/strek/ - Star Trek

Only the indocrinated.

Sisko's dad just ran a restaurant. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to work in a place like that, on an Earth like Star Trek's.

The real reason you hear that so often is because the series is about people in Starfleet, so they need to get sucked off to remind us how great they are. Plus the people who say that are either in Starfleet or training to get in. Of course they think it's great, otherwise they wouldn't have joined it.

A lot of people hate Starfleet, including Federation citizens.

>>28888

There are non-commissioned officers and field promotions in Trek though. I would not be surprised if there are only maybe an average of 10 officers per ship in Starfleet that went to Starfleet Academy.

Although supposedly Starfleet is extremely undermanned and weak for the territory they hold.

>>28888

>he replaced the entire army of the USA with like canadian peacekeepers and it is supposed to work somehow

To be fair, that makes a hell of a lot of sense when you view the Federation as an empire building exercise.

Go find a scan of "War Before Civilization" and read the section contrasting the American vs Canadian colonization of their western territories. The Americans rolled in with overwhelming force and ended up fighting a counterinsurgency. The Canadians presented themselves as impartial peacekeepers and a bringers of civilization and the tribes just rolled over and accepted it. The end result in both cases was the same; the land conquered and the natives all but rendered extinct, but the Canadians lost a whole lot less blood doing it.

>It ties back to the TNG issue where there are officer's and nomcom's which is a backhanded way of trying to fix this.

Gene was more familiar with the Air Force than the Navy or Army and so that's what he modeled Starfleet after. Look at the typical post-WWII bomber crew, you've got about a 70%-30% split of officers to enlisted.

>>28888

>and considering starfleet is like a couple hundred planets

Surely you mean "The Federation". Starfleet doesn't have an planets so far as I know.

>>28963

Oh, the irony of making a typo while correcting a mistake. I meant "any planets", not "an planets".

>"Ever since I was a little kid, I wanted to join Starfleet."

>"All I ever heard growing up was how great Starfleet was."

If you grew up in the 80's or 90's, it was the exact same thing with NASA. Every kid I knew wanted to be an astronaut, and all we had were the shuttles. I'd imagine this was much greater during the Apollo era.

>>29101

This is true, Star Trek was essentially Boomers in Space fantasy.

>>29124

>Star Trek was essentially Boomers in Space fantasy.

It’s a little bit more complicated than that, anon. True, Boomers grew up with it, but it was the brainchild of a “Greatest Generation” proto-hippy (who, perhaps paradoxically from a modern point of view was also kind of a Chad, being a boisterous serial womanizer with military combat experience and a stint in the LAPD), just barely held in check by another, more grounded GG who had served in Korea, and brought to life onscreen by a mixed company of GG and Silent Generation actors.

>>29154

>a boisterous serial womanizer with military combat experience

That's a funny way to misspell "fucked up during air force pilot training and spent his entire WW2 career within the continental US". Roddenberry never saw combat.

>>29159

>That's a funny way to misspell

Somtimes typos take on a life of their own…

I wonder how many grew up to be space janitors?

>>28888

Only a few home planets reached a population of billions. Most of the planets were colonies with populations of a few millions at most.

Plus, only a few big ship classes (like the Galaxy) had a crew of more than a thousand. On the other hand, there were hundreds of space stations, many of them with a crew much bigger than that of a ship. There's also subspace relay stations, planetary defense contraptions…

>>29990

um there are 150 seperate "worlds" how many is a few out of that? 10% ? That's still 150billion people(at 10 bill a pop) (plus an additional 135 planets worth of people for however much they are worth.

We had a population of 1 billion people near the beginning of the 1800's. We produced almost half a billion people in the last 15 years or so. Sure there is going to be some variance but these people have had stable dynamics for 250 years? (forgiving a couple decades of war with the klingons and a couple of years with the dominion across that whole time). The population numbers are going to be huge considering a technologically limited agrarian society easy peaked 1 billion. It really is one of the things that Star Trek gets wrong the most is the scale of starfleet / ships to planetary organizations of 150 members (and presuming the slack 135 all post 1 billion people total which is well low but helps account for I don't know hermphrodite crystals or someshit) there are 300 billion people in starfleet and starfleet acts like it has a reserve of people for like 30k -60k. (you can count the number of spacestations on a couple of hands, none of them have populations that would help make up for where all these people will live, I really think that terraformed moons, astroid colonies, generationships, great big collective stations past the oort belts would have to be a big thing and they are protecting/exploring and doing it all with like 3000 ships.

>>30019

Your argument about exponential growth proves the point, though the opposite one. It takes a lot of stuff to get a civilization to the point where it's producing enough energy (in absolute terms and in terms of industry, food, technology, etc) for the population to explode like that. A planet with seven billion on it will grow much faster per capita that one with a few million. Unless the big planets are shipping out people in droves to the colonies, sparsely-inhabited planets will only have a handful of people on them and will NEVER grow that quickly until they also reach a population around a billion, which will take thousands of years. One can assume most species in the Federation are similar to humans: one central planet with billions of people on it, and a bunch of colony planets with so few that they're almost insignificant. 150 planets is like England in the 1800's saying they have 150 islands. Yeah, they probably did, but assuming every one of those islands was as heavily populated as London would be foolhardy.

A job is something you do because another person doesn't want to do it, and is willing to pay you. Star trek was written by a communist, so of course he doesn't understand.

>>30087

My job is to go around and beat up niggers. Getting paid for it is a bonus. Check fucking mate.

>>30125

LARPing is in poor taste; LARPing as a vehicle to virtue signal to all your /pol/ buddies how much you hate niggers is just pathetic.

>>30804

Shut up nigger.

>>30806

Cry harder. I can't hear you yet.

>>28892

>The Canadians expended a lot less blood doing it

I'm not familiar with estimations of the tribal populations in each country, but I expect the Iroquois et al were significantly less well armed and organized than Southern tribes which had been raiding the mexicans for many years. As well Canada also ended up with a significantly larger intransigent underclass of Indians than the US (although not to be outdone, they imported and released an even larger and more intransigent underclass from Africa). In fact the Indians served as the primary members of the progressive coalition for white genocide in Canada until their numbers were eclipsed by chinks and poos over the previous decades, while propaganda has shifted more towards the vanilla Americanized "muh poor niggers".

>>28888

Checked, do you by any chance play Star Fleet Battles, and although your taste is Patrician, why do you bring up the beauty that is Shoggoths here?

>>28890

Almost all the ranks we see on screen in Next Generation are commissioned tho.

>>29990

The death toll in the hundreds of billions in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline does not support this estimate unless there are a lot of colonies or unless they started cloning people or something in that timeline after the point of divergence.

>>30981

>He cried harder just as commanded

You're such a good little drone.

>>31160

That was two different people, you fucking kike-tard.

Ever seen how clean a starship looks? Its cleaner than any hotel or cruise ship, even the ACCESSWAYS are clean.

I worked as a housekeeper and that is fucking impossible without a staff dedicated to it. Humans shed skin, hair, and fluids all day long, leaving oil on everything they touch. Everything inanimate (furniture, carpets etc) degrades and creates fine particulates. Biological and inorganic matter mixes to provide excellent substrate for bacteria that sticks everywhere…. The bacteria feeds fungi which feed bugs..

>>31167

>He doesn't know about ID-hopping

Newfag.

>>31178

I'd imagine those oft-vaunted environmental controls have something to do with that. The ship probably vacuums itself all the times whenever people aren't around. Things do tend to get rather messy when the ship isn't functioning properly.

But it is pretty stupid that crawlspaces and engineering spaces are so clean. There's simply no point to ensuring that a Jeffery's Tube doesn't have piles of old tools in the corner and oil dripping out of pipes and shit.

>>31266

>>He doesn't know about ID-hopping

Or does he?