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 No.3040

Is it not true, that whichever man is married to the most beautiful woman, is the true alpha of the society and most worthy to be King?

Man's nature is to marry the most beautiful woman he can manage, and whichever man manages the most beautiful woman must have the most worth according to her. It may seem odd to count on this woman's appraisal so much but it is far more comprehensive than any other measure.She will have measured not only his looks, though they are important, but his wealth, his demeanor, his social ability etc.

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 No.3046

No.

The King is the King. It isn't selective in this manner.

>measured not only his looks, though they are important, but his wealth, his demeanor, his social ability etc.

Thots will be thots.

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 No.3053

>>3046

I should have explained that this would be only a way to choose the first monarch rather than a long-running feature.

After that, monarchy is natural because of kin selection (leaders wish to leave their power to their children) and because it preserves a continuous identity of state.

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 No.3054

>>3046

>Thots will be thots.

What do you mean by this though? Women will tend to choose based on bad criteria?

I did say marriage rather than something short-term

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 No.3055

>>3054

>>3053

Why did you title your thread "Beauty and Worth" with two ugly persons?

Imo, Aristocracy is about cultivating strength before money and those things. But when strength is achieved, sometimes money and such fortune accompany those things. Status has always been about being responsible for other people and often those with a higher status receive the higher end of the wealth. I'm more concerned about the demeanor and social ability part more than wealth, but I don't deny that wealth doesn't factor in.

Strength (apart from physical strength) requires moral power and virtues. Willpower and determination. Honor and steadfast loyalty accompanies these things. Wealth is a socio-economic factor; the people with higher status who are responsible for more people often have higher degrees of wealth. It doesn't make them honorable yet, but the honor comes with praise and power. Praise and power are accompanied with power over other people; power comes with honor and authority allots honor and virtues accompany honor. The moral strength of virtues cannot be stripped, but the honor of the aristocracy and so on might be stripped.

>way to choose first monarch

Nobody chooses anything.

The first monarch acts and establishes authority through other means. The people who follow accompany with honor and then consenting to obey.

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 No.3056

Sometimes foreign intervention chooses, but that's a different story.

There are different arrangements for each monarchy. They don't develop the same way. Often the choice is handed to the monarch first and then the monarch chooses to act. For accept, the choice to accept an invitation. We all like to think the first monarchs were heroic. Maistre asserts that a sovereignty and people consist together; the sooner a monarch establishes the laws and unites a people, they follow and receive their identity and national culture. The best example of this is the mythological tales of Rome and Romulus

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 No.3057

>>3055

>Nobody chooses anything.

Why not? Why couldn't this work?

>The first monarch acts and establishes authority through other means.

What other means?

>>3056

>Often the choice is handed to the monarch first

By whom? And how would they choose?

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 No.3058

>>3057

>Why not?

Because that's not how a hereditary monarchy works. You can have an elective monarchy with different houses and dynasties, idc. Or, you can argue on behalf of social contract theory. But it doesn't necessarily mean that "The People" choose.

>why couldn't this work

It could work, but from my lenses I prefer a monarch who acts rather than being chosen.

>what other means

Tyrannical means, deeds, actions, ousting or defending a group of people, being the first founder of city, heroic actions, being the first to lead and bring accomplishments. There are other ways to take authority without being chosen.

>By whom?

I'm thinking of Emperor Maximilian I of the 2nd Mexican Empire. The Emperor was invited there by conservatives who wanted a monarchy and also because Napoleon III was looking into the region.

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 No.3073

>>3058

>Because that's not how a hereditary monarchy works

A hereditary monarchy could choose the first monarchy according to any principle they wanted.

>Tyrannical means, deeds, actions, ousting or defending a group of people, being the first founder of city, heroic actions, being the first to lead and bring accomplishments.

Deeds and accomplishments don't, on their own, bring authority. At most they make it easier to try to assert your authority. I don't see anyone, no matter their accomplishments, being able to instil themselves as monarch on that basis.

Ousting, defending etc. is simply not going to happen in modern society with its absolute monopoly on force. Even if it did, it would not be seen as an acceptable basis for authority.

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 No.3075

>>3073

Bringing authority is an accomplishment.

At this point you're just agreeing with me as I agreed with you.

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 No.3077

>>3040

Eternal anglo pls

Who can find a woman of worth?

Far beyond jewels is her value.

[…]

Charm is deceptive and beauty fleeting;

the woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.

Acclaim her for the work of her hands,

and let her deeds praise her at the city gates.

Besides, pls take a close look guys. The anglo would rather some random whore choose instead of God. He is the epitome of a cuck and that's what England looks like right now.

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 No.3081

>>3075

>Bringing authority is an accomplishment.

Maybe so, but this doesn't mean accomplishments automatically generate authority. It seems to me you have made a category error.

>>3077

>The anglo would rather some random whore choose

The woman isn't choosing the monarch directly, we are counting on her choice of mate to be a reflection of who we ought to choose for King.

>instead of God

And how would you get God to choose? I thought the thing about God was, He doesn't interfere directly in world affairs like that (some would say, conveniently).

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 No.3083

>>3081

You need to lurk more until you understand divine right and get the big gay out of your head

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 No.3085

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>>3081

>>3073

I'm not the other anon, but… where are you going with your natural selection idea if accomplishments, deeds, and virtues don't matter? They don't get you authority, this is correct. They help along the way. Authority comes from sovereignty. What I meant about the variables of that office is that an authoritarian can be tyrannical, killing or subjugating a people to rule, or a ruler can be benevolent and take the weight of the law of a pre-existing system. How it initially starts is obscure. I would be willing to agree with you about natural selection and a steady growth of hierarchy and leaders within a community. My point is a leader is definitely someone who acts, that being the one who chooses.You're correct that the leader can set down the first principles of the monarchy and establish the tradition.

>modern society

I don't know what to tell you. If you're powerful enough to defend, nobody is going to remove you. Look at North Korea and the desire to have a nuke.

>and how would you get God to choose?

As far as I know, God allows; all power of choice is simply a gift of grace and monarchies rule by grace. What God does with providence is another stoy. The relationship between God and monarchies is giving and receiving. God gives power, and monarchies -recognize- their authority they presumably have already. It's the same for every other government that doesn't recognize God, except they simply don't know what grace they act upon and they don't recognize it.

>The woman isn't choosing the monarch

Yes, mating process isn't traditionally who chooses. A consort comes along and fulfills a role and the monarch can choose other concubines.

The problem with this Darwinist ideal is that aristocracy cannot maintain itself forever. You are left with good times and bad times and good leaders and bad leaders regardless of how meritocratic you try to become. When an aristocracy is born, the aristocrats use whatever means to preserve aristocratic elements in their offspring. To pass on the aristocracy, the aristocrats send their offspring to higher education, educate them on the intellect, and they try to keep this position.

The same applies for skilled labor over unskilled labor. These are typically middle class individuals. The skilled laborer who triumphs over the unskilled laborer tries to preserve his offspring and interests by sending the child to be taught in the profession of his skill. This could be a form of higher education or personal training, extending the tradition into the family.

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 No.3091

>>3085

>where are you going with your natural selection idea if accomplishments, deeds, and virtues don't matter?

I never said they didn't matter, I just made the point that achievements don't result in a monarch. Nobody makes aspersions towards power on the back of achievements and neither would modern society allow them to take it.

>mating process isn't traditionally who chooses.

I know, I just came upon it as a natural, external way to choose a monarch. It doesn't involve any politics. And it makes sense to the primate brain, if we're being reactionary anyway and all that

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 No.3095

Daily reminder that Anglos are worse than jews

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