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File: 5569734085ca8ec⋯.png (109.97 KB,611x578,611:578,great filter.png)

 No.12589

Does pic related solve the Great Filter problem?

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 No.12590

Space is extremely empty, and there are natural signals to compare to.

I haven't done the math, but the chance that people involved with SETI haven't is nil.

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 No.12591

No. On cosmological timescales the time between a technological civilization arising and them conquering the galaxy is essentially an instant. Detection through broadcast is just a red herring. The existence of isolated technological civilizations just happening to come into being at the same time as us is extremely improbable.

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 No.12593

>>12591

this

Exponential growth is one hell of a drug.

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 No.12706

There is some discussion at https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/17765/from-how-far-away-could-our-seti-searches-detect-and-recognize-our-technological .

Apparently, we do not yet have big enough radio telescopes to detect "leaking" Earth-like radio signals from another planet, so SETI hoped to discover an intensional signal. For example, many early SETI efforts searched for a radio signal around the "water hole" frequency, hoping that would be a Schelling point for trying to communicate with aliens.

But the great filter problem is not just about Earth-like civilizations. Fermi thought that technological civilizations should quickly become big enough to settle entire galaxies, so then the "great filter" is whatever prevents that—just inverse-square radio signals is not an explanation for that.

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