No.13199
>tfw your ingroup was calling people NPCs before it was cool
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No.13200
>>13199
I have been expecting the requisite virtue signal from him for days.
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No.13201
shit is yudkowsky altright ?
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No.13202
Yeah, I was also feeling cheated that they are stealing our meme.
But I guess it's really an independent innovation, and actually a different idea. NPCs in games have several different properties, so if you use them as a metaphor it can mean different things, and the meaning of the meme naturally morphs.
In the original LW article from 2013 (https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/cenSWez9Ddgsjd5Fc/to-what-degree-do-you-model-people-as-agents), Swimmer963 actually talked about several different things:
1. being problematic for solipsism (i.e., having a subjective experience)
2. being conscientious/agenty
3. being morally blameworthy/praiseworthy
and it's not at all clear that these should coincide. The sense that Yudkowsky picked up and used is (2).
When /v/ invented the idea in 2016 (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/npc-wojak), it was as a comment to a study about how often people have internal monologues, so it's really in sense (1). But someone could have no internal experience and still be agently, e.g. think of the Scramblers in Blindsight.
Finally, the more recent use of the meme (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-ban.html) seems to focus on
4. repeating a small scripted dialog
which is something NPCs in video games do, and also describes the situation when mainstream journalists and bluechecks coordinate on a particular way to tell a story.
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No.13203
>>13201
No, but Harriezer is
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No.13204
I propose a compromise solution.
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No.13213
>>13199
The same is true for using the term "virtue signalling". How did it make it to the mainstream, anyway? Was there a particular article?
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No.13217
>>13213
Yeah, I'd like to know too. I'm torn between "this kind of history-of-ideas is something that Google should be able to algorithmically trace" and "thank god we're not that legible yet".
Anyway, I'm certain that LessWrong was even first. I think the earliest usage of the term there was around 2009, while per Wikipedia
> In the mid-2010s, many users on internet forums and social media gave 'virtue-signalling' a pejorative sense when they denounced such empty acts of public commitment to unexceptionable good causes such as changing Facebook profile pictures to support a cause […]
and apparently the earliest known use is from 2004 (https://www.wordspy.com/index.php?word=virtue-signalling)
So maybe LW just picked up on something that was already in the air at the time.
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No.13218
>>13217
I mean, I'm *not* certain
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No.13229
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No.13230
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No.13231
>>13230
I'll never be able to fuck either of them, but at least the one on the right will tell me that she loves me.
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No.13232
>>13231
But anon, you're replacing the substance with the symbol
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No.13233
>>13232
Not the guy you're talking to, but I prefer to think of it as replacing a shitty evolutionary compromise with delicious distilled superstimulus.
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No.13271
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No.13277
>>13271
>>13274
Where are these posts from? They seem familiar.
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No.14516
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html
>By Feb. 25, Dr. Chu and her colleagues could not bear to wait any longer. They began performing coronavirus tests, without government approval.
>Federal and state officials said the flu study could not be repurposed because it did not have explicit permission from research subjects; the labs were also not certified for clinical work. While acknowledging the ethical questions, Dr. Chu and others argued there should be more flexibility in an emergency during which so many lives could be lost. On Monday night, state regulators told them to stop testing altogether.
Thank you based NPCs. Very cool!
I wonder how many bureaucrats one would have to murder their way through before finding someone willing to bend the rules during a developing emergency. Over or under the number of people who will die from COVID-19 due to any effective response being obstructed?
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