No.49
What is your honest opinion on America and it's revolution?
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No.50
>America
no history
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No.52
The French Revolution's older brother.
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No.54
the beginning of the end of monarchy
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No.59
Freemason operation, just like the French Revolution.
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No.60
>>59
It's interesting to note that George Washington (a freemason) spoke about the Illuminati infiltrating European freemasonry, and that it could infiltrate freemasonry in America as well. Of course, I don't think they are terribly different organizations. The American Revolution, which Washington was a part of, largely helped to serve the Illuminati; and freemasonry was mostly already under its control. Makes me wonder where Washington's loyalties lied. Or maybe he just didn't know what master he was serving.
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No.81
If I was the monarch, I would've given the thirteen colonies it's own parliament, I really don't know why they didn't do that, if they did America would have her majesty queen Elizabeth as their constitutional monarch.
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No.84
>>49
It was for the best of intentions, but it went the way of republics as expected.
Alexander Hamilton proposed that Washington become an elected monarch, but it was flatly rejected.
Wasted potential, really.
>>81
>implying Elizabeth is anything other than an eccentric rich person with no power
If anything, one of the high ranking nobility or crown prince should have come over and made a separate kingdom Brazil style.
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No.86
>>84
>Implying constitutional monarchs have no power.
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No.88
>>49
Their grievances against parliament were legitimate. They were not receiving their legal rights as Englishmen. It's not illegitimate to rebel against an unjust state.
>>84
>tfw no House of Washington watching over us
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No.90
Kingdom of the South when?
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No.92
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No.104
Honestly, it was an impressively clean revolution compared to many others. It did have its benefits, and widely changed the spectrum of governments. It's new-age philosophies have shaped the modern world. The revolution itself is neither bad, nor good, just hugely influential. The effects of it can be widely debated on how hurtful it was, but this is a whole other debate on top of that.
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No.113
I think that it could and should have been prevented, and that parliament and King George III really should have tried harder to understand the Americans and try to address their grievances. Plus, the prison ships were horrific. That said, I think that the American Revolution was unjust. The primary motivator, as I understand it, was taxes. The British had more taxes than the Americans did, and after the war the taxes in America were three times as high as before the war in order to pay for it. Plus, taxes are not a just cause for war. As a Christian, I would have been a loyalist. Romans 13 was written under a government much more cruel than Britain, after all. This article, even though I think it should be much more detailed and talk about the German auxiliaries more, is good: https://kennedyinstitute.georgetown.edu/files/KeownAmericasWar.pdf
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No.114
>>49
Also, I like my home state, Arkansas, much better than I like America right now. But it's not like every country in the world hasn't done bad things.
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No.124
>>113
Yes, I think your point on taxation is really important. I've heard from some sources that leading up to the revolution, the average British citizen was paying as much as 25 times higher in taxes than the average American. If I remember correctly, one of the later Tea Acts from the 1760's actually LOWERED the the tax on tea for the Americans. Certainly there's an argument to be made that the colonists weren't receiving their full political rights, but don't think for a moment that the revolution was due to excessive taxation.
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No.126
Never should have happened, the only reason it did was because of the terrible decline of the monarchy. I'm going to be flying my union jack flag this fourth of july ~*edgy*~
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No.146
I liked the part where they tried to free Canada a few years later and this ended up with the white house being burned down and the British training Indian tribes to raid the colonies.
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No.183
>>124
I know it's due to other things, too, but I think the taxation was the main driving force, right?
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No.194
Remember, the war was initially to fight for their rights as Englishmen. It wasn't until later on it became a war of independence.
Arguably, it could be justified, since the British government wasn't acting in a just manner towards the colonies. But it's definitely a rare exception, not the rule, for rebellions.
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No.201
>>183
The most common phrase before the revolution was "No taxation without representation". Taxes would have been ignored if the Crown made sure the colonies got their representation.
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No.222
It was an unjust insurrection. Excellent presentation of the Loyalist argument at this link: https://radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/american-rebellion/
The war was decided not by the colonists, but by France, Prussia, the Netherlands (and I think Spain may have played a part as well). The thirteen colonies simply served as a proxy war for Britain's enemies to make the empire suffer; I imagine the French crown thought this would be excellent revenge for the Seven Years' War. Talk about blowback
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No.224
I honestly despise the US. If I could, I'd rip Lincoln and Madison's throats out.
t. Born and raised in the US of Gay
>>59
Also this
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No.252
>>84
Hamilton may have been saying it to take an extreme position to help Madison during the Convention. Though Hamilton was definitely for some form of pseudo-aristocracy/nobility like most Federalists.
Shame really, there's probably good alternate history to write regarding America with a Golden Freedom-esque system.
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No.255
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No.277
>>86
This
In a constitutional monarchy, the only thing with a higher authority than the king is the constitution
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No.287
>>113
>That said, I think that the American Revolution was unjust.
>As a Christian, I would have been a loyalist.
Even as an American, I'd have to agree with you and be a Tory. The Americans did have many legitimate grievances as you mentioned and I wish that King George III took a more proactive approach. However, the Americans needed to chill the fuck out a bit.
>>114
I love my Michigan more than this union now.
>>84
>>252
I would have been fine if the Federalist Party had George Washington as the new monarch of America. Even though Washington was a pretty bad military commander, he seemed to be just and honest. Imagine him being the High King of America.
Also, Washington didn't have kids but he adopted his step-grandson, who was descended straight from House Hanover and House Stuart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Parke_Custis
>George Washington Parke Custis (April 30, 1781 – October 10, 1857), was the step-grandson and adopted son of United States President George Washington, and father-in-law of Robert E. Lee.
>tfw Washington, Parke Custis, and Lee could have been our monarchs
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No.292
>>60
Unfortunately, you don't need to be a Freemason to be a republicuck.
President Washington only ever went to two meetings and, later in life, disavowed the organisation.
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No.293
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No.318
>>113
I agree.
It's also worth mentioning that the United States wasn't even a "democracy" for a long time after the revolution. They based their country on the English system, Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus, and the House of Lords. In this way it was distinctly different from the French Revolution.
Rather than being allies, they chose to be enemies. They still are Britain's enemy to this day.
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No.349
>>49
English Civil War part two. Whigs were butthurt that Cromwell sucked, and they wanted a republic back. That's why you hear the Loyalists called Tories but never the rebels called Whigs (because it would have been really bad for the Whigs in London). Interesting to note that a lot of the Brit generals were Whigs, and maybe that's why they fought like shit. As far as the taxes and such, The 13 colonies had some of the most lax colonial laws in the entire empire. If I remember right, there were even a couple colonies who didn't have to send their laws to Britain to be approved. They were basically sovereign. The whole revolution was a huge mistake, essentially.
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No.351
>>49
they got mad due to high taxes that Britain was putting on them from the 7 years war, they werent being represented to their liking in Britain (by an american) and they revolted. Instead they could of complained and went about it a different way and is now a bloated cesspool of its revolution ideals.
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