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Previous thread is at bumplimit >>25
Archive of it: https://archive.is/17d7I
Thread basically is for discussion of ships in particular ones that are deemed "comfy"
How is anon with his fan design coming along? That actually was pretty nice considering most fan ships are to be frank, godawful trash.
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f16baf No.23520
Is there any ships that cater to /d/egenerates?
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74f288 No.24349
been working on a sane structuring of Starfleet using the core established ship classes seen on screen. Going to extrapolate from there with the next charts. This timeline just shows where the classes sit relative to one another in inception and end-of-life using very conservative dates. Doesn't speak to when they stopped building them, since that would be conjecture (but i may try to tackle it further down the line), just the overall service-period of the class. I also took liberties with a few details like Oberth and Ambassador-class launch and Constitution-class final retirement.
Also, the class designations are mostly my own assumptions. Yellow are cruisers/heavy cruisers, Purple are light cruisers, Red are frigates, Green are "corvettes" (for lack of another term).
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d1ad59 No.25445
>>12863
I think the issue comes from the fact that their designs seem to focus around from their initial logo which coincides along my theory that whoever came up with the Cardassians really did not put any actual thought into them outside of needing a bad guy
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d1ad59 No.25446
however my thoughts on the matter is that they look like clunky stingrays and so that's what they should be designed around.
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f82d5a No.25562
>>24349
Constellation is a Connie replacement though?
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ede66a No.25611
>>25562
That was already and always Excelsior. Most likely, that Constellation detail is an artifact leftover from when Stargazer was supposed to be a Constitution-class, then quickly changed to something else. Something tells me someone on the writing or art staff really wanted it to be the missing-link heavy cruiser: The Ambassador-class ship, but was overruled for the chance to introduce a new, never-before-seen configuration - or maybe there was just some confusion. So, maybe the "replacement" bit stuck around even though its appearance strongly implies significantly different mission capabilities.
Im not classifying it the same as Connie-Excelsior-Ambassador-Galaxy, which are heavy cruisers. Eventually, i spun-off Miranda and Constellation as two separate designations: light cruiser and medium cruiser. I think Constellation got introduced circa 2260 along with Miranda and before Excelsior. So, since this is a new ship designation, in a sense it does "replace" Constitution-class in some ways, since it's also a cruiser.. it's just not a direct replacement. It and the "light cruisers" may also be a "destroyer" or a "battlecruiser" under certain configurations… i havent gotten that far in my autism. I realized i had the opportunity to conceptualize a few missing ships and I got distracted doing that.
Here is a screenshot of one of the revised charts, expanded showing the medium cruisers. The other ship type timelines are collapsed. As you can see from the light blue, there is a lot of "unknown" ships. Some of those are presumably major refits, but there are probably several entirely new ships. If I ever finish it, I will remake it in a proper graphics program. I was just using a dedicated "timeline" app meant for brainstorming.
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12ca38 No.25644
>>22224
That looks more like a Reman ship or post-Nemesis Romulan design than something you'd see the Klingons make. then again STD "klingons" are weird goblin things like the Remans were which is weird too, since even the Abrams films got the klingons looking alright under those helmets
>>22997
Those oddball TOS-era ships are breddy good, Found some PDFs on my HDD of them too.
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12ca38 No.25645
Apparently I can't post PDFs, so have the superior USS Discovery I found in one of them.
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d2a369 No.25647
>>22234
>some WarHammer shit
You wish STD had anything half as palatable as space churches.
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483c3a No.25685
>>25645
>It has a literal greenhouse on the back
I am not even sure what to make of this?
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2b49ec No.25686
>>25644
Aren't a few of these considered canon or at least semi-canon?
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245c12 No.25689
>>25611
I think you run the assumption that ships remain the same class over time. Miranda for example goes from being a Cruiser to being considered a mere Frigate by DS9.
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12ca38 No.25704
>>25685
According to the PDF, it's the logical continuation of the Galaxy class being designed to house families as well as crew.
The name of the PDF I'm pulling this from is ASDB - Star Fleet Prototype, just in case you want to try grabbing it yourself. I've got a 1 gig folder from years ago, so I may post a link to an upload when my internet isn't dog slow.
>>25686
Yeah, I think the TOS blu-rays had either the Huron or Cargo drone put in as a CGI model in a couple of episodes.
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27e501 No.25708
>>25704
>Cargo Drone
Actually called the Antares Class these days and yes added in episodes. There's quite a few ships also from Starfleet Battles that got added into canon albeit a fair number of them as drawings which you see on the ship's computers typically when they look up the library on TNG.
I also probably should update >>11518 at somepoint including making a rational ship designation.
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27e501 No.25713
Are you niggers ready to boldy go where no autism has gone before?
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a76ce7 No.25728
>>25689
yeah, i am indeed working on that assumption. I don't trust what the shows and films have to say about ship type designations. They're notoriously all over the place. While I could see a fluctuating scheme as useful to reconcile these disparate references - and as possibly being more realistic - in this case i'm already ignoring some canon, so i've already crossed the rubicon so to speak. Might as well visualize something more rational and straightforward. Instead of changing ship type designations at this point, i'm just starting with cruisers and adding more types over time. The chart has changed already since i posted those, though. I'm not wedded to any idea of these yet.
>>25645
>>25704
I like that it at least has a neck. To me, it is far more Trek-like than those awful vertically, squashed then horizonally-stretched post-TNG designs. That said, it looks more like one of those Ambassador refits that you see every now and then.
>>25708
>I also probably should update >>11518 at somepoint including making a rational ship designation.
please do. i would like other ideas to consider.
>>25713
?
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0f2005 No.25732
Illogical humans. Still using nacelles instead of superior warp rings. When will you savages learn? smh
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12ca38 No.25740
>>25728
I have to admit I like the Sovereign and Intrepid classes, since they at least follow the design language for the nacelles- and it could be argued that they're a logical evolution from how TNG ships look. Though it is a shame most of those newer designs don't really have much of a neck.
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9fe456 No.25752
>>25732
the sled was a better looking design.
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9fe456 No.25753
>>25740
>Don't have much of a neck.
Necks are vastly overrated
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27858d No.25758
>>25732
That's actually one single nacelle, it's just curved on itself to provide superior handling at warp speed than other single nacelle ships.
Double nacelles are a performance demon, they take a lot more dilithium though.
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1c833e No.25760
>>25740
Sovereign class is pretty meh. While I'm normally fond of the more classic anesthetic over Nu-trek, I can't help but like the Regent-class refit of the Sovereign from STO.
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27e501 No.25762
>>25728
>?
I thought it was self explanatory?
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201172 No.25803
>>25758
>single nacelles
>vulcan technology
admit it, anon. some drawfag just thought it would look cool, but didnt do xir's homework. that's not a real star trek ship. the warp rings or whatever are cool, i guess, but vulcans and humans share technology. I could see it as a single experimental ship, but it makes for a bad creative decision if you're looking to make the vulcan ships distinctive. sternbach made a model for the vulcan cruisers for TNG that appeared to use curved nacelles integrated into an eye-shaped ring-like structure (fantastic idea, btw). Then, for ENT i guess the other faggots saw a "ring" in that somehow i guess… but it's more like the romulan cruisers, aesthetically.
vulcans are the race of based sledships as far as i'm concerned (which informs the federation's hard-on for detachable hulls. It probably makes sense to have it be detachable if you are a fan of atmospheric and good health.
>>25762
ok… thanks for sharing your template, i guess? but i dont find those arbitrary era distinctions helpful, but i might could use those cutouts
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201172 No.25804
>>25803
*atmospheric re-entry and good health
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27e501 No.25807
>>25803
The era distinctions were more or less to poke holes of how ship roles change over time but that was part of a long forgotten autismal discussion.
In hindsight though I see three issues with my chart idea.
1) I've bitten off far more than I can chew, there's fuckloads of ships to add and these are all canon which I have selected of which I am actually missing a huge chunk even in the ENT era.
2) I really should have started with the Klingons because their fleet lineup is more interesting and I think we are all sick to death of Fedshit. Plus it would be more manageable.
3) Template may be overly complicated and not that ideal of all things considering what we are currently discussing. I've got an idea for a better chart but my drawfag talents are overall a bit limited.
I'm going to give this a complete rethink and I will get some cutouts going.
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e021bc No.25809
>>25803
>that's not a real star trek ship.
I realized after the fact that i'm being a bit overly-critical here. It's not the worst ship and warp rings or whatever aren't unheard of or terribly unaesthetic. You can work with them in canon (by making them bisected or quadrisected, for instance) and they might be helpful in my fanfic about the Bird of Prey's warp nacelles being integrated into the wings. It's just that I think they look too aesthetic and alien for the time period. Vulcan ship's shouldn't be that different from Starfleet, period to period, so the vulcan ring-powered ships should be very early
>>25807
>I've bitten off far more than I can chew, there's fuckloads of ships to add and these are all canon
That's why I started from scratch with figuring-out the ship type designations first and a rough time table for their introduction / refresh and then started fitting the existing ships into those slots. If some minor ships get left-out, i dont care because head canon. If ships get changed somewhat, i don't care because head canon.
>I've got an idea for a better chart but my drawfag talents are overall a bit limited. I'm going to give this a complete rethink and I will get some cutouts going.
I'm not a drawfag either and have started on some cuts, but first i had to find a comprehensive set of charts that all appear to be scaled properly and high res. I did a few using these for my New Orleans-class fix, but ideally we would have top, front, and rear view to go with sideview. Do you have better ship graphics?
We should cut from the same charts to save time and we could just post them here even though doing cuts on these is super easy by just removing the white while masking the bits on the ship
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27e501 No.25878
>>25809
>Cutouts
The following I am posting are models I like to use that contain canon ships.
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27e501 No.25879
>>25878
It contains a fair amount of ships but it sadly doesn't contain all cannon ships.
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27e501 No.25880
>>25879
Which is why I like to supplement it with this which contains some of the extra ones but also sadly contains a fair amount of non-canon shit so you must know what is and isn't canon.
Funny enough this is a backup image I use since at some point I have seemed to misplaced the better version I was using. I will dig for it but no promises.
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c65e1f No.25888
>>25878
>>25879
>>25880
those have some that might be useful. Sadly, they're nowhere near to scale and that's why i was going with the ones i posted above. Yeah, there is a lot of non-canon autism and many that appear to be identical or very similar, but i just filter those… or grab bits that i like for the alterations that i'm making. I'll post the revised New Orleans-class that i did when i find it. I just wish he did top, front, and rear views.
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c65e1f No.25889
(cont.) i downloaded all of this faggot's charts that i could find, though since at least the first set i posted were scaled correctly. not sure about these others.
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27e501 No.25907
>>25888
>>25889
That's realtively close to the chart I had but not quite the same. Thing about scaling is that even with canon ships scaling is all over the place and tbh correct scaling was not my priority when making a chart first time around. Making sure it fits.
Sometimes I wonder where all these non-canon ship designs come from because most are retarded kitbashes that look fugly as fuck. Think the only non-canon ships I would ever consider canon personally would be the ships that appeared in Klingon Academy; partly because the ships actually have some thought put into their design, mostly because that game is far too awesome not to be considered canon.
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d0f415 No.25929
>>25907
>Sometimes I wonder where all these non-canon ship designs come from because most are retarded kitbashes that look fugly as fuck.
Some of them are from the Starfleet Battles tabletop games and the various pen-and-paper RPGs. Most of them exist in that fuzzy area between TOS and TMP, where nobody really knew where the franchise was going and each of the licensed properties was out doing its own thing.
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1a491b No.25934
>>25929
>2nd image
Why does that ship have breasts?
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afb21e No.25936
>>23374
That's ugly… Did it even appear on the show? It looks like a mashup of Borg and Warhammer architecture.
The nuFed ships are ugly too. They all have the same blocky nacelles like the Darkness from the JJ movie.
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022c93 No.25937
>>25936
They look like they belong on STO.
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61f12a No.25954
>>25937
I kind of like the Europa, but then again I have a Miranda fetish. If the top nacelles where actually even with the bottom set the design would be fine even if the saucer looks like someone took strips out of it.
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dcdd5a No.25955
>>25954
>Miranda fetish
it's a shit looking ship tbh all these tiny clustered up treks are.
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afb21e No.25956
>>25954
The weird stairs in front of the top nacelles reminds me of those things on the Valkyrie class.
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dcdd5a No.25958
>>25956
I disdain for those randomly placed turrets
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e146ab No.25961
>>25959
Turret placement is way too navel ship based, it falls into the same trap most sci fi ships fall into where their turrets would only make sense in a mostly 2d environment where an attacker wouldn't possibly be attacking stright above or below you. Also the complete lack of proper forward and aft facing turrets aside from those dumbass useless things around the top dome thing is painful.
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dcdd5a No.25962
>>25961
I don't mind turrets like that but only at the very least they're aesthetically pleasing
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da43a6 No.25968
>>25954
>a Mirandafag likes STD's "Europa"
I'll grant that it does one thing right in that it has a deflector dish integrated into the saucer. This was never fixed with the actual Miranda-class ship, which apparently is so yolo that it has none at all. Some TOS pre-refit Miranda concepts give it a dish on an arm sticking out the bottom of the saucer and others put a dish in the weapons pod, but in canon, it was never addressed.
Neither did Constellation, to be fair, but it's an easier fix since it has a tall saucer and a big door in the front that can be easily retconned to be a dish (same goes for Oberth. Doing that with the thin saucer of Miranda looks cluttered imho, but necessary. Replacing the torps in the weapons pod with the deflector means that pod becomes standard (and the torps probably get moved to those weird 'docking ports' in the saucer that need to be torps anyway). I cannot in good conscience abide this course of action though because i dont believe in something that important being so vulnerable for no reason, so in my head canon the Miranda has a Europa-like saucer deflector. I have to now accept that I agree with STD on some things.
Of course, there is the lampshade option of "not every type of starship needs a dish" and that other treknobabble systems could be at work which is also supported by the fact that a lot of alien ships appear to lack deflector dishes. I don't mind not knowing how Borg ships work, though. I'm ok with it being mysterious. This bugs me with Starfleet, though, and other alien ships that use the same basic tech (Vulcans, Klingons, etc.).
As from these other >>25936 ugly, jagged, angular, brutalist ship designs, I believe they're what you get when you take someone with no soul who has never seen Star Trek, feed them tons of adderal, and explain to them what a starship is supposed to look like. I dont even like the Enterprise-E for the reason that it just looks too "self-aware" if that makes any sense. It's all very cynical. It looks like it's trying to be a "cool starship". I sincerely believe that the people who make this shit have no souls or are just on the wrong drugs. They're just robots who have been makign the same shit for 20 years because someone decided that angular, elongated, and tapered looked best in HD and made for exciting promotional still shots.
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6603d8 No.25972
>>25936
>The U.S.S. Yeager – Because I really wanted to design the next X-Wing but got stuck working on the wrong franchise.
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21a297 No.25981
>>25968
To answer your whole post in one sentence.
Roddenberry was full of shit at times
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71238e No.25999
>>25981
>effort post btfo
your truth bomb is a dud, though. GRod was not responsible for Miranda as he was all but completely shut out of Wrath of Khan production in the wake of TMP.
nice meme though
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0531a2 No.26000
>>25968
>>25999
They were doing things like the Miranda before Wrath of Khan. There was no real statement that ships should have visible deflector dishes.
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27e501 No.26146
>>25968
There's an old theory read bullshit that a ship with a deflector dish was capable of higher warp speeds or at least maintaining said speeds but it was not necessary.
Same how more warp nacelles = more power.
Also the Miranda does have a deflector dish it's in the saucer but a very small one
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3453bf No.33667
>>25644
IMO The Bonaventure is the only reason TAS shouldn't be canon.
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