/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

>>13612609

For theism to be true, there must be only one god, above all and of all, else there is no god. To claim there is a god of one nation, and another of another nation is to claim there is no god, or that god is merely a product of peoples' imaginations, and therefore you yourself believe there is no god. Therefore you must claim there is only one true god. Humanity in itself has gone through an evolution of spiritual understanding.

>vague understandings of a deity or The Supernatural

>revelations from certain deity or supernatural being

>religion or creed

Jesus Christ was really on this earth, and he really did preach about the God, but what sets his preaching apart from all previous understandings of God is the idea that God is a good and loving God, which is not how the ancient peoples understood god. I truly believe Christ's word is true, and indeed Christ's word is God's word, but one must have a personal encounter with Him to see that He is real.

Even 11 first hand testimonies of the resurrected Christ could not persuade Thomas, how can any man?

>>13612609

Which paganism?

We don't really know very much about anything but the Roman and Greek pagan traditions.

What we do have was written down by the Romans, or by hundreds of years later Christian scribes.

>>13612689

> Give us this day our daily bread.

This is how you know it was written by satan.

>>13612690

I mean white trans-paganism, that every european would understand and follow

Look its another antichristian veiled as paganism thread

>>13612609

>What are your thoughts about paganism?

They're just jews leading you to slaughter. Pagans didn't know about Jews so they let them run riot.

You've been listening to jews.

Total dumbass.

>>13612689

Matthew 5:39 "do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also"

Crusaders are heretics

>>13612609

A religion only has value if it's true. What argument can you make that paganism is the truth?

>>13612763

>Muh Truth

What a retard. You are begging the question by framing the essence of religion already as Christian Truth. Dionysus has almost nothing to do with the Truth. Neither does Shiva. A god might just want you to get drunk and duck your wife. But muh Truth.

>A religion only has value if you drink the Messiah's semen and call it bread

>>13612755

Pagans only serve a race. Slavic pagans have a book, describing, how jews control others. Unfortunately, it is banned in Russia

>>13612775

As always a triptroon's post is completely retarded and worthless.

>>13612747

So… you're just going to make shit up. If you want to do that go ahead, but you're really making up a new religion.

If you want people to follow it then go with the "environmental" flow, it's been pushed hard enough over the last decades. Green, trees, groves, nature, poetry etc.

>>13612786

How dare you

>>13612609

> religion is control!!!

> lemme shill for my religion please

faggot

>>13612815

Everything Russia has today can be attributed to Christianity, though. Pagans did absolutely nothing for Russia, in fact were you to remain pagans you wouldn't even have a written language.

>>13612752

Sand people religions don't belong with white nations.

>Christianity is Jewish mind control of the Aryan

The question is whether Jesus fits the bill as the "Light unto the Gentiles." Yes he's also supposed to be the "Almighty Father." If a Christian tries to prove Jesus is the Almighty Father thru "consubstantiality," it would amount to schizobabble rationalization. Nothing prophetic about it. I don't think the Joshua want the Aryans to conquer, so Jesus cannot be their Light… He cons substance with the Father: Jesus is CONsubstantial with the Father. Now call me a tripfag

>>13612609

Is a slur targeting a random assortment of random pre Christian European ideals my choice of buffet, spiritualism Sunday buffet horseshit? No, no it isn't.

>>13613083

So why dont you talk about white nation religion instead of using paganism as an excuse to attack Christianity (and coincidentally none of the other religions)

>>13613121

Because it's the only sand people religion that gets presented as somehow better than the other two.

>>13613128

Well im not seeing anything about paganism that would make me want to learn about it let alone follow it as a belief system. Try not mindlessly attacking christianity if you want people to learn about your "superior beliefs".

>>13613121

Because that would require not being a faggot.

>>13613108

The secret of the Messiah re: Light unto the Gentiles is Tombistic. Every race and sub-race have their own Telos, purpose, and when the Messiah comes he will guide like a shepherd all the nations into fulfilling their proper functions. Light is just the fulfillment of proper function. Thus the Light unto the Gentiles must fulfill the proper functions of all the races.

I don't think Joshua really does this because he conquers the mind of the Aryan then takes their daughters, dresses them up as brides, and shits cum in their mouths. This is the true theology of Joshua as Christian "Mana from Heaven."

As an example of the Light unto the Gentiles, think about how Japan wanted to, albeit imperialistically, guide all the Asian nations into their own vision of sovereignty. So we fought about Hawaii. To Japan, that was about the PEOPLE of Hawaii. To America, it was about PINEAPPLES…

So now they build a Trump Hotel there, no Mariot, whatever, yea, and they dig up the buried feather Indians and toss their bones into a garbage heap, to build the Supreme Hawaiian Motel. Well, if you know anything about the native Hawaiian religion, their theology of the dead was the most sacred to them, as to this day you're not allowed to walk over Hawaiian burial sites, even in State parks, or you'll "absorb their Mana."

So this is a real call for the Messiah. The ethics of Warfare has decreed that imperialism is scummy. Yet we are violating the religious principles of the native Hawaiian ancestors by building hotels. The Messiah needn't be a Hawaiian to preserve the Secret of Hawaiian Mana, without assuaging Japanese imperialism, which is a losing ideology, or dampening the sovereign Capitalist…

>>13613142

Just to conclude, the Telos or Principle of a nation is called a Principality, which is a type of angel.

Both Paganism and Christianity have failed the white race, which is why one is dead and the other is dying. Religion is an ideology to control the unwashed masses, but even these masses come to the realization that there isn't an ounce of truth or good in religion. It's all fake and gay.

The ideology of a white ethnostate or a European race should be the truth. An open proclamation that we, the European peoples, are surronded by enemies who wage war against us. Who try to enslave and genocide us. That jews are subverting, child raping and sacrificing maniacs, and Judaism is an ideology that wants to eradicate us. That muslims are goatfucking, violent 80IQ subhumans, and Islam is an ideology that wants to eradicate us. That there isn't a one big human race and we have nothing in common with shitskins. That the ultimate good is a pure, strong and homogenous white society. And fighting for such a society is the ultimate kindness to the only ones who matter - your own people and children.

>>13613192

So the truth is just the Antithesis of Christianity? No, deny that Jesus is the Absolute. Christ, the Absolute. Neopagan religion should be more positive. For example I draw a connection between Gaia and Gaius

>>13613053

I think it's the other way round.

Written language is what created Christianity.

The pagans; celtic and norse used poetry to memorize information. This is why the bards / skalds were so important. They could write latin and did so when dealing with the Romans, so it was voluntary. If it isn't written, it can't be stolen. This is also a limitation in scale though, and why ultimately paganism was replaced.

>>13613204

In the case of Russia, written language came as a result of Christianity becoming the official religion. Cyril and Methodius introduced the Russians to the alphabet so they could read the Bible.

>>13613192

Christianity is universalism. It doesn't make distinctions about nation. It allows a king to rule many unrelated peoples.

All western paganism on the other hand is familial. It's based on the family, the clan. It's inherently exclusionary and limited leaders to however many were related to them in their extended family.

> there isn't an ounce of truth or good in religion. It's all fake and gay.

That isn't the point. Religion is symbolic. A set of beliefs that encourage one type of behaviour over another. Hence a tool for social control.

"Pagans" were living in harmony with the natural order that god created. Abrahamics replaced those societies with everything as unnatural as possible. That's the only reasoning for me to see that modern organized abrahamic religions are death cults, playing out their (((prophecies))) over and over again.

>>13614356

>The further the expression of Christianity is from the teachings of Jesus and the Bible as a whole, the better it will serve civilization.

Imagine being this kiked

Western civilization has gone to shit because its being flooded with the seven sins and turning away from the teachings of Christ

Ironic

>>13612609

You are based at a level that you don't imagine.

Keep that way.

>>13614384

>Everything good you attribute to European christiantiy was in spite of the actual doctrine of Christianity

I wasnt even talking about that, I was talking about the words of Jesus Christ in the new testament that you incorrectly summed up as turn the other cheek suicidal morality.

You said that turning away from the teachings of Christ is the best thing we can do. So we should turn towards gluttony? Lust? Greed?

I wonder if there will ever be a paganism thread that actually talks about paganism and isnt just Christianity bashing. At least bash islam as much as you do Christianity. We all know jews are bad. I mean they tried to kill Jesus multiple times before they got the romans to crucify him.

>>13614428

>>13614417

>self inserted into a paganism thread that bashed Christianity in the OP

>still can not explain pagan deities, belief systems or rituals in any capacity

So youre just gonna go with the roundabout deflecting pilpul antichrist shilling, got it

>>13614438

>>13614437

Notice how these posters are still focused on attacking Christianity and are basically refusing to explain or even attempt at persuading a reader towards pagan belief systems.

>If you were interested in hearing about European religion then you wouldn’t have sperged out in the first place and asked questions in good faith. Which, you are not.

kek epic cope there retard

>>13614449

Dressing creepy and knocking on strangers doors isnt going to make anyone sign up for anything.

>>13614449

>mormons are Christians

Okay im going to assume youre trolling and not actually that retarded

>>13614459

Sorry, i don't keep up with the 666 different flavors of judaism

>>13614467

Hey Estonia anon, do you like Metsatoll music band? They make Pagan songs

>>13614469

What about it? They serve the cryptokike aristocracy, the solomons temple and study the kabbalah

>>13614473

Yes, i sone of their music.

https://youtu.be/HppN10r7V5c

>>13614453

https://gab.com/DeeMMO/posts/114395567130918530

Christianity is trash because it promotes weakness while all the other rival religions promote savagery and power above all. This is why our European civilization is failing.

Turn the other cheek, do not steal, do not lie etc etc. That's a load of bullshit. We are being ruled by people who do not turn the other cheek, who lie and who steal from us and we're thanking them for it by voting them into power.

Kill your enemies, do not forgive them, do not show them mercy. Lie if you have to, steal if you have to. Nothing else matters other than Europe's survival. This is how we became superior to everyone else. We conquered. We were forged in battle. We relished in the moments of glory. We started by conquering each other. Through endless battles of conquering and getting conquered we evolved, we got stronger after every battle, smarter, more advanced. There is no greater race on the planet than the European race, the only race to have been born with the body and spirit of a warrior and the mind of a scholar and philosopher.

Now we're drunk on peace and we have destroyed everything we believed in just to preserve that peace, we have become weaker and it's all thanks to this retarded Jewish religion that brainwashed us over the centuries.

>>13612609

>pedoism

ftfy Shlomo.

>>13614986

Grade school level attacks

>>13612609

Just ask yourself what is the purpose of religion? Are they an inevitable aspect of human psychology? What does a "spiritual" perception provide for society and for the individual?

I think all of the religions both modern and ancient have drawn from the same real origins, though it's clear to see that they've been heavily manipulated by man. I don't "worship" anything because the concept of worship is for slaves, and I am a master, not a slave. Count me with Lucifer if you want, but I have much more in common with him than I do with any tyrannical Jewish God that is obviously not the only god nor is he omnipotent or perfectly moral and good.

>>13615659

Then it's funny you can't refute a single one, loser.

>>13612609

I call it Native Aryan Polytheism. Russia's roots are the Kievan Rus empire, so literally all the white people in Russia are literally just as aryan, germanic, and Nordic as Germans are. I don't like Hitler, he was one of the worst generals of all time. He collected about half the power of the white race, and used it to fight the other half of the white race, basically enacting white genocide. The word Pagan has roots as an early Christianization of the word "Goyim," which is a slur used against non-Jews, so I don't use it.

https://biblehub.com/greek/1484.htm

It's polytheism, so if you're on the fence about what is better, you can just worship both gods. The whole point is that you have free will, and you should worship whichever god gives you the most blessings.

56% of Russians believe in witchcraft:

https://www.newsweek.com/one-billion-people-believe-witchcraft-56-percent-russia-1761837

And here are the stats for Orthodoxy. It has been on the rise… but only 8% of people who declare themselves "Orthodox" actually go to church.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/08/orthodox-christianity-in-the-21st-century/

So things are not as bad as OP claims.

>promoting witchcraft will make women more spiritual, more nationalistic, more empowered against the MSM and state, and adopt more traditional gender roles

This is the redpill that /pol/ is having the hardest time with. Fucking incels are trying to kick half of our own people off of our own team because they forgive themselves for being formerly bluepilled but not women.

>>13614848

Two things, first, the only moral critique ANYONE has against the Jews is that they worship the Antichrist, but 95% of the WORLD will worship the Antichrist, so it's irrational bias.

Second, many Christians have historically hated Jews because they "crucified Jesus." But this is a false reading of Scripture, and a disgrace to the Name of Caesar…the ROMANS crucified Jesus, that's in the Nicene Creed. So if you hate Jews qua Crucifers then you must also hate the Romans, yet that doesn't "Render to Caesar what is Caesars," a teaching neither Christians nor JESUS actually follow in praxis!

>>13614393

>We all know jews are bad. I mean they tried to kill Jesus multiple times before they got the romans to crucify him.

Yet the vast majority of Christians today lick jew boot. You can say they're not supposed to but your god is doing nothing to stop them, in fact he doesn't seem to have done anything at all in at least 2000 years.

>>13612609

let me put it this way, europe was originally pagan, so it makes zero sense for us to be anything else but pagans. christianity is a stupid desert religion that has no place in europe. end of discussion.

>>13615697

There is nothing to refute however.

>>13616502

Yes, I do. That's a cool building in your picture but I don't see how it's evidence of anything.

>>13615726

I don't know very much about slavic paganism, but I would bet it was built on the same proto religions that the rest of them were, including the Abrahamic.

The Horned God; Lord of the wild is becoming increasingly popular along with the environmental movements.

> you should worship whichever god gives you the most blessings.

Or whichever is most appropriate at any given moment.

>>13612609

Is this bait?

Paganism is Man creating gods.

The social expression of paganism is slavery.

Throughout history, paganism = slavery.

>>13616563

Christians have killed a lot of people for believing what you didn't want them to, why is it okay when you do it to others but not when others do it to you?

>>13616639

>Christians have killed a lot of people for believing what you didn't want them to

Like who?

>>13616646

You can't really be *this* dumb, what's the gotcha you're trying to pull here?

No neopaganism was a Jewish psyop that was pushed by mossad on 4chan.

>>13616653

No gotcha im just looking for you to put any substance behind the big claims youre making

Most pagans are just a bunch of fat, bisexual, middle-age women who think they are edgy; it's super cringe. Also, most of them are dirty communists.

>>13616646

european odin worshippers, maybe?

>>13617270

that's how it goes, when the pagan religion lacks a central organized structure with clear guidelines on stuff. you can't have the one, without the other.

niggers

>>13617356

>>One thing Christianity has, that is good thing of its own, is idea of freedom. Instead of having a cosmos ruled by fate.

Do we *truly* have free will, though? This starts to be a scientific question, rather than a philosophical one.

Humans are just a huge bag of chemicals. The reaction of chemicals can be traced down to the microscopic and atomic level.

We know already how chemicals interact – so are we really acting of some higher "free will"? Or are we just a composite of what all these chemicals are doing on the atomic level?

If that's the case, then can we justify things like jails and prisons?

>>13617270

There's an LGBT flag on my church every year during gay month, and they had a gay child molester running one of their programs who got caught and sent to jail. Most Americans are overweight and Christian. In actual Norse times homosexuality was punishable by death.

Having more women interested in it is a good thing. Like are you gay or what? You want women to also be on your side. Ever heard of a sausage party? Ever tried getting laid? Ever tried getting a politician elected without women voters? Are you going on a sex strike as a celibate monk or something?

Also, everyone here is being super fucking edgy we're on fucking 8chan. Everything we do is edgy to the max and everyone loves it so much we replaced the global right with the edgy ideas that anons come up with here. We could start calling for older white people to get blood transfusions from younger people of color to keep them young as reparations for the welfare state, and it would catch on and get popular.

>>13616638

>Paganism is Man creating gods.

And Christianity isn't?

>>13616949

To be fair, the vedic writings are the earliest and most complete documentation of the Proto Indo European gods that we have.

Judaism is just another of those religions, focusing on only one of the gods in the historic pantheons around at the time.

To be clear. God, in the early bible is EL, and the later bible is Yahweh. Both of them are local incarnations of PIE gods of earlier times, just as the other pagan religions are.

>>13617495

we have an account or two that said that gays were sometimes thrown in a bog, or whatever. it doesn't mean that the vikings universally killed gays all the time the second they realized someone was a homo.

>>13617505

Calling someone a faggot lead to an immediate fight to the death, called a holmgang.

>Ergi and argr or ragr can be regarded as specifying swearwords. Ergi, argr and ragr were the severe insults made by calling someone a coward, and due to its severity old Scandinavian laws demanded retribution for this accusation if it had turned out unjustified. The Icelandic Gray Goose Laws[2] referred to three words that were regarded as equal to argr by themselves. Those were ragr, strodinn, and sordinn, all three meaning the passive role of a man in sexual activities, being womanly, and being subservient.

>If the accused did not retort by violent attack, either right on the spot or by demanding holmgang, yielding either the challenging accuser to take his words back or the accuser's death, he was hence proven to be a weak and cowardly níðingr by not retorting accordingly.[9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%AD%C3%B0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmgang

>>13617425

They killed european odin worshippers while at the same time having scribes preserve paganism? Thats weird

>>13617525

so? this doesn't prove it was like that every time. i bet a lot of people talked shit all the time and it was just ignored.

>>13612609

tf is this schizophrenia?

"Paganism" in the modern sense Is not a religion.

It has no culture, and no doctrine, and no history that is not appropriated from the remains of previous cultural strata, and in a form that is hopelessly warped by modernist interpretations.

In a purely linguistical sense, the term "Pagan" means "Rustic" - applied by late Roman Christians, who were largely urbanites, to those who practiced the old Hellenic faith and eastern mystery cults and syncretic practices, who dwelt mostly in rural parts.

In order for any form of "Paganism" to legitimate itself as a religious entity, it must first distinguish itself from the late-Victorian wiccan nonsense that is fraudulently passed off as "Old Religion" with such frequency.

Frankly.

My ancestors have been at least nominally Christian for some fifteen hundred years.

Because my concept of religion is bound up in three notions; gratitude, culture and continuity, ignoring the past fifteen hundred years of my own ancestral traditions, would be on the face of it, fucking stupid.

However, I have to acknowledge that the roots go deeper.

I'm an old-worlder.

There are megaliths and passage tombs around here that are older the pyramids.

The land itself has a soul, like unto that of it's native sons.

And if you are alive today, then your bloodline has seen many religious paradigms rise and fall.

So, I take what I find useful, and I leave the rest to moulder.

I ignore the shrieking from the pulpit that I am "picking and choosing" - indeed, I am a man, and that is my prerogative.

>>13612609

Paganism isn't a religion, it's a slide thread/division tactic posted by kikes on WN forums, and only WN forums.

>>13617980

I basically sage any post with a typo. This guy used it's instead of its, so I ignore his whole post. The true meaning, of "Sage"

>>13617980

> in a form that is hopelessly warped by modernist interpretations.

Christianity.

> nominally Christian

lol.

>>13617983

I think many of you are missing the point.

Historically, all religions existed to:

a) Inform the elites how to rule. Those who were intitiated into the real meanings of the myths.

b) Control the masses through narrative. i.e. The stories. People respond according to their programming.

Nothing has changed throughout history because human beings remain stupid social animals.

Today, the religion is Woke equality and environmentalism.

To replace this, you need something else. Leaving a vacuum after the failure of Christianity is exactly what allowed the Woke shit to flourish.

I think Paganism is excellent. It is a Whites only religion for the most part anyway so it should be aggressively leveraged to organize people against Sand nigger monotheism. It is something with a lot of growth potential as well so small upstarts can make a name. For themselves.

>>13614999. Oh shit son. KEK HAS SPOKEN. perhaps KEK worship is the real answer for us.

>>13614849

THIS MAN IS THE LEADER WE NEED. Nicely said man. Nicely said.

>>13618011

I highly doubt neo-pagans could beat Muslims, Allah's Word is that he is the only God, and you're simply not going to beat Abrahamic prophecy with even the best pagan Oracle. At best you don't attack them and they are obligated not to give chase. My two cents.

Then when the Jews get their temple and start sacrificing bulls and chickens to YHVH, neo-pagans will have a bulb go off, and dance around the fire and worship Sol.

>>13617993

Who am I to proclaim that my ancestors were all pious Christians?

They were working class Anglo-Irish dirt-farmers, thieves, infantrymen, and backstreet abortionists who's religion was handed to them by their parents, community and culture, which nevertheless, formed the binding agent of their society.

So yes, "Nominally".

Christianity is no longer an effective binding agent in it's mainstream Western forms.

Orthodoxy will likely outlast the Catholic church by hundreds of years, because it is less corrupted from it's original intent by the aforementioned "modernist interpretations", but Orthodox Christianity has little to no cultural sway over The West, nor does it seem keen to expand into it.

Syncretism is what makes sense to me.

Why?

Because my culture is not entirely Christian, and not entirely unChristian.

Yes, there are biblical prohibitions against worshiping multiple gods "Thou shalt have no god before me" etc; that's the shit I ignore.

Because it's really the only part that seeks to sever my connection to the ancestral root.

Jesus can have his own space, but I don't consider him a manifestation of YHWH, because that fucker is just an Israelite war-God, which I have no cultural connection to.

The Jesus I know is probably the most lied about man in history.

He was a healer, and a destroyer of old dogmas, and a patron of the despised and the downtrodden.

There's a place for that in my worldview, but it cannot be the only thing permitted within it, because sometimes the downtrodden and the despised are the despicable who must be trodden on, and sometimes the old dogmas still stand, because they are good.

Constantly bickering over what form your gratitude to your creator takes is the kind of thing that would make any god want to ball up creation and throw it in the rubbish.

The ancestors are a conduit to the very root of being.

So I do what they did, out of loyalty to them.

Because underneath the trappings of theology and doctrine, the only thing I hold sacred is blood.