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fdd5b8 No.33367
I know, I know, I'm just doing it for the sake of waking up this fucking board up.
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4ddb85 No.33368
>>33367
I wasn't expecting Mike to talk about the supernova nonsense made by JJ and Kurtzman. I'm glad he did it because that means more people will finally understand why it made no sense and basically destroyed the post-Nemesis era of Star Trek.
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fdd5b8 No.33369
>>33368
They really bring up some good points I didn't even think about, once you start thinking about the premise of everything Kurtzman it all just breaks the fuck down.
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4ddb85 No.33370
>>33369
People kept asking for a post-VOY show, well… now it's going to be a pain in the ass.
Also now Kurtzman has his two shows taking place in the same future, it's going to be interesting to see if his writers will respect their own canon.
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33cad7 No.33372
Whenever they film a fight scene they use a stunt double and we never get to see her face. Then they switch cameras and we get to see the stars face. Picard was quite clever they put a bag over the stunt doubles head and she did the entire fight scene.
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5d1a83 No.33405
>>33368
Funny thing: The Star Trek Online game actually goes to painful lengths to explain why the Romulan Supernova was so deadly (in short, it had to do with some Romulan never-do-wells mucking about with Iconian technology, making the shock wave propogate at warp speeds…..doesn't make much sense, I know, but better than no explanation at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SKFnt9ePCA&feature=emb_logo
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262ff4 No.33423
>>33405
>making the shock wave propogate at warp speeds
From what I understand of it, it wasn't even making the energy travel at warp speed, which would be at least a "okay, that's kind of plausable, I guess". It made the supernova travel along using the same poorly explained mechanic used by subspace communication. Which would be like an a person using an alien device to somehow send a nuclear explosion over the telephone lines as a fax.
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cd3cc7 No.33431
>>33423
I mean they're stuck with it so their doing their best. STO is canon now as far as I'm concerned. I think the Iconian device could be explained as causing each of the affected systems starts to explode would be a reasonable retcon (so instead of sending a nuke over the phone line it uses the phone line to hack your power station and explode instead).
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772805 No.33432
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bb0f3e No.33436
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33919b No.33454
>>33431
Nothing Kurtzman is canon as far as I'm concerned.
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ce8e10 No.33455
Picard while not utter shit is just not what I want. I unironically looking forward to dementia and then I can watch new episodes of TNG every day. I'll prepare a playlist of my favorite episodes that I can watch on loop. Perhaps also thrown in some other shows that I like.
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816e72 No.33461
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33919b No.33467
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66af3e No.33468
>>33461
>>33467
It was the best episode by virtue of being comprised mostly of a Picard-Riker-Troi reunion, but its still shit. Instead of reminiscing about old times, Troi lectures Picard exactly like every other woman in the series has done which was hard to watch. Neither Riker no Troi seem to have any respect in the way they speak to their old Captain.
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42a59a No.33496
>>33405
Are there any good episodic let's plays for STO?
With the right editing..
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146bcd No.33497
>>33367
There's nothing wrong with the Romulans and Federation working together to de-assimilate drones on the "Artifact". The Soviets and the US more or less respected eachothers scientific studies in Antarctica and during those Apollo-Soyuz missions. It's also kinda like the Kaesong Industrial Complex that South Korea and Best Korea share. When you consider how fucked up the Romulan Star Empire would be with the loss of their homeworld it's not hard to believe that they'd accept help with their research and still just hoard the most valuable tech secrets.
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40db54 No.33512
>>33497
>When you consider how fucked up the Romulan Star Empire would be with the loss of their homeworld
It's a STAR empire. Losing their homeworld would have no impact on the Rumulan society since they would have centuries to prepare and find a new home in another system.
The Star Trek canon is forever fucked by JJ and Kurtzman's supernova nonsense.
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83fb6f No.33513
>>33512
That's not how empire work. Especially centralized authoritarian ones like the Romulan Star Empire.
If Earth blew up the Fed could probably just move the capital to Betazed, Vulcan, or Riza but it doesn't operate in the same way, even classic Trek makes this obvious.
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c0c725 No.33516
>>33513
>That's not how empire work.
Tell that to the Romans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople
The Supernova idea is bullshit and should have stayed in JJ 'Trek'.
There's a very easy route to take with the Romulans, just follow on from ST:Nemesis:
The government was decapitated by clone Picard and friends. There would be a power vacuum, resulting in a civil war between the hardcore isolationists and the ones following the teachings of Spock. The Fed would be looking on with a mixture of joy and worry, some wanting to take advantage, others wanting to help.
So much possibility with shaky alliances, rescue missions, and all that dark and gritty crap that modern TV has a major boner for.
But noooo! Let's go with the dumbshit plot idea that doesn't make sense and is boring.
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522f41 No.33517
>>33516
Constantinople never lived up to Rome's influence though.
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40db54 No.33524
>>33516
Speaking about power vacuum, where are the Klingons? The Orions? The Gorn?
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33919b No.33537
>>33512
With Jews, you lose.
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18bcf1 No.33539
>>33524
The main Trek empires were:
>Federation
>Romulans
>Klingon
>Borg
>Dominion
All of them got btfo in the main timeline trio of shows except the Romulans (they were in the 2009 movie). There aren't any serious antagonists left in the galaxy.
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ebfb7c No.33542 
>>33455
I am already doing that. If enough people do it. Maybe CBS or Netflix or Bad robocock might start
actually making a decent trek again. Something good like the Orville is what we need.
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40db54 No.33544
>>33542
>Maybe CBS or Netflix or Bad robocock might start actually making a decent trek again
Anon, they don't want to make a Star Trek show. Shows like STD and Picard are the only types of program that they can and want to make.
I bet that Kurtzman and his crew weren't expecting that people actually want a nuPike spin-off.
>>33539
I don't see why the Klingons or the Orion syndicate wouldn't take over the Romulan territories. It's the perfect opportunity.
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ebfb7c No.33547
>>33544
Now that you mention it, a Christopher Pike series is a good idea, and maybe following the Original Series timeline.
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261775 No.33548
>>33539
The Klingon Empire wasn't completely destroyed, just weakened when Praxis exploded. Klingons signed a treaty with the Federation basically agreeing not to fuck with them and go their separate ways but the Federation did not absorb the Klingon Empire so there might be an opportunity for them to at least try some saber rattling again for old times sake. I'd like to see more about the Orions, more about them than just we need some sci-fi mafia goons and green bitches.
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40db54 No.33556
>>33547
We will never have an actual Pike spin-off because it would require Kurtzman to stick to the canon and the aesthetic.
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ebfb7c No.33558
>>33556
He may succumb to the sickness.
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c68d79 No.33563
>>33512
It would have some impact but it wouldn't be as big as you think it would be. Losing the centralized center of an empire would cripple it, but there would be admirals, bureaucrats and nobles who would set up an emergency temporary capital for all the central bureaucracy till they find a more permanent spot. Yes they would remove the heart and cause upheaval but the Empire would still exist.
Robot Chicken did a skectch where there are two bridge officers saying that the Empire is finished just because the second death star and Palpatine are eliminated. It's not real, there would be a power struggle caused by the vacuum but it would have a leader once again.
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d972b0 No.33564
**>The Romulans were right all along
>seven is a lesbian
>Oh is at the same time leader of the Zhat Vash, the Tal Shiar and Starfleet Security
>Agnes didn't get arrested for killing Maddox
>JL died and they copied his brain into the goylem
>the JL goylem has no synth feature (no augmentation like super strength etc.)
>the Data who was inside B4 was placed in a box, JL unplugged it because for some reason Data wanted to die.
>Riker cameo but it was a reshoot (Admiral SheerFuckingHubris was originally the leader of the armada).
>the writers forgot about the ex-Borg who are still on the synth planet. I guess no one cares if they build another portal for the notReapers
>The Federation has lifted the ban on synth even though they nearly destroyed the galaxy
>we finally see a bunch of ships from the Federation but it's the same 3D model duplicated 100 times because they rushed the CGI, also the ship looks more like a Battlestar than something from Starfleet.
What a shit show.
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778cfe No.33567
>>33564
>dat art
kek Subtly based and red pilled.
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cd3cc7 No.33579
>>33539
It would be easy to vamp most of those (and the STO timeline Klingon's are fixed, have someone take the chancellorship by force who has brass balls and the will to use them). Honestly the dominion is just as big a threat as ever (they managed to force the changelings to diversify their planetary holdings). And it would be easy to turn the borg scary again
>captain whoever is intrigued when a borg queen (make this one a dude, borg King) invites star fleet onto a cube. The ship sits three days to reveal that it's an almost empty cube with it's weapons, and nanites intentionally burned out .
>The captain finally goes over as requested. They find the king and his single manservant) sitting at a table (borg table think techblack) and he waves
>The king is gregarious and welcomes everyone making nonchalant small talk and so on until the captain finally frustrated asks
>WHAT DO YOU WANT
>The King stops, his fun obviously ruined "So impatient, well I guess we are here for an important work after all.
>We are the Borg. The king says, we have been beaten, You have made damn fools outs of us across three sectors of space. We still don't know how you really got out to the Delta Quadrant you know that?
>the table seems stunned and the king Continues.
>I surrender, the individuals of the borg surrender. Our culture such as it was , your individuality was adapted to serve us. And it failed miserably. Assimilations are down 37 percent. The collective has finally decided to put the Locutus project to bed.
>The table begins reaching for phasers which they find disabled by growing nanite counts
>So I surrender, myself back to the cube the king says. He begins twitching, trying to smile as parts of his personality are violently overridden in a convulsive manner.
>We Won't be a minute he slurs.
>The team manages to barely beam out as the King shows up impassively on the viewscreen still obviously fighting something in his reassimilation
The ship leaves and begins contacting Starfleet. They begin fighting off rogue nanite infections and a pitched battle ensues against the crew itself being borgified. The chief engineer already showing signs of borgification sets the warp corp to breech and shoots himself in the head, evaporating nearby bulkheads on purpose to ensure the core isn't vented. The admirals use deep space telemetry (or some nonsense ) to watch as the ship dies in a warp core breach before the signal arrives from the Delta Quadrant (presumably piped in via tunnels) to the entirety of the Alpha Quadrant.
>We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile
And then just ignore any mentions of Queens from there on, get rid of the worst of the ship designs from the movies and keep the good stuff. If there are any queens they would be treated as enemy collectives by the collective (and probably target number one). Have most of the nonsense before (rotating frequencies, etc) simply stop working as the Borg move to multifrequency shielding unless the drones have been set to expendable for a reason (perhaps as a kind of nanite bomb after they die). It was a movie concept that they needed one and Its easy enough to get rid of it with 10 mins of tv.
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e07a15 No.33580
>>33579
Making the Borg scary again so soon after VOY is basically like saying they should just have had the Empire not be defeated after RotJ. It undermines the achievements of the previous generation of heroes. It could definitely have been done with some competent writing though. I always expected all of these civilisations to rebuild, it just needed to be shown.
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45ece1 No.33581
>>33579
>borg queen
Ditch the queen concept entirely. It was a bad idea that came about because the writers were too lazy to write a baddie that didn't have a "face" and it ruined the whole fucking point. Say it was a failed experiment in creating a "user interface" for a civilization the borg once encounter that was too strong to be taken by force but was found to be possibly open to voluntary assimilation with a little coaxing. So Borg searched through the minds currently plugged in, found one with a strong diplomatic ability, then upgraded it and allowed a measure of autonomy while still directly connected to the collective in order to properly interact with the species on the Collective's behalf, but this went horribly wrong as once given some level of independence, the personalty was actually able to dominate the rest of the collective through force of will and set itself up as the queen instead of just a spokesperson. You could even establish that was why Huge and his "corrupted" borg were rejected. The queen recognized him as a threat that might do exactly what she did ages ago, so she ditched the whole infection before it could spread further.
And anyway to reintroduce the borg and make it clear that weakness has now been purged in part thanks to the federation's meddling and the collective is now a unified being again and the collective has taken more extreme measures to prevent drones from developing individuality or overriding the collective.
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64d842 No.33583
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>>33436
Why did they have to make Picard a limp wristed passive shell. If the Federation was the machine of injustice it is portrayed to be, then the Picard of TNG would be the first to challenge this.
>>33512
>It's a STAR empire. Losing their homeworld would have no impact on the Rumulan society since they would have centuries to prepare and find a new home in another system.
It may not affect the people on the fringes of the Star Empire but it would affect the people closer, depending on how centralised the government was.
Not to mention the psychological aspect of losing one's homeworld.
I see them having a fleet based capital similar to the Rock of the Dark Angels with a capital ship being formed around a large, hollowed out vestige of their home planet.
>>33581
>Ditch the queen concept entirely. It was a bad idea that came about because the writers were too lazy to write a baddie that didn't have a "face" and it ruined the whole fucking point.
I second this. I would like the Borg to be like the creatures in the film Virus (1999) where the flesh is seen purely as another machine component and the real enemy is sentient software.
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5ec21c No.33597
>>33583
We can tell by how the Romulans operate that is a very centralized empire.
It shouldn't be so centralized, but it is, and that's not just a Romulan oversight, it's something that comes up in Star Trek as well as other science fiction a lot. Then again I can understand why the planet on which your people originated would play a central role. As far as TV goes, Andromeda is the only series off the top of my head that featured primarily humans, but cast Earth as a backwater world. The Expanse also does this in later novels, but Earth hasn't been ruined on the show, yet.
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