No.84 [Last50 Posts]
A thread for the discussion of sapphic literature – everything from serious novels to short-stories and fanfics.
Can’t have a thread about sapphic literature without mentioning the original lesbian vampire story ‘Carmilla’ by Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu: https://archive.org/stream/inglassdarkly00lefa#page/358/mode/2up
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No.89
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>>84
>Can’t have a thread about sapphic literature without mentioning the original lesbian vampire story ‘Carmilla’ by Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu
Indeed. I wonder if the title 'In a Glass Darkly' (presumably referencing scrying, though I haven't read the other short stories yet) influenced the 'Scanner Darkly' title of Phillip K. Dick's novel.
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No.90
>>89
>presumably referencing scrying
then again it could be about muddied vision as opposed to clear.
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No.93
>>89
>>90
I don’t know if Phillip K. Dick referenced the title, but this is what Wikipedia had to say about the title for Le Fanu’s short story collection:
<The title is taken from 1 Corinthians 13:12, a deliberate misquotation of the passage which describes humanity as perceiving the world "through a glass darkly".
Also, here is an original fic I found a few years ago – no lustful bloodsuckers in this one, but a sweet story nonetheless, about a tomboyish high school student who has a massive crush on one of the cheerleaders: http://www.academyofbards.org/fanfic/l/ladyd_iseeyou1.html
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No.97
>>93
>perceiving the world "through a glass darkly".
This makes sense.
>Also, here is an original fic I found a few years ago
Will check it out
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No.123
>these fics will never be real
;_;
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No.124
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No.125
>>124
OH SHI–
I don’t think I should visit Uruguay anytime soon…
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No.126
>>125
lol wrong anon, I didn't even think about the spanish
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No.128
>>126
Phew! Looks like I’ve still got a few hours left yet!
And, there is supposedly some sapphic content in this short story collection, which tries to make Lovecraftian cosmic horror erotic. I only read one story so far, and I’m not really feeling it.
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No.129
>>128
>Lovecraftian cosmic horror erotic
Sooooo tentacle porn?
I've never actually read any Lovecraft but plan to eventually
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No.131
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>>129
There might be… There weren’t any in the story I have read so far though, which in the foreword was described as the one most faithful to Lovecraft’s style. I found it pretty tame – neither sexy or scary tbh. There is a crowd-funded film (‘Call Girl of Cthulhu’) that tries to be sexy and still Lovecraftian too, but it hides behind being a comedy and in the end it doesn’t go anywhere.
I am pretty sure it had some lesbians in it though…
Think we should order a copy and send it to poor ol’ Kurt so he doesn’t have to settle for hentai on the Internet?
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No.133
>>129
>>131
Minor update regarding the Cthulhurotica book:
<IFP: In your introduction to this book, you say, “Readers expecting a collection of monster sex stories might, after all, be disappointed.” What do you mean?
<CC: I think it’s fair to say that there are people who find tentacle porn arousing. As I learned when I started reading submissions for this anthology, there are also people who want to see humans being sexually abused by each and every one of the monsters in the Mythos universe. Because of the title, I still get informed that my book is “clearly” about “something disgusting” by people who haven’t read it yet. I wanted to say at the very beginning that this isn’t the kind of book we put together. There are only a few stories that actually show monsters in a sexual way. It simply isn’t the focus of the collection.
– http://cthulhurotica.cuinnedits.com/2011/02/12/new-interview-with-innsmouth-free-press/
While I do enjoy some pulp fiction, it seems a lot of the sapphic themed books are basically PWP. I do want to give The Moth Diaries another go soon though.
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No.134
>>133
>The Moth Diaries
Well, that's another novel and movie to add to the list of things to check out.
>There are only a few stories that actually show monsters in a sexual way.
>only a few
kek
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No.144
>>134
>Well, that's another novel and movie to add to the list of things to check out.
Seconded.
>There are only a few stories that actually show monsters in a sexual way.
>only a few
And unless they are beautiful monsters like this, I am not interested. I like my monsters to be human.
And I doubt these authors can manage to make their stories as unsettling the implied coitus in HPL’s ‘The Shadow Over Innsmouth’ & ‘The Thing on the Doorstep’.
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No.152
>144
>I like my monsters to be human
same tbqhwufamalam
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No.210
>>131
>Think we should order a copy and send it to poor ol’ Kurt so he doesn’t have to settle for hentai on the Internet?
Anything to get him off the internet.
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No.236
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>>210
I think that lolcow can be milked for a few more years, unlike CWC, who should be sent to the knacker ASAP.
Now, as for fiction – I found this video a while ago, where this guy tries to imagine what a seriously written ‘Twilight’ for men would be like, but he completely leaves out lesbian vampires! What gives?
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No.255
>>236
>The story that he puts forth in the vid sounds terrrible! The humour vid you posted in the other thread was probably more accurate.
>unlike CWC, who should be sent to the knacker ASAP.
Who/what is CWC?
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No.256
>>255
>Who/what is CWC?
Wait is that Chris Chan?
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No.257
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No.258
>>257
There was a guy at my college that looked exactly like him. That guy was pretty creepy but not as deranged as CWC I hope.
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No.264
>>258
Nah, he’s probably just shitposting on /b/ at worst. If he was CWC-tier I doubt he would have attended college.
<The Well of Loneliness is a lesbian novel by British author Radclyffe Hall that was first published in 1928 by Jonathan Cape. It follows the life of Stephen Gordon, an Englishwoman from an upper-class family whose "sexual inversion" (homosexuality) is apparent from an early age. She finds love with Mary Llewellyn, whom she meets while serving as an ambulance driver in World War I, but their happiness together is marred by social isolation and rejection, which Hall depicts as typically suffered by "inverts", with predictably debilitating effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Well_of_Loneliness
<The Girls of Radcliff Hall is a roman à clef novel in the form of a lesbian girls' school story written in the 1930s by the British composer and bon-vivant Gerald Berners, the 14th Lord Berners, under the pseudonym "Adela Quebec", published and distributed privately in 1932.[1] Berners depicts himself and his circle of friends, including Cecil Beaton and Oliver Messel, as lesbian schoolgirls at a school named "Radcliff Hall" (punning on the name of the famous lesbian writer).[2][3][4] The indiscretions alluded to in the novel, including mutual fingering, cunnilingus, and "upskirting", created an uproar among Berners's intimates and acquaintances, making the whole affair highly discussed in the 1930s. Cecil Beaton attempted to have all the copies destroyed.[5] The novel subsequently disappeared from circulation, making it extremely rare.
wew
Where can I find a copy online?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_literature
Poems of Sappho translated by Julia Dubnoff: https://web.archive.org/web/20161213203852/http://www.classicpersuasion.org/pw/sappho/sappho-dubnoff-translation.htm
Most of Sappho’s poems are sadly lost, and a lot of it surviving poems are mere fragments. The Canadian poet Bliss Carman filled in the blanks in his Sappho: One Hundred Lyrics, completing the surviving fragments in the same style: https://archive.org/details/sapphoonehundred00carmrich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sappho:_One_Hundred_Lyrics
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No.357
>>93
>Also, here is an original fic I found a few years ago – no lustful bloodsuckers in this one, but a sweet story nonetheless, about a tomboyish high school student who has a massive crush on one of the cheerleaders: http://www.academyofbards.org/fanfic/l/ladyd_iseeyou1.html
that last chapter
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No.358
>>357
Last week I was looking for a story I remembered loving, but despite trying all the tricks I could think of and every search engine known to man, I couldn’t find it again. I lost a lot of saved files last year, so the link I had saved was gone as well. Then I remembered posting some of the story links on a small board on 8chan way back, and thanks to Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine I found the archived thread, and the links – turns out the author had removed the story, so I had wasted all that time looking for it. Thank fuck the Wayback Machine came through yet again, and the story was archived.
You didn’t slide off your chair again, did you?
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No.360
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>>358
>You didn’t slide off your chair again, did you?
It was unavoidable.
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No.397
Damn! I had completely forgotten about this one.
Scissored to death: Scissored to life
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No.398
>>397
Kek, I really have to watch this show. I saw the one making fun of Taylor Swift giving out gifts one night and couldn't stop laughing, but never got around to watching the rest.
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No.402
>>398
wew
Seeing how you love the dark, twisted humour of Death Becomes Here, I think you will like Scream Queens too. Be sure to avoid any spoilers though – the /bestemma/ BO warned me ahead of time, so I went in completely blind. Part of the fun is not knowing the ID of the Red Devil serial killer (or the ‘Green Meanie’ from season 2), and trying to work out the mystery along with the characters.
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No.405
>>402
>Be sure to avoid any spoilers though
Noted. I have no idea how the story goes so will be completely blind when I watch it.
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No.860
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No.861
>>860
That’s pretty neat. I’ve taken an interest in the books mentioned in HPL’s stories lately, especially as I was rereading some of the stories.
I found a digitised copy of Filippo Pigaetta’s 1591 book ‘Regnum Congo’, which is quite important in HPL’s ‘The Picture in the House’, on The Internet Archive. Sadly I found the plate/picture described in the story much less horrific than the story made it out to be. I think that is the main problem with trying to bring these esoteric tomes to life – the short excerpts and mentions of them we get in the stories are much more effective, because we imagine what is left unsaid, and that you can’t beat IRL.
That said, it looks like these fellows have done a great job visualising one of these tomes of forbidden knowledge – much better than any other attempt I have seen.
>Not quite sapphic
Sadly! Much like vampire films, maybe HPL’s cosmic horror could also benefit from the presence of lesbians?
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No.901
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>>861
>I think that is the main problem with trying to bring these esoteric tomes to life – the short excerpts and mentions of them we get in the stories are much more effective, because we imagine what is left unsaid, and that you can’t beat IRL.
Yes, I think that's partly why I try to read things before seeing their adaptations. I would much rather imagine the world and atmosphere created. Really feel that experience, rather than being shown what to think.
Here is an audiobook of Carmilla. About an hour in. Quite nice.
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No.902
>>901
That is especially true when it comes to horror, and everything with an air of mystery.
I tried reading Better off Red again yesterday, but then I came across the blatant SJW/diversity nonsense quite early on, and I put it back in the bookshelf – for good this time. Leave it to a ‘woke’ SJW author to make me not want to read about a sorority of lesbian vampires… FFS.
>Here is an audiobook of Carmilla.
Cheers! It would have been ‘wrong’ to have a male reader for this book IMHO.
Since it is a LibriVox audiobook, it might be on the Internet Archive as well, available for download in several formats.
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No.903
>>902
>I tried reading Better off Red again yesterday
I hadn't heard of it but the title alone would put me off. The inversion of ''Better off dead…" can't be coincidence?
>Since it is a LibriVox audiobook, it might be on the Internet Archive as well, available for download in several formats.
Indeed you are right!
https://archive.org/details/carmilla_s_lefanu_librivox
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No.904
>>903
I think you are right about the title, it is also a reference to the main character, a redhead named Ginger(!).
The sorority is called Alpha Beta Omega (ABO), a reference to the bloodtypes, and one character (black, of course) is called Cleo Jones, though to be fair they joke about that.
You can see the front cover in the OP >>84
If I had looked up the author beforehand, I would not have bought the book.
The search for a good book/story featuring a lesbian vampire sorority continues ;_;
>Indeed you are right!
Huzzah! That’s a first.
LibriVox and the Internet Archive are doing good work; the Internet would not be the same without them.
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No.905
>>904
>LibriVox and the Internet Archive are doing good work; the Internet would not be the same without them.
>inb4 they're shut down
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No.957
>>905
Given the recent wave of censorship (the YT adpocalypse & Alex Jones being purged from all social media in a coordinated effort), I would not be surprised if SJWs & companies would target the Internet Archive.
There is a lot of controversial content being hosted on the site, and that could be used by these regressive assholes to attack it and try to censor whatever they don’t like under the guise of moral outrage.
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No.964
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No.966
>>957
>There is a lot of controversial content being hosted on the site, and that could be used by these regressive assholes to attack it and try to censor whatever they don’t like under the guise of moral outrage.
Exactly. And in doing so, also happen to remove original documents. Can't rewrite history when people have access to the old source materials.
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No.971
>>964
Here is the gallery:
Daybreakers - Ben Rothstein Photographer (IATSE600): http://web.archive.org/web/20170916162107/http://benrothstein.com/daybreakers
I was not blown away by the film tbh. Some of the ideas were interesting, and it is nice to see a vampire film that is a sci-fi/horror combination. Sam Neill, Ethan Hawke & Willem Dafoe is in it, and Sam’s character is delightfully devilish. It borrowed some ideas from the British TV mini-series Ultraviolet from 1998, which I think had more potential.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_%28TV_serial%29
>>966
Seconded. Users can also upload whatever they want, as long as it is in the public domain, and isnt’t illegal, of course, so you have archives that SJWs would claim is hate speech.
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No.1125
>>971
>I was not blown away by the film tbh
Yeah I watched this some years ago and really didn't like it at all. Maybe too bleak or something but felt kind of icky watching it. I think ever since watching Before the Devil Knows You're Dead I find it hard to look at Ethan Hawke.
>Ultraviolet from 1998
This on the other hand was kino.
Also found a nice little collection of lit etc. here
https://mega.nz/#F!51Q0waSI!4Ut-eePQr9YSjHJJTQs7Ew
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No.1126
>>1125
>I think ever since watching Before the Devil Knows You're Dead I find it hard to look at Ethan Hawke.
Sad! I watched White Fang from 1991 several times on VHS back in the day. Really great, underrated film, and Ethan was great in it. I just now saw an article they are making a remake of it… just fuck my shit up fam.
>This on the other hand was kino.
I’ve been meaning to get this on DVD. Only seen some rather low quality rips so far, and the DVDs have audio commentary tracks on the eps too.
Speaking of lit collections, here is a /sapphicafterdark/ collection:
http://btdb.to/torrent/GmQg5dMX9qIVBq2QPdYMi1NAY3qdjyI2E4.html
I can’t vouch for the quality of the stories – yet! I could all be Chuck Tingle-esque nonsense, but worth looking into.
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No.1129
>>1126
>I watched White Fang from 1991 several times on VHS back in the day.
Definitely watched this more than once as well when younger. Loved it. Have read some Jack London (a short story or two) but not read this one yet. I liked Ethan Hawke for years too. But ever since Before the Devil.. I've found him kind of repulsive. I think the only movie that wasn't too bad was Before Midnight.
>I just now saw an article they are making a remake of it… just fuck my shit up fam.
Hollywood needs to be nuked.
>Speaking of lit collections
>5gigs
Wew. Thanks for the link.
>webm
>hot
Is there more like this in the movie?
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No.1356
>>129
Whenever I see someone bring up tentacle rape/porn I always think of Kurt.
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No.1357
This arrived in the mail today (along with some other books). Seen several editions/translations around, though I am mostly familiar with Julia Dubnoff’s translation, which can be read online >>264
How Gay Was Sappho? - The New Yorker: http://archive.vn/3Mf8J
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No.1380
>>1357
>This arrived in the mail today
Lovely.
>How Gay Was Sappho? - The New Yorker
<“As far as I knew, there was only me and a woman called Sappho,” the critic Judith Butler once remarked.
Wew lad. Must be hard to live with such a humble nature as this.
<Four centuries after her death, scholars at the Library of Alexandria catalogued nine “books”—papyrus scrolls—of Sappho’s poems, organized primarily by metre.
This still kills me, thinking about everything that was lost there.
On the question of how personal her poems were; I imagine that, if she was writing poems referencing her brothers by name then, at least some of her poems were personal.
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No.1392
>>1380
>Must be hard to live with such a humble nature as this.
Oh, jeez. Just looking her up on DuckDuckGo now, and her opening paragraph on Wikipedia is rather off-putting to say the least.
>This still kills me, thinking about everything that was lost there.
IK, just all this knowledge about the ancient Greek world gone forever, with only some remnants surviving. Sad!
>On the question of how personal her poems were; I imagine that, if she was writing poems referencing her brothers by name then, at least some of her poems were personal.
I looked up one of her devotees from Roman times, the poet Catullus, and his article says that he wrote chiefly in the neoteric style of poetry, which is about personal life rather than classical heroes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catullus
Sappho isn’t listed as one of the Greek Neoterics, but she ought to, since epic poetry about heroes was the norm.
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No.1397
>>1392
>Just looking her up on DuckDuckGo now, and her opening paragraph on Wikipedia is rather off-putting to say the least.
That reminds me, I've been following this channel about The Grievance Study Affair.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzk08fzh5c_BhjQa1w35wtA/videos?
You might be interested in checking it out. It's starting to heat up in the latest uploads.
>Sappho isn’t listed as one of the Greek Neoterics, but she ought to, since epic poetry about heroes was the norm
<Their poetry is characterized by tight construction, a playful use of genre, punning, and complex allusions.
Sound like how her work is described. Plus she had her own system of meter didn't she?
Wasn't there something in the previous article (How Gay Was Sappho?) about some scholars thinking she adapted or used the Iliad as inspiration for some of her work?
Perhaps she was a mix, or just one of a kind.
Just hurry up and find a hidden stash of all of her work already archaeologists!!
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No.1398
>>1397
<Neoterics were a series of avant-garde Greek and Latin poets who wrote during the Hellenistic period (323–31 BC).
Though I just realised that was well after her time. So I guess the concept didn't yet even exist for her to be categorised as such. It would be like categorising Greek drama under Naturalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(theatre)
If that makes sense.
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No.1593
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No.1975
<The Flowers of Evil, which T. S. Eliot called the greatest example of modern poetry in any language, shocked the literary world of nineteenth century France with its outspoken portrayal of lesbian love, its linking sexuality and death, its unremitting irony, and its unflinching celebration of the seamy side of urban life. The volume was seized by the police, and Baudelaire and his publisher were put on trial for offence to public decency. Six offending poems were banned, in a conviction that was not overturned until 1949. This bold new translation, which restores the banned poems to their original places and reveals the full richness and variety of the collection, makes available to English speakers a powerful and original version of the world. Jonathan Culler's Introduction outlines this vision, stressing that Baudelaire is more than just the poet of the modern city. Originally to be called `The Lesbians', The Flowers of Evil contains the most extraordinary body of love poetry. The poems also pose the question of the role of evil in our lives, of whether there are not external forces working to frustrate human plans and to enlist men and women on appalling or stultifying scenarios not of their own making.
The mention of the “flowers of evil” lamps in the Art Nouveau style in Let’s Scare Jessica to Death (1971), and the possible visual reference in The Neon Demon (2016) makes a lot more sense now.
Gonna check this collection out, along with some other books in the decadent style of the fin de siècle; Joris-Karl Huysmans’ ‘Against Nature’ & Oscar Wilde’s ‘The Picture of Dorian Gray’.
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No.2871
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Carmilla readings by Elise and Natasha.
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No.2873
>>2871
The two of them should do a audiobook version of the novelization of the webseries tbqh.
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No.2891
Was looking up Erichthonius of Athens in Encyclopædia Britannica (Ninth Edition, obvi.), when I found an article on Erinna.
<ERINNA, a Greek poetess, the contemporary and friend of Sappho, was probably a native of Rhodes or the adjacent island of Telos, and was born about 630 B.C. Although she died at the early age of nineteen, her poems were amongst the most famous of her time. Of her best known poem, called Ἠλακάτη (the Distaff), which contained 300 lines, only four lines are now extant. It was written in a mixed dialect of Dorian and Eolian. Three epigrams in the Palatine anthology are also ascribed to her; but two of these are possibly spurious. Another poetess of this name is said to have flourished in the age of Demosthenes, but her existence if a matter of considerable uncertainity. The Erinna fragments were collected in Bergk’s Poetæ Lyrici Græci (Leipsic, 1867).
Erinna, in Encyclopædia Britannica – Ninth Edition – Volume VIII: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.209719/page/n537/mode/2up
Erinna: The Distaff: http://www.attalus.org/poetry/erinna.html
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No.2893
>>2873
>The two of them should do a audiobook version of the novelization of the webseries tbqh.
I'd listen. Only gone through the first two chapters with Elise reading, and she's still pretty adorable.
>Of her best known poem, called Ἠλακάτη (the Distaff), which contained 300 lines, only four lines are now extant
Still raging at all of the lost texts.
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No.3307
>>2893
Getting a copy of the novelization of the webseries; what they really should have done is to get the cast to reprise their roles in audio dramas to continue the story of the webseries. In the UK audio dramas are quite popular, and you have countless original Doctor Who stories done that way.
Came across this book on the front page of Wikipedia. This whole lesbian pulp fiction sub-genre might be worth lokking into: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_pulp_fiction
<Did you know…
<… that Women’s Barracks (cover pictured), regarded as a classic of lesbian pulp fiction, was banned in Canada and became the first paperback-original bestseller in the United States?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Barracks
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No.3308
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No.3559
Got a giftcard for Christmas, and I am still looking at books. Aickman had been on my radar a while back, but it was only after I read the blurb on the back of The Late Breakfasters from 1964 (reprinted by Valancourt Books) that I was aware he wrote about lesbian relationships as well. Sounds like it might be another downer story, and Louise may or may not be a ghost…
<In The Late Breakfasters, young Griselda de Reptonville is invited by Mrs. Hatch to a house party at her country estate, Beams (which, incidentally, is haunted). There, amidst an array of eccentric characters and bizarre happenings, she will meet the love of her life, Louise. But when their short-lived relationship is cruelly cut short, Griselda must embark on a quest to recapture the happiness she has lost.
https://www.valancourtbooks.com/the-late-breakfasters.html
<Lesbian relationships clearly fascinated him. They form the clear subtext of a story such as "The School Friend", but even so that self-consciousness never impedes the advent of paranormal dread. His novel The Late Breakfasters, though not formally a ghost story, has a heroine who falls in love with an elusive maid she meets in a supposedly haunted country house. To love outside the norm, Aickman suggests, will always lead you into the realm of shadows.
Robert Aickman's cult horror books are being resurrected for the centenary of his birth - Features - Books - The Independent: https://archive.vn/2gsoR / https://web.archive.org/web/20140808061657/https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/robert-aickmans-cult-horror-books-are-being-resurrected-for-the-centenary-of-his-birth-9655487.html
Valancourt Books specialises in rare, out-of-print books and the genres Gothic, horror and romance, and boasts a gay literature category, but other than The Late Breakfasters and Carmilla, it looks like it is all gay male fiction. Sad!
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