No.1571
Lets have a thread dedicated to discussing the philosophy of the Void and philosopher's that are related to it. Where we think about the meaninglessness of the universe and our desire to escape modern society.
Lets have some discussion topics to start the thread:
>What is the Void?
>In your opinion, what ideas are compatible with it?
>In your opinion, what ideas are incompatible with it?
>If the void is amoral does that mean that it's also apolitical? Do you even bother with politics?
>Do you have any frustrations about modern day society?
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No.1572
Answering my own thread, just for the sake of sharing my perspective.
>>What is the Void?
Since I do a bit of magick, I believe the Void is an energy that is present all around us. The material world around us is empty and devoid of any meaning aside from the ones we create, not that those matter. We are also empty, being constantly possessed and controlled by fixed ideas, spooks and vices. We can tap into the Void to help us banish those spooks, deconstruct ideologies and prejudices that blind us and stay away from polarization.
>>In your opinion, what ideas are compatible with it?
Nihilism and Existentialism, obviously, but also living in the present moment, enjoying being in the now and here. Free will and unlimited possibilities.
>>In your opinion, what ideas are incompatible with it?
Western religions, intense ideology and dogma. Heavy polarization into any side of the political landscape. Being "blue-pilled" as pol would say.
>>If the void is amoral does that mean that it's also apolitical? Do you even bother with politics?
I think that the void is also apolitical, don't think it could even be otherwise. I come from a country with absolutely shit and corrupt politicians that makes me have a certain disdain for politics in general. Its been a subject I want to avoid, honestly.
>>Do you have any frustrations about modern day society?
I do, but I'd rather post these Mr. Robot clips than type it all out since they illustrate my views nicely.
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No.1573
>>1572
Couldn't post all three at once because of filesize.
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No.1578
Here are some posts here and there that I feel are good to bounce off of.
>>>204
>>>209
I'm looking for more because they're in random threads
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No.1579
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No.1580
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No.1581
>>1573
>>1572
I really have to commend Mr.Robot for being succinct with the our frustrations
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No.1582
>>1571
>What is the Void.
A place for the unscripted and the unfiltered.
When I say unscripted, I mean the people who see the game society set up for us and choose to go the unconventional route.
But unfiltered, I mean the people that can't give a fuck about what someone thinks and speak Truths, and by Truths, I mean facts, logic, and concepts that have no falsehoods in their nature. And when I say can't give a fuck, I don't mean they are not allowed to, but rather, they are incapable of giving a fuck.
The Void doesn't bother with obstacles, it doesn't bother jumping through hoops to get what one really wants in life to be happy.
These are people like Patrice O'Neal with his primal view on how to deal with women.
These are the Deities like the Hindu Goddess Kali that wrecks whatever on her path as opposed to being agile and bendy and sidestepping problems.
These are the people that have no qualms about calling out bullshit.
Oh, and for otherworldly creates that reflect these views in their behavior.
>In your opinion, what ideas are compatible with it.
I'll refer you to some of the what's previously written, but I'll say having an amoral view of the world while being a person who doesn't look for trouble but is practical with their ruthlessness when provoked. No excessive force, only what's necessary.
I would even so far as to say the Left-Hand Path of the occult that encourages one to think for themselves and not be so caught up mainstream social cancer.
There's a light-hearted film called "Accepted" about a high school student who graduates and has no idea what he wants to do nor can he get into college, so he makes a college. It's a comedy but I feel conceptually, it rings a lot of "Self-Thinking" truths. And this one comic Lewis Black has a few bits in the movie that point out some things wrong with society.
Speaking of stand-up comics, George Carlson is definitely a void fella, same with Bill Hicks.
>What ideas are incompatible with it.
Anything the mainstream media is pushing.
A void dweller would understand that someone being racist shouldn't be ostracized. Objectively, it just means the person has a preference for who they associate with.
If they don't like a certain race, fine. You don't have to fuck with them, nor should they be obligated to interact with you.
Sjw mentality in general, feminism, etc.
>If the void is amoral, does that mean it's also apolitical? Do you even bother with politics
It can be, but in this day and age, everything is politicized. To society, void dwellers would be what sjws and feminists hate.
>Do you have any frustrations about modern day society.
Yes,
modern day society is overly sensitive.
most of the music is soulless commercialized shit. For example, look up (and I apologize if you actually listen to this song) Wake Me Up by Avicii, you will see everything that's wrong with society.
Click the trending tab on youtube, it's full of what I'll call a hyper happy-go-lucky faux.
Or rather, false positivity.
Society is full of buyers and sellers, businesses and their workers, and the people at the top hire lower level people, to figure out how to make money off of basic human behavior and have even lower level people work the front lines and deal with the horrid experience of dealing with customers.
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No.1584
>what is
the void is just that, empty of all sort of structure except what you put in it, and even that seems insignificant against the vast emptiness all around you
>compatible
you can put anything in there more or less, but if it dosnt look good on its own it wont look good, because it will be completely alone
another anon likened it to complete freedom of expression with all the baggage of identity left behind leaving only the idea itself, no repercussions for it being unpopular and nothing like "trust me im an expert" possible
>what is incompatible
well, you can put anything there but remember those of us posting here are human beings at least until we get roleplaying, so we will take to certain things better then others, for example, waifus are great, most of us are some degree of anarchistic while posting here for the simple fact that those drawn to abandoning social consequences are naturally anarchists
>apoliticol
sort of
the void itself is empty but I would say those drawn to it might lean a particular way, if you are drawn to something with no structure I doubt you are a fan of states an bureaucracy, but you might be
>frustrations about modern day society
I dont like most of it, its almost all shit, but I only really complain when I am forced into it
I usually stay outside of it and dont have trouble, it means I will never have riches, but all the gold in the world wouldnt do the things I would want it to do, and the scraps I have are more then enough for the things I need it to do
a poor writer will still write, but a rich man still loses to the cock, pic related, nobody beats the cock
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No.1594
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No.1626
>What is the Void?
Void is radical absence, and what I think lies beneath any foundation. There is void behind everything, from my identity, to knowledge, to morals, to thoughts. It is the conclusion that results from questioning a fundamental premise, such as the idea that there is something, or the idea that I can know things about the outside world, or that I have some core personality that is objectively "me" in a sense.
>In your opinion, what ideas are compatible with it?
Fictionalism is the only compatible idea
>In your opinion, what ideas are incompatible with it?
Every idea that assumes some sort of basis to it.
>If the void is amoral, does that mean that it's also apolitical? Why even bother with politics?
I don't think the Void can be contextualized in terms of morality, or politics. I concern myself with politics because that is a fiction worth concerning myself with
>Do you have any frustrations about modern day society?
It's insincere and devalues muh fictions
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No.1684
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Academy of Ideas on Youtube has some interesting videos
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No.1776
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No.1787
>>1571
>>What is the Void?
You mean the electromagnetic field, we are in and are the field, there is no you that's imaginary. Thank you for the story of you someplace in time, but it's not real, it's imaginary. But you will never know it, this is the delusion that all humans suffer. The only difference between individuals is the depth of their delusion.
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No.1789
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No.1791
>>1789
My previous post is actually the latest Neurology on the subject.
Example (he does his best to explain something that really can't be explained, and he is a God man, so take it for what its worth. I would try to explain it with science).
https://youtu.be/GCBxy89Wy_g
https://youtu.be/WFidicQT8NQ
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No.1792
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No.1793
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No.1936
>>1582
goddamn this is raw
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No.1955
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No.1966
>In 2011, a group calling itself “Individuals Tending Toward the Wild” (Individualidades Tendiendo a lo Salvaje—ITS) began a string of eco-terrorist attacks in Mexico. These attacks ranged from mail bombs sent to various research institutions around the country to the assassination of a biotechnology researcher in Cuernavaca, Morelos. With each attempted bombing or action, ITS published communiqués explaining the reasoning behind their attacks, and used the attacks as “propaganda of the deed” to propagate their ideas. In 2014, after a series of polemics and self-critiques, ITS allegedly joined forces with other allied groups in Mexico and changed its name to “Wild Reaction” (Reacción Salvaje—RS). This latter group characterized itself as a group of “nihilist saboteurs, incendiary nomads, individualist delinquents, anarcho-terrorists, politically and morally incorrect critics,”[1]among others. Since its rechristening, RS has claimed responsibility for bombing a telethon as well as for recent unrest during demonstrations against the government in Mexico City.
To embrace the void we must spiritually and physically attack the existent. This is where my philosophizing took me, anons.
http://www.ritual-mag.com/toward-savagery-recent-developments-in-eco-extremist-thought-in-mexico/
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No.1968
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No.1986
>>1968
What is your hmmmm anon?
Question I pose to the thread is how do we embrace the void and kill the humanists within ourselves? Is this possible purely from philosophy or must this christian ideology be actively purged?
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No.2146
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No.2147
>>1986
The christian ideology has to be purged. I don't know if "killing the humanists" is what we should be aiming at, rather I think we should be aiming at dismantling whatever chains or mental slavery the world has. They see incendiary nomads, I see it as a destructive force seeking to purge the establishment to start over and build a proper foundation in the world.
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No.2149
>>2147
I'm with you, broadly. Though
>seeking to purge the establishment to start over and build a proper foundation in the world.
i am skeptical that there is anything left to build or any foundations left to build it on. In any case, to us, in regards to the world we live in i always personally feel that we are so far away from the conditions that would dictate would that would look like i find it's just best not to bother considering. At this moment we can only be the destructive force albeit of an individual, personal creation .
not saying that you are, of course. just a line of thought.
The humanist ideology is the christian ideology. the broader point i.e. those hikers in >>1986 is that the hunter stalks and kills the hyper-civilized humanist in part to kill those humanist instincts of morality within themselves. thus dismantling those mental chains of slave morality. I am not sure how i feel about this exactly but it is certainly food for thought.
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No.2171
>>2146
that gorilla is so cute. it thinks its a person. listen to it imitate speech <3
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No.2181
I don't think that "void" is the same as "nothingness". So in my opinion the entire concept of this board is a bit flawed. Japanese Zen buddhism has a very interesting idea of void. According to them it's one of the 5 base elements which the world is made of. To them mirrors are a symbol for the void. They are essentially "nothing" but have the ability to reflect "everything". This whole idea that the void contains the potential for literally everything in this world is something that fascinates me. Glorious void, the sourcecode of our universe! Maybe these buddhists are onto something, and once we realize the void inside of us and gain control over it we will have this infinite potential at our disposal.
I've also read that scientists are working on figuring out the void by creating vacuums. And they have observed something unexpected, within these vacuums little particle lightnings formed at random. They call this phenomonon vacuum fluctuation. I have yet to read up on it in detail, so take this piece of information with a grain of salt.
>Do you have any frustrations about modern day society?
Yes, but I don't want to hide from it. I don't hate the people inside of it either. I hate the people who are pulling the strings in the background, the ones who manipulate everyone into being uncaring sheeples. I really wish for liberation for everyone.
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No.2195
>>1626
I would answer those question in a very similar way.
I've been meaning to read more about fictionalism for a while.
Do you have a fictional answer for where the worth of the fictions you find valuable comes from?
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No.2444
I think, if there is a god / gods, the void would predate them all.
It is the the origin of all thought, conscious or unconscious.
And thus, cannot be contained or limited by petty things such as reason, comprehension or understanding.
And cannot be contained / limited by mere consciousness, whether of itself or of those who observe it.
Every bit as undefinable and incomprehensible as chaos itself, if not more.
I think however; that the void can only be seen by those who have been open to it, you may even say; those it deems worthy enough.
Think of it like this, anyone can stare into nothingness, but very few can come back with new information, whether they recoil back from boredom or are too afraid of what happens if they are exposed for too long to.
Bottom line is, not everyone can stand the void, most easily get distracted, and for the few who can hold themselves in it, most of those don't stay too long themselves.
But those few who do manage to maintain that state of staring into nothingness, manage to comeback not empty handed, but with a much clearer perception of reality.
This is off course, just my opinion of it.
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No.2445
>>2444
I think you hit the nail on the head there. Have you done any void gazing lately?
Also, nice digits.
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No.2446
>>2445
Unfortunately not, at least not at the extent that I'd need to.
To get into the proper mindset, I'll need to put myself in the right mindset, this means no distractions such as the internet,
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No.2447
>>2446
Should have re-read my post, it's embarrassing to have redundancies.
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No.2449
>>2447
>>2446
I'd love to hear what you experience should you buckle down.
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No.2502
>What is the Void?
It's the Unmanifest; the Unconscious; the realm of possibility (and impossibility). It preceded all and will succeed all. It contains all and therefore contains nothing Everything arose from it. It exists within a dualism with it's Manifest or Creation counterpart; both together forms all of existence. The Manifest kinda acts like a filter that takes the Void and streams it into our existence.
>In your opinion, what ideas are compatible with it?
>In your opinion, what ideas are incompatible with it?
All ideas are compatible in virtue that the Void is all ideas. I would say that the only ideas that are "incompatible" are the ones that insist that the Void doesn't exist. In the grand scheme of things, however, that's just the Void pretending it doesn't exist, isn't it? You could also see it as the belief holder as one cell out of trillions, unaware of its ultimate purpose that it shares with all the other cells, but holds its single purpose of, say, carrying oxygen to one place to another as a blood cell as all there is and ever was.
>If the void is amoral does that mean that it's also apolitical? Do you even bother with politics?
The Void is both amoral and apolitical. It's also panmoral and panpolitical. I find politics to be more of a game than anything really important; a playground to entertain interesting ways to organize people in a way that's most satisfactory. The powers that be are in complete control, there isn't much to do besides avoid participating in their scheme. Outwardly (or rather consciously as I rather not show my full power level to normalfags), I'm a traditional monarchist, but under all of that is an understanding that it doesn't really matter.
>Do you have any frustrations about modern day society?
Many. I think everyone else in this thread pretty much has sufficiently explained the same gripes already.
I hope I articulated my points well enough; I'm not good in pinpointing and writing my thoughts clearly.
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No.2540
For a while I wondered if the Void is truth, now I see it only as an art.
>>1986
>>2147
>>2149
You must realize because of our fallen nature, our inclination to sin (pride, lust, greed), Man must enslave himself in order to prevent further sin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_view_of_sin for more on sin. The only time we were truly free was in the garden of Eden, when we were even ignorant of good and evil. Until the Judgement, Man's nature is a slave, however it has the option to choose the right master; God out of love, Satan out of deceit.
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No.2541
>>2540
Respectfully, no thnx to the christian stuff
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No.2561
>>2502
I think you ultimately got the message across.
> I find politics to be more of a game than anything really important;
I tell some friends something similar to this, funny enough, the friends I make are usually people who have tried to kill themselves in the past or have clinical depression.
I tell them that their friends, family, politics, religion, philosophy, finance, career and everything that comes with all of that are just glorified hobbies.
Something to pass the time, to convince yourself that you know how to survive in an uncaring universe, to convince you that you are worth any natural value, to convince you that you have an understanding of the world that surrounds you, to make you think that you're leaving a legacy / impact in history / people's lives, all while you wait for your inevitable end.
They usually agree with it, but only after having it sink in, which I find entertaining.
I myself have only tried to kill myself once when I was 11 or so, I'd say that was the first time I truly stared into the void, when I realized that there was no rational way for me to ever be happy in life, and that if I ever found happiness it would only be an illusion or a glimpse of it.
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No.2597
>>1571
>What is the Void?
A certain state of being that I have sought to pin down for a long time now. Darkness, the absence of light. The place where humanity is farthest removed from normally, and paradoxically the place where humans have most agency. More than that I can't say in words.
>In your opinion, what ideas are compatible with it?
Any idea that recognises that you are not the ultimate and that the rest of the universe is not necessarily involved in you.
>In your opinion, what ideas are incompatible with it?
Any idea that overrates your own importance and lays too much weight on society and connection.
>If the void is amoral does that mean that it's also apolitical? Do you even bother with politics?
Yes and yes. I bother with politics because even if they're not real in the truest sense, it doesn't make any difference to how they exist. Even if there is another dimension completely removed from ours, it doesn't make a difference to what happens here, so we end up at the same point we started. With our own affairs to worry about.
>Do you have any frustrations about modern day society?
Yes, kikes everywhere and behind everything. Globalism, the need to be (((connected))) to everything. The average man forced to integrate into a jew-infested and profoundly anti-nature structure to live his life.
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No.2598
>>2597
I think you'll like it here. How do you go about your day to day life with this in mind? Do you typically break rules?
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No.2638
>>1571
I feel as though my desire to escape society is manifesting as a desire to see it destroyed. A thirst for total annihilation. All I do all day is fantasize about terrorism and the collapse. I want the rush to be yet another insignificant person blown apart when the whole grotesque machine we call civilization comes crashing down.
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No.2639
>>2638
I was wishing that too when SoCal was dealing with earthquakes and aftershocks. I so desire a catastrophic reset button so it'll shuffle people's priorities and not get caught up in "The Game of Life" so much.
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No.2687
>>2444
>>2502
These two anons got it kinda right.
But I feel they're not talking about Void, they're talking about The Abyss of Primordial Chaos.
The literal Darkness Before Creation. Or at least what humans perceive as Darkness.
The Underlying structure of all (Un)Reality upon which all of this material realm was forced upon.
"It's the Unmanifest; the Unconscious; the realm of possibility (and impossibility). It preceded all and will succeed all. It contains all and therefore contains nothing Everything arose from it. It exists within a dualism with it's Manifest or Creation counterpart; both together forms all of existence."
One of the most common misconceptions of Abyss(Void) is that it is thought of as Empty. Everything in the Reality is contained in the Abyss, all the moments, everything that was, will be, would be or have been, all the convergent and divergent realities, all the emotions, expressed or unexpressed, all concepts and all ideas, everywhere and nowhere at the same time and at no time at all - but to the dabblers it is in unmanifested form - you can simply no longer perceive its singular parts as you could not divulge a single atom with a naked eye.
It is not Empty.
It is Full.
And some of Us, call it Home.
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