5c9f12 No.31732
You know one thing I never understood is why they never had giant robots in either Star trek or star wars. You'd think that massive hulk's of destruction would make an interesting plot point, but sadly I've never seen them. Would you like some Mecha in star trek? Or have I just been watching too much Gundam..
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a02cd8 No.31733
>>31732
you've been watching too much Gundam
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a02cd8 No.31735
>>31732
Also OP, you're a stupid fucking nigger faggot for making three of the same threads. You should really just kill yourself because you are clearly not a valuable addition to the human race.
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7dc3dc No.31738
>>31732
Thanks for shitting up the catalog with 3 threads. As for what you're actually saying, gundam are cool but there is 0 benefit to having a humanoid shape in space and Starfleet isn't a military anyway.
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5c9f12 No.31741
>>31738
>>31735
Sorry, posting was being retarded at the time
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d779a7 No.31743
> Never had giant robots in Star Wars
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7ba9a0 No.31744
>>31743
>slow ass quadrupedal robots with shit firepower
garbage
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e962b0 No.31754
>>31743
That's not a mecha. That's an APU with legs.
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27d10e No.31768
>>31744
At least our robots arent programmed to assfuck fanbois
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7ba9a0 No.31847
>>31768
Yeah, they're gay enough as it is.
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abe60c No.31849
>>31754
>>31744
There were bigger droids that more closely resemble mechas.
In fact, the mecha genre itself was heavily inspired by Star Wars itself, which was enormously popular in 80s Japan.
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a4f7fa No.31852
>>31849
>In fact, the mecha genre itself was heavily inspired by Star Wars itself, which was enormously popular in 80s Japan.
and you're basing that claim on what?
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7ba9a0 No.31853
>>31849
>In fact, the mecha genre itself was heavily inspired by Star Wars itself, which was enormously popular in 80s Japan.
Are you fucking high? Giant robots first appeared in Japan in 1931. Oogon Bat is not only the first series to have a giant robot (an antagonist), it's the first superhero comic EVER. In 1948 Nuclear Powered Android featured a protagonist that operated a giant robot. The first giant robot anime was Go Nagai's Mazinger Z, which debuted in 1972, five years before Star Wars premiered, and finally established robotto (what we refer to as 'mecha') anime as its own genre. Go Nagai also created the first transforming robot in 1974's Getter Robo.
Star Wars didn't premiere until 1977, and we don't even see the AT-ATs until Empire in 1980. If anything, Japanese mecha inspired Star Wars, not the other way around.
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abe60c No.31859
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>31852
>>31853
In which we see the fucking retard in its natural habitat, not having the faintest clue that "inspired by" an "invented by" are, in fact, two things.
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a4f7fa No.31861
>>31859
Sooo giant robots are already all over Japan before starwars comes out, even piloted ones, but starwars somehow retroactively "inspired" them in 1980? I don't think you understand what "inspired" means or how linear time works.
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c6c328 No.31863
>>31861
>Nips are happily making robit cartoons
>Future bald nip robot cartoon maker and friends go to see Star Wars
>Is inspired to blend elements of the established cartoon genre with elements with the thing he just watched
And that's how something that already exists can take inspiration from something else, please tell your english teacher that they did a poor job pablo.
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a4f7fa No.31864
>>31863
So now you're backtracking and saying Star Wars influenced giant robots in Japan in the 80s instead of "inspired" them as if all mechas in Japan are "inspired" by the AT-AT. That's a few steps back from "inspired" which is typically applied to things when they're conceived like "X book inspired X film" Which I don't see at all, but OK. You can go on believing that if you want.
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c6c328 No.31877
>>31864
> So now you're backtracking
Look at the poster IDs you retarded spic, I'm just capable comprehending what I'm reading.
>as if all mechas in Japan are "inspired" by the AT-AT.
No one mentioned the AT-ATs, nor any walking vehicle from the SW movies, as being an inspiration, either as an influence on Japanese mech desgin or that it was responsible for all of then.
>That's a few steps back from "inspired" which is typically applied to things when they're conceived like "X book inspired X film"
English lesson time
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/inspired
>The artist was inspired to paint a true masterpiece.
Does this sentence imply that paintings didn't exist before this artist was inspired to paint one?
>But electric vehicles and the batteries that made them run became ensnared in corporate scandals, fraud, and monopolistic corruption that shook the confidence of the nation and inspired automotive upstarts.
This example even has events in an existing industry inspiring new things to happen in that industry.
Get off the internet and go back to school pablo.
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f83bee No.31886
>>31732
You really should read more trek comics.
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5d7035 No.31915
>>31732
You don't see them because budget issues and star trek is generally just far enough over on the scale between hard scifi and science fantasy where they can't pretend that building size bipedal robots are even remotely viable or effective in combat compared to conventional wheeled or flying vehicles
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e62eb9 No.31921
>>31915
I really want to know why they don't have loader bots really like out of Ayyliums?
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7eecdd No.31923
>>31921
>why dont they have loader bots
In star trek they can just teleport everything where they need it to be.
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fe617b No.31925
>>31923
I can't imagine using unreliable teleportation technology is cheaper than forklifts for moving cargo around on the ship.
Aside from issues with the reliability of the teleporters under various conditions, like background radiation, just consider that not all cargo can be teleported or replicated and consider how much of what can be, is lost in transporter accidents of various kinds.
It would certainly make sense for Starfleet to have something for moving around cargo and heavy objects in general, though possibly smaller than a modern forklift.
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a4f7fa No.31928
>>31925
None the less in the shows all you see in cargo bays is stacks of shit and a transporter. Also they constantly harp on the transporter being safe besides it constantly duplicating people or turning them into children. I think it's safe to assume in the Star Trek universe they don't use forklifts because they have a transporter, are extremely lazy, and pretend it's safe even though it malfunctions in bizarre ways every other episode.
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689f2a No.31935
>>31925
well they have the small workbee vehicles that can be used for moving the huge stuff, and I think they've shown hand tools that use some sort of hover technology to let a person move a heavy crate around easily, sort of like the gravity gun in half life 2.
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dbb4c0 No.31940
>>31925
>I can't imagine using unreliable teleportation technology is cheaper than forklifts for moving cargo around on the ship.
Would not be the first time the Starfleet's solutions turn out to be idiotic.
Pic only tangentionally related.
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e962b0 No.31999
>>31925
>it malfunctions in bizarre ways every other episode
That's just a selection bias. They use the transporter probably a million times per every malfunction, but of course they aren't going to make an episode revolving around when it works to perfection. If you watched a documentary show all about historical airplane crashes, it doesn't change the fact that it's still the safest form of transit in existence and you have a greater chance of getting struck by lightning than dying in a plane crash. Probably the same thing with transporters; they found out that moving people by shuttle was killing more of them than using the transporter.
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0781cc No.32003
>>31999
Except that the transporter can be made to malfunction in really bizarre ways with relative ease. Think about the accident that duplicated Riker. It wasn't even a malfunction really, the operator just decided to use two beams for a safety margin instead of one. Anyone, at any time, could decide to do the same thing and create a clone army of themselves. You could create duplicates of yourself, then put them in stasis for an unlimited supply of spare organs in case of a transplant. These machines are much more powerful than anyone seems to give them credit for. Even if they don't break down often, the fact is that when they do break down, no one seems to know how or why. Taking your plane example, imagine if you any time you got onto a plane, there was a 0.000001% chance of it either:
-accelerating indefinitely until it hits the edge of the atmosphere and suffocating everyone
-crumpling into a balloon of aluminum foil and dropping into the ocean
-opening the doors at random and decompressing the occupants
-etc.
Sure, the odds are in your favor, and much safer than any alternative. But the fact that neither you nor any of the experts seem to truly know *why* these things happen should be just a little disconcerting. Plane crashes are caused by predictable, easily understood phenomena, and do planes can be improved and made safer after every crash. Not so for transporters. When the range of malfunctions goes from turning crew into children to sending them into alternate dimensions, and no one knows why these things happen, how exactly do you engineering new safeties into the mechanism with any degree of surety? We may as well start calling these things teleportara and admit Trek takes place in the Dark Age of Technology.
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129e1d No.32004
>>32003
every thing in ST is more powerful than star fleet seems to understand. Their basic star ships apparently have so much fucking computing power that they can accidentally create sentient life/self aware AI programs just because someone said the wrong thing when giving it commands.
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6d1156 No.32020
Giant humanoid mecha are cool. But also really dumb.
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836945 No.32023
>>32003
Transporter malfunctions are just the convenient catalyst for whatever whacky story the writer wanted to write.
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fe617b No.32027
>>32020
That is not entirely true, depending on 2 issues.
Are you comparing them to tanks? Why would you assume they would be used in the exact same role as a modern tank? Helicopters aren't tanks, but Apache's are good at killing tanks, hard to kill with just a tank, but tanks are still around regardless, since helicopters didn't replace tanks. Moving around on limbs would allow a mech to go where tanks can't and move in ways tanks can't. Arm mounted weapons can be pointed at a target much faster than a tanks turret and would make it easier to change the mechs weapon load out to fit the circumstances.
The second big issue is size. Just how big a mech are we talking here? 3 meter tall glorified powerarmor or Mechagodzilla? I mean one is all but guaranteed technology at this point while the other is a textbook example of why giant robots aren't practical.
Also, there is one big advantage mechs, especially humanoid ones, have that tanks do not. Their pilots.
They can operate highly intuitively by a single operator with only limited training, since they move mostly like the human pilot has already learned to move, simply by growing up.
The single pilot operating it also cuts down on reaction time compared to a crew operated tank, where the crew need time for the commander to see what needs to be done, then relay that order to someone else so they can do it, then they need time to understand the order and then decide how to carry it out all before they actually do so. A single human pilot could cut most of those steps out of the equation.
So the real question when determining how practical a giant robot is, should be, is there a role that it can do better than other vehicles currently in use. If you can find such a role, then yes, they are.
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186724 No.32032
>>32027
I agree with all of that which is why I specified
>giant
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e962b0 No.32042
>>32003
You have an excellent point. In many ways, a lot of Star Trek technology has a magical or fantastical aspect, where people use it but don't actually know how it works. It would be pretty interesting if it was revealed that Starfleet was either given (or stole) transporter and advanced Warp technology from the Vulcans, and while they read the instruction manuals, never bothered to actually learn how it works on a fundamental level.
I mean, really, the reason there is no explanation given for why these things happen is because we're dealing with technology that breaks the laws of physics and so CAN'T have an explanation. It's not like an airplane which obeys basic laws like material fatigue and lift/drag. At least, in-universe, this is the best I can offer. The difference is, we had to understand the physics behind airplanes in order to build one, but for one reason or another Starfleet didn't need to understand their version of physics in order to build a transporter or Warp drive. Maybe Cochrane just stumbled on it by randomly mixing elements and antimatter in a lab one day trying to make some REALLY strong hooch? Even Marie Curie studied radiation extensively — without realizing that it was killing her.
>>32027
The real question you should be asking is: why does anyone need ANY sort of armored weapon platform when modern warfare is primarily conducted from thousands of miles away with guided missiles and drones? Even IF there wasn't a million reasons why a humanoid robot for military purposes is dumb as rocks (hence why nobody is seriously pursuing it), there is no reason for the pilot to be in it. Just remote control the thing from somewhere else (in some kind of VR rig) so nobody dies if the thing gets blown up.
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fec844 No.32046
>Le transporters will fix it
Pretty dumb answer really especially since writers realized they wrote themselves into a hole with that one along with replicators and have been trying to unfuck their way out of it ever since.
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4be1f7 No.33702
Tbh they probably do have mechloaders but why bother with all that heavy shit when you can snap your fucking fingers and that heavy shit appears where you want it to?
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41b4a4 No.33706
>>31849
>In fact, the mecha genre itself was heavily inspired by Star Wars itself, which was enormously popular in 80s Japan.
>>31852
>>31853
>>31861
>>31863
>>31864
>>31877
>Star wars made mecha
Bullshit.
I checked the dates since most people here only know of 90s anime only.
Mazinger Z manga 1972 Mazinger was the first manga where a giant robot was piloted by the hero (wikipedia)
Star Wars a new hope 1977. not mentioning the earlier manga ideas and influences. considering that star wars has boxes on legs a bigger influence would be Mechagodzilla that first appeared in the 1974 film Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla.
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cb0385 No.33707
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