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 No.18353 [Last50 Posts]

http://archive.is/mKVTL

Gee its nice to know that Disney and Lucasfilm picked the best and most qualified people to write and manage the Star Wars website. Remember goys, you're not customers. You are overprivileged sheep that need to learn your place.

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 No.18354

File: 745ac86a5f34281⋯.jpg (115.81 KB,286x413,286:413,84e56310apo.jpg)

>You don't own shit anymore goyim!! You are nothing, a nobody just like rey :'^)

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 No.18355

File: 41219659eb31ff2⋯.gif (823.62 KB,500x375,4:3,stupid dog.gif)

>>18353

>you are not a customer just because you buy a ticket or the merchandise

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 No.18358

>using weasel technical terms to pretend they aren't customers

>when the middlemen companies mentioned only make selling easier due to these people wanting to buy your goods, but you don't have distribution centers of your own

I'm sick of dealing with insane people and their deceptive lies and manipulation.

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 No.18359

File: 18e7f8dcba14905⋯.jpeg (29.48 KB,593x329,593:329,8194fd0d91d28b840987a2021….jpeg)

>>18353

>You are not a "customer"

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 No.18363

>>18353

>You are not a "customer" of either Lucasfilm or Star Wars.

Well, xer's got that right. Not a single thing from the nuTrilogy has made me want to spend a single cent of anything to do with it.

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 No.18366

>>18363

Same. Haven't seen any of the Disney Star Wars movies. I have had fun watching people tear into them, though.

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 No.18367

>>18353

>Trying to pawn off the hate onto your corporate partners.

Keep digging that grave. I'm sure they love how "well" the merchandise is selling as well.

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 No.18378

>>18367

Didnt toys r us to out of business partially because the nu wars stuff isnt selling?

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 No.18379

>>18378

They had not turned a profit since 2013. What ended up killing them was having a loan called instead of the loaner allowing them to get an extension, which is the norm. The company they got the loan from is notorious for pulling this to split apart companies and selling the assets for profit. Bain Capital, from our old pal Mitt Romney.

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 No.18380

File: d58e64b47bc252b⋯.jpg (35.5 KB,403x404,403:404,confusedronald.jpg)

So who are their customers? How do they think they make money?

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 No.18381

>>18380

Well, technically, their customers are companies who pay the money for the license, like Hasbro, EA or movie theaters. They are correct in the most technical sense, none of us is would be buying anything directly from Disney.

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 No.18383

File: 13e34e0c1aae883⋯.jpg (36.6 KB,640x480,4:3,stupidgirl.jpg)

>>18381

The logic of the representative is obvious enough to me, but it still pastas my meatball that even lukewarm body hired to manage social media could decide to confirm the uploading of that statement. Movie studios don't just randomly push whatever film they feel like ignoring what genres, talent, and franchises are the most lucrative because it's the movie theaters' job to fill the aisles. Video game publishers don't wash their hands of sales figures and online participation rates after shipping hard copies to Gamestop or giving a license to Valve. This is one of those concepts that can be intuitively understood without cognitively mapping out the logic.

To write this "ackshually"-tier retort not only establishes a difference without a distinction but blares on all frequencies with false bravado. To suggest that a consumer's feedback doesn't matter because he isn't a direct customer is something any half-literate nigger can automatically understand as a fallacy built on semantics even if lacking the vocabulary to express so.

Same goes for the rest of the Tweets in that series. Companies tend to care if their employees' behavior is driving away profits whether those are derived from direct sales or licensing revenue is a distant quaternary fact.

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 No.18387

>>18383 double-digit dubs that happen to be the same last two digits of the year that Return of the Jedi was released

You. I like you.

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 No.18393

File: a56161d89d23f6a⋯.mp4 (935.31 KB,1280x720,16:9,shill-hating cat.mp4)

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 No.18394

They act like this and they're surprised nobody wants to see their shitty movies or buy their shitty toys.

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 No.18396

File: 8f8e42942cf1fce⋯.gif (2.13 MB,371x500,371:500,The Masked Man.gif)

>>18379

>Bain Capital

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 No.18397

>>18383

It's amazing how hard it seems to be to hire decent Community Managers nowadays. I think part of the reason is that everyone tries to be the next le snarky corporate meme account because that's worked out so well for Wendy's and Sonic. And it just keeps backfiring every single time.

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 No.18399

>>18397

>because that's worked out so well for Wendy's and Sonic.

Sauce? Pardon the pun.

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 No.18400

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File: d972771bb2c3adb⋯.png (202.01 KB,627x693,19:21,autistic_pizza.png)

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 No.18402

>>18400

SonicxWendy OTP

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 No.18405

File: 50a5ba7994d2e25⋯.jpg (40.76 KB,400x400,1:1,Welcome_to_DESU.jpg)

>>18402

Please tell me how to get rid of the flag without deleting cookies and I won't tell you to kill yourself ~desu :3

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 No.18406

>>18397

>le snarky corporate meme account because that's worked out so well for Wendy's and Sonic

Wendy's and sonic talked shit about competition, not their own customers

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 No.18407

>>18400

God, I hate the recent trend of companies trying to be hip with the kids via Twitter.

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 No.18408

>>18405

Delete system32

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 No.18409

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 No.18410

>>18407

In the case of Wendy's, it was some dumb millennial cunt who was in charge of their twitter presence, and who was "roasting" faggots. The company didn't really have involvement, and I think they got rid of her.

In the case of Sonic, I think they decided to stick to their fans and it worked. Though pandering for the sake of panda-rings is AIDS, whether good or bad (then it becomes a matter of "better" or "worse" AIDS).

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 No.18416

Also, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Finn is a bit of a racist stereotype of how niggertroopers were seen.

>cowardly

>weak

>secondary work (janitor; "the black guy is the janitor")

Except for lazy I suppose. Now, of course, there's nothing wrong with racism, but from many people's perspective this would be seen as "wrong".

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 No.18424

>>18394

That and they lash out and shit on fans, then complain that the fans are toxic when it comes back at them.

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 No.18425

>>18416

I think they are too blinded by having a nigger main character in SW to see that he is a walking stereotype, and a piss poor character only added to fill the diversity quota.

They seem to forget that Lando and Windu were important characters in the OT & PT though…

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 No.18428

>>18416

Don't forget the "where the white woman at?" lines.

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 No.18437

>>18428

Someone needs to do a compilation of E;R's Finnposting.

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 No.18445

>>18437

I'll do it if you can tell me the minutes in the videos you want in a collage.

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 No.18455

>>18353

>@syfyfangrrls

Really says it all.

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 No.18463

>>18379

This isn't quite right. When the private equity companies (Bain and a few others) bought Toys R Us, they did so through a leveraged buyout, basically buying it with a combination of a small amount of their own money and a massive loan. They then forced Toys R Us to service that loan. In order to reach profitability while paying off the debt, they had to cut jobs, benefits, infrastructure investment, and so on. What followed was a disengaged and demoralized workforce, aging infrastructure, minimal investment in new ideas to refresh the company, and a debt that was impossible to pay off.

The combined strain of the loan and Amazon/Walmart were what killed the company, along with fewer people buying their current product lines for a variety of reasons, although mainly because of diminishing financial prospects among the vast majority of American workers.

The Twitter argument in the OP is specious, though. The licensees buy licenses based on the profitability of the brand. Technically, one is a customer of those licensees, but they are also indirectly customers of the licensor. If customers are dissatisfied with the brand as a whole and stop buying, it would lead to fewer licensees and decreased profitability for Lucasfilm and the franchise. The licensor can ignore those consumers, much like they can ignore consumers of the movies, but they do so at their own peril. And, regardless, a customer doesn't "own" the company they purchase a commodity from by virtue of that purchase.

<tinyboard flag alt></tinyboard>

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 No.18475

>>18406

And that's exactly what they apparently don't get.

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 No.18674

>>18353

This doesn't even make sense. If you're buying into an IP, how are you any less of a customer than if you are buying physical products? How would this person define the relationship between a collector of Star Wars merchandise, and the owner of the Star Wars IP?

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 No.19227

We keep attacking disney.

George Lucas lore is alive and well in our minds.

It's nothing more than a demand GL needs to make HIS 3rd trilogy complete.

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 No.19233

>>19227

Disney will never allow it and something tells me George isn't too keen on buying back the franchise. How much would it cost to actually buy it back I wonder?

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 No.19578

>>18425

>They seem to forget that Lando and Windu were important characters in the OT & PT though…

you have to remember anon, everything george did was poison and him no longer handling the franchise is the right way to do it :^)

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 No.19579

>>19233

>How much would it cost to actually buy it back I wonder?

depends on how hard of a hit it takes. iger might try to get back his $4bn, but the franchise isn't really worth even that much now, george would most likely be able to settle for a lower amount and come out on top, it's practically win-win for him.

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 No.19584

>>19579

But would George bother to buy it back? Could we even trust him to not sell it again? And if not him, who else could be trusted with buying SW and not fuck it up?

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 No.19593

They are right, Star Wars fans are a bunch of psychos. It's a good thing the mainstream is finally realizing this instead of romanticizing fans like they did a few years ago with "Lucas ruined muh childhood, Disney will save Star Wars" bullshit.

If Star Wars fans were told to BTFO 10 years ago Lucas would've never sold the franchise.

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 No.19596

>>19593

>fans

>implying

At risk of pulling a No True Scotsman, the people who REEE about the prequels aren't whom I would call "fans." They don't give a shit about the EU, they aren't big merchandise collectors, and they can't form an opinion about the movies without some shitty team of YouTube vloggers dictating it into their ear. They're just normies who realized that waxing lyrical hysteria about how George Lucas personally drove a CGI-enhanced phallus through their childhood was a trendy thing to do. Add to that being a "quirky geek XD" becoming fashionable after Mythbusters and Big Bazinga Theory, and the signalling increased even harder.

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 No.19599

>>19593

Lucas was too classy to allow that, which is why he is missed. And you do realize the only reason they shit on the prequels is because he was independent, right? They wanted to trash the guy who wasn’t One of Them.

But in one sense you are correct that the Mike Stoklasas ruined Star Wars. The Plinkett Reviews did more damage to Star Wars than midichlorians ever did.

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 No.19602

>>19596

I feel the same way. There were too many faggots who insisted they loved "real Star Wars" and were huge fans but thought the prequels were a sin against Sci-Fi, only the original and unedited OT movies were canon, and the EU was geeky cringe for sophisticated young adults like them to mock with their bros. The only deeper Star Wars lore they took interest in were popular video games like Shadows of the Empire or Knights of the Old Republic, and on the later they'd insist their boring head canon was on par with what actual creatives were fleshing out in those eras.

Normalfag poseurs always made me sick. They deserve Disney's tripe. I might have to deal with it too, but I've also got a familiarity with a deep and expansive lore they foolishly disregarded.

>>19599

I have never met a single OT purist who doesn't direct others to the RLM videos when asked why the prequels were so bad. They cannot independently form an argument. It's the Star Wars version of "Read Stirner/Moldbug"

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 No.19622

>>19584

i don't get this sentiment of "fucking it up". the only wrong george can do is make a movie that just doesn't jive well, or suffers from cliches and tropes. as the creator of star wars, his say is final whether you like it or not. this is why they had the canon hierarchy, you had george's view of canon and then you had everyone else's view of canon.

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 No.19624

>>19622

What the fuck are you on about faggot? I'm talking about someone who could fill George's shoes while not fucking it up.

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 No.19628

>>19624

my bad i misread, uhh honestly i have no clue.

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 No.19637

>>19596

>the people who don't value Jar Jar Binks and Midichlorians are not the true fans of SW

Or maybe you were a kid when the prequels were released, internalized all that shit like a retard, and now you can't set apart quality from nostalgia.

In 10 years we will have copies of you, who long for the good old times of TFA. Suck it up fam, some of us are 40+ and not /tv/ rejects like you.

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 No.19643

>>19602

>Normalfag poseurs always made me sick. They deserve the gas chamber.

fixed

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 No.19644

>>19637

Here's your (You).

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 No.19645

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>19637

>appreciating PT=stubborn ignorance of its flaws

Fuck off, crypto-Alderaanian.

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 No.19649

>>19637

>Or maybe you were a kid when the prequels were released, internalized all that shit like a retard, and now you can't set apart quality from nostalgia.

No. Even when I was a moron who like the Plinkett reviews (and I’ll admit I did this) I still watched the prequels. I still liked Dooku and Grievous and Jango and the Clone Troopers. I would watch TPM on a loop while I played Star Wars Rebellion.

The prequels are not flawless, but nothing they ever did felt like it was intentionally done to provoke. They were always entertaining, even when they were a little silly. TLJ has nothing to recommend it. Every single scene is bad. Vehicle designs are bad or derivative (and bad).

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 No.19653

Something about living in California must completely fry your brain.

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 No.19658

>>19637

>That 40-year-old Boomer who feels very strongly about the need to put the next generation of geeks in their place.

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 No.19660

I really want to shitpost but I promised I'd be genuine on here incase (((somebody))) is reading. If a company wants to excel, all they need to do is to ensure they stay the fuck away from politics and talking to fans. Every single time I've seen anything listen to it's fanbase it always ends badly, right or left. Just make the story you want to make without pandering either way, see how it goes, then move on to the next.

It's like they are allergic to money.

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 No.19662

>>19653

It's mainly the "people" of California:

<large jewish population

<homosexuals

<Hippie/drug junkie degeneracy

<Boomers

<Large homeless population

<Wealth-fare state

<Large "legal" and illegal hispanic pop.

<Large nigger population

There is nothing good in California.

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 No.19669

>>19662

Except for those neat cable car streets and the Chinese Theater. If the 8 or 9 magnitude "Big One" ever comes to California, I hope the theater survives so we can move it somewhere else.

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 No.19704

>>19649

this entire post

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 No.19725

>>19649

>shit is good to eat, as long as it's not political

Your generation has to live in constant neurosis due to the rise of neomarxism, so now you're starting to wander in cuckooland by idealizing anything that's not current year culture. I know you're turning into something pathetic, because you lie to yourself when you make up shit about the prequels being hated only due to some youtuber's opinion. When you start with the lies to keep up the delusion, you're gone.

But a dumb guy liking the prequels is nothing important. The problem is that you give ammo you disney, which seeks to frame all SW fans as clinical cases like you.

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 No.19726

>>19725

>MIDICHLORIANS REEEEEE

You have to come to terms with the fact that it was you who caused Disney to occur. You were an implacable, spoiled gen-Xer who was angry the prequels didn’t make him eight years old again. You are the one who was used by the Hollywood system to attack Lucas. You are the same guy as Dobson, fantasizing about chopping Lucas’ head off. What you desperately want is to be exonerated for your miserable behavior. You’ll get no such thing here.

>when you make up shit about the prequels being hated only due to some youtuber's opinion

Stoklasa distilled the opinions of many useless people. People who wrote songs about George Lucas raping their childhood because he added a rock outcropping to a Blu-Ray. These people are demonstrably wrong.

The thing is, RLM became *the* definitive source of why the prequels were bad. It is the opinion of that group, which is why ultimately the Plinkett Reviews are the only indictment of the prequels that matter. I have never heard anyone say he Plinkett reviews are wrong and that the prequels are terrible at the same time.

Mike also thought invading Iraq was a good idea. So did I. But time has proven us both terribly wrong. I said the prequels were garbage. Time has proven me wrong. Admit you made mistakes. Admit the prequels were not the shitty movies you pretended they were. Apologize to George. It’s the first step in becoming free of the cuckoldry of Hollywood.

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 No.19727

>>19726

I wonder if this is the reason why Mike drinks so much.

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 No.19729

>>19727

no, mike just knows he's a pathetic piece of shit and waste of life, that's why he drinks so much.

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 No.19730

>>19727

Mike is a giant piece of shit because instead of admitting his mistake on everything he ever thought, he just went ‘lol who even cares’ and crawled further up his own asshole when the worst Star Wars movie ever came out.

Even a dead-ender committed to hating the prequels because it had a cartoon rastafarian in it is still better than Mike.

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 No.19732

>>19726

Allowing Hollywood to continue existing past the 2000s was a bad idea.

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 No.19736

>>19732

>Allowing Hollywood to exist was a bad idea.

ftfy

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 No.19742

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>>19726

>You were an implacable, spoiled gen-Xer who was angry the prequels didn’t make him eight years old again

I remember these people clearly from the turn of the century. They felt deeply aggrieved that the prequels were not a Star Wars that had "grown up with them" and treated them as being entitled to first consideration by way of seniority. It was a betrayal to them that Lucas decided to make another set of family films inclusive of that generation's prepubescent children. The fatbeards who thought they were being cultivated and elite looking down their chins at kids who wanted to buy young Obi-Wan action figures and thought pod racing looked cool. Alpha spergs who in the same breath thought Darth Maul was the most kickass thing they'd seen since Vader.

The sequel trilogy by contrast can't even manage to stand on the appeal to a motive of captivating all ages as a pardon for losing the older fans. Kids wanted the merchandise and playthings associated with the prequels even as manchildren were signaling their nerd cred by prototyping the angry reviewer fad. They liked Clones vs. Droids. They liked Mace Windu and acrobat Yoda. They played video games with prequel content. I don't see any evidence that Current Year 8-year-olds are impressed by sequel trilogy merchandise. All of the expected and admittedly excessive branding (Kylo Ren dinner mats and Chewbacca toothbrush holders) I saw before TFA came out has conspicuously vanished without a trace. I see no kids or teenagers walking around with sequel characters and scenes printed on graphic T-shirts, backpacks, jackets, or hats. I only see the occasional 30-ish bugman wearing something with the TLJ red border text logo.

Last Friday I was at my local Wal-Mart and decided to go to the toy section and see if the Star Wars toy market was crashing as bad as videos uploaded to /sw/ suggested. It was almost completely barren. When I was younger, the Star Wars section even at a Wal-Mart was bloated with merchandise not just for the prequel era material but various things from the OT and EU that only a few hardcore geeks would probably recognize. This aisle, however, had almost no action figures or play sets of any kind. The majority of shelf space was dedicated to toy lightsabers and I attribute that to wagging around laser swords never going out of style among children muhRey or otherwise. There were a couple of units with soft injection molded figurines and Micro Machines style vehicle models and some electronic gauntlet tat affiliated with Soylo. There was a scale model of Darth Vader's helmet from the Black Series going for $99.00 and a couple of Millennium Falcon toys in OT and Soylo options.

The only actual action figure on sale was a Black Series Kylo Ren, which seems to be selling relatively well. The amount of unused white space was blinding.

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 No.19743

>>19742

Seems black series toys always sell pretty well compared to the other shit.

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 No.19744

>>19742

>Alpha spergs who in the same breath thought Darth Maul was the most kickass thing they'd seen since Vader.

That’s how you know nobody really hated the prequels. Despite the fact that they ‘hate’ them, they all will recite the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise, Midichlorians and all. They all say they want Ewan Macgregor to come back as Obi Wan. They will all talk fondly about Republic Commando and Jango Fett.

>I see no kids or teenagers walking around with sequel characters and scenes printed on graphic T-shirts, backpacks, jackets, or hats. I only see the occasional 30-ish bugman wearing something with the TLJ red border text logo.

I feel bad for boys. Something that was distinctly for them - about spaceships, knights, blasters, smugglers, adventures with best friends, rescuing princesses, and fathers and sons (perhaps most importantly) - became this ugly equivalent of a Berkeley menstrual rally where the participants started throwing xer bloody tampons and howlng death to the patriarchy.

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 No.19751

>>19742

I actually finally saw someone wearing a nu-Wars shirt. It was some tiny girl in the 8-10 range (I'm honestly not sure, I find it really goddamn hard to guess how old kids are) wearing some pink shirt with Rey and a bunch of other female Star Wars characters on it.

I really wanted to ask her a bunch of questions to figure out how much of a fan she was and then find her again in half a decade and see if she still even cared.

It was weird to find an actual member of KK's target demographic existing outside of Twitter/Tumblr/Reddit.

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 No.19759

>>19751

I think the closest thing to a target demographic (beyond nu-males etc) are kids too young to know any better. I have kid brother that's 7 years old, and I see him with a TFA shirt every so often.

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 No.19768

>>19742

>>19759

nobody walks around with rey/finn shirts, it's all first order characters. shit, i myself was a semi-victim of this plague, a guy i follow who makes great custom shirts did one for The Farce Awakens with the iStorm helmets on it, and i loved the design of it, so i bought one. since then, i've gotten rid of it but i don't regret supporting the artist.

>>19743

the black series figures are the "end all/be all" of star wars figures at this point. despite having shitty articulation for the most part, their level of detail is what gets them the high praise they've received.

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 No.21024

File: 48083c68efe70b1⋯.jpg (170.66 KB,1080x1079,1080:1079,FB_IMG_1534571667878.jpg)

I forgot where all the filoni wolf shit is, but here you go for further proof.

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 No.21025

File: 51c4a58b4545729⋯.jpg (58.59 KB,601x500,601:500,FUCKING FURRIES.jpg)

>>21024

>thwolf

>that neckbeard/fedora combo

Geez Filoni, dial it back a bit.

Also who's the guy with him?

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 No.21031

>>19726

Why are Midichlorians a good thing? Genuinely curious.

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 No.21033

File: 24046821de38584⋯.gif (1.83 MB,380x238,190:119,Kawaii_umaru_chan.gif)

File: 7c8aa9be49e5b93⋯.png (229.14 KB,1200x1167,400:389,Silly.png)

>itt: generational shitflinging

boy you guys sure are 200+ IQ rick and morty fans for sure yep even got all the kewl maymays found on le ebin redditz to back it up yessiree

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 No.21043

>Shitting on your customers.

Good work there Disney, continue doing so and you won't have any left.

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 No.21045

>>21025

>fedora

That's not a fedora.

>Also who's the guy with him?

Jon Favreau

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 No.21050

File: fd252c47f1cb479⋯.jpg (381.01 KB,1920x1080,16:9,fd252c47f1cb47969c358622ca….jpg)

>>21033

>thinking anyone here gives a shit about Reddit and Memey

Disg

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 No.21067

>>21025

are you young or just socially retarded?

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 No.21072

>>19596

The difference between a fan and a sycophant is that a fan can criticize and accept criticism about what they love, a sycophant won't and can't.

These people at Disney only want the latter.

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 No.21073

>>21031

This is an odd burden of proof. Maybe explain why it's bad.

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 No.21102

Well they are right, Star Wars fans are stupid, always were. But they are condemning fans for the wrong rea$on$.

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 No.21105

>>21073

They demystify the force. Plus Zahn already (before TPM was filmed) created a far better method for determining potential Jedi (force sensitives will reflexively force push away if you poke part of their mind, more powerful users means bigger push) that would have been far better for film than a number being big because we're told it's big.

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 No.21106

>>21105

>They demystify the force

You could almost argue that's an advantage when you consider how the Jedi were supposed to be portrayed in the prequels. The Order was somewhat demystified itself, at the height of its power, Jedi becoming more and more politically involved while simultaneously more and more detached from the galaxy at large. There wasn't a lot of heart left in the Jedi by that point, and using a sterile, scientific blood test to look for Force-sensitives is a microcosm of that.

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 No.21107

File: 113ef1294af9d58⋯.jpg (34.9 KB,503x595,503:595,124579312649.jpg)

>>21050

>1080p

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 No.21109

>>21105

No, that would be retarded. Qui Gon what, puts his hand on his forehead and suddenly Anakin knocks him over? Stupid. Given how people reacted to a little kid in the movie, having him do something like that would cause as much sperging as midichlorians.

Midichlorians don't matter much. All they are are little creatures that live in people and give you access to the force, and Lucas had a reason for including them. They aren't the force.

What really happened is gen-Xers believed midichlorians meant not everybody could be a Jedi, but that had already been established in the EU.

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 No.21110

>>21109

If midichlorians are what connect us to the force do they exist in everything? What connects a rock to the force? Do midichlorians exist in the blood of all species? If midichlorians give a biological connection point, then theoretically a poison that only effected them could be designed to disconnect force users. When it was just a mystic force that flows through all life that wouldn't have been possible without using some kind of force technique. Now it just takes a talented biological weapon designer.

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 No.21113

>>21110

>When it was just a mystic force that flows through all life that wouldn't have been possible without using some kind of force technique

This was never true even in the EU. Ysalamiri evolved a biological ability to disable the force within a bubble around them, and more ysalamiri meant a larger region.

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 No.21116

>>21113

That only blocks the connection to the force, not a permanent disconnect. Once the force user is out of range of the ysalamiri bubble their connection returns. By targeting their midichlorians and whatever their reproduction cycles are a force user could be cut off from the force entirely. The only blocking like this had been Ulic-Qel Droma done by Nomi Sunrider, which is what I would prefer that it takes a powerful force user to deny access to another.

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 No.21117

>>21109

> Qui Gon what, puts his hand on his forehead and suddenly Anakin knocks him over?

No, Qui-Gon tells Anakin to hold still, concentrates a bit then is

a: suddenly thrown across the room, showing off some Jedi agility as he lands on the wall safely

b: (if you wanted to throw away any subtlety) he gets force choked and Obi-Wan gets a bit of heroism by tackling Anakin to stop it.

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 No.21122

>>21116

It could very easily be written that a distillate of ysalamiri made you disconnected from the force. The point is biological methods to block the force already existed. What you are concerned about isn't a problem.

>>21117

That is fucking dumb. Midichlorians was way better. Lucas knows best.

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 No.21123

>>21117

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say that this sounds stupid.

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 No.21126

Re: midichlorians

They're just Ysalmiri in reverse. Midichlorians are attracted to the force (as a food/energy source, I dunno; maybe they use it for "forceosynthesis" like chlorophyll does with sunlight), and so thrive more successfully in force users. Poof, problem solved. Force still mystical, force still applies to rocks and inanimate objects.

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 No.21127

>>21126

Midichlorians are based on mitochondria, so it's like arguing that eating is demystified because mitochondria store energy for the cell and oh noes someone could starve you by killing your mitochondria.

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 No.21128

>>21127

Sort of like mitochondria, but I don't think killing off midichlorians removes force ability. I think it's more like using moss to find the north side of a tree; an indicator, not a critical element of the equation.

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 No.21129

>>21128

Lucas said Anakin lost a lot of power because he lost a lot of midichlorians when Mustafar happened. He eventually compensated by honing his technique but he didn't reach his full potential.

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 No.21131

>>21129

So size does matter. Should've just fattened up to get more midichlorians then.

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 No.21133

>>21131

It still isn't very clear what the relationship is between midichlorians and force usage, just that having more gives you more potential. But Obi Wan supposedly had a low or unimpressive count but was still a powerful jedi.

It's a bit like the difference between skill and talent. Midichlorians are natural talent but you can still compensate through skill. Anakin leaned on his raw talent a bit too much but as Vader learned to develop skill with the force to surpass his previous ability.

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 No.21134

>>21129

I thought what Lucas said was that Anakin lost some of his connection to the Force because he'd lost so much of his humanity by becoming part machine.

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 No.21136

>>21134

But would losing his humanity be due to having to have limbs replaced or because part of his soul died having to live with killing all his former friends and allies and believing he murdered his wife and unborn child.

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 No.21137

>>21136

Both.

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 No.21143

>>21105

>They demystify the force

this isn't due to george's movie, it's due to your misinterpreting the movie. obi-wan said the force was the life energy of the universe, that already puts it into a semi-realistic and scientific scale, basically magic dna. it was implied from the get-go that jedi were just folk who took their time to learn to wield it. not to mention the "guardians of peace and justice" had heavy political implications as well.

maybe george didn't realize it back when he wrote the film, but he definitely setup the prequel era then just as much as he did when he started developing the backstory and worldbuilding when writing empire.

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 No.21144

>>21143

>basically magic dna

meant to write magic atoms, my bad.

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