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I am a non-white person and I agree with your essay.

> On the other hand, preference for one's own ethnicity is not unique to Whites, nor to the majority culture.

Exactly. You'd think this would be common sense but apparently it isn't.

My view is: Everyone regardless of color is naturally somewhat "racist" and preferential/biased toward their own race and culture. That's just how humans are, have always been, and will always be. Why this is suddenly a problem or massive issue with whites ONLY is a mystery to me; especially since whites – already a global minority – are in demographic decline throughout the West.

>>131
> as a non white

Nigger pls. You are falling into that same old trap of needing to "qualify" your opinion by assuring everyone that you aren't a racist white eager to agree with the OP… like OP's ideas are now "kosher" and acceptable – not because they are logical or merely common sense – but because they have now been blessed with the approval of a non-white.

This kind of shit is all over the internet.
> As a (non-white race)…
> As a white…
> As a woman…
> As a man…
> As a (lgbtqrsuvwxyz derivative)…

This identity-politics bullshit is such a cancer to society. We can't even converse with each other without people trying to use race or gender as propellant for boosting the credibility of their opinions.

>>131
Thanks for the feedback

>>139
>My view is: Everyone regardless of color is naturally somewhat "racist" and preferential/biased toward their own race and culture. That's just how humans are, have always been, and will always be. Why this is suddenly a problem or massive issue with whites ONLY is a mystery to me; especially since whites – already a global minority – are in demographic decline throughout the West.

That was the main point I was trying to make. I'm glad you said race/culture because I was trying hard not to make it just about race or just about culture. Everything I wrote applies equally to race and culture. I also tried not to focus on whether preferring one's own race/culture is "innate" or "natural" because the main point was preferring one's own race/culture isn't different when Whites do it. But it was hard to remain neutral on either of these issues and I know it confused some other readers.

I am going to make a new version so let me know if you have any suggested edits.

>>140
btw when I said
>I also tried not to focus on whether preferring one's own race/culture is "innate" or "natural"
that wording was a bit sloppy, better to say
>I also tried not to focus on the claim that preference for one's own race/culture is "innate" or "natural"

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>Why this is suddenly a problem or massive issue with whites ONLY is a mystery to me; especially since whites – already a global minority – are in demographic decline throughout the West.
I didn't write much about the "why" of anti-racism, because I wanted to focus squarely on proving it was wrong. But since we're all in agreement here, my opinion is there are two main sources:

1) Moralistic zeal among Europeans. Europeans have always been into irrational moral crusades. They used to express this through religion, now they express it through liberalism. I don't know if its part of European nature, or comes from Christianity. Part of Europe's success is the prevalence of pro-social behavior, including a strong desire to punish wrongdoers. Where there are no actual wrongdoers, I think Europeans invent them. I think a few people have written about this, but I can't remember off the top of my head.

2) Jews an other minorities (including European minorities in the US). I especially didn't discuss this because I don't want to do it without solid references. Basically I need a lot of quotes from Jewish liberals saying "As a Jew, I feel insecure in the US as long as Whites are dominant". I know this opinion is often expressed by liberal Jews, but it will take work to get the most representative quotes.

Strong writing and I agree with much you want to say save for the idea that race alone is enough to generate companionship and a sense of belonging with someone. More important than race is ideology and culture. I can't connect with most people of my race because their ideologies and cultures are actively in opposition to mine. I can only connect to and feel comfortable with people who share an open mind and who are capable of debating things philosophically and without hostility, prejudice, or the kind of moralizing that stunts actual conversation. Race and ethnicity have nothing to do with this. The conclusion of the racialist view is that I will feel the most comfortable with people of my own tribe->ethnicity->race->species etc.

I feel comfortable with people of my own culture and ideological underpinnings.

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Thanks for the feedback. I agree that culture and ideology are also very important. What I was trying to avoid was implying that race was unimportant, or that it's immoral or irrational to care about race. But I think I went too far in the other direction, and made it seem like I was mainly focussed on race.

On the cultural side, I want to preserve Western culture, and I also think the Western culture is the only way for the rest of the world to improve their situation.

On the racial side, it would be a tragedy if the aesthetic beauty of the White race disappeared, and there is probably a connection between race and culture too.