21395
>>21326
>genderconforming
cringe senpai
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No.21397
>>21342
>>subtle trekkie
Why do you hate pre-Disney Star Wars?
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No.21401
>>21397
learn to read retard, star wars was great before disney. now it's shit and i can't stand it anymore.
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No.21403
As if the prequel trilogy didn't drop the ball
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No.21404
>>21403
The only balls dropped over the prequels were yours, Mike.
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No.21491
>20328
I hope they happen so we can watch them tank. I'll go release day and buy popcorn in the lobby.
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No.21520
>>21401
…But that implies that what Disney is doing is indeed Star Wars. It ain't.
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No.21530
>>21520
the fuck are you on about? what disney is doing is driving away the people who actually like this shit with subpar writing and forced political agendas. sure, that was present in the prior films to an extent, but they were secondary and subtle, not directly in your face. it was subtext, not pretext.
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No.21532
>>21530
Reread what he said. He isn't saying disney isn't fucking up Star Wars. He's saying that it isn't Star Wars anymore.
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No.21537
>>21532
so in other words he's saying what i originally said back in >>21342 and thus he couldn't understand what i initially wrote. we have come full circle, the man is a retard but agrees with me.
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No.21539
>>21537
Or you are so damn obtuse that you don't realize it. Bah, squabbling among ourselves won't do us any good. Just try to word things in a less despairing manner in the future. It's healthier to separate out the old "living" canon from the incompetent farce that Disney's "managed."
I say "living" because the Mouse can't take our extant books from us, and plenty of us old guard wouldn't mind seeing new fan content, so long as it's done well. Look at mods, look at stories, look at tabletop campaigns. It lives on in us.
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