fb1848 No.15306
>BEEP BOOP! COMING THROUGH!
So in the grand scheme of things Star Trek as a sci-fi series didn't seem to utilise robots and indeed robotics in general all that much in the grand scheme of things.
Why do you think that is?
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4efb82 No.15308
Puppetry and animatronics are expensive.
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18c50d No.15309
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0b302c No.15314
>>15306
What >>15308 said. There was that one TOS episode where they stopped at a planetary fuel refinery that was completely automated, but we never saw anything like that again.
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335113 No.15316
Something something, man's drive for adventure and self betterment. All of Starfleet are there because they want to be. They could just be NEETing it up on Earth, with their holodeck waifus and replicated goods.
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7788ba No.15318
They have the Soong-type androids, automated ship systems, and holographic crew. If you confine your definition of "robotics" to autonomous mechatronic systems, I suppose that just leaves the androids. Plus there was that one TNG episode where that lady invented repair drones that were so adaptive they became intelligent and started to fear death. Other than that, it's mostly holograms and computer beeps.
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ff92b9 No.15334
Trek is about a navy. Ship, crew, fleet battles, exploration etc. Robutts would ruin it. You need crew with heavy responsibilities rushing around busy doing the jobs like how a modern ship crew would behave. That's what makes the show work.
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0b302c No.15335
>>15334
Trek focuses primarily on the senior crew, though. If the Enterprise had a crew of 75 instead of 400, with the slack being taken up by automated systems, it wouldn't really be much different.
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335113 No.15365
>>15335
The new blood needs to get some experience in. They can't all go from the Academy to Officer over night.
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af4446 No.15366
>>15365
According to JewJew Trek they can :^)
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83126a No.15390
>>15306
Kirk argued computers and robots to death a the time.
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f85911 No.15779
>>15390
To be fair he routinely beat Spock at 3d chess
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0200ca No.15813
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8561be No.21323
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c12dbe No.21329
It's pretty standard in science fiction stories that aren't entirely about computers to ignore the full extent of what computer can do, because they break pretty much everything in a space adventure show.
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8561be No.21338
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8561be No.21339
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f85911 No.21346
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02f5b0 No.21355
>>15366
According to Jew Jew you don't even need to graduate Academy, that is worse.
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ee2712 No.21360
Overpopulation. Got to keep the numbers down by killing them off somehow.
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7b1a9f No.21410
>>15366
>According to JewJew Trek …
Opinion discarded.
>>15306
For the same reason all of soft sci fi does exactly the same thing. It's about people rather than the tech. We know that by TNG at least they had the hardware and software to build completely unmanned ships that would outperform any vessel with a humanoid crew. You could suggest that humanoids are needed for research and exploration, but considering that the research we see on the show is a member of the crew telling the computer to 'do research at this sample' that's not much of an argument. It's fairly obvious why they show decided to go that way, but there doesn't seem to be a good - in universe - reason for it.
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f2d4c0 No.21621
>>21410
>Not seeing the :^)
We have a Vulcan over here!
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e8568b No.21728
>>15306
That which is imperfect must be sterilized.
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e98102 No.21729
>>21621
As I have already explained I ceased to read your post after noting that you were citing the Abrams Trek films as a source. There was clearly nothing of value to be gleaned from your message after that information became apparent. It therefore follows that your claim that anything posted after the phrase in question could have provided further information is illogical.
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d9baa1 No.21745
>>21729
Is this why Vulcans enjoy spankings?
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65926b No.21909
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308c63 No.25566
>>15306
>>15308
>>15309
>Puppetry and animatronics are expensive.
Wrong.
Considering that even Dr who can manage to make robots (pictured) and its only humans in costumed.
Also TOS did have robots so your argument is invalid.
Not only this there is always the way to go the 100% human looking ones and simply cast normal actors like in TOS and say they are robots
<They all are simply 100% identical to normal humans LEL.
Also pictured ST robots/androids. Are you seriously suggesting they can not go the TOS android rout? Give the actors some necklace and call it a day?
Essey inbound!
What really baffles me after re-watching ST especially DS9 is how little robots/androids there are.
I mean why is Quark employing people to carry drinks? Why not have a android who works for free and is not payed and obeys your every order?
There is a serious lack of robotics in day to day life.
>>21329
>It's pretty standard in science fiction stories that aren't entirely about computers to ignore the full extent of what computer can do, because they break pretty much everything in a space adventure show.
In contrast Star Wars has shit loads of robots and they are in everything everywhere.
I mean its not that expensive to simply paint the actors face or say fuck it and go the TOS/blade runner/west world way where all the servant robots are practically identical to humans.
Its really strange not thinking about robots and ignoring them completely.
Oh there is data or this 1 or 2 episodes that have some robots however the overall society is not utilizing robotics.
I mean if something needs repairing or construction why not use androids for it? If the alternative is making humans work. Why not have a battalion of androids on every ship and order them around?
Not only this androids should be everywhere resource extraction should be 1 guy in the command center overlooking legions of androids who extract and process minerals.
Star ship construction again the same thing.
After all we humans know how the human body works (2 arms 2 legs) so basing our robots on this is far more easy to us and know how they are going to use tools (exactly like a human).
>>15318
>They have the Soong-type androids,
In daily life? Basically like cars today? Working cleaning, construction and mining?
Shown on the show?
Like they show pads and replicators?
NO!
Seen in the background?
(I looked up what the brick roomba from star wars is for, in todays age I was thinking its a roomba turns out the explanation is pure star wars bullshit)
NO!
Mentioned in conversation or implied?
NO!
>holographic crew.
I give you that however you have to reach far into VOY to even see this mentioned.
Holo emitters in TNG are sparse, we don't see a ship with holographic emitters all over itself until late VOY in the most advanced new SF ship.
And we see holographic workers for other species however only in VOY and in the Delta Quadrant, and all of them are technologically inferior to the federation.
Is the federation retarded not to use holograms for all of this? Is everyone in the alpha quadrant retarded?
You can argue holograms can serve the same purpose.
Then the question the same only replace
>Why are they not using androids for X ?
with
>Why are they not using holograms for X ?
Why not have a cleaning robot on the enterprise? I mean the idea is seen as far as the Jetsons.
[to be continued]
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27c604 No.25568
>>25566
>I mean why is Quark employing people to carry drinks? Why not have a android who works for free and is not payed and obeys your every order?
I think that's a simple one, Ferengi are a commerce driven society, right? They're all about making profit and rising up in the ranks. Well by eliminating the Ferengi staff jobs sure Quark stands to make profit from the difference in wages he doesn't have to pay, however by doing so he has set in place a system that expressly prohibits any Ferengi to earn profit under him which, to my reasoning, would be a cardinal sin. Exploit your workers, tap their wages, push their limits, downsize before you need to, but never ever deny the potential for earning.
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524c93 No.25569
>>25568
Except that by decreasing costs through automation, you simultaneously remove barriers for entry into the market, and grow the market through additional consumer spending; assuming automation is viable Quark would help his fellow Ferengi more by getting androids. The more likely answer is that the returns on buying/building an android don't come soon enough to be worth it. Robot waiters have a high initial cost but next to no ongoing costs, so eventually they pay for themselves in savings compared to a waiter that has no sunk cost to hire but needs to be paid a wage. But if it takes 50 years for the machines to pay for themselves and you plan to retire in 30, there isn't much reason to upgrade. This is also assuming that your robo waiters never break down. If one of your workers breaks his leg or whatever it's pretty easy to hire a temporary (or permanent) replacement, but if a machine breaks down you need to either spend a lot of money on a new one or spend time and money on a trained professional that can fix it.
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308c63 No.25602
>>25568
Nice try however you seriously need to play the strange ideology card to make this work.
And what about the rest of the alpha quadrant?
Romulans? Cardassian? Federation?
What is their explanation?
>>25569
I like your explanation and you make a valid case only I don't think its realistic. Roombas are cheaper then humans and I think the same will be true for civilian androids in the future.
>themselves and you plan to retire in 30, there isn't much reason to upgrade. This is also assuming that your robo waiters never break down.
Great use of thinking and reasoning I applaud you.
However you are forgetting one thing in the 1950s computers where super expensive and the corporations simply decided to rent you a computer.
You simply rented it like a car, is a android rent costs less then what you pay Rom then the solution is simple.
In reality things like rented cars exist and there are standard contracts where a unintentional break down will be fixed by the corporation for free however you smashing the thing = you pay for it.
However it is possible that Ferengi are simply to insanely greedy and cheating for rent contracts to exist in their society.
The corporation will try to extract money from you by faking robot breakdowns and demanding you pay same for cars etc.
I see this as a possibility however this would be classified under
"Ferengi are comically stupid and incompetent"
That you can debate here:
https://8ch.net/strek/res/22072.html
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308c63 No.25603
UPDATE!
JESUS CHRIST!
I wanted to upload some webms to 8chan with my post.
Turns out its impossible! In like the process will go to 100% and then stop even if you leave it alone for 1h or more it will never post!
I tried everything changing browsers,uploading only 1 webm at a time however NOP always the same shit.
So i upladed the webms to external web services and link to them.
Seriously WTF!
How do you people upload webms? It never finishes for me.
Here is the post that was supposed to be here yesterday.
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>>25566
And all to this point was only civilian use.
https://streamable.com/5l4u5
Less applicable example (flying robot arms)
https://streamable.com/vi5l6
Think of the military use ships who go to combat with other ships.
Seen in TOS SF tried to implement it forgotten forever because the computer turned out to be bad.
And we are not even speaking of carriers who launch multiple robotic craft who are basically intelligent self guiding bombs.
Think something like dreadnought from VOY. Only the primary way to make war. Zero organic casualties only robots killing one another.
Who needs fast growing Jem Hadar if all you need is to manufacture a ship and it will fight for you on its own.
Think of them like of the warhead in VOY warhead.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warhead_(episode)
and how you fight a war with them this way.
I think you detected the pattern that Voyager like always was vastly superior to every trek series and its superior writing did explore the idea of robotics at least a little and tried to inject it into main trek. If we did get a continuation of trek after VOY we could have seen all this implemented what was used a little in VOY.
I argue if VOY was not shackled down by the look and feel of TNG they could and should have explored it completely I mean the seeds for this where in TOS and all its robots. However try to find me anything in TNG or DS9 that is a sufficient demonstration how robotics should change day to day life.
In conclusion I think the best option is to make all robots androids who pilot ships like the humans this way its easy to take a ship and have only the human crew fly it and its engaging to the audience.
I added a example of *androids* building a ship however its from LEXX and these are cyborgs who are building/growing a organic ship because LEXX is LEXX. Also the cyborgs are humans who got their brain removed and replaced with some electronics because this is standard procedure on the cluster and because LEXX is LEXX.
https://streamable.com/790pm
https://streamable.com/kcy6b
(I also included some clips for respective why mostly all robots are nothing more then cyborgs or human body parts in LEXX its a really interesting show)
Anyone has examples of robots being used in construction in any SF? If yes post it.
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ebc360 No.25609
>ship has a computer
>Data is an android
>holodecks are computer generated
>no robots
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dffe06 No.25610
>>25568
As long as they have a dick of course.
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ce0ccb No.25646
>>25609
See: >>25566 and >>25603
They are simply not used for things like cleaning or moving things.
In DS9 "Family Business"
There are freighter captains who make their crew move cargo by hand (!!!) because
>techno bable techno bable old transporters can not beam this biological material.
If only they did have androids to make this or if anyone of these jokers did think about replicating a fork lift.
>ship has a computer
You don't understand what androids are and what computers are.
You are writing this on a computer can you make your computer clean your room?
No.
A Roomba is a robot (not android there is a difference androids are humanoid) it can clean your room 2012 style.
Is the Roombas "brain" a computer?
Yes it has a computer inside of it that runs its software.
>Data is an android
See: >>25566 and >>25603
Data is one of a kind. If androids are utilized on ST this means the androids should be on ships like droids are in Star Wars.
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ae5234 No.25687
If they had androids then what would they do with all the population surplus? Turn them into soylant green?
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6d97d3 No.25829
>>25687
What? This dose not even make sense. Explain.
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ccb657 No.25846
>>25829
>>25687 thinks that there's a finite number of jobs available and that the more you automate the more unemployment there is, while economic theory shows this is the opposite of what happens.
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8c61b7 No.25848
>>25846
Oh look its a ancap, point and laugh.
>while economic theory shows
Want to show this theory? How about you look at some real data on unemployment and correlate it with automation.
Oh wait ancaps ignore real data.
How about you think about it for 3 minutes and realize the problem?
No?
Is it once more the classical ancap comedy show where :
1) assume sane communist goals (you must and you are doing this).
2) See that factually and logically capitalism creates insane problems and is impossible for humans with technological progress.
3) Say there is something wrong with this.
4) go completely insane and actually start arguing like you and we are living in a Technate !!!!!!!1111111ONEONEONEONE
TODAY!
Or any other form of super socialism or communism!
5) Actually think capitalism functions like a Technate!
6) Throw away Neoclassical slogans and argue for deregulation.
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5ca002 No.25974
>>25846
If everything is automated then what does everyone do?
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3f5db1 No.26004
>>25974
middle managment and quality control the shit robots do. Basically "George Jetson at the button-pushing factory"
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bdaf70 No.26044
>>25848
>sane communist
slow down there bucko
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c93ffd No.26045
>>25974
Comparative advantage. Humans specialize in things humans are naturally good at and robots are less good at (even if the robots are naturally better than humans in everything, they can't do everything at once, so specialization is required). Off the top of my head two big ones are creative enterprises—whether it's art in and of itself or functional items made creatively, e.g. mechanical watches—and the customer service industry.
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