No.3874
Can we discuss this superior form of Monarchy?
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No.3876
Every monarch death it'd be the same thing. You'd have the following face off against each other:
- Petty one-dimensional ojou-sama who is literally retarded and gives off "Hohoho"s the entire season.
- Big Boobs McTits Monster who doesn't give a flying shit about the crown because she's getting married to some foreign prince by the season's end anyways, but everyone thinks she's the main competition.
- Tsundere lesbian who is basically ojou-sama's stooge.
- Shrinking violet who gets absolutely demolished in popularity by something bullshit and conniving that the ojou character does.
- Cooldere Rei stand-in.
- Average McAveragePants who is naive and socially retarded.
Tsundere is never in the picture, shrinking violet seppukus because of ojou's bullshit, ojou ends up shooting herself in the foot as people realize how cruel she is but tsundere supports her bullshit as some second-tier noble, Rei helps out Average and they think they're allies against Ms. Boobs until she announces her wedding and checks out from this popularity contest, it looks like Average has it in the bag until Average finds out that Rei is daddy's favorite and Average is thrown in a gundam and whines about it while her mother dies–everyone loses respect with Average, Rei wins, and Average slinks off in room imagining people clapping and saying "Congratulations" to her for all eternity.
Every.
Fucking.
Time.
No, but seriously, I don't understand the support for electoral monarchy. It sounds like the worst of both worlds. With non-electoral systems you at least have a CHANCE of someone not being a power-hungry bitch.
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No.3986
>>3876
Hmm well electoral Monarchy gives the people a choice of their Monarch from among the previous Monarchs children. So that way there is both family continuity, and a choice for the people. Technically, being power hungry is not as necessary as wining the heart of the people. Being a princess idol would be one way. Cognac succession also made a lot of sense in the past, because it wasn't always easy to tell who the father was.
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No.3988
>>3986
Sounds like a democracy hybrid. These sound contentious enough in theory. I would imagine other generations hating the previous one if they feel their monarch doesn't serve their current generational whims and bothers. I wouldn't be entirely against it as long as there was a way to bridge down a dynastic culture to the people too.
>electoral monarchy
It doesn't have to become a mass political game. There could be aristocrats who participate and vote for the monarchy. A series of houses and royals who elect an emperor.
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No.3989
Nowadays though, Cognatic succession doesn't really have a point. So just pure Electoral Monarchy makes more sense… but I want Idol princesses fighting for the hearts of the people!
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No.3990
>>3988
Use that is a system where only nobles vote… but I think giving the people at the death of the past Monarch makes since.
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No.3992
>>3990
Argh. *no Use and *Makes sense
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No.3993
>>3876
> It sounds like the worst of both worlds
Conversely it could be the best of both worlds, and elections are held so rarely, if at all In case there is only one child
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No.3994
>>3988
>It doesn't have to become a mass political game. There could be aristocrats who participate and vote for the monarchy. A series of houses and royals who elect an emperor.
You're bridging dangerously close to the Polish Sejm there anon.
Also
>Sounds like a democracy hybrid. These sound contentious enough in theory.
This. I think the cultural component of a monarchy is important.
>>3989
>but I want Idol princesses fighting for the hearts of the people!
I don't see how making it a popularity contest, although interesting because we all love our idol Love Live anime, wouldn't end up putting the most power hungry in charge.
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No.3999
>>3992
Anon, you are free to delete and repost. Nobody's gonna bite you. At least, I won't
>voting
Eeeeeee, I still dislike the idea. Most of us here have a prejudice for male-preferred primogeniture as the best suited monarchy. I don't like voting because I feel it opens the gates to divide the general public further. My only favorable outlook with this is it does help reduce partisanship as a concept through voting.
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No.4013
>>3999
>But the voting is just once a lifetime.
Rather than divide the Public I think it would lend legitimacy to the new Monarch. Especially if the voting was mandatory as it must be.
Electoral Monarchy, where the children of the dead Monarch all become candidates to become the next King/Queen, and all the people vote (universal suffrage). After this, royal candidates then vote amongst themselves with the votes they received from the public. Voting continues until only two Candidates remain, with Candidate with highest votes becoming the next King/Queen.
If the now dead previous Monarch does not have children or has only one child, the choices expand to include the dead Monarch's siblings.
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No.4014
>>3994
In someways you want someone that wants to be King or Queen, especially if limited to Children of the past Monarch. Think of Kind Edward… who abdicated for a divorcee. Or what if Prince Harry was actually next in line for the throne… You would want a vote to say no to royal nigger marriage forever tainting the royal line. Of course if all the royals have no shame then we're screwed.
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No.4015
>>4013
The cuteness is hard to resist.
However, on principle, I dislike the idea of people directly choosing their monarch. They will sense they are able to simply cast the monarch off, or they will replace the spiritual/authoritative aspect of monarchy. Potentially divide the household with political tension and make the siblings like politicians. It also distances the royal family from being above politics.
Hm, I must admit, there is something fun about the scenario. It does surpass a republic in its democratic terms. It is usually that the people vote and it goes between others to have the executive. In this model, it is the closest way I imagine a direct democracy being fulfilled. It's where the people vote in a monarch, and the monarch fills up government positions and other key officials.
In the Hobbesian sense, this is unnecessary and it is usually best to not mix government types. However, from the point of view of social contract from him, the monarch does legitimately rule – from his explanation on social contract – through the consent of the People as a sovereignty with their monarch. Pic related. Since they conceive and accept that justice, and recognize that sovereign as a sovereignty and land, the people become akin to the monarch. This is one way you could cleverly argue on premise for a burger monarchy for those anons posting in that other thread – if you thought the idea of government being of the People – was a political obstacle. There are absolutist answers.
In general, I am also tired of burger monarchy threads. It is unlikely unless higher powers concede or the entire country breaks apart
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No.4016
Sorry, anon.
I only imagine the monarch dying, a grave and sad moment. Suddenly surpassed with the ballot box coming out and public ridicule and political pandering sweeping the solemn funeral and breaking the respect and mannerisms toward the monarchy. If I didn't have such a negative view of democracy and voting, I wouldn't be skeptical here. It just doesn't sit well with me. If voting floats your boat, anon, that's okay and I'm glad to have you on /monarchy/.
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No.4018
On a side note, I will say that it doesn't mean the monarchy is completely consensual from this point of view. There is a chapter in Leviathan and Christian Commonwealth explaining how a people are to receive a monarch from God and basically consent. This exegesis isn't foreign to the Hobbesian explanation. There are grounds for sovereign legitimacy without plain authority, but also divine mandate from the Divine Right perspective. This is not the traditional aspect of it. Some people suggest Hobbes is opposed to Divine Right doctrine, but I don't think he naturally rules it out. Although I have read otherwise in other places. This is where I read it. Divine Right usually is read from Bossuet and Filmer, btw anon
This pov is espoused with Maistre, pic related, actually. There is a Maistre thread up please go visit it
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No.4019
this >>4018 meant for >>4015
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No.4020
>>4014
On the contrary, anon, it reinforces the responsibility of monarchy. It is not merely a desire, whether you want or not want, but a responsibility for the sovereign to take the mantle of authority. It is discouraged to abdicate and not abstain from duty. It is a life-long vocation.
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No.4023
If the voting was aristocratic, it would be safer. When voting becomes viable through mass politics, it becomes uniquely totalitarian. You turn an authoritarian structure of monarchy into a totalitarian sweep with democracy as a means of choosing the monarch. Again, without partisanship and choice over candidates, perhaps this is the fairest model of mass politics conceived. Or, perhaps not.
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No.4242
>>4023
>>3874
Sounds like the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, basically nobles elected a king, only nobility was inherited from the father, so by the time it ended something like 10-15% of the population could vote, which funnily enough was comparable or potentially greater than the early United States
Sounds elegant but it devolved into a clusterfuck, the nobles after a point kept electing foreign dynasties, probably the worst offender was the Liberium Veto. Basically every legislative session could be vetoed by any one representative, note the entire session not an individual law. Turns out foreign powers just started bribing legislators, nobles and electors to paralyze the kingdom and the PLC didn't recover ending up being carved up by its neighbours.
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No.4283
>>4020
how is monarch responsible? can he get punished? you mean coup?
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No.4286
>>4283
Religion is the last discipline of man.
>punished or coup
No, not in that kind of way. The sovereign isn't responsible to a small multitude of people or the whim of a partisanship. Or a percentage of a consensus.
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No.4304
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No.5692
Bump for righteous victory!
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No.5697
>election
>monarchy
Go back to /liberty/
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No.5708
>>5697
>election
>/liberty/
Come on now.
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No.5725
>>5708
Any notion of rule that's open to election is liberty-tier talk.
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No.5726
>>5725
Find me at least one pro-democracy thread on /liberty/, or stop pulling things out of your ass.
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No.5727
>>5726
why does he have asian eyes?
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No.5732
>>5727
Distraction tactics.
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No.5758
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No.5764
>>5727
It helps him spot commies from his helicopter.
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No.5786
>>5697
>>5708
https://meguca.org/nya/
The voting would be limited to selecting the crown princess from among the royal princesses (daughters of the Queen) of the realm. Let's also have a make in Constitutional Electoral Cognatic Monarchy by having the constitution define the process of succession and election as well as enshrining the NAP as the only law leaving the Queen to judge infractions… nya~
Seriously though, Cognatic Succession was the superior form of succession prior to genetic paternity testing
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No.5787
>>5786
>have a make in
<Make it
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