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44b40d  No.30048

has anybody tried to create a non CG version of TOS, much in the same way as the Harmy's Despecialized Edition was for the original star wars?

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44b40d  No.30071

Fuck it i'll take that as a no

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c4c6d2  No.30076

I suppose the issue is the original effects had certain issues due to incompetence or budget limitations, which the CG actually tries to replace and fix.

Most people didn't hate the SW special editions because Lucas went and made understandable edits like removing matte lines, made the light sabers brighter or added more ships to existing battle scenes, they hated it because of the extra shit he added into the movies like Jabba talking to Han in ANH, or the cringey musical number in RotJ

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2791f6  No.30127

Non CG version of TOS loses a few scenes actually that were cut from the original show.

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a13fac  No.30128

File: 9538d80f9872df8⋯.jpg (236.31 KB, 1152x487, 1152:487, r2newshots[1].jpg)

>>30076

From what I recall, that's the point of the Despecialized Edition: keep as many of the visual enhancements as possible while removing all the extraneous crap and clutter that Lucas couldn't help but add in the process. I believe that's what OP was asking, but I don't really know if it would make much of a difference. Without being able to use a restoration on the film prints used for the original effects, the best you could do is to cut the old VFX shots and swap them in for the CGI in the HD rerelease, and I'm not sure how well that would turn out.

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d59745  No.30135

>>30048

Didn't the TOS remaster discs include two versions of each episode, one with the original vfx and another with the CGI?

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4a70b4  No.30136

I really liked it, didn't feel like they used too much lens flare. That and I'm a huge fan of fleet battles anyway.

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8d5051  No.30138

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dde0d7  No.30142

The visual effects do not exist in high definition. There is no theatrical print you can acquire, scan and clean up yourself, nor fragments of scenes from various sources you can composite into a presentable fashion. What you get on the blu rays is as good as it gets; original, SD broadcast version upscaled and spliced into the actual HD show.

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567555  No.30148

File: 21ef00e89cfa684⋯.jpg (38.61 KB, 342x428, 171:214, vault.jpg)

>>30142

The TOS restorations were one of the earliest HD restoration efforts, and in the years since many of the missing elements, deleted scenes, original mono track masters, and original visual FX materials have been located and catalogued. See the Roddenberry Vault Blu-Ray for versions of select episodes presented with less DNR (more grain) and original mono tracks.

There were actually a few examples of some scenes in the original restorations using alternate footage because the negatives for the particular shot couldn't be located, the newer release has inserted the located missing segments.

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567555  No.30152

File: 8b7cf492ac4f32e⋯.png (1.96 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, chinese_bootleg_bluray.png)

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5413c9  No.30161

>>30148

>That vault pic

You know the unfortunate design of that case makes it look like it's a bag of toilet paper at first glance.

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7e7d64  No.30167

>>30048

The remasters did a few things like they made the VFX more consistent. Iirc one thing they did was standardize all of the phaser colors so they were all red.

At the same time the vfx does clash a little with the cardboard sets and other clearly cheap design of the show. But it's ultimately harmless and I can see an argument for people wanting to watch one or the other. It's still the same show just with more visual flair.

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60debe  No.30172

File: 5a36349f8e4d5f6⋯.gif (3.76 MB, 728x354, 364:177, ZeH0PmH.gif)

The original effects are beautiful. The tacky proto-CGI of the remasters doesn't have the same psychadelic love in it and hasn't aged well, imo. It's not like the audience is unaware it's a show from the 60s; it's fine if it looks like a show from the 60s.

It's also the genesis of much of the sci-fi effects industry so it's kind of like shitting on the floor of a museum and smearing it all over everything. Even if I'm really a huge fan of your fancy shit I'm still missing out on the heritage of the original medium if I can't see it anymore.

I'd also kind of like to watch the actual show that the actual people making it thought they were working on. It's pretty clear that even many of the people working on later trek shows didn't really grok many of the more subtle, thoughtful nuances of TOS. I'm not sure how much of that was expressed in the special effects, but under the circumstances I don't trust other people to decide that for me.

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51f26a  No.30228

The new CG scenes also added more practical effects like they showed the shuttles in the hangar. I think fags shit on them because it's "cool"

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d441c7  No.30234

>>30172

The CGI shots were mostly used because upscaling the old effect shots would have been a challenge. I believe the film was missing, so all they had to go on was lower res recordings.

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d7098d  No.30248

>>30234

Not debating that they had their reasons.

We have much better algorithms now, though.

On the gripping hand, they knew that they were making a show for shitty TVs and I think I've even noticed certain edgy little background details in some episodes that I suspect they knew–ie intended–to be lost in the lack of clarity for most viewers. It makes sense to be able to see those details now but it makes even more sense to be aware which details they are if you care about the cultural context at all.

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5413c9  No.30274

>>30234

Did they really lose old film or is that a myth?

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d441c7  No.30288

>>30274

It was either that, or they were shot on low grade film to begin with. I don't remember.

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68aa7d  No.30507

>>30152

>>30128

>>30076

>There will be no HD blu-rays or 4K blu-rays of the 1995 Star Wars THX remasters where no scene was altered, and the picture and sound was remastered in THX.

Whelp, time to find another Laserdisc player.

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567555  No.30536

>>30288

>It was either that, or they were shot on low grade film to begin with. I don't remember.

Combining practical special effects required a lot of manual labor, most of the time the effects were filmed on larger or higher grade film so the editors could crop the elements as needed to fit into the frame. Layers would literally be glued together - "the box" effect you sometimes with old movies in HD - and the combined shots transferred to a dupe negative - with quality lose and embedded emulsion damage - that would integrate the final image to a single shot. The individual sources have been found for many of these instances, but you have to digitally scan each and recreate the composition manually by hand for each frame.

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3f2155  No.33313

>>30048

No CGI!

I want to see how they did the practical effects back in the day this is the most interesting part of TOS.

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41e578  No.33331

File: 3bf3c75a4ebc6d9⋯.jpg (21.77 KB, 550x300, 11:6, Q judgement chair.jpg)

>>30248

>I think I've even noticed certain edgy little background details in some episodes that I suspect they knew–ie intended–to be lost in the lack of clarity

Do you have any specific examples? I guess it's possible they would do this, following the same logic I've seen some of the LCARS panels from TNG at Star Trek: The Exhibition and they have little poems and shit in tiny font on the edges. They also had Q's judge chair which stank for some reason, maybe it had been stored in a damp warehouse.

I kind of like the new CG, but obviously it would be vile heresy if it outright *replaced* the original SFX Lucas-style, it's just cool to have it as an option.

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056cb3  No.33384

File: 66fa816f63ed418⋯.jpg (207.04 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, strek ENT CGI 1.jpg)

File: e813fad5d47432d⋯.jpg (116.83 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, strek ENT CGI 2.jpg)

I've been watching Enterprise, it's got some horrendous CGI. They should've stuck to matte paintings. (The second picture is what the first pic is supposed to be)

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0f285f  No.33385

>>33384

I don't know why they went full CGI on Enterprise. The CGI looks worse today because it was rendered in standard definition.

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