No.301981[Last 50 Posts]
Copied this thread from https://mlpol.net/mlpol/res/96492.html to get more people into the brainstorming:
Could we come up with characters and setting for a G4 spinoff show?
Hasbro has a death-grip on the names and appearances of the original ponies, but as far as I know we could still legally make a G4 spinoff as long as we never showed or mentioned the same ponies or places. I think we could come up with a new little town somewhere far from the events FiM has taken place in, and populate it with new ponies that Hasbro has no control over.
Besides, creating collaborative settings is already fun in itself too. What do you think?
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No.301982
I think it's a great idea, especially if it stays more in keeping with G4 roots than the new show ends up.
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No.301984
>>301982
That's the idea. While Hasbro seems to think that what people love is their intellectual property in the form of their characters names and appearances, this would be a project to create new characters and places but keep the style and tone that the fans actually cared about the most.
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No.301985
More posts from the original thread to kickstart this one:
For starters, I've thought about a small town that started as a logging mill at the edge of a giant forest, and has since grown to about the size of Ponyville. The fantastic forest of giant trees would have provided the town with massive logs large enough to build parts or even entire houses straight out of them, and the oldest standing buildings would even be treehouses like Twilights old library.
While the forest is massive, the ponies use it sustainably. The ponies avoid exploiting the land, and the deepest parts of the forest are still ripe for unexplored adventures.
As the logging has slowed down, farming and other more sustainable industries have settled in too, leading the logging camp to evolving into the nice little hamlet it currently is.
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No.301986
>>301985
The first character I thought of is a pegasus that loves nature. She treks in the woods helping the animals, and has a lot of first-hand knowledge about the plants and creatures that live there. Bold but not foolhardy, she basically does Fluttershy's job but is more outgoing about it.
Pic related is just an early idea I made with Pony Creator to have something to work with and bound to need changes and improvements. The original idea was to make her an earth pony so she'd have a reason to trek rather than fly over the treetops, but in a forest full of gigantic trees the ability to reach high places opens a lot more possibilities, so it's better to say she just likes feeling the ground under her hooves. No idea for the name or cutiemark yet, but they're bound to come up as the rest of the characters get planned out.
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No.301987
>>301986
At this point I must admit that pony creator doesn't really help with describing new ponies as they tend to look too bland to even give an idea of what you're trying to describe.
Anyway, the second pony I've thought of is a skilled but modest craftspony. She's the best carpenter of the town, and likes making personalized gifts to her friends. Unlike Rarity, she's happy with her small workshop and doesn't have a drive to expand her business, meaning it's often up to her friends to help her catch opportunities outside her area of expertise. Naturally this occasionally brings up some conflicts between her friends helping her expand her business, and her own love of freedom and simply doing what she likes.
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No.301988
>>301987
Yet another lumber-related idea. I ended up with several because I started by planning the premise for the new town to base the show in, but we really need to start thinking of more non-forest related ideas next or the show starts to look obsessed with the topic.
Anyway, the pony I came up with does the plans for logging operations and replants trees once they're done. She's great at getting the big picture, and is often the one to point out to her less attentive friends and co-workers when they're about to do something that would bite them in the butt later on. I think her cutiemark could be a tree in a heart, to symbolize her understanding of natural balance.
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No.301989
>>301988
Ehh how about this one for craftsman/jeweler?
I tried, my autism is not that expanded, tried to make him in style of elvish, dunno how's that.
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No.301990
>>301989
>jeweler
That actually brings up another potentially interesting feature for the setting: Underground caverns. I don't immediately have any unique ideas for them, but they could definitely hold all kinds of interesting adventures for the ponies who dare to venture there.
Actually, while writing the last paragraph I did get one idea: We could have the caverns discovered through a jewel mine ran by a stubborn old donkey, who refuses to let the occasional monsters escaping the caverns force him to shut down his mine. This could serve as an interesting location for new adventures, as well as a source of weird monsters as long as it wouldn't get overused.
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No.301991
Many years ago, I worked on one of the many fan fueled spinoffs that never got produced. It was called My Little Alcoholic and it was supposed to be a comedy. All 26 episodes were written and episode 1 was recorded, and I entirely blame the animator for it not getting off the ground. Here is every script zipped into a PDF, as well as some minor writing directions.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hcKhB26tFOyF18s5woDzI52Ln9Be1e0l
I wrote Playwright's Cocktail and For Better or Horse, and cowrote A Proper Mess and Thief in Our Mix. This is to say I have experience and if you are really committed to making a spinoff I would like to submit this as my application for writing director. And if you're really serious serious I will ask people from the old team if they want to get on board.
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No.301992
Maybe a OS/Program parody based spinoff?
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No.301993
i am not going to advertise myself but…
instead of risking using DHX style, i can make a fully functional DHX level pony puppet for adobe animate.
its a fuckton of work to do, but i managed to learn how it works, i studied them from the "wonderbolts academy" leak from 2013, and the subsequent puppets derived from it.
in short words: its possible to make it with a new design.
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No.301994
>>301993
i started to learn animation from that leak, and i got a noticeable experience since 2013
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No.301995
>>301991
the animator was…
"SK9" right?
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No.301996
>>301992
>Ubuntu has a fat ass
That's what bloatware'll do to ya.
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No.301999
>>301995
W-w-well hold on there, you weren't supposed to read this. You're supposed to be dead! I'm not insulting your skill, just saying maybe you shouldn't have rejected every single application to help that showed up on our door.
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No.302000
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No.302001
>>302000
I don't recognize the username. Were you on the project too? Or do you just know SK9?
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No.302002
>>302001
i know SK9 from pikapetey.
i was not in the project, but i saw images of sk9 working on it
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No.302003
>>302002
Oh ok. Petey was there too for about twelve hours. Then someone made fun of his grammar and he threw a fit and left.
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No.302005
>>301991
Animation is indeed the hardest and most important part of projects like this. We'll have to get any animators we can, and remind everyone that at least for the first episodes "done" is more important than "perfect".
It will be a while before we actually get to animating though. First we need C&D-proof setting and characters for the stories, as we can't use or mention any of the ponies owned by Hasbro. It will be harder to change the setting once we've committed to it, but for now brainstorming new ponies and places is something anyone can help with, and we'll settle on what of them to implement once we get to that point.
It will be wonderful to already have a team ready when we get to action, but for now we're still in the worldbuilding stage. Luckily it's also the easiest stage, so we should get enough ponies and the town planned out soon enough, and the story for the pilot written soon after that.
>>301993
That's wonderful! I don't know anything about modern animation softwares, but puppets would definitely be a huge step forward for any animation project in general!
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No.302006
>>302005
for animation softwares:
OPENTOONZ
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still, i only have experience with puppet building on adobe animate, and i am testing waters with puppet building in toonboom
opentoonz as you have guessed, is opensource, and boy, what a powerful program.
it can put up a fight with toonboom itself.
still, finding people that know about adobe animate is easier.
pic related is a work in progress of a toonboom pony puppet in show style.
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No.302007
>>302006
You need a link to an adobe patcher? Animate really is the superior software.
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No.302008
>>302007
adobe animate is easy to learn, easy to do something quick and easy to share assets between projects.
but when you know about what you can do with other programs, you will be questioning why you would use adobe animate.
in my case the answer is simple:
because other people use it.
even if i get to use another software, there will still be people that prefer adobe animate, so i need to get to know how to use it, so i can offer my work with it
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No.302051
Does anyone have the rest of this guy's stuff? He posted all of his assets that his friends never used for some project. They were gonna make their own show or something.
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No.302054
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No.302073
>>301986
>>301987
>>301988
>>301989
Bland, dull unappealing colors and generic backstory tbqh
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No.302076
Instead of trying to make a carbon copy of the original show, with the same characters, just given a new layer of paint, why not try to do so with entirely different characters instead of largely the same ones?
The original show worked in part because the mane 6 are general stereotypes that cover most personality types to some degree. The idea being that most people will be able to identify at least partially with at least 1 of them.
We can always fill in the details to give them character latter, but starting out we should just try to insure we cover all the bases.
To start you have a nature lover, craftsman/artist, you need someone down to earth who can hold everyone together, someone booksmart to explain whatever needs explaining, someone outgoing and sporty and someone introverted.
If you want to turn some of this on its head, compared to the original show, maybe a royal guard working as a sheriff in the town as the down to earth type who takes care of everyone?
Or the coach for the equestrian equivalent of a little league team, who spends his time trying to push the kids on the team to improve themselves.
It would help to determine the characters if you could find out what the core themes and conflicts in your show should be, and then making the rest to fit that, so starting with the characters may not be the best idea.
>>301986
So she's Steven Irvin if he was a pony?
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No.302089
>>302073
Well, they are just first draft prototypes made from stock assets from Pony Creator. At this point they're more of icons for the archetypes we're still working over. As for backstories, their main purpose is to give some idea of what these ponies do and how they go about their lives, and I don't think they're any worse than "bucks apples" and "makes dresses" that the original show started with.
>>302076
This is exactly what I'm already doing, coming up with archetypes but with different ponies.
-The first pony loves nature, but unlike Fluttershy she's not afraid of getting her hooves dirty in some adventures. So yeah, Steven Irwin in a body of a well-toned mare.
-The second one is an artisan that loves her craft, but instead of ambitiously expanding it like Rarity, she's more content with her place like Applejack.
-The third one is good with numbers, organizing, and practical knowledge. She has good business sense and can give exposition on related matters. In fact, many of the planned ponies can give exposition on their own specific matters, like the first one about nature, and an unicorn I'm still planning about magical matters.
-The fourth one wasn't made by me, but I just posted it here for completionisms sake and to further encourage other people to toss in their ideas too.
-Incidentally, I had already been planning a sheriff character too; a well-loved sheriff that takes pride in the "protect and serve" aspect of her job. She upholds the pony law, but sees it as more of a tool for her true job of keeping the town safe and in harmony.
I'm hesitant to make her a main character though, as having an authority figure in the main cast could easily skew a lot of things. She couldn't exactly ask her personal friends to deal justice with her, and many adventures would become either too trivial or too tedious if legal powers and limitations were included.
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No.302094
>>302089
What are the central themes and conflicts that will drive your story then?
This is you need to find out what characters you need and how they should interact, which is where you need any more detail than a general stereotype.
In short, make your characters to fit your story, don't just take some random characters and hope a story comes out of it.
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No.302099
New partypony idea started, although I think we'll need to find ways to make many of the ponies more energetic before they'll be ready for the show. This one in particular I could use some help with, as Pinkie Pie wasn't exactly my favorite pony so trying to come up with a new energetic party pony is difficult for me.
As always, the pony creator stock assets serve more like an icon for the pony being worked on than a finished model.
For this pony, I thought she could be the energetic mailmare of the town, who happens to have a lot of time for party planning and such on behalf of getting her job done in a jiffy with plenty of energy to spare. Her main modus operandi is helping ponies keep a positive attitude by keeping them from stressing too much. This advice might not be that helpful in itself, but she often brings refreshments with her which really helps her case.
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No.302101
>>302094
Slice of life style episodes, adventures in the forest and caverns, and more general ponying in the spirit of the show. Considering how important the characters were in the first place, I'm really putting a lot of focus on making a fine-tuned main cast for the show.
Some details of the main characters may be tuned for the initial episode (most of all in order to get them to become friends, and to get an audience surrogate character to move into the new town), but for the most part we need a cast of characters that make many kinds of episodes possible between them.
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No.302124
My latest idea for the cast is the main magic pony of the setting. While she has never gone to a dedicated magic school, she's an avid reader and regularly orders advanced magic books from an esteemed library to study on her own. She's not exceptionally powerful, but she has a lot of magical knowledge and often pushes herself to the brink of fainting trying to cast spells meant for much higher level unicorns.
It would be suitable to have her work at the local library herself, but I think that would be too similar with Twilight. One wild idea would be to have her be a baker, as studying and experimenting apply to both magic and baking alike. On the other hand, having her live in a classic wizard tower would be cute, interesting, and completely in the shows style, so it would be nice to come up with a profession that goes together with that.
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No.302127
>>301991
>episode 1 was recorded
wew, do you have that recording, or does one of your old team mates have it? If you could post it, I'm sure it might inspire someone here, potentially to gain a better understanding of what an episode (whatever story/world we go with) should feel like. Don't you agree?
>>302054
sorry bout that mate. I blame my 80HD. I just got so excited.
>Bartap picks up one of the empty shotglasses and magically wrings out a bit of her fur so that a
muddled brown drink falls into the glass. She levitates it to Rum Punch, who eagerly grabs it.
lmao for 1 whole minute I don't know why
Anyway I've sucked enough dick for tonight Night, /pone/
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No.302134
>>302127
I have it but listening to it makes me cringe. Very amateur voice actresses.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9mQRr7kiFdccUZscXdHRVZGclU
Also, for some reason, somebody configured permissions wrong and I have permission to share links for our original GDrive so here is
the writing folder: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5WHtv9YY6y8WGZlQWNxRVh2eDA
the visual assets folder: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5WHtv9YY6y8MGllby13cUk5V3M
the audio folder: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5WHtv9YY6y8TFZ3LURGUWJVM0U
run wild
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No.302203
Hey guys let's have an episode about a kid who thinks he's a deer, I think this will really take off.
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No.302248
>>302124
>baker
>classic wizard tower
It would actually work, and be really adorkable, if she spent way too much of her income on renting the wizard tower exactly because she knows she'll have to change careers, or homes, at some point – but can't quite let go of the idea that she's a wizard, harry – and also a baker so there's that.
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No.302578
>>302248
I agree completely, but there's one more small thing to figure out… How to fit the bakery and the tower together? Ponies tend to eat a lot of pastries and live where they work, so this would have to be a reasonably sized bakery either fit inside or connected to her tower.
Making the tower plump from the bottom could be cute to a point, but stretching it too far would just make it a round house. Anyone got better ideas?
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No.302624
>>302578
If you can't build out, build up.
The first floor is where she sells the pastries. There are picnic tables outside at which customers can eat. The second is where all the actual baking goes on (yes, she has to run up and down the stairs to get every new batch of pastry down). She lives, sleeps, and magics on the third floor.
Alternatively: Fuck it, it's magic. The tower is bigger on the inside.
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No.303582
Some recent thoughts on the show:
The nature pony should be an earth pony after all. An earth pony being down to earth makes sense already, it would have her running instead of flying around, and it would be a nice little detail to have her use her tail like Indiana Jones uses the whip. Not too often as that would make her appear as some kind of strange tentacle pony, but it would be nice in the same way ponies sometimes use their tails to wipe dust from things. Her cutiemark should be a pair of binoculars with band-aid on them, symbolizing her skill in finding and getting to those who need her help.
The appearance definitely needs to be redone from the ground up, as something more natural would definitely suit her better. My thoughts keep looping back to a mix between Applejack and Tempest Shadow, which isn't helped by the fact that last night I saw a dream about her looking exactly like that. Also, my display appears to be dying which makes my work with colors inherently skewed, so if anyone has plans or concepts for ponies that would be nice.
The logging planner pony could probably use some personalizing too, but even more so I'm starting to think she might be better off as a background pony. Meanwhile, we don't yet have any kind of civilized pony in the group, so maybe a theater actor or a dancer could work. Singer would bring a lot of trouble in the form of needing unique songs to perform in a show that's already bound to have songs in it, Rarity already did the fashionista angle, and the carpenter pony is the general craftspony of the group. A painter is definitely a possibility too, but that has a big risk of backfiring if she appeared to use her social skills for shilling her art instead of just being good. This concept still needs a lot of work, so ideas are once again welcome.
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No.303583
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No.303585
First draft of an audience surrogate main character and the introductory episode:
Dingbat (maybe even a bat pony?) is a writer who lives by the rule "understand before you judge". She's hesitant about saying anything about topics she doesn't understand, and always tries to hear both sides of an argument. She tries to be polite but sometimes inadvertently comes out as inquisitive when she can't take "just because" as an answer. Her cutiemark is a book with a cherkmark on its cover, to symbolize her strive for objectivity.
The story begins as Dingbat arrives in the new town looking to write a book about her life there. She has bought an old house that has been abandoned for a while, since the locals believe it to be haunted. The pony who sold the house never mentioned that, but Dingbat is skeptical about such stories anyway.
Right away she gets to meet the mailpony, who's supposed to help her move her stuff to the house. She doesn't seem to be taking her job too seriously, but eventually Dingbat reluctantly agrees to leave her luggage and moving crates in her care as she heads out to check out her new house.
As she gets to her new house, all her stuff is already in the house, with the mailpony relaxing in a hammock, sipping a drink from a coconut. When she notices Dingbat, she lazily puts down her drink and asks her to sign the papers before zipping away. Dingbat inspects the house, sees what furniture it needs (at least a bed, bookcase, writing table and a chair), and notices some strange noises coming from the walls. She gives a thought to the ghost theory, but thinks that some kind of vermin is more likely and moves out to find a furniture shop.
Instead of getting to a shop she was looking for, she notices the rustic store of the carpenter pony, and decides to see what kind of furniture she has to offer. The carpenter asks Dingbat a lot of questions about stuff like favorite color, favorite book, what time she goes to sleep and gets up, until Dingbat starts to get weirded out by this. Eventually the carpenter says she knows wha to do, and as Dingbat casually mentions her suspicions about pests in her walls, the carpenter tells her that if she has any problems with animals, she should seek out the nature pony.
In short, she meets the main cast, each referencing her to a pony she should go see next. As she gets home in the evening, she finds that his house is now gorgerously personalized like pony houses tend to be, with the carpenter pony telling that she did her best with the information she had. The mailpony is there since she helped carry the stuff there, the nature pony arrives to check the alledged vermin infestation, the magic pony comes to check the possible magical influences, so generally all of the ponies are in the same room at the same time. That's when the ancient secret hidden inside the old house gets revealed, and the plot proper kicks off in the next episode.
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No.303586
>>303582
>The nature pony should be an earth pony after all.
Random guy weighing in way late to this, but your explanation plays out the obvious – "ooh, earth pony connected to earth !"
Having the "nature pony" be a pegasus, regardless of backstory accomplishing this, provides a subtble boost to "be yourself" because no one expects those silly, flighty pegasi to live their life on the ground.
But this one does. Why?
Because she likes it here, that's why. Think of it as thumbing your nose at god or society or your parents, or just believing in yourself … being a pegasi who runs the local nature preserve is natural and right … if she's right for the job and wasn't forced into it by a dying cousin whose last will is actually deeply in question and our pony is working here just until the questions about the paperwork are resolved or the courts decide between the cousin's live-in special somepony, and Nature-pony's Aunt who survived and has inherited some things but not this because there was long-standing animosity between the cousin and her mom.
That would be awful. Realistic, but slightly awful.
Anyway, that's why I want to see the nature pony be a pegasus. Because being who you actually are is more important than being who the audience expects you to be.
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No.305383
I've been wondering whether it would be legal to use money on a spinoff like this. It wouldn't work in America because they recently updated their copyright law to be more vague about using the same style and mood, but would it be possible to legally use animators in some other country? After all, the videos wouldn't need to be released in any specific country as people could just privately torrent the videos wherever they lived.
So, could Hasbro stop a crowdfunded project drawn in China or India, if it technically never even entered American market?
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No.305398
>>305383
It's legal to spend money on a spinoff, you only start going into gray areas if you try to make money on a spinoff
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No.305402
>>305398
So, could collecting donations from people for hiring animators be handled legally? The "product" itself wouldn't go on sale or anything, but funding it would involve collecting money beforehand.
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No.305410
>>305402
Yes. Patreon is an example of how people legally skirt copyright, because they're not being paid for any one particular work, they being donated to for a body of services
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No.306727
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No.306736
>>302134
>getting bullied on microphone technique by a pony fanshow recording guide
JUST
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No.306739
>>306727
You have to be more enthusiastic about it yourself. An open forum is nice, but be an open forum with a central authority. You cant just say "everyone throw down ideas" cause that's too broad. Make a prompt for people to build off of. Like ask for suggestions but steer the conversation. For instance, ask questions like this:
Should the ponies live in one mixed society or should each race inhabit a specific region?
What kind of personalities would compliment/clash with X character that's we've already come up with?
Who rules the ponies?
How does magic work?
What kind of conflicts would our characters encounter?
What non-pony creatures live in the region?
Does pony society span the globe or just one nation?
Will there be musical numbers?
Will each episode have a moral theme?
What themes, if any, would be good to write an episode about?
11 minute or 23 minute episodes?
And so much more
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No.306745
>>301996
>implying that's a bad thing
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No.306753
>>306739
Thanks, I was getting worried that no one else was interested. Some specific questions I have at the moment are:
-What new mythological creatures we should use? (Jackalopes, Shoggoths, Skinwalkers?)
-Are batponies always grey with blue/purple hair, or are other colors viable too?
-What should the main town be called?
-What about names for the mane cast?
Here's answers to the example questions:
>Should the ponies live in one mixed society or should each race inhabit a specific region?
Races inhabiting specific regions with some exceptions, just like in MLP prime.
>What kind of personalities would compliment/clash with X character that's we've already come up with?
This is why the group needs a socialite, as we don't yet have any pony with a drive towards higher social circles.
>Who rules the ponies?
As a nation, the Sun Princess who won't be referred to by name. The town should probably be run by a mayor just like Ponyville is.
>How does magic work?
Just like in the original show.
>What kind of conflicts would our characters encounter?
The main priority in designing the world has been in making many kinds of stories possible. The forest could have any kinds of ruins to discover or house dangerous beasts in it. Same for the mines and caverns. The characters themselves have personalities that are bound to lead into situations where they're tested, and with Dingbat looking to write about things she'll be trying to get into other ponies shoes a lot. For the overall tone, the goal is to get as close to original MLP as possible because that's what got us into it in the first place.
>What non-pony creatures live in the region?
I've had a wild idea about asking MixerMike if we could have native Flufflepuffs in the show, but at least for the first few episodes we should stick with the original races to start the new show grounded. Native non-humanoid races are definitely needed sooner or later though.
>Does pony society span the globe or just one nation?
One nation. The colony towns have a lot of independence, but are still part of the overall pony nation based on the mainland.
>Will there be musical numbers?
Yes! There are a lot of artists in the fandom, so I'm sure lack of songs won't be a problem.
>Will each episode have a moral theme?
I've thought about bookending each episode with Dingbat writing about her experiences, but I don't think we should follow that too strictly since trying to force lessons into episodes without one tends to be awkward.
>What themes, if any, would be good to write an episode about?
That's a good question! Slice-of-life episodes are the most important, as they help establish the characters, and as an added bonus don't need as many new assets as the adventure episodes. Then there's of course exploring the new land and dealing with it's strange new discoveries. Dingbat working with different ponies, mane6 and background ponies alike to write about it. And of course threats threatening the town itself, for example creatures from the forest or the caves, strange curses and diseases, and unexpected natural phenomena.
>11 minute or 23 minute episodes?
One of the many plus sides about not doing a show for television is that the episodes don't need to be of specific length. 20 minutes is ideal, but there wont be need to cut scenes if an episode doesn't fit in it.
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No.306764
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No.306771
>>306753
>What new mythological creatures we should use?
Here are some underground creatures from Dwarf Fortress:
Green Devourer: A medium-sized monster walking on two clawed legs. It has two mouths on the ends of a pair of tentacles. It uses its mouths to digest its victims with acid and rows of razor-like teeth.
Hungry Head: A fearsome, long-toothed mouth the size of a man's head, flying on bat wings. It is found in deep caves.
Rutherer: A huge monster with an enormous tail, covered with thick fur. They run on four legs and can be found deep under the earth. Their size, coupled with the fact that they can appear in groups of two to three makes them a real danger to even experienced adventurers.
Voracious Cave Crawler: A huge cave monster with hundreds of feet moving along the bottom of its long body. In place of a head, it has an enormous toothy maw.
DF also has plenty of underground plants if you need them: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Crop
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No.306773
>>306739
>11 minute or 23 minute episodes?
Why not 45 minute episodes?
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No.306792
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>>306739
I'm not OP, but I just thought this was interesting and wanted to see if it was going to go anywhere.
>>306753
>What new mythological creatures we should use?
>Jackalope
>vid related
Looks like you're leaning towards 'Murican folklore. I like this idea; MLP and other fantasy settings tend to veer European/Greek. Lovecraft might be a little dark for this setting but it all depends on the tone we're trying to establish.
>Are batponies always grey with blue/purple hair, or are any others viable too?
I don't think we've seen them in the show; but I think combinations of blue, purple, and brown work.
>What should the main town be called?
I'm bad at naming. Could be about the mill; might be named after the founder of the mill, or a local landmark (waterfalls, rivers, which are pretty important for operation of a logging mill pre-modern technology).
>What about names for the mane cast?
>>302089 for reference.
1. Penny Esprit
2. Saw Horse Surefast Plot twist: Her name is actually Saw Horse. Ponies leave 2x4s on top of her all the time as a joke.
3. Parseley Paisley Parse
4. ???
5. Steady Stone
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No.306804
>>306753
>>306771
>>306792
Okay here's what we got:
A pony empire with colonial spheres of influence led by an unnamed sun princess. In it, there's one particular town that sprung up around a former logging camp. Necessarily, this town is in a forest. In it, there lives a baker named Dingbat who's "just doing this until my wizard career takes off" who has five friends that we've not even fleshed beyond shapeless ideas yet. There are many wild, undiscovered regions at the edge of the pony world, inhabited by creatures from primarily American culture and folk lore. We're going to have standard-ish episodes of about 23 minutes in length, though I'm not averse to >>306773 45 minute two-parters and 68 minute three-parters myself. Also there will be musical numbers.
~~~
Okay. That's settled and decided. As for the undecided stuff.
>bat ponies
I don't expect to use batponies a lot, but they'd be nice recurring characters for ponies who venture deep enough into the enchanted forests and dark parts of the world. I would prefer various shades of grey for their coats, to match where they live, which I imagine is places where the sun never or rarely ever shines. The only colors that match with any of those to me are shades of blue, purple, red, and dark grey. No black, never black.
>the town
From what I gather, it's basically an old frontier town, so it needs an old frontier name with an obligatory horse pun. You could call it Neighlem and make it a reference to Salem, Oregon. Other than that, Chestnut Oaks/Hollows/Shades or just Chestnut could be a double reference to the kind of forest they're in and the popular chestnut coat of many horses. Other than that, Stampeding/Galloping Rapids could reference the nearby river, but I didnt put as much brainpower into those ideas as that Neighlem pun.
>manemain cast
Before we come up with their names we need more personalities. Sorry to say but the only one thrown out so far that I liked was the wizard. I'm not really interested in a socialite because that's too Rarity imo and I dont wanna copy the archetypes from the show, but if you can make a strong case for one I wont oppose. We need personalities that work well with some and clash with others to have a nice variety of slice of life scenarios. Here are a list of archetypes, tell me what are your favorites, throw down the ones I missed and we'll start eliminating possibilities until we can make experimental dynamic groups from them. Once we have a workable group we'll name and style the ponies.
<authority figure
<tomboy
<delinquent
<parent friend
<comic relief
<cowgirl
<socialite
<loner
<workhorse
<adventurer
<shut-in
<bookworm
<scholar
<brawler
<party pone
<hippy
<burnout
<archeologist
<naturalist
<nun
<sycophant
<flirt
<snob
<bully
<knight
I dunno, I feel like that wasnt a long list. Expand my list with more fun personalities. Throw out ones you hate. Tell me what you liked/didnt about previous suggestions. Other things we need to work on
>buildings/landmarks in the town
>neighboring towns
>neighboring terrains (forest, mountians, rivers, meadows, etc)
>race of main cast (two of each species or mix it up?)
>racial demographics of town
>local regional monsters
>baby dragon/other pathetic servant monster?
>what are the other major non pony empires, if any?
>>306771
Dwarf fortress lore is pretty ebin but I'm not very well versed. What kinds of non hostile monsters could populate the semi-tamed regions on the pony frontier?
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No.306816
Every episode should start with "Once upon a time in the magical land of X" to give the show a sort of fantasty storybook vibe
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No.306825
>>306771
Green Devourer sounds a bit too zany, but Rutherers and Voracious Cave Crawlers sound like exactly the kind of things you could expect from vast, underground caverns. Rutherers in particular sound perfect for a cave-based feral threat similar to timberwolves in the Everfree forest.
The plants are arguably even better for fleshing out the underground. I feel like there could plausibly be a civilization of cave ponies (trotdolytes?) living down there, but it's definitely better to save that for later since establishing a friendly civilization in the caverns would instantly make them less unknown.
>>306792
>Looks like you're leaning towards 'Murican folklore.
Any mythology is still welcome. I started off thinking of Finnish and European mythology in general, but turns out very little of it outside ancient Greek is about non-humanoid creatures.
I'm still considering using Lovecraftian mythos, but the main problem with it isn't that it's dark but rather that it's hostile. Cults and mutants tend to be inherently evil, and having ponies fighting ponies in a morally black and white setting doesn't fit the positive tone of mlp.
Appearance-wise, I really like how cutely everything in Equestria is shown, and I'm sure even shoggoths and such could be animated in a friendly way. It's just that making cosmic horrors friendly would completely destroy the whole point of the cosmic horrors.
Nice names too, Sawhorse Mill is definitely going to be the name of the old mill the town is based around!
>>306804
Actually, Dingbat is the writer/audience surrogate pony moving into the town.
>bat ponies
Consensus is on grey with dark hair colors, and I agree that it's most likely the best. Having a pony of a different race in the mane cast already runs the risk of being seen as a special snowflake, so keeping her colors canonical is definitely a safer choice too.
>the town
Galloping Rapids is definitely a good name for a river. Also thanks for everyone who reminded that old mills were founded along rivers in general!
>mane cast
Calling the final missing pony a socialite is a bit too straightforward, but we do need somepony to fill that niche. Rarity was perfect in that she wasn't just a social buttefly but a genuinely productive pony as well, so it's hard to come up with someone who's both a good character and distinctly different from her.
>buildings/landmarks in the town
Buildings in general are something I'm going to need help with. Pic related is a quick and early sketch of what I'd imagine the craftspony to live in - a house in a giant tree stump. The groundfloor is her workshop, while the additional small house on top is where she lives.
The sawmill by the river is a challenge, as it needs to be large enough for house-sized trees but still cutely rustic in the style of the show.
I think the post office should be in the same building with a saloon, with the mailpony getting her drinks from her older sister running the place next door. The buiding could look like an old western-style saloon, and I've been thinking that maybe it could have vines growing all over it due to the mailpony's sister growing them herself. That's up to debate though, since if the sister is running the saloon she probably wouldn't have time for farming as well. Especially considering cutiemarks tend to signify one main profession only.
>neighboring towns
I always imagined there being a large harbor city by the coast, connected to the main town of the show with a railroad for carrying huge logs to the ships there. The city would have tall, clean white stone structures, fishing ships (for kelp), and a general air of a larger coastal city than the still modest settlements inland.
While I think having the donkey with his diamond mine near the main town itself is good for pacing, the original idea of a donkey mining town in the nearby mountains is still valid too. As dangerous and inhospitable as the location is, the donkeys live there out of sheer stubbornness. The buildings are thick, sturdy and rough to stand against avalanches, built from monolithic stones with little regard for their exteriors appearance. No pony would want to live here, but as long as there's wealth to be mined the donkey's aren't going to let the mountain defeat them.
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No.306826
>>306825
(continued)
>neighboring terrains (forest, mountians, rivers, meadows, etc)
The main town would be on the edge of a meadow on an area that's been deforested, with the edge of the forest some way from the town. The Galloping Rapids flows from the forest and through the town, leading into a lake we haven't yet thought of. The river can't flow to the ocean on the same side of the continent at least, since that would make both the train and the harbor city pointless.
There should obviously be mountains in the distance for all the adventures it enables, and while there are no doubt deserts on the continent too (with giant sand worms maybe?), they really don't fit in the immediate surroundings of the main town.
>race of main cast
I like having two of each, counting Dingbat as a pegasus for this. This also means the last mane pony to come up should preferably be an earth pony too.
>racial demographics of town
Same as Ponyville.
>local regional monsters
We need more of these. I have an idea that the reason logging as slowed down since the initial rush is that ponies ended up messing with the harmony of nature and pissing off a lot of previously unknown monsters of the forest. Since that initial time of chaos and terror, the monster attacks have been declining as the ponies learned to take a more harmonious approach to their forestry, but the town is still far from being completely safe.
>baby dragon/other pathetic servant monster?
Thought about it, but it really cuts too close to Twilight and Spike. I have thought about Dingbat using something like a pet rock or a picture of his idol for rubber duck debugging when exposition is needed, but I don't know if that went too close to Maud Pie and Cheese Sandwich. It would be cute and personal though, so what do you people think?
>what are the other major non pony empires, if any?
While writing about the dangerous mountainside where the donkeys live, I invented the first new race of the continent: Mountain goats!
Whereas the donkeys live on the side of a mountain, unbeknownst to them there's a civilization of serene, agile-footed mountain goats living in an insular community far above them. With their long white beards and coats flowing in the wind, the goats live in their glorious marble city like the gods of Olympus. Despite their apparent superiority complex they're actually very friendly, they just don't believe there's anything someone from outside their perfect society could offer them.
Now that I think about it, maybe the theme of their civilization is stagnation. Mystical ruins around the mountain could have once been parts of a great goat nation, but with an ever growing desire for leisure the goats slowly stopped caring about anything but instant gratification. The decadent city of Olympus-goatpun is now the last bastion of their race, where they have spent the last millenia on vanity, reciting old poems and eating grapes.
In the episode where the ponies finally discover the goat city, they could inadvertently shake them from their generations of stability. Something as simple as a taste of candy could be a mindblowing experience for the goats who haven't had anything new in centuries. Or maybe new stories will remind them of just how big the world outside their mountain actually is. This would inevitably bring dissatisfaction to the previously content society, so if we ever make an episode about this, we'll need to come up with a proper solution that isn't just ponies ruining an indigenous culture.
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No.308337
I've been trying to flesh out the final mane pony, but I noticed a problem with the mail pony as well: If her main personality trait is zen-like acceptance and not trying too hard, how can she be used for episodes? A character that doesn't panic and isn't afraid of failures is a good role model, but what kind of episodes could you do with someone like that?
Relegating her to a side character would be possible if a bit drastic, but what do you people say? How do we give this pony traits that make her more exciting?
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No.308392
>>308337
Sounds like background pony material, not unlike Maud. I think the "zen-like acceptance" would have to be dropped for her to be a main character. A mini quirk that works would it would bee too simple, like "oh she has zen-like acceptance but breaks that and gets triggered by broken mailboxes so mailboxes will be broken every once in a while".
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No.309904
>>308392
Indeed. The new draft for the mailpony I've been thinking of is that rather than being responsible and zen-like, she's energetic and dutiful but has a problem with procrastination. She has a relaxed attitude and can get her job done in a jiffy, but instead of having plenty of time after doing her duties for the day, she simply slacks off until she HAS to rush things to completion in a panicked frenzy. This would allow her to take setbacks and failures more seriously, and serve as a character flaw to struggle with.
Still need help coming up with the last character though. Theater director maybe?
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No.311348
>>301981
>>301981
>Could we come up with characters and settings for a G4 spinoff show?
>Could we
NO, you ALL SUCK. Any serious paid creative lead would clean the floor off with you if you dared have an idea-off with him/her.
All your ideas are unoriginal, untested and distasteful.
They're stupid, undetailed and boring.
Stop pretending you know jackshit about storytelling and world building.
Stop feeling superior over mentally retarded toy commercial executives who can barely breathe correctly. A fucking toddler can beat those literal retards at story and world making.
You would get raped by amateurs like /tg/ who practice it constantly and in return they would get anally raped by the high-end talent.
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No.312566
>>311348
I know it would be easy to give a snarky retort to this, but you just sound like you need some pity. I don't know what has happened to you, but life isn't as angsty as you feel like now. You can make nice things too and have fun while doing them.
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No.312567
>>311348
why so bitter? do you need a hug? we're here for you anon. we will give you the requisite number of hugs
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No.313693
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No.313701
>>311348
>/tg/
>good
I don't frequent the place, but I have mixed feelings about that. The problem with a lot of nerds, and normalfags alike, is that they don't know the world outside of the entertainment they consume. It's why Miyazaki voiced his distaste with "otaku", as he should anyone who gets upset over him over that have clearly been like literal fags who get angry when you tell them they're evil.
Now, you ought to explain why the anons here are creatively bankrupt. I'm a tired, lazy faggot, so I haven't read it yet (probably do it when I get up later), but from what I've skimmed through, it doesn't look all that great.
G'night /pone/.
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No.313702
>>313701
*ah
And without a frame of reference, you end up getting the same stuff.
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No.317257
The CYOA thread helped come up with some details for the setting, but I'm noticing something that might be a problem or not depending on how you look at it. I'm trying to make the town have a different style but same feeling as Ponyville, but all my visions tend to gravitate into what's basically a fantasy version of Finland.
Anyway, here's some things I came up during the CYOA thread. I wish I could run another adventure like it, but it turns out my wrist can't take that much drawing every day:
Iron Pike - a metallic fish that lives lives in a partially underground lake at the foot of a mountain. It's not dangerous to living beings, but tries to snatch metallic objects and take them to the bottom of the lake to gather rust for their nutrition.
Hammoth - A mammoth-sized boar with tusks to match. Probably belongs somewhere north, but could be encountered in the forest too.
Theater, mane character, and Demo Reel - I've been stuck with the idea of the last mane character being an earth pony who runs the theater, and the CYOA solidified that further. She lives at the top floor at the front of the theater with balconies on both sides of her apartment, one outside and one with a view to the stage. She has a Twilight/Spike kind of relationship with Demo Reel, who lives behind the backstage. Demo Reel is an expert in special effects and staging technicals, but has no eye for art and if asked to write a play would use its plot as a flimsy excuse to use as many explosions and special effects as possible.
Paddle Steamer- I don't remember why I thought a train would be necessary, because traveling between the town and the coastal city via a riverboat would make perfect sense and provide more unique flair to the setting as well.
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No.318752
Zoomer here, read about 2/3rds of this thread at this point.
1. Logging mills in the past usually relied on waterways. A river would make such an enterprise more likely and the settlement could in effect be more remote than if the inhabitants had to originally haul the timber. Living upriver also means its easy to go "back to civilization"/big town but hard to get to, which can be useful for all kinds of exports and plot. Also while were at world crafting: you ought to think about the historical relation of the main location with the outside world, make it organic. No need to show it off right away or ever but it may come up that your whole village makes zero sense and absolutely noone would migrate to it at any time.
2. about pony characterization: their occupation and their relation to it is almost an afterthought, consider some kind of personality model if you need a crutch but the character TRAITS are the most important. If you struggle its better to just take the old characters, reskin them, rename them, give them different occupation and give no fucks. Then you can just ask yourself, "what would notJesus do?". One thing that isn't copyrighted is a personality type. Last thing: if the town is small and below 3000k inhabitants I don't see how mail delivery could be a steady occupation. Maybe a side job for the trade post owner.
3. Logging is a very triggering act to a lot of people, depending on what you think the original setting embodied it may clash a bit. You might consider magical felling and coppicing with no "tree murdering" to not disturb the NPCs.
4. About caverns: you might want to work in the concept of feydark into your setting. In Forgotten Realms the whole Feywild thing was way too gaudy for my tastes but it might be fine for poneworld. A magical dark-side-of-the force celto-germanic flavored source of adversity, a kingdom of fucked up magical "giants" (badgers? bears?) and associated trash. This originally draws from the idea of Fey courts, light and dark so you may want to look into that as well. Very foresty.
5. The tower mentioned in the thread can be just a piece of ruin predating the townlet that just happens to stand where its convenient. The top can be broken off, making it as plump as you like (and rebuildable, sort of signifying the progress the character/settlement is making) and its alien origin can allow it to be originally as gargantuan as you wish. The cellar can be quite expansive as well, perhaps even leading to a (magical? other end roaming?) portal to the underground world (behind a sturdy magical gate maybe?). After unearthing it this could become a starting point for expeditions.
6. Since you are free to do whatever I absolutely back the idea of some hidden edge in the setting. Like skin walkers with the limiters for horror turned off, some very Cloak and Dagger fuckery and/or Sword and Sorcery grit suddenly surfacing. No need for it to dominate the atmosphere and be constantly present. Personally I find the idea of "x, but real and with real consequences" very entertaining.
7. Sun Princess? Whats the point, the princess fantasy won't be much indulged. Go full solar empress or even just the "Solar Court". Hey, maybe people living in the outskirts don't even know who nominally rules over them currently if the capital is really far away? You can hide a really monstrously sized dystopian government with a sprawling administration a la Chinese Empire if you liked. Now that would make pones migrate further out.
8. I am EXTREMELY concerned about the copyright aspect of this, mainly the assumption that you can use the EXACT SAME boilerplate pony design and get away with it. Large corporations have large teams of lawyers who can bury you in large piles of court fees. Enough to kill the project even if their claims are dubious. You can't, for example, use squid-headed, brain scarfing quasi-humanoids w/o exposing your ass to Wizards of the Coast lawsuits.
And calling them ponies? Would make no difference if you keep the cartoony scale and call em horses just to be sure. The cutie mark nonsense can be a problem as well, if you can believe it. Is a cutie mark the hill you want to die on? I'm not buying for a moment Patreon is exempt as a revenue source btw, there might not be a precedent yet but that can change fast.
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No.318759
>>318750
Thanks for comments! It's always encouraging to know there are more people to bounce ideas around with.
1&3: My idea is that the town started off as a logging camp at the edge of the forest, but felled trees around it until it the plain around it had merged with the plains next to the forest. The early days of logging were intense and the ponies got too greedy, disrupting the balance of nature and angering monsters and wildlife before realizing their mistake and learning to live responsibly. With ample natural treasures and wonders the main focus of the small village switched to other things, but the main reason for the towns prosperity is the sheer entrepreneurial spirit of adventurous ponies wishing to settle new lands.
2. I prefer new characters over redesigns because of their potential for new stories. One of the problems with the show has been running out of things for the characters to explore, and getting to follow new characters with new kinds of problems and ambitions is what I think Hasbro should have done too.
4. Honestly, I have very vague idea about what most people mean with fey, as in Finnish mythology the things like small dwarves that live in saunas, stables and homes (saunatonttu, tallitonttu and kotitonttu) are always kind and friendly. Having a civilization of spiderlike trotdolytes living in the caverns would open a lot of possibilities, but I think keeping the caverns looking untouched by any intelligent beings would keep them much more strange and foreboding. Discovering only an ancient, dust-covered totem or a strange altar deep, deep down the uninhabited caverns would raise a lot of spooky questions.
5. Having the tower be a ruin from time before pony settlers is a wonderful idea! I was focusing solely on making a cute and fantastic place like Sugarcube Corner or Carousel Boutique, but having the tower be built by ancient non-pony hooves would indeed lend itself to a whole cellarfull of undiscovered mysteries and plothooks to uncover.
6. Indeed. It's not a good idea to be edgy to the point of making the show dark, but without corporate interests there's no need to dilute or PC things either. MLP looks so bright and colorful that even pony skinwalkers could look cute.
7. Queen or Empress would indeed go just as well, and even be a nice nod to Lauren Faust's original vision. The only reason for mentioning the princess at all is to keep the world compatible with the original lore, but without the rulers visiting the continent they most likely won't need to even be mentioned in the first place.
8. Me too.That's why I have never done anything that could be legally/monetarily connected to my irl-persona. It would be easier to start an entirely new universe, but the sole reason for the whole project would be supporting the pony fandom that would take away its whole point. Like I've said, I can plan the world and write stories, but someone with better organizational skills needs to handle the actual logistics of getting the animation done.
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No.318833
with the anonimity enforced here in /pone/ where a mod undoubtedly will take out names, its impossible to work a team.
you need names. who is in charge of what. not anonymous #okjndsf or anonymous #88indks
you have to take this project outside
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No.323438
Made a new thread for this at https://poni.fun/poni/res/1271.html
>>318833
At this point the project is still in its planning phase, but when it's time to start actualizing the plans a team is definitely needed. As suspicious as I've been about Discord, it has been working well for a game project I'm participating in, and from my experience should work for a show project too.
Even better, a friend of mine who's interested in business and cryptocurrencies has been hinting that they might be one possibility of hiring animators without lawyers intervening with it. Voice actors would hopefully be found within the fandom though, as I wouldn't trust Indians or Koreans to do well on that front.
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No.323705
>>323438
>poni.fun
fuck off
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