No.5473
I would like to discuss one of the biggest flaws in nofap's theory: the reboot. The reboot has been touted as the desired outcome of nofap, and it simply means becoming "normal".
However, achieving this normality requires one of the most arduous tests of will that a man can endure, one which is rarely pursued by men outside of special settings. Having no orgasm for 90 days (or longer) is a titanic task that should not be taken lightly.
This brings me to the central point of my argument, and I think this argument will help monkfags achieve much longer streaks. There is no such thing as a reboot, and anons are not trying to normalize when they go on nofaps. The self-improvement curve of a long nofap streak puts a practitioner far above normal, not only in terms of willpower, but also emotional insight and intellectual progress.
In other words, you are not using nofap to become a normal person, you are using it to become superhuman.
The main reason for starting this thread is to change the framing of the whole endeavor. Semen retention is used to gather truly immense power, and using it just because you want to be a normalfag with a sloppy gf that you can fuck raw is retarded.
We have to realize that we've come across something immensely powerful that we are just beginning to comprehend.
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No.5480
Mana conservation? You might even say it's magic, ya dumb frogposter.
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No.5484
Normalcy is relative and defined by the circumstances. Doctors say it's normal to expel your life force every day as if it was urine. They can go fuck themselves(follow their own advice).
Doctors don't have long life expectancy. Perhaps they do believe the bullshit they tell everybody else and practice what they preach after all.
You don't want to become norm-al. You want to become healthy. Rid your mind of interference and re-wire it so you don't have this filth taking over your brain.
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No.5489
What happens if you retain semen for 1,000 days and go into a nightclub?
Would all the succubi bown down to you?
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No.5499
>>5489
If all that sexual energy went from fapping to porn to getting a good career, getting fit and talking in a deep, confident voice… Then yes, said succubi will probably will want get down on their knees, pull down your pants and milk every drop of the potent seed that makes you a man in life.
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No.5500
>>5499
W-what if women don't like men, but just want their seed, and the better man the better seed?
Like, a biological wiring.
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No.5501
What is /nofap/'s views on marriage and sex for the sake of pleasure and reproduction? Can a man still become great, preserve his internal resources, and set out to accomplish his own ultimate goal while also being responsible for a little family and his wife?
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No.5502
>>5501
Reproduction should after all be top priority. Why become an Übermensch if you don't pass these genes to the next generation? Unless you want to become the next Tesla, than of course stay away from woman in general
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No.5503
>>5484
I like to think that as reality is one and objective and independent from our perspective, normalcy is merely the Gaussian mean between fat or fit, between sick and panimmune, between degenerate and emerald-pill. Basically, as I would call it, normalcy is fullfilling every biological need, including metaphorical ones, without becoming a danger to the fullfilment of needs by others.
I.e.: Alphas are normal, alpha negatives (those who sleep around and, for example) and betas aren't. Philosophers and other masters of arts are on the opposite end of the Gaussian bell relative to degenerates who listen to music made post-1900, but aren't normal; the former are over-normal, the latter are sub-normal.
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No.5506
>>5503
what defines who is more alpha between a group of alphas?
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No.5509
>>5506
The distinction between "alpha" and "beta" was an error in observation of wolves in captivity. In nature such a thing like alphas and betas don't occur. Instead, we human refashioned it to mean individuals who accomplish a set of biological needs: (please excuse my failure to upload a fitting caption, there is one)
- alpha: healthy spouse, healthy children, well within ability to provide for them; men are dominant, women are nurturers
- beta: the gender roles are reversed; this only occurs in unfavourable circumstances
- gamma: previously mentioned masters of arts, like philosophers, musicians, artists, architects, etc.; they're not needed for survival in the strict sense, but nice to have
There's also a positive-negative distinction, and as you guess correctly, says something about the benefit or damage to society; e.g., an alpha negative male is sleeping around and reduces the pool from which virginal wives can be chosen from (fidelity and virginity are correlated), and beta negative females are stryng yndypyndynt wymyn.
Optimally, everyone is alpha first and foremost, i.e., able to found and sustain a family so long to have their children found their own families.
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No.5510
>>5502
How about the act of sex for pleasure with ones partner?
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No.5518
>>5509
obligatory for keks
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No.5531
>>5510
Sex is usually mandatory for a relationship. Good thing is, unlike masturbation, sex will actually increase your testosterone. You will still lose nutrients though, so you shouldn't give it to the next best Semen Demon.
After all you shouldn't overthink this.
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No.5548
>>5503
> degenerates who listen to music made post-1900
Even if it's classical music that was composed in the first half of the twentieth century?
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No.5549
>>5509
>stryng yndypyndynt wymyn
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No.5605
>>5518
>mfw gamma positive
FUCK all the others :^)
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No.5622
>using it to become superhuman
Marvel and DC movies are sending everyone up the wall with impossible standards.
Nofap and no porn are different. 90 days without porn is supposed to be a reboot period after which a male's diminished sense of excitement at the female form can recover from the trivialisation or consumeristic shaping of his tastes by pornography and media, due to his "neuroplasticity" reintegrating over that interval.
To think in your terms of being an overman, would be like being locked in a fantasy where one can only realise their profound individual value by defying rules and upturning established precedent.
An overman like in Thus Spake Zarathustra would take a girlfriend or a wife and love her very much, because there the concept is more to do with enjoying life deeply. In which case 90 days no porn would be essential, but 90 days no fap wouldn't be.
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No.10916
>>5502
Reproduction is feminine. Fuck the future.
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No.10918
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No.11360
>>5501
sex is for making babies. this is the only time it's actually worth it. some could argue that having sex for other purposes can have value (or maybe they're just hedonists), but sex purely for the sake of procreation is the only type that has enough positive value to match the negative of losing your seed
>>10916
man reproduces
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No.11405
>>5500
That's literally exactly how it works.
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No.11406
>>5489
Someone who has somewhat done this reporting in, although I was only on 40 days.
Every girl in the place was eyeing me. Especially as I went with no intention of picking one up, giving me a 'don't give a fuck' aura on top of the pheromone cocktail. Only works if you also lift and take care of your appearance, though.
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No.11444
>>10916
You have it backwards. Sex with no regard for one's lineage is a feminine habit.
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No.11446
>>5500
>>11405
Woman depends on man for not just his seed but also his resources and strength (even today, your woman off the street costs much more than your man off the street thanks to welfare, feminine hygiene, etc.). Humans are sexually dimorphic in such a way where the male specialized in acquring resources and fending off predators while the female specialized in drawing in males to impregnate and provide for them (alongside whatever children they have).
Also, "better seed" needs to be evaluted within context of pre-Neolithic society. In such society, life is significantly more lethal. A woman would need to pick a man who could show he can keep her and whatever child she has safe and provided for. Women haven't really evolved for life post-Neolithic and what attracts them are men who would be supreme in a pre-Neolithic tribal society regardless of how appropriate they are in a civilized one. Hence the women of today using their fertile years to ride the cock carousel, fuck interracially (especially since women evolved to be less loyal to their ethnicity than men since conquerors would spare the attractive and/or fertile women as breeding stock), get into porn, you name it.
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