49f6a8 No.27477
Just rewatched DS9 and that ending (minus the prophet's) hit me fucking hard. TNG never seemed to end, TOS ended too abruptly, but DS9 reached a climax. People changed, finished arcs and goddamnit watching them all leave made me want to cry, even if it's the second time I've seen it.
What are /strek/'s thoughts?
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49f6a8 No.27478
also, check out this captcha, very fitting for DS9's ending.
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57f437 No.27482
>>27477
It was surprisingly good, considering how much the last season annoyed me. TNG's comfy not-really-the-end finale fit the show well, but as you say, it didn't have nearly the emotional impact of DS9's. Voyager's finale hit us hard in the feels, too, but that was only because we were all glad it was finally over not to mention aggrieved at witnessing the last nail getting pounded into the Borg's coffin.
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d90ea1 No.27485
Voyager finale was funny enough the best one. Not just because it ended the series thank fuck but they actually planned it out. DS9 finale was sort of rushed and didn't really work in most cases.
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57f437 No.27487
>>27485
I keep hearing rumors that the writers had an 8th season planned that would have made everything work out cleaner.
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d90ea1 No.27489
>>27487
DS9 always had an 8th season planned. Pretty much confirmed in every interview they had. Which is why towards the end Season 7 was rushed. Dominion War was meant to last 3 not 2 years.
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49f6a8 No.27491
>>27489
>>27482
Fucking space lizards?
>>27485
did we watch the same finale? DS9 did feel pretty rushed because they had so many different plotlines to wrap up, but I felt like 7 seasons was enough.
>>27487
>>27489
I feel like 8 would've dragged it out for too long. All that felt truly underdeveloped was Ezri, and quite frankly she isn't worth what could be a filler season.
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b80ee9 No.27507
>>27477
>Dominion War gets wrapped up by Odo talking to the Founder
>Prophet storyline gets wrapped up by Dukat and Sisko comically falling off a cliff
>everyone has a nice flashback scene remembering the good ol days though OOPS we can't have Jadzia for Worf sorry about that
The ending was hilariously bad. TNG had a perfect book ending with Q and a look back to the first episode and one potential future. VOY was meh, but at least they got back home. They really needed one last episode to show everyone back on Earth and dealing with the last 7 years. ENT's ending was miserable and the only decent thing in it was scenes with Shran. TOS didn't have a proper ending show-wise, so that can't be counted.
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0d2ed1 No.27508
>>27507
>ENT's ending was miserable
It was the best because it had TNG cast in it.
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5cc88a No.27511
>>27507
>They really needed one last episode to show everyone back on Earth and dealing with the last 7 years
I agree, Voyager's ending felt a little abrupt, I would have loved to have seen the characters settling in back on Earth & Harry Kim finally getting a promotion. We do see him as captain in the future but it's not the same.
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535ef4 No.27518
>>27511
Paris only got promoted, demoted, and promoted again because he gave the Captain tingles.
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50f5ec No.27520
>>27485
They made it home.
It's a real ending unlike ENT and TNG
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cddcae No.27531
>>27520
TNG had a real ending that neatly bookended the pilot episode. Sorry if it was a little more cerebral than most TV sci-fi, and wasn't sufficiently "pew pew laser gun battle" for you.
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c0e108 No.27553
>>27507
What're you talking about? DS9 ending was great. The whole marriage to Worf thing and shoehorning Enzi in stunk, but the Dominion wars and prophets story lines was above decent.
TOS can end with Star Trek 4: TVH
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57f437 No.27554
>>27553
>prophets story lines was above decent
Shoo shoo, back to trannypol with you.
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c0e108 No.27567
>>27554
Weak
Can't even say why he didn't like it.
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95fb7e No.27576
DS9's finale is nine episodes long and it suffers from some really bad pacing, like they hadn't thought it through properly. Three whole episodes are devoted to Ezri and Worf going missing and getting captured by the Breen, then they escape and return to the station practically off-screen. The B-plot while that is going on is that Sisko wants to build a house. The C plot running through all of it is Dukat and Winn meeting and trying to read a book.
It would have been better to tighten up the plots in each episode so they aren't so thin and make the situation on Bajor more substantial, something along the lines of Winn using divine revelation to reform the religion to follow the Pah Wraiths while Sisko is off fighting the final battles of the war.
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698b74 No.27577
>>27477
TNG easily the best Trek finale, it isn't even close. Voyager was kinda 'meh and ruined the borg even further. I never cared for DS9 too much. TOS didn't have finale.
>>27508
That is exactly why ENT finale was so horribly bad. Final episode of the show is effectively pretending to be deleted scene from another show, that is ironically the one thing it accomplishes, scenes that were left on cutting room floor for a very good reason.
>>27531
This.
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15a7b4 No.27590
>>27576
>>27576
>Dukat and Winn meeting and trying to read a book
How anyone could see that description and defend the absolute afterbirth that is the sub-Buffy Pah-wraiths storyline and conclusion I'll never know.
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96e8f9 No.27597
>>27577
>pretending to be deleted scene from another show
That's the part that really annoyed me. It took place during a fucking TNG episode. If they had made it be at some point long after TNG, and it's about Riker dealing with some issue as captain on a ship of his own, and they also used it as an excuse to drop some fan service hints about how the rest of the TNG crew is doing 15 years later or something, it might have been slightly more well received. But no, it just retroactively ruins a TNG episode as well as fucking over ENT.
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bb1a5c No.27599
Everyone who is hating on the DS9 ending should understand that you can't compare a 90s show with Game of Thrones or The Expanse or whatever. The serialized concept was pretty new at that time. The fact they gave us a completely serialized finale over nine episodes was groundbreaking, of course there are gonna be hick ups here and there. It had a final battle (Invasion of Cardassia), it had a final "boss fight" (Dukat vs. Sisko), plus character development. The fact that it wasn't executed like a Game of Thrones season shouldn't make the appreciation smaller.
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bb1a5c No.27600
>>27508
Riker was fat as fuck in that one.
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bb1a5c No.27601
>>27491
Ezri was only in the show because DS9 could never escape the 90s/80s show paradigms. A regular dies off, you need to introduce a replacement. You can find this in literally all SciFi shows from that time, like Stargate, etc.
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962882 No.27603
>>27597
It doesn't ruin Pegasus for me, but Pegasus itself contains enough development for Riker to reach his conclusions, so it is completely unnecessary. I agree on that it probably would have worked better if set after TNG and TNG movies… but it would have been far better as actual Enterprise episode,
>>27599
I don't hate DS9 or its ending, but it is kinda 'meh for me. The yard stick for DS9 for me is Babylon 5. That was far more serialized and without going too deep into fuck up that was Babylon 5's final season, really half an season stretched to extreme, second half 4th season contained content intended to run until first half of 5th season. The theme of 5th season was now that epic wars were done, now you have to deal with consequences of stuff you have done. That didn't really happen in DS9.
Generally DS9 is in uncanny valley between 90's episodic show and serialized show. It doesn't fully commit into being serialized like its contemporaries like Babylon5 and Buffy for example. It is product of its time, when TV was changing from strictly episodic to modern long form drama.
>>27601
They also needed some eye candy.
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95fb7e No.27631
>>27599
I don't have to compare it to anything but itself. The finale is very thin in plot when it begins, Ezri and Worf getting lost is not enough of a story to sustain two or three whole episodes when the show has already done Worf and Jadzia in a jungle or Odo and Quark on a mountain in one. After that it picks up speed and the Dominion war itself is handled just fine, but having had lots of excellent episodes featuring Dukat and seven years to prepare for the ultimate purpose of the Emissary, there's no excuse for dropping the ball on such a shallow, half-hearted conclusion. Sisko specifically was conceived by the Prophets, had his life influenced by them several times, given divine revelations, all so he could finally show up and push Dukat over a ledge. It doesn't require two decades of collective industry experience to see that this is insufficient.
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