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If this video isn't proof that George knew exactly what he was doing, and the Prequel hating plebs are complete fools, then I don't know what is.
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No.12076
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No.12083
>>10570
>he thinks Obi Wan is supposed to be Symapthetic
The Jedi are the antagonists in the Prequels, with Mace and Obi Wan filling the role of hypocritical assholes.
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No.13281
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No.13350
>>12083
>>10572
you know, i just realized today that 3d clone wars actually helps obi-wan's character in the prequels. if you notice, obi-wan never actually tells anakin that it's not okay to have feelings for padme, and he somewhat seems to encourage it, as he knows anakin is not a by-the-numbers apprentice. then i remembered that in 3d clone wars obi-wan used to fuck the duchess of mandalore or whoever it was, and that actually really helps his character in 2 and 3.
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No.13351
>>13350
True enough. It seems he knows that Anakin is fucking around with Padme and doesn't mind, however he probably wouldn't approve of marriage since he did it in secrecy and didn't tell him about it, and also, jedis fucking around is not uncommon, but marriage is something that absolutely seems to require expulsion from the order since that's probably seen as too much attachment, even though Luke proved otherwise for the most part with Mara.
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No.13352
>>13351
Also, again, if I was Obi-Wan, I'd be pissed off if my adopted younger sibling didn't invite me to his wedding, but then again, would Obi-Wan have understood at all? He didn't seem at all concerned with helping Anakin's mother, despite that Anakin had been having regular visions of her, suggesting something was off.
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No.13353
>>13352
nah, i don't imagine obi-wan would have been pissed, he's definitely someone who had his own thoughts about the council as well, due to his apprenticeship with qui-gon. he would most likely not be happy about the marriage happening, but would do his best to keep it a secret from the order. anakin felt he was doing the right thing by keeping it a secret from everyone.
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No.13355
>>13351
>Luke
Luke got to do what he wanted because he was the founder of an entirely new Order, and deliberately relaxed the Jedi's rules on family and attachment.
>>13353
I wouldn't be surprised if Qui-gon rubbed off on Obi-wan, especially as he aged, but that's not how we've seen him in the films. Whenever Qui-gon was going on about the living Force in TPM, or teaching Obi some other lesson, Obi-wan would reply back with a rote repition of Yoda's teachings. When Anakin and the potential of him being trained came up he agreed with the Council over Obi-wan. In TPM at least he repeatedly showed himself to be a more conservative Jedi, preferring to follow the orthodoxy and the Council's decrees. Now, you could argue that this was the result of him being a by-the-book Padawan who's spent more time in the temple than out, and there might be some validity to that. However, the fact that he was selected to go on to the High Council suggest that he retained a lot of that conservative attitude, even if experience and being out and about in the galaxy eroded some of that.
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No.13362
>>13355
Within the movies it definitely shows that Obi-Wan is by the book and would seriously be pissed at Anakin, within the EU and CW, he definitely seems more like a real entity who would understand Anakin's romance with Padme and at best would try to make sure Anakin reveals it to no one, not even him. Hell maybe that was the case all along.
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No.13364
>>13355
>I wouldn't be surprised if Qui-gon rubbed off on Obi-wan
Oh, Qui-gon certainly did do a lot of rubbing with his young padawan.
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No.13366
>>13364
Wouldn't be surprised if Marvel actually made that a thing soon enough considering all their recent SW comics. Only thing that surprisingly hasn't had any of the usual nu-Marvel/Disney treatment is the Vader comics but that's probably just because they don't want to offend anyone by having Vader kill minorities or have minorities be villains, except for Aphra because she's a strong hotheaded woman who sasses Vader a lot.
Also, BO if you're actually here can you please make the default flag something other than Alderaan? Alderaan deserves better than being a default.
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No.14289
>>1473
Blame RLM the armchair critic
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No.17634
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No.17636
>>17634
So we were screwed no matter what… Great.
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No.17637
>>17636
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. More Force organelles isn't a good idea, sure, but everything else would be definitively /sw/. We'd get a halfway comprehensible plot and believable characters, rather than mystery boxes and ma-rey sues. Also, I feel that George would at least make an effort to accommodate EU fans, rather than actively shit on them.
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No.17638
STOKLASA FUCKED OVER STAR WARS. HE RAPED THE WHOLE COSMOLOGY.
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No.17639
>>17637
True enough, but going deeper than midichlorians is rather… questionable, but I'd still take George over Disney to be sure.
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No.17645
>>8959
>flat-out contradicted by statements from Lucas and Qui-Gon's speech in Phantom Menace.
uhh no
luceno doesn't make mistakes. Lucas was in fact very careful about darth plagueis and delayed it for several years.
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No.17653
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>>17634
>Right out of fucking nowhere George suddenly reveals his ideas for his ST for no reason just as Solo falls and Disney loses control over SW fans
>coincidentally Disney media uses this as an opportunity to mock him and show how much "better" an alternative they are than him as if they summoned him to serve as their sacrificial lamb
<LOOK SEE?! Look at how dumb George is! His ideas are literally garbage! Aren't you glad you have our guys Rian, Kennedy, JJ and Wendig instead? We're the lesser of the two evils, amiright?
This is sickening.
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No.17655
>>17634
>>17653
It's from the new James Cameron interview. Nothing to do with Disney. (literally pure coincidence) Lucas could have probably spilled the beans on his sequels whenever he wanted to. I'm pretty mad I'll never get to see the real 7-9.
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No.17659
>>17655
>(literally pure coincidence)
Yet strangely the timing couldn't be more perfect for Disney and those bastards are taking advantage of it.
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No.17671
>>17659
Sure the timing is great, but you're acting like Disney is throwing George under the bus when it's actually in fact the opposite of that. Lucas' ideas are much better and fundamentally more "canon" than Disney's fanfic trilogy. If anything, the more we know about the real 7-9 the better because this will cause more controversy and generate more distrust toward disney for taking the story into their own hands and effectively ruining the franchise. In a perfect world, all of this would generate more interest in Lucas' vision and result with even casual fans in completely disowning Disney's efforts, further (and ironically) damaging the importance "canon", or rather, meaningless corporate-defined canon. This is an important meme that needs to infect the star wars "fandom", the idea that Lucasfilm is an absolutely meaningless entity without George Lucas calling the shots when it comes to story, licensing, long term plans for the company etc. The "Disney Wars" meme/idea absolutely needs to take off. Disney has already sown the seeds of their destruction with their past blunders and creative decisions, as well as with their disrespect toward Lucas and complete disregard for his original suggestions for 7-9, opting to instead to create retro rehashes and cheap subversion. What we should ideally strive for is to have the "Disney Wars" meme properly infecting the contemporary pop culture climate and leaving a permanent mark, so that "Disney Wars" will forever be known as a perversion of Star Wars–something that's fundamentally different from the real franchise, from the real story. Better yet, the idea that "Disney" is poisonous trash, needs to become basic status quo. The soy meme, the Disney Wars meme, all of this help accelerate the destruction of Disney's public image. I want Disney to become a convenient target of hate. It needs to be so that not only adults and teenagers hate it, but kids too. I think this is all theoretically achieveable, because the mainstream media (the primary shilling platform) is dying and internet memes move at a much faster pace than the rest of society. Disney will fucking burn.
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No.17675
>>17671
>If anything, the more we know about the real 7-9 the better because this will cause more controversy and generate more distrust toward disney for taking the story into their own hands and effectively ruining the franchise.
N-Nonsense! Let's just give Disney© another chance my fellow Star Wars™ fans! Ho Ho! George's ideas are absolutely silly! Unlike the glorious ideas by the creative minds at Disney©! Also remember to buy the toys and other merchandise!
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No.17731
>>17634
I've given Lucas a lot of shit over the years for some of his more questionable decisions, but that final line really breaks my heart.
I'm sorry, George.
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No.17742
>>1473
>why would people hate midichlorians so much
>>1474
>they must be sheep
>>1483
>they must watch youtube
We didn't have Youtube in 1999, mate. Rationalizing the Force into a chemical property is an insult to everything we learned and loved about Star Wars.
It may be completely different from the blasphemies of nuStar Wars, but it's equally bad. Keep prequelposting to /tv/, please: the EU and the prequels are fine when taken with a grain of salt, when you pretend they're saturday morning cartoons. Idolizing that abhorrent shit is not fine, however; and memers believing their own memes are doubly pathetic.
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No.17744
>>17742
Funny how I've never run into a single prequel detractor until a decade after they were released, and people started taking nitpicking for comedic effect as a serious scathing review.
>Rationalizing the Force into a chemical property is an insult to everything we learned and loved about Star Wars.
Not particularly. Having the force potential of an individual be measurable wasn't anything new, and it being heritable had already been established long before. in fact, midichlorians were technically part of canon since 1977, as george explained it to some Eu authors back then Midichlorians literally have no impact on the mystery of the force as all they do is allow life to exist, and serve as a way for the Jedi to find suitable candidates for training. That, and fix a plot hole about why some are force sensitive and others are not.
>memers believing their own memes are doubly pathetic
So, you see why people blinding repeating the plinkett reviews as fact is so hated.
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No.17745
>>17744
This essentially.
>>17742
Except the Force isn't a chemical property. Its still the Force. Midis are just what allow physical beings to interact with them, thus giving you a method of measuring force power more accurately and I think it goes well with sith alchemy. The mysticism is still there and it can never truly be unraveled but there also exists a method to make sure every average schmoe and villain doesn't have the potential of awakening force powers and going on a murder spree/trollfest.
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No.17747
>>17742
It's a science-fiction story you retard.
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No.17748
>>17742
>he thinks anyone unironically enjoying the PT is just some /tv/ shitposter meming
Boy, did you come to the wrong neighborhood.
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No.17750
>>8959
(>muh boooooooooooooooooks)
stay mad imkampfy
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No.17755
>>17744
>Funny how I've never run into a single prequel detractor until a decade after they were released
You are either memeing, or were a teen back then. Because the prequels were crushingly hated from day one, starting with the abysmal Phantom Menace.
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No.17757
>>17748
>and memers believing their own memes are doubly pathetic.
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No.17758
>>1449
>>1447
>In truth, morality is ALMOST NEVER a black and white issue
This. Even Tolkien, who followed a similar mindset to Lucas, encouraged moral ambiguity.
It's ironic (insert Palpatine.jpg) that George thought he made the films black and white, morally, when since then and to this day people argue them and see things differently. Hell, about as many people if not slightly more believe the Empire was the good side, unironically.
People chanting for and pushing black-white narratives don't get the point, and I don't think they realize that not only does morality not function that way, but it doesn't make for a good story. Even way back during the days of morality plays like Lucas was inspired by plays that contained boring cut-and-dry themes were criticized for being boring. Socrates wrote some good shit about the nature of morality and how plays of his day missed the point to appeal to a wide audience and how he feared entertainment would one day be dumbed down so any man could understand it, but it would cause man to stop thinking and TRYING to understand it.
Again, Palpatine.jpg
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No.17759
>>17755
I loved the prequels as a kid, hated them in college, and now as a young adult I love them again. Despite how bad they were in many ways they're not even remotely comparable to how terrible every new film's been.
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No.17760
>>17745
>giving you a method of measuring force power
Mystics don't need any other methods but their own senses, like Vader feeling Luke's strength in the force.
And the point is not WHAT they do, as you can write entire books about the midichlorians inner working and it wouldn't make them any less idiotic. The point is that the OT was 'graceful and elegant' when it came to the force, explaining few and yet suggesting a powerful idea of it: no one had any idea how the force manifested physically in individuals, but it wasn't really important. What mattered is that you were made to believe in the force. Give it a litmus test and you basically admit you didn't get shit about the original appeal of the idea.
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No.17771
>>17760
>Mystics don't need any other methods but their own senses, like Vader feeling Luke's strength in the force.
And midichlorians don't take that away. Though you have to wonder if the imperials ever did blood tests to weed out any Jedi or potential force users.
> no one had any idea how the force manifested physically in individuals, but it wasn't really important
Midichlorians aren't the force. While they make other life possible, they don't really do much else other than conveying the will of the force to Jedi. Those are the only two confirmed attributes, other than higher concentrations being found in more powerful force users. Honestly, things like the Ones and the 5 priestesses have far more of an impact than tiny microbes do. Having something more akin to actual gods in Star Wars takes away the mystery more in my opinion, since the force isn't really set up to have deities explicitly mentioned or anything.
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No.17800
>>17757
Not as pathetic as dismissing any differing opinion with >m-muh memes. Ironic that you mentioned /tv/ though, since you demonstrate exactly the same attitude a lot of faggots over there do.
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No.17810
>>17759
same thing happened with me. I think it started when I was 20 years old and saw ESB again after a long time and thought to myself "wow, this is kinda dull". I also watched attack of the clones later that year and to my surprise I loved every second of it. I felt good for days afterwards too. I even avoided rewatching ROTS because I was in such a good mood. I think ESB being the best star wars movie is nothing but a shitty gen X meme retards like to parrot.
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No.17818
>>17759
>>17810
Went through the same phases except middle school was my phase of prequel hate memeing, alongside other cancerous behavior like following the edgy New Atheist movement and listening to leftists.
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No.23658
>>17818
In highschool I had the edgy "le prequels r bad" phase too. Then I rewatched them recently and realized how good they actually are.
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No.23659
>>5874
Yeah, but it was the whole show and not just snippets. Anyone have a torrent?
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No.26635
>>17634
Was George punishing us by selling to Disney?
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No.26651
>>26635
Yes. He made that quite clear early on that he did it out of frustration towards the masses like RLM fags who never shut up about the prequels. It was only after TFA came out that George was full of regret.
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No.26901
>>1619
They all look so cute!!!
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No.26902
>>26651
RLM fags got exactly what they wanted too, Mike said JJ should have directed it in Plinket's review and that's what happened.
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No.26904
>>26902
And they'll be kissing JJ's ass again when IX comes out no matter how bad it is. They shat on Rogue One for the same reasons they loved TFA, and then it became clear that their love for TFA was based solely on their boner for JJ.
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No.26924
>>8959
>It isn't canon
yes it is
>it's flat-out contradicted by statements from Lucas and Qui-Gon's speech in Phantom Menace
no it isn't
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No.26929
>>26902
It's blatantly obvious that Disney studied those videos like a bible, because they thought that was how they would get "the fans" onboard.
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No.26930
>>17653
I don't even think the Whills are a bad idea. It's a bit out there, sure, but it kind of sounds like a JRPG endgame where the protagonists now have to take on god-like forces and the structure of the universe itself, and that could have been cool. At least it's something new for Star Wars.
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No.26937
>>26930
Theyre not meant to be antagonistic. We've seen Whills before in Clone Wars, as the four force ladies were implied to be Avatars of the Whills. The Whills are basically sages in the EU who chronicle the history of the galaxy. At best, a villain would have to be a Whills who rebelled and was exiled from its home dimension for its selfish desires since it was influenced by the negative aspects of humanity, thus resulting in it being the truest incarnation of the Dark Side, like The Entity mentioned in SWTOR who is said to be the Dark Side itself. Would match up with the female force priestesses we saw in Filoni's cartoon (despite how much I hated their concept).
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