No.824 [View All]
>TFW you live in the most corrupt republic on the planet specifically created out of a peasant revolt against the british crown, which no claimants over the entirety of the modern country's territory whatsoever, and who's only claimants over certain parts of it are a ceremonial british hag and a deposed Hawaiian cheiftain
Fellow burgers of /monarchy/, how do you cope with your beliefs in such a society where monarchism is completely alien? Is the Mad Monarchist correct in the assertion that we all should just give up hope or move back to the Old World?
I myself am a Russian descendent from White Immigrants (grandfather was a minor noble who fought for Monarchists in the Russian Civil War)- and considering the fact that I can't seem to find any legitimate American Monarchist organizations- should I just get the hell out of dodge and join the Monarchist Party of Russia?
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No.2205
>>2202
I was asking because I was thinking of Moving to Poland later in life. I already know the Polish people are BASED af and currently rallying other (Eastern) European Nations agianst the EU.
>Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth when?
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No.2207
>>2205
Eastern Europe is one of the major advocates for the EU. Because it is the foremost profiteer thereof. They are only opposed to muslim immigration for quite obvious reasons.
Poles hate Lithuanians and vice versa btw. Both have respective minorities within their country and discriminate against them. The only reason the Baltics were allowed to join is trolling Putin. There are also major russian minorities in all Baltic states who are second class citizens. But when it's about russians the EU does not seem too concerned about minority rights.
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No.2210
>>2205
only korwin and me are based, the rest are cucks
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No.2212
>>2207
>Poles hate Lithuanians and vice versa btw.
Lithuanians still haven't recovered from being rused by Lucjan Zeligowski (pic related)
he pretended to defect
>>2201
Due to absence of Christ until the 2nd Coming Poland is under (((democratic))) regency rule.
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No.2224
>>2207
>Eastern Europe is one of the major advocates for the EU.
That's wrong. Eastern Europe is a hostage of EU, due to all their economies becoming export-based after the fall of USSR (and due to the nature of EU's market laws) and having their only market be the EU, due to EU's sanctions on Russia. The EU donations aren't even important – they are all stolen immediately, since it's easy as shit to steal them, and the country itself doesn't benefit much from them. Their only effect is the politicians in power lining their pockets. The real issue is that for eastern europe, leaving EU is the equivalent of an economic suicide, which is why they aren't leaving despite being increasingly unhappy with it.
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No.2585
If you want an American monarchy, you will need faith and hope.
Monarchy will have to be a cultural force before it can engage the American public. Your best bet is convincing the minds of thousands with songs, music, poetry, and art. Politics comes second, because politics only inspires division. You'll need to start with re-introducing the idea of liberty, because Americans live for liberty; talk about the Crown of Liberty and do not attack the Constitution for which it stands. The Constitution will have to be reinforced. The Executive Branch will need restructure. The other branches of government will have to find a harmony with the new monarchy, but it can be done much like the 2nd German Empire. The United States has striking similarities to that government because both are federations and both dealt with different bodies of government… it is just one had a monarchy and a strong heritage for it. For this reason, you need a cultural force to build a heritage around the idea of the monarchy. It has always been present in America, but it never surfaced so often especially after becoming a republic.
Justification? Speak on behalf of liberty, and speak on the injustice before King George III. This is the biggest obstacle. The Declaration of Independence challenges a monarch to begin with and speaks of crimes. Your best bet is to speak on behalf of justice always and no better way to go back to King Charles I who died unjustly. But the biggest injustice will have to come from the actual government itself, the republic and the virtues for which it stands, one nation, under God, and indivisible with liberty and justice for all. You see, there is the republic, and then there is the virtues it stands for.
There is the Constitution. The obstacle needs to sync the Crown with the Constitution. The monarch would have to take a title as "Defender of the Constitution" and the Crown would have to become like a beacon of liberty, a so-called "Crown of Liberty". The proclamation of the Crown should be just like the Constitution; the goal would be making the Constitution and the Crown inseparable and one body, perhaps the hardest obstacle of the monarchy itself regarding ceremony. The coronation itself would have to incorporate the traditions of the United States office and that would include revising the Oath of Office with the hand on the Bible. This would need a very symbol rehashing with the coronation event.
To better acquaint the American people with the monarchy, I would recommend a Bonapartist-style monarchy as seen across the continent, but it would have to be distinctly American. It would have to incorporate elements of the British monarchy, being the cultural ancestor of the United States, with the ideals of liberty. I recommend something as seen after the French Revolution with certain monarchs incorporating the ideas into the monarchy… like King Philippe I or Emperor Napoleon I or Napoleon III.
Honestly, despite all I said, you ought not to worry and simply hope. If you insist on becoming a politically active member, I recommend becoming an advocacy group but NOT a political party. Disdain political parties. Your best bet are actually non-political aims like becoming a better member of service on behalf of the government, like a soldier, a politician… or becoming something cultural like a writer or anything but your average politician.
>whose only claimants is British "hag" and Hawaii
You don't know the first thing about honor and respect. Fix that.
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No.2586
This dependence and hope on the ideals of political parties bringing back monarchy disgusts me so much. How could you depend on such a structure? There is no reason for the system itself to implement monarchy… it is so far out of reach if you're hoping to appeal through political parties.
It is no secret: I hate partisanship and most of all political parties.
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No.2587
To have the monarch, there are a few options:
#1: Invite a royal to accept the Crown from overseas.
#2: Someone so powerful will take it upon himself.
#3: Another power will absorb our sovereignty.
3 is the least likely option, but it could be like with Hawaii and their royal. There are very small remnants of a sort of American pro-monarchy heritage dispersed around the country's history.
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No.2656
>>2587
>#1: Invite a royal to accept the Crown from overseas.
Unfortunately, the whole emoluments clause was made explicitly to stop this. :/
Then again, the U.S. constitution is a dead letter anyways.
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No.2709
>>2586
>I hate monarchies
>I hate political parties
>I hate government
You dropped this, /leftpol/
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No.2710
>>2709
>he believes he'll re-establish monarchy by playing into the hands of republicans
Okay, good luck with that. I'm sure the republican government will allow this. A political party is an instrument of the republican government, so it is very self-defeating to take the role of partisan and be pro-monarchy. Only in countries without a monarchy is this a possible way to re-establish it because it would be the only means outside of someone with power inviting the royals back.
I don't hate government or monarchy, I hate partisanship.
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No.2711
Being a royalist partisan is a contradictory term. Your best bet is being an advocate, whatever it takes to separate yourself from the name of partisan. There are few royalist parties like Action Française.
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No.3101
>>828
>democracy, not republic
How?
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No.3102
>>931
No, the idea is that they claimed they were not being treated like British subjects despite being British subjects, as of the Bill of Rights (1689).
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No.3103
>>3102
*not that they didn't want any fiscal responsibility, but they felt they were being taxed unfairly
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No.3104
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No.3105
>>2038
>Changes in sovereignty will require changes to the dominant economic system.
This.
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No.3106
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No.3109
>Russian descendent from White Immigrants (grandfather was a minor noble who fought for Monarchists
Leave USA before your bloodline gets pozzed beyond salvage.
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No.3112
We're proposing a solution to the most corrupt republic and its cultural marxist hegemony. If anyone is interested in a Monarchist solution that is.
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No.3156
>>3112
Is this "Black Storm" an actual organization? Do they have a website?
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No.3164
>>3156
It is an actual organization. If you're interested let me know.
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No.3165
>>3164
I'm definitely interested. Legitimate Monarchist organizations are extremely hard to find in the US.
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No.3168
>>3165
Ok then, it's a small one, but so far it's the only legitimate Monarchist organization here.
uCSMtt
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No.3210
>>3168
>uCSMtt
What is that a discord invite?
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No.3213
>>3210
Yeah. If you're interested, let me know.
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No.3214
>>3112
You're proposing cultural marxist hegemony?
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No.3216
>>3214
Quite the opposite- we are a small, but growing, American Monarchist group that advocates for National Traditionalism. However, what makes us different from past monarchist groups in the US is that we do not seek to make the British Royal Family the heads of state- but rather a direct descendent of George Washington (we have pinpointed a living, rightful Monarch going by Britain's succession system). This is due to the fact that George Washington was of noble birth himself (unlike other presidents) and the fact that we seek to maintain America as a independent World Power- albeit with a much different foreign policy that what Neocons and Neoliberals push for now.
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No.3247
>>3216
What's the successor doing at the moment? If I might ask.
And yeah, I'd appreciate the invite, though I'm not too active on Discord at the moment.
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No.3248
>>3216
I support Barron Trump for the throne. Prepare yourself, pretenders!
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No.3249
>>3247
Right now the living succesor is a young man living an average life in Texas.
Here you go: GNavjy
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No.3267
>>841
>restoration of the british crown
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No.3268
This thread is very autistic and OP is a faggot.
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No.3276
>>824
The 2nd American Civil War will open the doorway for monarchies to arise - will it happen?
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No.3279
>>3276
Yes, anon. It would. The more states are separated, the more likely one could become a monarchy in the future. But it is no bet: the United States has less foundation for it, but history could permit it to happen.
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No.7173
>you'll never live in a burger space monarchy where you scramble with Russia and other world powers to colonize the solar system
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No.7201
>>824
I don't. America doesn't have the tradition for it and it's quite antiquated as far as organization goes, and finally there's no clear line of royalty in the U.S that wouldn't also make us a dominion under Britain instead of our own nation. You're not even technically allowed to accept titles such as knighthood from a foreign monarchy while you're an American citizen but that seems to have lessened overtime.
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No.7233
>>3276
>when America isn't the exact governmental and social system you want
<A CIVIL WAR WILL FIX THIS!
I know this feel, but we cant rely on fellow burgers killing themselves to do something actually right; at least not in year of our Lord 2019, when the most like cause of civil war is the supply of burgers running out.
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No.7240
>>7233
A civil war would be our only chance. We would have to install a monarch once the established powers are toppled.
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No.7252
>>7240
You'll just get the American version of the Russian Civil War and end up with a leftist regime even less restrained than the one before. Don't start a fight unless you're sure you'll win.
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No.7254
>>7252
And never assume you'll win just because "the right has all the guns." That's not how these things work.
jacobitemag.com/2017/06/14/political-violence-is-a-game-the-right-cant-win/
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No.7278
>>7240
You'd basically need something like communists overthrowing the government, and then the monarchists defeating the communists. Americans aren't going to accept some jackass with a crown stepping into a power vacuum.
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No.7329
>>7201
This idea that you can only draw from existing royal blood is relatively recent propaganda. Each of those bloodlines was started by someone.
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No.7341
>>3267
Lmao at that pic, I think if the british monarchy continues the way it's going right now, there will be no british monarchy.
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No.7371
>tfw America will probably never have a monarchy because of the country itself gained independence from fighting a King and George Washington was very against becoming a monarchy
>tfw actual modern day monarchies are cucked as fuck
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No.7380
>>7371
Honestly, there's no good candidates for monarch, and not enough for other positions of nobility.
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No.7393
>>7380
This is a lot like procrastination, it's like in today's totalitarian democracies where we can't even choose a new president for our countries because we are essentially giving someone so much power that everyone sort of becomes paralyzed with indecision and the elections start to feel like the start of a civil war.
The solution, and the number one goal of any American monarchist should be this: to decentralize the US into a thousand sovereign realms united by a loose confederacy that prevents civil war. It's easier to pick a minor lord to rule your city than it is to pick the king of the whole country, the further you decentralize, the easier it gets choose your ruler. For all intents and purposes, it's still a hereditary monarchy, the nobility will just have to compete and cooperate for the higher ranking titles and territories until you end up with a proper hierarchy of knights, barons, counts, dukes, and even a king.
Don't play the democrat's game, don't think like republicans, instead of arguing and banging your head against the wall trying to figure out who will be the best candidate-elect for the God-Emperor of all North America, do a bottom-up approach and figure out how this system of ranks and titles will work so that so that natural selection can (preferably peacefully) take place instead of a bureaucracy that would prevent the best of the nobility advance in rank. If you can't figure this out, you will always be handicapped as a movement, even if you would get quite popular, you will still be playing by liberals rules, trying to prove not only to outsiders but also to other monarchists that your specific candidate (assuming you even have one) will be the best choice for a long-lasting American dynasty.
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No.7397
>>7393
As I said, I don't think there's anywhere near enough good options to fill out the lower levels of the nobility. Any competition would inevitably have to be formulated by bureaucrats or run the risk of devolving into the very kind of civil conflict you're talking about avoiding.
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No.7891
Reposting question from another thread:
>>7879
What should be done with America? In an ideal world.
Would you have a Kingdom of America? What religion or culture would the monarch be from? Would it be a centralized realm or very decentralized like the HRE? Elective monarchy or hereditary? Would it have to be cut into multiple kingdoms? (Say Kingdom of Dixie, Kingdom of California, Kingdom of Texas… some ideas maybe).
How do you deal with the clusterfuck of religions, races, and ethnicities on this continent basically? Or do you just nuke it from orbit? Have fun with this thought experiment.
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No.7894
>>7879
>>7891
Depends on what you mean by ideal. On a certain level, an American monarchy would have existed pretty much from the country's independence.
>Would you have a Kingdom of America? What religion or culture would the monarch be from? Would it be a centralized realm or very decentralized like the HRE?
Who to make monarch is by far one of the biggest issues of modern American monarchism. Regarding culture, an American monarch is non-negotiable. As for the rest, a hereditary monarch reigning from DC over a union of American Principalities would be ideal. Some of the bigger and more populated states should probably be broken up, but otherwise the states are probably fine as the Principalities. Maybe a bit of merging of the really tiny ones on the east coast, but they tend to be much more densely populated so maybe not.
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