No.1859
What was the first monarchy? How long has it been around? Does it predate our species, or anything like it?
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No.1861
>>1859
>What was the first monarchy?
Kingdom of God
>How long has it been around?
N/A
>Does it predate our species, or anything like it?
Yes.
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No.1864
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No.1866
>>1859
I do not believe that any historian could point you to the oldest instance of monarchism among humanity since Kings have been spoken of for the entire duration of recorded history. I imagine that temporal authority has existed in the form of a monarch holding at least a majority of the power for as long as cities have been around. Monarchism is a form of government that comes most naturally to people. The rulers are reared from birth to be rulers and are typically from the bloodline of former rulers. Dynastic changes only really occur when the heir to the throne become ineffective and loses his ability to rule. Hinderances to this model really only arise from either rotten heirs or heirs that are not raised in a regimented and strict fashion in order to instill in them base elements of discipline, honor and agency.
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No.1873
>>1859
Monarchy and aristocracy can gradually evolve out of tribalism. I don't think a hard cutoff point can be estbalished, but at any rate that would be a hard task.
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No.2090
Monarchy predates man tbh. Democracy is a human invention.
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No.2118
>>2090
is ant colony a monarchy?
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No.2119
>>2118
It might be. Pic related.
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No.2126
>>2119
Still waiting for that pic.
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No.2127
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No.2136
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No.2225
That's difficult to say. Do you consider a tribe chieftain to be a monarch, if he has unlimited powers and it is known his son will succeed him? If not, what more is needed? If yes, then we're going to the literal origins of human society. If you're liberal with the term, we could go even further back and say that the alpha member of a pack is also a monarch, in a way, in which case we would go back to the very origins of life itself.
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No.2521
>>2090
>a man-made structure predates man
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No.2532
>>2521
I think he means that you can see traces of hierarchical structure in our animal kingdom cousins, which suggest that there is an evolutionary biological basis for this.
Don't go all Cathy-Newman-"So you think society should be based on crab people"-word-twisting on us.
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No.2533
>>2532
>>2521
He could be stating simple theology.
Christ is the first-born of Creation and is King of Kings. All of Creation was possible through God. Therefore, from a Christian perspective, monarchy predates man.
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No.2534
I don't buy this primitive view of early tribal man who apparently wasn't a patriarch. Most idealists defeat themselves with their tribal banters without realizing that patriarchy pre-exists this state of tribal government because the origin of the individual is through their parents and obviously the father had a role of authority over his offspring.
Many already consider tribal chieftains to be a form of monarchy rather than the republicans who convinced themselves these tribes are all the same. Many tribes developed differently throughout the world, so it seems to be a useless arrangement for them.
>muh statism
It is all because of egalitarian dogma.
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No.2547
>>2521
>asserting your answer by implying the question is ridiculous
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No.2985
My favorite point of view is how monarchy emphasizes the human condition as eternal. The monarchy represents a mastery of relationships like Confucius is said to have taught. It begins with the emperor-subject relationship and narrows to familial relationships. Each is incorporated in the monarchy. For what a monarchy stands for, it needs no clear ideological tenets prescribed as seen in a constitution. The system itself is a fine enough representation of what rights men have to begin with.
I admire chivalry for what it is in this context. People desire a purpose to fulfill their lives, even servitude becomes an honorable profession to a degree. With hierarchy, I believe what others are responsible for, like what people and how many – that is what establishes a status between a man and another man.
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No.3008
>>2985
Are you saying that we should choose monarchy because it endows the public with a sense of purpose and meaning?
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No.3010
>>3008
I didn't mean for that to come out all Cathy Newman "So you're saying that lobsters…"
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No.3011
>>3008
I didn't say we should choose anything. I don't see monarchy as something people simply choose like they do at an ice cream shop, but they can certainly strive for it at their own risk…
This is what I believe is a beneficial aspect of a monarchy. It certainly does instill a sense of purpose in a world that is only concerned with the mediocre. Nobody really fancies anything epic or grand, neither is anyone content with what they have. It is an eternal problem, but I think a monarchy brings in a better atmosphere compared to the political idealism we have in the world with its ideological tenets and so on. It sets aside political games and galvanizing people and lets people become people rather than some political body of voter drones.
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No.3041
>>2985
Why does it represent a 'mastery of relationships' better than democracy? In democracy the relationship between ruler and ruled is based on the consent of the governed, which represents the taming of the relationship until government is of the people, by the people, and for the people, rather than an unwanted extractive institution.
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No.3045
>>3041
It doesn't work like that. "The People" aka political parties and their representatives constantly vie and conspire for a place of rulership. I'm not saying monarchy is perfect either, but it doesn't confront the multitude with politics rather it rules over them like any authority. The drive to isolate People into political bodies attempts to isolate them from each other.
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