No.19173 [Last50 Posts]
Also /sw/ related Doomcock discussion thread.
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No.19174
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No.19178
>>19173
Is that some sort of rejected BSG character?
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No.19219
Overlord Doomcock dvd
https://youtu.be/xL922RuiQJU
https://youtu.be/gTE0dfzWnoA
A 'little' thatrical, But makes some great points.
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No.19222
At first I found him a bit cringy (it's because of the persona) but he makes really good videos.
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No.19226
His theory that KK fucked up Star Wars to always have a job seems bonkers to me. I haven’t watched his TLJ review yet.
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No.19241
>>19226
Ditto. But it oddly makes sense. It kind of explains why a talented exec is fucking up this badly. I always her computer rather than a fool.
If it is true, Jesus what a gamble. But at some point (probs soon) she will get bounced out and Lucy's Arts burned to the ground.
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No.19242
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>>19226
>>19241
Is this the video you guys are talking about?
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No.19244
>>19241
>But it oddly makes sense.
Not at all. It’s an illogical plan that could easily backfire, sacrificing your positively perceived legacy for a salary that you don’t really need.
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No.19247
>>19226
This whole narrative about KK stinks and reeks of Disney trying to salvage the reputation of Star Wars by making her the fallguy and direct the blame to her solely, while we know Disney itself probably were the ones pushing this because they OWN Lucasarts, they own Star Wars and therefore KK can't do anything without the ultimate approval from Disney, who is pushing the politics they did in the movies because of one thing, they want them in there but also they completely missed that by 2014-15, it stopped being so popular to be a complete degenerate ideolog.
I would claim it's equal amounts of useful idiots thinking they know shit that is spouting the stuff about KK being some sort of final boss and equal amounts of shills trying to make fools fall for that narrative. Because remember, she was appointed by George Lucas, not Disney to take care of LucasArts. If they get rid of her in a timely fashion, they probably can get someone in there to completely decide the direction of that company.
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No.19254
>>19247
The problem with this theory is that it's not consistent with Disney's past approach to managing their acquisitions. Part of the reason fans were asked to give the sellout the benefit of the doubt is that their last major purchases have been permitted to mostly continue as they were before while paying tribute to the new master. They haven't stuck their fingers in every pie and ordered a burden of executive changes like Electronic Arts was infamous for doing to the video game studios they bought.
Some people think that this changed around the time of the Star Wars purchase because Bob Iger is a consummate Democratic partisan and wants to go into politics. I still think the board of directors is more concerned about whether or not their investment is paying dividends and suspect that in the case of Star Wars the problem hasn't come from top-down left-wing propaganda but rather the hands off absentee landlord managerial style permitting joyless SJWs to defile the IP this time instead of giving creatives the freedom they require to be profitable.
To counter this one might ask why Disney hasn't asserted themselves more firmly about the soy cucking in Marvel comics, but I'll remind that graphic novels themselves haven't been a fraction as valuable as spin-off media derived from their characters and settings for quite awhile now. If SJWs were sticking their mutilated transsexual cocks in the pudding of the Marvel Cinematic Universe a fragment as noticeably, I have no doubt that heads would have rolled. With The Last Jedi and Solo doing so poorly and having such poor reputations, the excuses that LucasArts and its partisan political defenders can conjure up are less convincing, so there may actually be an effort to change things from the management side of things.
There's reason to doubt, though, that even a firm slap from the top brass will readily and quickly right the course of the franchise. Marvel has tried to do this at least twice to salvage what SJWs have done to the brand, but the culture among the illustrators, writers, inkers, and other people needed to make the comics still appears to be resoundingly left-wing and sympathetic to those ideals. They rebel when they aren't allowed to preach and insult anymore and it doesn't seem as easy as it should be to simply replace them with apolitical talent. Kind of like how Williams Street's liberal employees got MDE: World Peace cancelled from Adult Swim over politics despite it being a ratings success, I can easily imagine the leftist ideologues at LucasArts threatening to burn the house down if a Disney representative tells them to stop pushing pansexual droids in flash cartoons.
On the other hand, I'd kinda welcome that. Let them burn in a fire of their own making in the most public manner imaginable.
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No.19256
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No.19257
>>19244
That is pretty much my thought. You would need to always be on the age. Too shit you get canned as BigD will only take so much failure. Too good you get canned as then BigD will hire another person would step in who is slightly better.
Really it would just be easier to make great movies efficiently for a number of years and walk away with the dope retirement package once they finally cut you out.
That is the only flaw in the theory. The rest kind of makes sense.
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No.19258
>>19247
New type of shill perhaps? to minimize damage they, agree with much of the legit complaints and then slowly steer and direct people's anger against low level fall guys ie Kathleen Kennedy rather than at Disney and Bob Iger himself. Also the fact that the High council people seem to be basic bitch cuckservatives that like shapiro stinks of jewish tricks to me.
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No.19259
>>19242
Holy fuck. This guy is surprisingly spot on… He's like concentrated /sw/ in near-human form.
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No.19266
>>19242
Wow, kind of reminds me of Dr. Steel.
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No.19267
>what are contracts
It's likely Yidsney can't fire her even if they wanted to.
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No.19270
>>19254
Remember when companies could hire mercenaries to bully employees?
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No.19271
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No.19273
>>19267
They could but they would have to pay for breaching the contract…. so in other words you are saying that jewish run disney is cheap….. how anti-semitic.
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No.19274
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No.19275
>>19267
Even if they fire her, she made sure to put her people at every level of management at LucasFilm (it's easy to notice, they can't stop shitting on their audience on twitter).
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No.19279
>>19275
Pretty much why you gotta Brun down the entire company. It too infected.
Or try to bring back actual talent whil pushing out leftists ie Guild Wars.
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No.19344
It’s very simple to explain KK’s behavior without some circuitous ‘ruin star wars to save her job’ logic. She’s a woman who has a lot of experience in Hollywood but most of it was riding Spielburg or Lucas’ coattails. She’s able to do the business side of running a movie studio but she’s not a creative type. She never understood Star Wars.
She knows Star Wars is good with white males ages 6-65. Her goal is to lock down that group, so she asks her people to research what would make that existing Star Wars fans happy. They watch RLM and conclude following the Plinkett Review advice, shitting on the prequels, and hiring JJ are the way to go. KK does all these things. The key point here is that the Plinkett Reviews are terrible advice and with them you will make a movie like TLJ. No one realizes this yet.
She then says she wants to add minorities and women onto the existing fanbase of white males to increase sales. She demands a ‘kick-ass’ white female character to appeal to women, and infuses her with her own brand of non-sexual feminism by hiring a short flat british woman that JJ likes to imagine terrified. A black stormtrooper is added who willbe a craven dufus. She puts weirdo women on the ‘story board’ hoping to appeal more to women.
KK also makes the fateful decision to ‘Worf Effect’ the established male characters to make the female characters seem awesome. The result is the root of the problem and pisses everyone off. She also does several provocative things to attempt to signal that Star Wars is for girls now, which don’t add any more girls to the series and piss off male fans.
TFA does well. JJ creates a bunch of mystery boxes and holds Luke in reserve for VIII with just a teaser, so there’s a reason to see it. KK wants to hire young directors, hoping to infuse creativity in the series. The more canny Star Wars fans complain about Rey being a Mary Sue, but being liberals the creative team chalk this up to just sexist white males and shit on them. Toy sales decline, as people dislike Rey and think Kylo Ren sucks. The problems that will derail Star Wars are all here and have already occurred, but are about to get worse.
Rogue One encounters issues, because Gareth isn’t Spielburg, KK can’t work with him, and it’s so far left-wing even Disney freaks out. The studio throws in a Darth Vader fight scene and it saves the film, and it becomes a success. Toy sales are still weak, with people rejecting the unimaginative new designs and characters.
Then the worst calamity of all befalls Star Wars in the form of Rian Johnson. He comes in, convinces everyone he’s a genius of Star Wars, and even better, he’s a progressive who will appeal to all the right demographics. He obeys KK and Lucasfilm think he’s great. He shits in all the mystery boxes and squanders Luke, likely because KK wants to insist that Rey be the focus and Luke die to get rid of him so she can have more attention. Mark Hamill tries to warn everyone they are fucking up massively but he’s ignored. Mark gets on board because he’s a progressive cocksucker. They give Rian a trilogy just based on his wondrous script.
Trevorrow hates the script for VIII, so KK fires him. VIII is released and does well its first week, then falls off a cliff. Toy sales are so bad Toys R Us goes bankrupt. The fanbase absolutely hates it and the story group is so disconnected from things and shocked by this they lash out and start declaring it Russian bots and racists. KK after all wants to broaden the appeal of Star Wars, so the company defends the decision aggressively. No one is worried abecause it’s Star Wars and it can’t fail.
Lord and Miller fuck up Soylo with the lousy Ehrenreich who only got the part by fucking Spielburg. By now KK has fired most of the directors she hired except the one who fucked up the worst and JJ.
The movie bombs, the first legitimate live-action Star Wars bomb. Everybody is shocked and scrambles for excuses. KK decides to go quiet. The angry fans seem emboldened by this, and Lucasfilm gets nastier in talking to them.
This is about where we are now. I think Disney is still not taking any of the fan backlash seriously. Doubtlessly they see Kennedy’s plan to broaden the demographic appeal of Star Wars hasn’t worked, but they seem eager to believe Solo failed because it was too close to TLJ and because of Lord and Miller.
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No.19357
>>19344
I don't even get why anyone told here that Star Wars has problems outside the white male demographic. I grew up seeing the PT in theaters. No movie brought out women and minorities like a Star Wars film. Kids of these descriptors wore Star Wars merchandise to school. The EU lore and fan communities didn't lack "representation." In early YouTube days if I saw some body that wasn't a white male nerd jabbering about a sci-fi or fantasy franchise chances are there was a lot of Star Wars content. It's the universal myth. It was a never a problem and it didn't need fixing. It's like they've got people who think if they can't match their sales figures to the rough proportions of racial and gender makeup in a country or group of countries that they must be doing something to alienate people. When has making a character for the sake of diversity even actually worked to bring in customers of different backgrounds? Has any franchise attracted mestizos just by hiring a Guatemalan actress to be a sassy sidekick?
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No.19362
>>19357
>I don't even get why anyone told here that Star Wars has problems outside the white male demographic.
One thing I’d bet is that Disney has demographic research pretty well in hand. What is very certain is that women aren’t as into Star Wars as men are, and most of their efforts have been gender oriented as opposed to racial.
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No.19363
>>19357
Also, what do you have against whites? Are you a nigger or a hapa or something?
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No.19364
>>19357
They didn't care if there was a problem. They wanted to start problems because it serves as good publicity and brings attention while also having the additional benefit of winning some political good boy points with investors, allies and potential partners/subordinates.
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No.19374
>>19362
The point isn't that women are equally invested in Star Wars but as far as nerdy hobbies go I haven't seen anything with as much genuine female investment in Star Wars stuff. It's still a minority but a comparably larger share that I've noticed.
>>19363
Nothing I wrote implies a problem with whites. Do kindly grow up.
>>19364
So Marvel's strategy of "hate will generate publicity"? I guess they haven't lost enough money from that yet.
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No.19376
>>19374
>Nothing I wrote implies a problem with whites. Do kindly grow up.
What is wrong with a white nationalist movement?
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No.19377
>>19374
>So Marvel's strategy of "hate will generate publicity"? I guess they haven't lost enough money from that yet.
As long as it keeps investors and partners (and their Hollywood elite allies) happy, that's all that matters to them. Securing their positions of power regardless if they have to fuck everyone around them.
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No.19378
>>19376
>>19363
He didn't say anything anti-white. Are we being raided by /leftypol/ or something?
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No.19379
>>19374
>The point isn't that women are equally invested in Star Wars but as far as nerdy hobbies go I haven't seen anything with as much genuine female investment in Star Wars stuff. It's still a minority but a comparably larger share that I've noticed.
The point is they want to grow it to the same size as the male star wars fanbase. KK at one point said she wanted Star Wars to compete with Barbie for girls. It was an ambitious plan that was doomed to fail.
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No.19381
>>19379
So is KK just insane or did she really think such a terrible idea was a sure fire win thanks to all the yeswomen around her?
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No.19383
>>19378
I have a feeling it's just pic related.
>>19381
They think you can increase market share with pandering. The question I still have is "why"? when it never works. Perhaps >>19377 is correct and they think they'll have more secure careers for practicing goodthink than running a successful enterprise.
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No.19413
>>19383
>increase market share with pandering.
Rather than just making a good movie with good looking people like movie studios are supposed to do.
>>19362
>most of their efforts have been gender oriented as opposed to racial.
social engineering> shekels also I think you underplayed the racial component its there but like real life the feminst garbage is louder. There are a lot of african costumed negresses in all the disney movies with the my ancestor meme profile shot that randomly pop up in scenes in addition to the more obvious diversity characters.
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No.19415
>>19381
In its conception I’m not sure it was a terrible idea, just greedy. They wanted to replicate the sales they get with boys with girls. I think KK made two mistakes in that 1) she didn’t actually craft changes that would appeal to women, and 2) she decided to denigrate male fans and characters in order to make the women seem more impressive.
Game of Thrones is popular with women, and if you look at the two most popular characters for women, they are Daenerys (who is beautiful, sucks at combat, but is magically special and has male characters willing to die for her) and Sansa (who is beautiful, sucks at combat, is the most ‘damsel’ character on the show but also very feminine and has men willing to die for her). Women don’t really identify with the more martial female characters like Brienne or Arya, even if they like the characters. Both Sansa and Daenerys have a lot of insecurity and fear, which makes them relatable.
Contrast that with Rey. The only female appeal is Reylo and there is probably a quarter of the awful fanfic written for that as there is for Sansa and the Hound. Nobody talks about Rose or Holdo, or Phasma, because there’s nothing to them.
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No.19448
>>19413
It's got to be incestuous, horizontal signaling to their peers at this point. Women and minorities aren't rushing to reward them for empty, flat characters and extras with a pulse. They want their fellows in the Pedowood bath house to know they're down with the right mentality. If having the wrong opinion irrespective of bankability can get you kicked out of the business, then it stands to reason that signaling what they want to hear allows you to fail upward.
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No.19459
>>19448
Damn. How the hell has Hollywood not imploded with inconpitance? Or war we just watching in slowmo right now?
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No.19466
>>19459
>Or war we just watching in slowmo right now?
Bingo.
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No.19467
>>19459
Much of hollywood’s finances are nebulous. At least some of it is laundering money from other sources.
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No.19468
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>>19173
<is he ourguy?
No, this is.
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No.19469
>>19468
>Dave "Wolfman" Filoni
>ourguy
Surely you jest.
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No.19498
>>19469
I'd take a full furfaggot if it meant things returning to normal, and so would you. But unfortunately, and more to the point, he does stupid shit and doesn't really get the Empire, something critical to doing Star Wars right.
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No.19501
>>19498
True, but at the same time look what he did with Rebels. He put his wolf fetish at the center of the fucking universe. I mean, seriously, if he wants to satisfy his wolf fetish, there are plenty of wolf-based species to use for stories, but instead he makes wolves the guardians of the universe, the symbol of the gateway to the nexus of reality, and the new force ghosts. He can slap wolf images and species wherever he wants, but putting them on such a high pedestal of essential cosmic elements is just going overboard. Still if he's given a little restraint like in that area like in TCW, that'd be fine.
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No.19502
>>19498
But wolf shit aside, I think the best way to go if he's made head of Lucasfilm is to have him work alongside Zahn, Luceno and maybe Leland Chee at all times.
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No.19518
>>19498
>and so would you
Absolutely not! Yiff in hell, furfags. I'd rather be miserable without them than moderately entertained with them.
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No.19523
>>19498
>things returning to normal
the only way things will return to normal is if george returns, but that isn't happening. the golden age of star wars is over.
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No.19531
>>19498
The good old days of SW won't come back, Disney LucasFilm made sure of it.
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No.19541
>>19498
I'd argue he doesn't get the Sith or the Force that well either. The worst part of that is because of his reputation as Lucas' own padawan his word on the lore is taken my normalfags to be analogous to Saint Paul and Christianity.
He does, however, understand what Lucasfilm wants out of these factions: A two-dimensional punching bag to furnish antagonism coupons for the week's episode or the month's short story. I think that his new "Resistance" cartoon will smother all interest in the First Order for good finishing the job that offing Snoke started.
>>19501
It really does spaghetti my meatballs why he didn't use furfag species for that shit. I can only speculate that his something to do with his weirdo esoteric Lucasism. It's the same belief where he insisted that he couldn't portray Sith spirits in "Rebels" because he didn't believe that's how Lucas intended the Force to work even though he didn't need to obey any of the prior canon. I'd be surprised if Lucas would approve of Filoni's lupification of the Force or the idea of there being a Force-gate that travels through time.
Plus I feel like Chris-Chan and his Sonic Boom protests but THRAWN'S PUPILS ARE NOT FREAKING BLACK REEEEEEEEEEE
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No.19546
>>19541
Don't get me started on that last one. But yeah, canning Sith ghosts was probably the thing I hated most about TCW and which made me stop watching the series regularly. So much wasted potential lost.
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No.19547
>>19541
>I think that his new "Resistance" cartoon will smother all interest in the First Order for good finishing the job that offing Snoke started.
The First Order was never all that interesting except you could pretend they were just the Empire.
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No.19551
>>19541
>It really does spaghetti my meatballs why he didn't use furfag species for that shit. I can only speculate that his something to do with his weirdo esoteric Lucasism.
That would be the last straw for the ghost of Walter. He would litterly come back from the grave and murder everyone. I think it is a solid idea.
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No.19553
>>19518
Roger roger. Kill the furries.
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No.19554
>>19541
Is there any actual proof that he's wolfkin besides the show?
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No.19555
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No.19556
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No.19557
>>19554
Do you really need more?
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No.19560
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No.19570
>>19547
>The First Order was never all that interesting except you could pretend they were just the Empire.
the first order is the remnant with a paintjob
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No.19585
>>19570
Ya pretty much. Through out the EU like it was nouthing and then slowly being back stuff either reskinned or poorly thought out.
Also our guy posted a long ass stream. Have no idea if anything relevant to /SW/ came up. Mostly just thanking peeps for superchats for the first 45 mins.
https://youtu.be/LLSXxNMmwR0
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No.19587
>>19585
>3 hours
Its always best to watch streams while they're still active. Going after its over always feels lackluster.
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No.19588
>>19587
Yeah. Livestreams are pretty boring anyways because typically faggots are just asking dumb questions in superchats and fluffing the e-celeb.
It seems to be most interesting when several people are on the voicechat discussing something and the listeners can interject in the chat.
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No.19589
>>19570
If only. At least the Remnant had competing warlords and a good amount of depth, FO are bland, incompetent Saturday morning cartoon villains.
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No.19601
>>19570
Apparently there's still an Imperial Remnant not affiliated with the First Order directly but either they've been forgotten about or are waiting their turn to get fagged up by mouse AIDS.
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No.19797
>>19601
Because of course. Let's just throw in the most incompatible scraps of the EU because we have no plan.
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No.20142
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No.20190
>>19601
>Apparently there's still an Imperial Remnant not affiliated with the First Order directly but either they've been forgotten about or are waiting their turn to get fagged up by mouse AIDS.
that's the rest of the galaxy. i haven't bothered to confirm it but i've heard that the nu canon states that the empire and rebellion signed an armistice, that allowed the empire to keep the core worlds and any other worlds that wished to remain under the care of the empire, which was apparently a lot, while the new republic would be formed and take on all other systems minus the unknown regions, which is where the first order started and has been continually fed by the remnant.
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No.20195
>>20190
I heard that the Trade Federation or its descendant runs most of the galaxy and they see the Resistance and First Order and pathetic.
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No.20196
>>20195
>Even the prequels get undone
I hope that's not true, anon.
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No.20197
>>20196
I would rather have the Trade Federation Japs than Kylo the fag or the weird lesbian cult Resistance.
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No.20198
>>20197
This to be honest. Bring on the space frog gook master race!
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No.20200
>>20198
Kylo Ren
>destroys machinery in a tantrum when things don't go his way
>loses fight to a girl in their first meeting, she scars him
Rey
>Never has anything not go her way, still losing war
>Doesn't lose a fight but watches entire resistance get torched by turbolasers.
Holdo
>Only move is canon-defying stupidity
>Loses to a guy who fell for a crank call from a beaner in their first meeting.
Hux
>Whines and runs away when things go badly
>Bitten by feral gook in deleted scene, can't even discipline her.
Nute Gunray
<summons droidekas when things don't go his way, then teams up with badass bounty hunter clone template and sophisticated deadly jedi
<totally BTFO a young girl the first time their forces engage, has her processed
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No.20202
>>20200
Also he had that sweet sweet walking chair. Really stylish.
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No.20203
>>20202
Neimodians also have great fashion sense.
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No.20225
>>20190
That makes me laugh because Lucas bothered to add scenes of places like Coruscant experiencing mass celebrations and the tearing down of Sheev's statue in order to communicate to the fanbase that, "No guys, really, most of the Galaxy didn't like the Empire and wished Palpatine were gone. They WERE the bad guys here." Now Disney, which is the same company that's made the Galactic Civil War even more strictly black and white and slapped the Empire with more irrationally cruel war crimes, has written its lore such that the former symbol and capitol of the Republic was basically abandoned by the Rebellion and still exists as an Imperial stronghold.
The Nu-Canon version of the New Republic is actually quite small compared to Legends. Many worlds further from the core, like Rhyloth, have decided to assert their independence rather than join up with the New Republic or remain in the Empire because they don't trust extraplanetary government. They lost even more worlds when several planets represented by the Centrist political party seceded to the First Order. Honestly reading up on some of the nu-lore on Wookiepedia helps me understand how even something like the First Order can BTFO the New Republic.
>>20195
I believe the Bloodlines novel (the one about Leia after RotJ) states that the Corporate Sector has grown and asserted more independence since the Galactic Civil War. Not quite the Trade Federation but they still fulfill the role of "evil greedy capitalists" because their independence and anonymity allows them to secretly sell weapons to the First Order.
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No.20226
>>20225
>the Centrist political party
Wait what? Are you fucking serious? That's the name of an SW faction now?
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No.20227
>>20226
I know what you're thinking but it's retarded for a different reason. They aren't "Centrist" as in moderate or middle-ground in their temperament and politics. It refers to them wanting a stronger central government with a healthy military not quite so much maybe as that which existed under Palpatine but more than it was during the older Republic age. They are opposed by the "Populists" who want the member planets to retain greater sovereignty and don't want the Republic to maintain an army and navy capable of exercising any show of force comparable to the Empire's actions.
They're basically like the Federalist and Anti-Federalist parties which existed in early post-Revolutionary America. The author just chose really bad names to represent those ideologies or was trying to garner attention by using somewhat more popular Current Year ideological terms and repurposing them.
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No.20228
>>20227
But of all the fucking names… wait
>the author just chose really bad names
You mean there are more stupidly named factions?
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No.20236
>>20228
>You mean there are more stupidly named factions?
this is nu canon we're talking about, don't be surprised. nothing naming wise could even compare to the likes of say, the zann consortium. maybe at best the soy consortium.
also, snoke's species is basically named the spectators. i forgot the actual word but it's really fucking dumb.
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No.20245
>>20228
I don't know of any that are as confusing as the Centrist and Populist parties yet. There's some mystery box level crap where they introduce a sci-fi or fantasy-sounding name without cluing in the nomenclature and just leaving it out there for somebody to define in the future (which to be fair is what Lucas did with the word "Sith") but nothing with connotations entirely unlike what the word is supposed to represent.
>20228
They actually haven't named Snoke's race yet. His alien servants are called "Attendants" and are from the unknown regions, but Snoke doesn't share their species. The rumor I heard is that they aren't planning on ever naming Snoke's race because they want it to be like Yoda's race or what Jawas look like underneath their hoods. A deliberate perpetual mystery that isn't supposed to be solved.
Of course like all of nu-canon's imitations of the past it fundamentally misses what makes such a thing work. The mystique of Yoda's species was never something portrayed as important about his character or an element of the hype or intrigue surrounding him and the movies never baited or insinuated some grand and impressive reveal about a Jawa's unmasked face. Snoke was used as a giant question mark the answers to which were supposed to keep people coming back. All of these non-answers and hand waves are just blue balling the people who decided to give a damn in the first place and turning off the audience they're trying to attract.
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No.20248
>>20227
I thought they were called centrist because they literally live in the center of the galaxy?
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No.20260
>>20248
That's another reason why it isn't a very good name. It's supposed to refer to their preference for a formidable centralized authority but it's also true as you're referencing that most Centrist planets are part of the Core Worlds. This is because that part of the Galaxy reaped the most material benefits from the New Order. Often this was at the expense of outer lying worlds, which is something from Legends that Nu-Canon kept.
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No.20298
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