/strek/ - Star Trek

>>3803

nice, a Romulan thread.

It's a pity really despite them showing up fairly often in TNG and DS9 we never really learn that much about them. Funnily enough Nemesis of all sources gives us a brief view of their governemnt and dealings with their neighbouring race (The Remans aka ugly vampires). It's only sad the movie was a mess, it would've been interesting to have a full on Romulan villain with some faction of the race deciding to lean towards good relations with the Federation (we saw traces of the latter, but more could've been done. Spock didn't just shit around there for years without some results).

>Just how powerful are the Romulans really?

despite their ships being large and threatening looking with the great advantage of a cloaking device, I never felt they had an edge in a space battle. They seemed to always consider that their back-up plan, with plan A being some sneaky deceitful thing. Which reminds me how much I wished there were more decent Romulans in Star Trek. Too often I wondered why Picard even trusted these guys not to fuck him over. But that's also somewhat admirable, the fact that they were very sure of their decisions going according to plan.

ITT, Dukat LARPs as a Romulan, you never saw much of the Romulans because they're a ghost faction conjured up by the Cardassians.

>>3805

There was supposed to be a Romulan regular on DS9 to operate the Defiant's cloak but she sort of disappeared.

Looked up some lore funny enough about the Romulan ships from Nemesis, apparently the Dominion War really changed their design policy and they ended up dropping powerful Plasma Torpedoes for weaker but far less power consuming Photon Torpedoes in order to have faster ships that could endure longer engagements against swarms of smaller craft.

I kind of prefered the Roman design they had going in TOS. I don't know why they dropped the martial aspect they were supposed to have. They went from martial old-style Vulcans to sneaky Jews because "lolcloaking"

>>3808

>There was supposed to be a Romulan regular on DS9 to operate the Defiant's cloak but she sort of disappeared.

They were also suppose to goto the Gamma quadrant to use the cloak, but rarely did, so they just decided well hell with the rules, if Sisko can sucker the Romulans into a war, I guess we can use their cloak whenever and break our own Federation peace policies. Who wrote this shit Federation can't have cloaks deal? Sounds like Obama's nuke deal with Iran, pozzed as fuck.

>>3803

They're in an awkward position to write about on a TV show without dedicating a season or more to them. it seems to me like they're kind of just lurking and waiting for an opening to start a war (we get a few examples of this in TNG don't care to look up eps). Obviously they'd need a pretty big advantage to stand a chance against the alliance, they would probably need to be set up with some kind of new faction as an ally. Then you throw on top of that the dissent within the population as well as the military. The romulans are rife with story opportunity, but it would take serious investment.

I think we all would've really liked to see some actual development rather than the repetitive "you foiled us again, picard" from TNG but there's simply too much to pack into a two-parter I think. Maybe if they made a new show that was all about some sort of conflict with the romulans that showed us a bit of their culture as well and -

>discovery

ok

>>3827

>Romulans back down as soon as Klingons declare support for the Federation

Kek, what's the bet it was the Klingons who made it so the Federation couldn't develop cloaking technology just so that they could have more sport in a potential war with the Romulans?

>>3803

<It always seemed they were all show but no performance

>implying there aren't over 100,000 Romulan bio-sculpted espionage agents and sleeper cells throughout the Federation

>>3845

Now that you mention the Klingons, I've always wondered how they managed to square away the cloaking devices with honor. Seems kind of dishonorable to hide from one's enemy.

>>3893

Honor is important but pragmatism wins wars.

>>3827

>>3892

Watched that episode just a few hours ago. Spock had some massive restraint not to dick her. I bet if Kirk was in his place he could've solved the whole thing with a good dicking right there.

The romulans make for pretty good antagonists in TOS, the few times they appear

>>3893

Klingons often use them like as how a hunter would sneak up on their prey and even then most of the time when they reach a target they tend to take it off and announce themselves before striking. Once the Klingons decloak they rarely if ever put it back on unless it's part of their tactic to take on a stronger opponent.

>>3903

>>there are black Vulcans, but no black Romulans

how the fuck have i never noticed that

>What do you guys think? Is it the Romulans or Cardassians that have more similarities to /pol/?

cardassians were willing to snu snu the bajorans, /pol/ won't admit it but they would too

>>3903

iirc there was a black Romulan once on TNG. I forget what episode tho, but I distinctly remember it being a scene where Picard was talking to him on the Bridge through the viewscreen (yeah, yeah, not very descriptive, but that's all I got).

>>3911

I'm watching DS9 now, and the episode I'm watching has Sisko talking to a black Romulan.

>>3912

Is it that greasy fat fuck who looks like he wants to fuck him? Or was that the ST:TNG one?

>>3911

That's the one with the phased cloaking device IIRC.

>>3932

Nah, it was a young woman, not a fat fuck.

>>3803

Let me be clear on this.

I ignore both Nemesis and the reboot for the sake of the following post. I also ignore every territorial map that shows the Romulan Star Empire as nearly encircled or tiny or such. For me, its always been a little silly to suggest that. To me, the RSEs borders arent even known outside of the Klingon and Federation borders.

Romulans strike me as easily the most dangerous adversary of the Federation, outside of OCP like the Borg and such. The reason being is that they were establishing and building their empire possibly before any of the other major powers were around, and while portrayed as overly emotional, actually seem as logical or more so than the Vulcans. Remember, the Vulcans are people who had to rebuild a planet while the Romulans had interstellar capability. There is a story there. Possibly of Alien Augments….

Anyways, Romulus' relation to the other Alpha Quadrant power has always been similar to Rome's relationship to the Middle East. That while it could have maybe conquered it at one point in time, it has other shit taking up all its time. In fact, the behavior of Federation vs Klingons was always portrayed as a potentially devastating war that the Federation was otherwise most likely to win. To be avoided sure, but well….Kirk, Picard….both seemed genuinely…terrified of war with Romulus. Like they just didn't know or have any real idea how large it was. And the Romulans were always desperate for some cheap win, something to just address the balance, just so they didn't have to hold down such a large garrison on that side of the Empire.

Because it was not their main point of interest.

And the Romulans also seem like they might be more coldly logical regarding certain other things. Like population. See, Romulans and Klingons both live for over two hundred years, Romulans iirc might even live for centuries, and yet both reach maturity before their 50th birthday and maintain their mental faculties for a long time.

Which means for both of them, they get far more out of the geniuses than we do.

So imagine a Romulan Law dictating a minimum of just three children of certain people. Or even requesting potentially brilliant scientists have five or a dozen. So what if they spend 30 years having and raising children, lowering their productivity for that time(or not)?

They have 150 years left to go. And a full century of that in the prime of their lives. Humans have to choose between kids and career many times, because we only have what, 30 years? Romulans have more than triple the time at their peak, and even more later on.

So while the Vulcans are ascetics and the Klingons exist by pure authorial fiat, their doesn't seem to be a reason why the Romulans wouldn't exploit this.

Or even exploit the harvesting of Eggs and Sperm because muh spehss femineminems.

So the Federation could very well be facing an empire with a competitively sized population and resources in Romulus. And they don't know.

>>4019

>So the Federation could very well be facing an empire with a competitively sized population and resources in Romulus. And they don't know.

THAT…would make an amazing theatrical movie trilogy. Star Trek: War.

>>4100

Did he eat another Romulan?

>>4184

Forgot he was in Enterprise as well.

>>4019

Pretty good points there. The Romulan Star Empire has got to be pretty damn big when you think about it. For one thing, we only ever see Romulan ships either in the neutral zone, or somewhat inside of Federation space. We never see the full extent of what's beyond that border, the only exception being Nemesis, but seriously, fuck Nemesis. Other than that, there's no solid data on Romulan space. How far does it go? How many Romulans are there? What other species are in their service? What research do they conduct? What technology are they developing? No one in the Federation knows, not even Section 31.

So in reality, dealing with the RSE is like seeing a snake slither out of a pitch black cave. You could get bitten, or you may scare the snake away, but entering the cave is a gamble that can (and most likely will) cost you your life.

>>4208

>Why did Spock's dad join the Romulan military and attack the Federation?

>implying the Romulans are more than a LARPing exercise

Picard, Data, Spock, Spock's Dad, Tasha Yar, Deanna Troi, Dukat (OP's pic) all LAPR'd in episodes as Romulans, it's all bullshit, a shadow threat to justify awarding military contracts to (((Lockheed Martin))) for more Galaxy class cruisers.

>>3891

>Implying that Star Fleet, the Klingon Empire, the Cardassian Union, and the Borg aren't all Tal Shiar false flags slowly working against the followers of Surak.

>>4209

>a shadow threat to justify awarding military contracts to (((Lockheed Martin))) for more Galaxy class cruisers

Top kek, I could actually picture this being somewhat canon.

>>4110

That third bitch…man she was hot. All normal and logical and everything…..then BAM gib a shitload of mother asskicking plox, i has spoonheads to murder.

And she seemed like she might entertain Quarks…offer.

>>4208

>>4216

Was the Romulan War an elaborate conspiracy? No Romulans were ever actually seen during the entire conflict.

>>4290

It was a Vulcan false-flag so they could manipulate the Humans into founding the UFP and saddle them with the pig-aliens in order to stifle natural Human expansion and technological advancement.

>>4290

>No Romulans were ever actually seen during the entire conflict.

Yeah, that always seemed implausible to me and done strictly to cause friction between Spock and the crew for that episode. Even if the Romulans only made contact via audio, back then, surely the Feds would have seen their bodies pouring out of holes in their ships.

>>4294

>It was a Vulcan false-flag so they could manipulate the Humans into founding the UFP and saddle them with the pig-aliens in order to stifle natural Human expansion and technological advancement.

We joke about /poltrek/ around here, but it's sometimes quite frightening how easily we can strip Star Trek down to CY+2 standards of manipulation.

>>4338

I agree. It's also one of the things I think Enterprise handled brilliantly, whether it was the minefield where the T'varo just showed up to tell the NX to bugger off or the later episodes with the Romulans using drone ships, the length that they went through to keep Romulans hidden from the eyes of Starfleet were a great dedication to what was ultimately a throw-away line.

What I find funny is that the Vulcans basically mind killed themselves in order to control their violent emotions. Their whole culture is built around suppressing their emotions. The Romulans weren't down with that bullshit so they fucked off and made their own civilization, and clearly found a balance that vulcans weren't able to or willing to.

>>4343

Enterprise was going to have the Earth-Romulan War in it which we never got sadly.

>>4339

It's because most anons who like Star Trek here aren't autistic and can actually see the hidden implications.

>>4347

Romulans basically got rid of their telepathic abilities to control it.

>>4349

>Romulans basically got rid of their telepathic abilities to control it.

I actually didn't think of that.

>>4349

>Enterprise was going to have the Earth-Romulan War in it which we never got sadly.

Would have been fucking hard to pull off in any kind of halfway interesting way, seeing as noone even knew what a Rommie even looked like by the time of TOS.

It would just have been cloaked ships tossing plasma torpedo's at the feddies for 3 seasons…

>>4349

>Romulans basically got rid of their telepathic abilities to control it.

and actually became infinitely more stable as a result. When was the last time you hard about a Romulan going full Pon farr?

>>4339

>/poltrek/

Might be outing myself as a newfag here, but that actually sounds fascinating, what sort of thing are we talking about there?

>>4356

I know what /pol/ is, just interested in what, specifically, /poltrek/ boils down to.

>Betazoids are cultural marxists?

>There is an interplanetary Tal Shiar plot to subvert free planets everywhere?

>The Grand Nagus is secretly controlling the federation with debts in gold pressed latinum?

>Gas the Vulcans, species war now?

>We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Cardassian children?

>>4353

Except Romulans didn't have cloaks nor Plasma Torpedoes during the Earth-Romulan War?

>>4358

Well, how would YOU keep your Rommies unseen at all times if they can't just go invisible?

>>4361

Well, they had the technology to instantly disguise their ships (or at least that prototype drone ship) as another ship. Maybe they used that for sneak attacks?

>>4361

Wearing paperbags over their heads and ships :^)

>>4358

I'm certain that they did in ENT, that the warbird that came to chase away the NX came out of cloak before firing at them

>>4368

It did.

>>4368

Writers then came out and said "Oh shit, we forgot they didn't have cloaks yet!" and then made something up on the spot about them being Tal Shiar vessels.

>>4339

>>4294

Except thats fucking stupid. As we saw, humans were weak shit and Earth was only chosen because it was neutral ground . Humans were the Vulcan's Pets, who ended up being on very good terms with the Andorians, up to and including being a neutral party at negotiations. And on not so bad terms with the Tellarites.

The earky Federation had humans as a portected pet species who everyone was ok with, but with Vulcans, Andoria and the Tellarites providing the mjaority of the muscle and firepower.

For fucks sake, Earth only had two ships capable of Warp five while the other three had fleets capable of Warp 7.

Curbing natural human expansion? The fuck? The Vulcans, if anything, made us a protectorate and guaranteed our security. Archer was an ungrateful shit.

>>4349

No, the Vulcans added in telepathic abilities

>>4355

>Humanity's increasingly dominant presence in the area

>>Knows that a direct conflict would leave the planet Vulcan devastated due to its proximity to Earth

You forgot the part where STE Vulcan could shitwreck Earth with next to no effort anyways.

>>4473

Vulcans knew the dangers out there, Humanity was more of a toddler playing with fire.

>>4492

We were the toddler who plays with fire, burns the whole fucking house down and rebuilds it with lego into a fully functioning mansion.

>>3904

>cardassians were willing to snu snu the bajorans, /pol/ won't admit it but they would too

everyone on /pol/ faps to negresses

>>4540

I thought that Bajor was space Israel rather than space Africa.

>>4592

Space Africa is Pakled space.

>>4110

Whenever we see Vulcan, it's this bitterly hot desert planet. What I always wondered is if there are black Vulcans, does that mean there's an even hotter continent somewhere on the planet?

>>3803

>Just how powerful are the Romulans really?

They are the only branch of pre-war Vulcan Civilization that remains unbroken.

Think about this. Both Vulcans and Klingons have been interstellar for millennia, but both lost that capability and had to rebuild. And during that, the Romulans are what the Klingons were dealing with at the time.

Romulans were the only group of Vulcans to retain interstellar capacity during the war that burnt their homeworld down and they just left.

Everything after that was a small group of Romulans having to rebuild their civilization lightyears from home, while fighting other interstellar species, possibly subjugating them for extra labor.

I'd wager that a proper border between the Romulans and Federation showing a sharp lin with blurry edges, denoting Romulan expansion just to keep the Federation from surrounding them. It would also show the Romulan empire expanding deep behind with blurry and unknown edges. Maybe the Klingons are surrounded by the Federation, because they apparently can't expand without bumping into someone we already know about.

But the Romulans? They have had time, lots and lots of time, and they never seem to have forces to spare, while causing much concern for the Federation. No one who discusses the Romulans in the Federation has the air of discussing a surrounded enemy, no, they have the air of discussing someone that is known to be highly dangerous but is of unknown strength.

And TOS implied they owned the Beta Quadrant,.

At the least, they must have a large population by now, higher than Surakian Vulcans and halfbreeds, its been centuries and they have long lives, and just a mandatory 4 children per marriage or female would produce a continous and strong growth. In fact, I'd imagine that before they found and fully tamed and settled Romulus, the Child policy was strict, and largely centered around managing genetic defects from inbreeding and resource consumption.

And afterwards, with manpower shortages everywhere but with medical resources more plentiful, changing the law and enforcing it just as strictly, could begin correcting that issue. And the best thing? They live long lives, so by proportion, they lose much less of their best years towards raising children than humans.

In fact, we know that Vulcans tend towards large families themselves when they have them, another reason losing Vulcan shouldn't be a major injury to the species.

Romulus is known and depicted as a tyrannical place anyways. So a large population with a large amount of resources isn't out of the question. Neither is the majority of Romulan military commitment being occupation and fighting other powers.

>>3893

That's the kind of childlike concept of honor that screams of a whiny kid losing at a card game because he sucked.

The only crazy part about Star Trek Enterprise is that Earth built an entire empire with basically 1 ship, Enterprise. The Romulans were scared of 1 ship basically.

>>12460

I find that is more the case due to bad writing. It is shown that Earth has more ships than the NX Class but the NX is their only Warp 5 capable ship. The Romulans are not really scared of the NX or even Earth for that matter, but they are scared of the Tellarites, Vulcans and Andorians suddenly getting along since they had plans to takeover that region eventually once the other powers had destroyed one another. The Enterprise was essentially foiling their plans to destablize the sector and while the Romulans at this stage would have no problem conquering Earth they would very likely have their shit pushed in by the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites who would not sit back and watch.

>>12460

>The only crazy part about Mongolian Empire is that the mongol khanate built an entire empire with one leader, Temujin. The Chinese were scared of one person basically.

>>12486

I don't think they had plans for anything like that, it was just generally alarming for those powers to not be fighting each other and the Klingons.

>>12486

>Earth has other ships

I imagine NX is such a leap in technology those others ships are obsolete. Starfleet keeps the smaller ships around probably so they actually have a fleet. I imagine NX is a design leap like the dreadnought was.

>>12525

It was heavily hinted at during Season 4 that was the case.

>>12539

>I imagine NX is a design leap like the dreadnought was.

I think that's a good analogy. NX Class was essentially a technological testbed. If Enterprise continued it was going to get upgraded heavily to the point it was transformed from being "Dora's first Explorer" to a "Right we're pissed at everyone pushing us around, we're turning this pile of bolts into a Battlecruiser!"

>>12549

That triggers me. Mean seriously it's like they are slapping on random crap onto a ship and thinking it fits? It's kitbashes all over again.

>>3893

Have you ever hunted before?

I think we are getting raided by Romulan Hackers at the moment considering the spambots making threads.

>>4019

If I was to write a star trek show it would be about the Romulan War. A small ship of the federation is attacked on a menial survey along an asteroid or something, causing the captain and his crew to go on a fucking rampage through the Romulan Star Empire. Basically VOY crossed with ENT, but focused on the federations ideals and the best species, the Romulans.

>>14884

Federation wasn't around during the Earth-Romulan War.

The Earth-Romulan War did however lead to the formation of the Federation.

Are Romulans just Vulcan-Cardassian hybrids?

>>15519

No. They are Space East Germany

>>3826

>I think we all would've really liked to see some actual development rather than the repetitive "you foiled us again, picard" from TNG but there's simply too much to pack into a two-parter I think. Maybe if they made a new show that was all about some sort of conflict with the romulans that showed us a bit of their culture as well and -

Supposedly Enterprise Season 5 would have given us that with the Earh-Romulan war.

>>4477

It's a question of rate of advancement rather than state of advancement. Vulcans were farther along than humans, but Earth managed to hit Warp 5 less than a century after figuring out Warp, something which took the Vulcans hundreds of years to master. Vulcans were concerned about humanity overtaking them even if it hadn't quite happened yet.

Romulans are a result of Vulcans being lazy shits.

>>15853

I think the thing is, and I think it was mentioned at some point, is that Vulcans tend to be quite complacent, they don't strive for any sort of advancement, they get something that works, does the job effectively and they're quite happy to stick with it instead of expending the effort (and failures) to make something better.

>>15853

It took Vulcans centuries to do it because they were pre-occupied with other shit. Like having a civil war, and building up bad blood with nearly every species they came in contact with.

>>17001

Why do Vulcans piss everyone off? Is it autism?

>>17210

Who's the teacher though?

>>17215

Keiko

>>17026

>>17210

You all have forgotten that Vulcans weren't always super logic obsessed. They used to be bipolar assholes with psychic powers and psychic technology powerful enough to compete with Warp Capable Warships in destructive capacity.

And the Klingons traveled the stars thousands of years before the modern Klingon Empire as it is known.

Its extremely likely that the Vulcans were involved in an Interstellar Bronze Age Collapse type situation during their civil war. Think about it. The Romulan flag was on the world during Surak's time, centuries ago, and yet the Vulcans would have instantly recognized the technology and possibly anyone else familiar with Vulcan technology. And not to mention offworld sites old enough to be called "Ancient".

The Vulcans were an interstellar race when they nuked their planet into oblivion, and according to Klingon history, they were interstellar one way or another at that time as well.

So Vulcans being calm and rational is a very recent thing compared to there lengthy history, they have a much deeper and longer history of being vicious assholes with Psychic Super Weapons that would earn the respect of the fucking Eldar.

>>17234

The Vulcans bombed themselves back into the stone age.

>>17234

>Eldar

Did they murderfuck a Chaos God into existence or something? Probably explain Pon Farr

>>17234

This is why vulcan waifu is best waifu. She’s just a repressed sex demon who will spank you.

>>18950

Where did the Vulcan spanking meme come from?

>>18953

One of the waifu threads.

>>18953

>>18962

Ezri diapers all over agan though this one isn't as bad

>>3805

Romulans have some decent ENT episodes

>>19018

Earth-Romulan War NEVER EVER!

<No Romulan anime

>>19281

>no [Star Trek] anime

That's a good thing imo

>>19281

There was meant to be one after the Hobus Supernova.

>>18967

Nothing wrong with a vulcan qt who insists on discipline.

>>19291

On your butt.

>>19319

Klingon Anime show that was like LOGH in terms of K'mpec's rise to power would be glorious.

>>19319

>not all anime has to follow the shitty jap tropes

But it will, because they all do.

>>19341

>Flesh out Klingon culture

It actually was meant to happen after DS9 but studios got cold feet mainly cause of how expensive it was.

>>3803

They use a captured black hole as a power source, that's why their ships lack agility, they're way more massive. They don't have a warp core, or a dilithium power source, which means their ships are essentially powered and useful forever. A side effect of this is that they have a fucktonne of old ships in service that haven't been upgraded for thousands of years, so in some senses they're behind the other species in fielded technology, but the technology they have archived and ready to use is far ahead of even the federation. In their older ships in service, their shielding are equivalent to the federation and weapons slightly inferior, but in their most modern ships (which they rarely bother to build) it's far superior. They prefer to use subterfuge than direct attack, because subterfuge is thousands of times cheaper and more efficient, and the Romulan empire is all about efficiency.

>>19391

>Captured black hole as a power source

They use Oprah Winfrey?

>>19391

if anything, a forced singularity may be safer than a warp core. After all, everyone knows how dangerous black holes are so there's going to be failsafes on top of failsafes, a breach in the chamber would likely result in the singularity collapsing rather than going out of control.

if it didn't, there'd be a shitload of mini black holes all over the place for every time a romulan ship blew up

>>19409

not to mention those hand rails in enterprise.

>>19405

>no oversized tits

We'll, I've lost all interest. Honestly, I see super flat chicks in anime more than I see nice juicy knockers. Big tits are easier to draw, and is considered laziness by many animators.

>>19405

>there will be no problems

Except a lot because anime is innately trash.

>>19429

anime is often bait like so:

BIG TITTY AND ASS GIRL

ME LIKELY

ME BUY!

>>19429

>>19431

GOONS GTFO

>>19432

Anime has shitty recycled plots and characters. It's basically Template; The Industry. Nothing goon about it. It's where creativity goes to die.

>>19439

Like the other mediums are any different.

>>19444

This. Visual media has been trending downhill since the early impressionist painters. There have been a few bumps back up, but Jewish degeneracy has drug it down pretty far.

>>19444

Like a flagfaggot has an opinion that should be taken seriously. Filtered like the attention seeker you are.

>>19428

>Big tits are easier to draw

Yes because it's easier to draw something that has to be moving in more frames and is more pliable than just a fucking straight line.

>>19453

>Impressionist painters

Are you the anon that made a 3 post rant on the Impressionist painters and how they fucked up the visual median forever? Please post why again if you are you glorious autist

>>19617

Are impressionists Jews?

>>3825

>she disappeared

all part of the mystery..

>>21806

Abducted by Kirk when they went back in time to save the Tribbles and is now taking it hard up the butt in Kirk's alien waifu harem.

>>25071

Thank you for the enlightening post.

>Come to Romulan Thread on /strek/

>highly civilized discussion on art

Why is /strek/ such a thinking man's board?

How do Romulan sleeper agents put up with all the spankings when disguised as Vulcans?

>>32808

What if Earth-Romulan War was fought by hacking into each other's computers with Romulans beaming them over lusty big breasted Vulcan pon far porn while Humans return by sending them Gachimuchi?

>>32825

The the Romulans have a strange tactic.

>>29563

Because he's in love, actually.