d3e59f No.27838
Anyone else feel like they should have kept the uniforms from the motion picture instead of changing it to the red ones in Wrath of Khan?
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60858e No.27839
the admiral suits were nice. And the medical outfits and engineering rad suits were good. I did like how there was a wide varieties of designs based on job. But the the regular crew outfits that were just footie pajamas were fucking hideous
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2b5295 No.27840
They looked kind of dull and boring. They had a very 70's plain look to them. It was like something the janitor would wear mostly. Also apparently they were scrapped cause for whatever reason they were insanely uncomfortable and time consuming to put on
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d3e59f No.27841
>>27839
I can agree with the pajamas part for the staff, but I did like the look of admiral uniform. Wished they'd kept it for the sequels, or at least the color scheme.
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2652fa No.27842
I jindof always liked the red ones, it was easy to see when someone was off duty
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d1af79 No.27843
>>27840
>Also apparently they were scrapped cause for whatever reason they were insanely uncomfortable and time consuming to put on
This is true. One of the demands that all the main cast members made for WoK was uniforms that were comfortable and practical on set.
And frankly, I think the red uniforms look fucking awesome. They really drive home the "badass space navy" aesthetic that Nicholas Meyer was presenting.
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2652fa No.27846
>>27843
Yeah this guy gets it.
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60858e No.27852
>>27843
I think the WoK outfits would have been better if they used the classic color coding for the jackets instead of red for everyone
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614c85 No.27853
>>27838
Some of the TMP unforms look nice but others feel too soft, like pyjamas.
The uniforms in Wrath of Khan are way better but they have a problem: you can't see the rank at quick glance.
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f2a8e7 No.27856
>>27852
>>27853
TNG Film uniforms with the belts from Yesterday's Enterprise. Captures much of the same aesthetic but solves the issues you have with rank and division ID.
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e44ee2 No.27860
>>27853
>you can't see the rank at quick glance.
Sure you can, it's on the white strap.
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f7d9b5 No.27862
Had never seen this point of view at all until Cucklasa in his recent disappointing drunken ramble. There's a good reason OP used Kirk's admiral uniform in the pic, because it's the only one with any aesthetic quality to speak of. The WoK uniforms are extremely beautiful. I can't think of a better uniform in fiction.
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daeb68 No.27873
WoK uniforms are peak Trek uniforms. Anything else falls short.
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2d6e28 No.27886
The probably resemble the original spirit of ST the most or SciFi in general. They remind me on East German or Soviet SciFi movies from the 60s, of which ST was influenced by. Not saying they were good or bad, but if you want some real aesthetic retro-SciFi style, this is your uniform.
Regarding that, modern North Korean architecture remind me eerily of retro-SciFi.
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dbd3f6 No.27888
>>27838
The Motion Picture uniforms are literally not uniforms. Practically ever character in that otherwise superior film has a different costume, even down to little detail flourishes like Spock's collar, Uhura's belt buckle size, and Decker's cock bulge. That's not a "uniform". That said, Shatner's was probably the best looking of the bunch, as has been mentioned, with his tight-fitting polo shirt being particularly sharp. White was always the superior command color. Medical should have gotten metallic silver fabric or something.
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d1af79 No.27894
>>27888
>and Decker's cock bulge.
Well, he was within eyeshot of a hairless girl.
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5d177a No.27896
>>27860
Only on one side and those rank insignias are mess that aren't easily recognizable. While in general red uniforms are the best Trek uniforms, the rank insignias are the worst in all Trek uniforms.
Since we are talking about uniforms, those were one very few good things in Jar Jar Treks.
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2ebb45 No.27905
>>27896
Whenever Hollywood wants to make dashing "dress uniforms" in SciFi or fantasy, they always go for Wehrmacht grey. I guess Hugo Boss did achieve something after all.
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d03c60 No.27908
>>27853
>>27896
TOS uniforms are actually worse for rank as you can't see rank unless you look at the wrists of a person which 9/10 are completely obscured. The WoK at least have it where you can look and honestly it only needs a redesign to the pips to makes them stand out more.
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10d880 No.27946
>>27852
The colors are on the cloth where the rank stripe is, watch carefully.
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825557 No.27949
>>27946
I'm aware the colors are on the stripe and turtle neck, I'm saying those were too subtle, and frankly some of them clashed fucking horribly with the red tunic. different colored tunics, with whitish turtle necks and stripe for all would have looked better and fit in more with the TOS suits and TNG onward suits
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fc7e04 No.27952
>>27949
>I'm aware the colors are on the stripe and turtle neck, I'm saying those were too subtle
I know. Look at modern militaries where our generals where pure yellow shirts to distinguish them from redshirt grunts.
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fc7e04 No.27953
>>27952
>where
Jesus…I'll show myself out.
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2fe0cf No.27967
>>27952
Well look at some Afrikang Militaries.
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dbd3f6 No.27972
>>27896
the rank insignia are more recognizable than you're giving them credit for, anon. Enlisted, Officers, and Flag Officers are all easily distinguishable by uniform design (crewmen) or major uniform element like piping or trim (admirals). Within each of those 3 major rank tiers, the insignia go from less complex / smaller to more complex / larger. You would quickly learn to spot the differences and be able to identify rank within personal proximity.
>>27905
Don't be deceived, anon. Those designs from JJ Trek are intentionally derivative of Soviet communist uniforms - particularly the hats - and grey is inferior to the red
>>27949
>WoK colors were too subtle
Nonsense. They featured bright, colorful shirts that could be combined with vests or worn without the jacket when departmental affiliation is really important. That's the thing, though, it rarely is and when it is it's usually amongst treams of crewmen doing types of grunt work.
I've posted this in the actual uniform autism thread i think, but in my head canon that red color is the actual default Starfleet uniform color. Anyone can wear it. "Command" color is actually white
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181a41 No.27973
>>27972
Those grey uniforms make them look like a space reich.
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65c707 No.27978
>>27972
Command is lime green and fuck anyone who disagrees with me. Kirk's green outfit is best.
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27e70f No.27981
>>27908
You can see one of the arms in most cases, that is why cuffs are effective place for rank insignia. Rank insignia in most real life uniforms tend to be in some combination of being shown on cuffs, arms, epaulettes on shoulders and collars. Head gear is occasionally tied to the ranks as well. Typically at least one is indication of rank easily visible on glance at distance and from all directions. It boils down to practicality. In days of black powder uniforms were bright due to friend or foe identification as battlefields were smoky as fuck. Once combat ranges increased with smokeless powder, camouflage became a factor. Now rank insignia is hidden on chest in most combat uniforms due to optics and snipers becoming far more common than those used to be in past.
>>27972
It isn't just direction where it is visible from, it is also about distance. Petty officer insignia are easily the worst offender, but LTC/COM is also pretty hard to differentiate from distance. If everything you can see from distance is that someone is enlisted, officer or flag officer, it isn't really gonna cut it.
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dbd3f6 No.27983
>>27981
You're missing my point. the enlisted / officer / flag uniform distinction (basic visual profile of the person) is only your lizard-brain's first pass at pattern recognition. At this point, it's narrowed-down and recognizing the specific rank of the person is presumably just a matter of how big the shiny cluster is on their rank tab.
You're thinking about the issue and asking why and that's a noble thing, to be sure, but the whole point is that these people are trained to the point of not having to think about it. I'm sure if it was a problem, all these navies with rank insignia that seem to us to be ambiguous would have long since streamlined them or just gone with stripes across the board.
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202b6b No.28083
>>27838
I prefer the motion picture uniform and it's my favorite Star Trek movie but as thoughtfully designed as everything was it was all too dated to last into the sequels so the design changes are understandable. The Motion Picture was bordering on disco trek with color schemes and shapes that were popular at the time. Still, just look at this shit. Open collars. No belts but fuck you HUGE BELT BUCKLE so bitches know they're about to get some power dick. Mccoy's collar is soaked in pussy juice and cocaine.
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62d7ec No.28084
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90a656 No.28086
>>28083
This is my fav because it actually looks like wearable but also space related clothes. Like the betacloth shirts of Apollo. I mean humans hav been wearing pants/leggings[hose] + shirt/tunic for hundreds and hundreds of years. I don't get why that would suddenly change.
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3de625 No.28101
>>28083
That Kirk uniform there looks like something Billy Herrington would wear
>>28084
Kek'd
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d3e59f No.28135
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22aa7a No.28199
>>27983
Rank insignia isn't about recognizing people you know. It is about recognizing rank of people you don't know. People learn to recognize people in their own unit easily without even taking a look as voices tend to be recognizable.
You are missing two or few other parts of rank structure. Both enlisted and officers are split into junior and senior ranks. Then there are true mysteries of command structure like warrant officers, specialist officers and uniformed non officer specialists working in officer positions, bureaucratic walking contradictions.
When it comes naval, army or air force rank insignia, even marines if they aren't part of army or navy. They tend to be fairly similar in most military organizations. Most of the military organizations have made conclusion that people can count to three. There are usually one rank insignia device for junior enlisted and another for senior enlisted, same thing with officers with junior/senior division and then there is another device flag officers. US army/marines/air force officer rank insignia where all officer ranks have their own insignia device is exception from the norm.
Probably the part where Star Trek in general goes most wrong with uniforms is what people actually wear in military. IRL people wear the most comfortable and least formal uniform they are allowed to wear. Usually combat/utility uniform, working uniform, flight suit or something else along to those lines. People wear service or dress uniforms only when they are ordered to do so by superiors or because rules and regulations require them to do so. This something ENT gets right with those coveralls.
>>28086
>This is my fav because it actually looks like wearable but also space related clothes.
Except the reality was that actors demanded new uniforms for sequels because most of the TMP uniforms were uncomfortable as hell and unwearable in practice. Especially one piece spandex jumpsuits. To the point that going to bathroom required assistance as removing it by yourself was annoying as fuck. Roddenberry had hardon for spandex… whole thing repeated itself with TNG. For third season Patric Stewarts chiropractor recommended him to sue Paramount for spinal damage if they didn't change the uniforms. He threatened studio with lawsuit and suddenly they got rid of spandex.
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5fc3a7 No.28200
>>28199
>Probably the part where Star Trek in general goes most wrong with uniforms is what people actually wear in military. IRL people wear the most comfortable and least formal uniform they are allowed to wear. Usually combat/utility uniform, working uniform, flight suit or something else along to those lines. People wear service or dress uniforms only when they are ordered to do so by superiors or because rules and regulations require them to do so.
I agree. To me the best example of a "Trek" show getting it wrong is STD. It doesn't look like something that an officer would wear every day. The shiny parts (gold or silver) belong to a dress uniform. The pants are way too slim, the same goes for the jackets, it's like the actors can't breathe. The ranks pips are tiny and on the badge so it's hard to see.
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af1991 No.28205
>>28199
>You are missing two or few other parts of rank structure. Both enlisted and officers are split into junior and senior ranks. Then there are true mysteries of command structure like warrant officers, specialist officers and uniformed non officer specialists working in officer positions, bureaucratic walking contradictions.
was trying to keep it simple. we know warrant officer-types and specialist officers that are sort of not really officers but hold the rank exist, but that was never really fleshed-out. What makes it even more complicated is when they pull shit like "Colonel West" just to make a cheap reference, but it possibly throws the entire canon into chaos. But again, i was trying to keep it simple.
>Probably the part where Star Trek in general goes most wrong with uniforms is what people actually wear in military. IRL people wear the most comfortable and least formal uniform they are allowed to wear.
Another reason why i liked WoK uniform. It gave a lot of options. As much as I have sentimental attachment to TNG, the pajama uniforms all throughout that era were the worst in terms of practicality. You're absolutely right about the spandex.
>>28200
its a track suit combined with something elvis or elton john would wear on stage at their most flamboyant. It's very 70's. The entire show has a very fabulously gay aesthetic about it, but this has all been said before.
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eccb2f No.28209
>>28200
>be starfleet officer
>get transferred to a new division
>have to break in a whole new pair of boots just because some asshole decided to put matching color coded embellishments even on the fucking shoes.
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daeb68 No.28214
>>28200
Holy saddlebags. Thighs != hips.
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d1af79 No.28314
>>28199
>This something ENT gets right with those coveralls.
You're damn right. Those practical-and-comfortable uniforms were totally believable as a midway point between a NASA-like jumpsuit and a TOS uniform. They were perfect for a not-really-military crew on an exploration mission. Someone in an Enterprise jumpsuit would fit right in on the ISS, or vice versa.
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0d6992 No.28315
>>28199
But spandex is more futuristic.
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6dfb85 No.28327
>>28314
Didn't the ENT uniforms first show up in that Voyager episode where they found the missing mars mission? If so, then it pretty much is a NASA uniform.
>>28199
>IRL people wear the most comfortable and least formal uniform they are allowed to wear.
I don't know about that, other than the TMP spandex and early TNG uniforms- most Federation outfits look pretty comfortable.
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023798 No.28348
>>28205
>tracksuits in space
All I can picture is Slav Trek now.
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