No.1116 [View All]
Sorry for the simple topic but I wanted to ask,
Is your monarchy religious or secular? Or would you prefer a different approach, like the monarch deciding it?
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No.5817
>>5816
>nigs and chinks
>data n/a
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No.5818
>>5816
>No it doesn't since there's plenty of evidence that cannibalism is detrimental.
The point is that if humans and animals are the same, then it's okay to treat people like animals and it's okay for people to behave like animals, e.i. eating their own shit, fucking everyone who will sleep with them, homosexuality, incest, general degeneracy as all of these and more are practiced by animals.
>You mean the Beaners? Or Achmeds? Both live in shitholes when not propped up by Whitey?
The arabs aren't even a composite race. In fact they're probably more racially pure than anybody else because of all the incest. And most of the reason they live in shitholes is because of Israel and infighting among themselves. The Ottoman empire was wildly successful for a very long time and contributed significantly to science and technology.
>Romans were hardly different from modern Central Italians (who are safely Western European).
Doesn't matter. The Romans were a composite between Trojans and Sabines. Unless you're going to claim that Titus Livy was an anti-white zog bot, in which case, you're just mentally retarded.
>Tell us more on how the dastardly royals force the commoners to favor those they are genetically closer to over the way less.
Nobody is denying that people tend to cling to their own. But if the purpose of human existence is reduced to passing on your genes, there is a higher incentive to race mix especially for people who are low in the social pecking order since they wont be the ones to deal with the consequences.
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No.5823
>>5818
>The point is that if humans and animals are the same, then it's okay to treat people like animals and it's okay for people to behave like animals, e.i. eating their own shit, fucking everyone who will sleep with them, homosexuality, incest, general degeneracy as all of these and more are practiced by animals.
>falling for muh ghey animals meme
>missing the point anyway
Animals like chimps or dolphins don't do cannibalism when they aren't disorded. Homosexuality is also either not at all prominent in the wild or not what cucks like you say it is.
The arabs aren't even a composite race. In fact they're probably more racially pure than anybody else because of all the incest.
>he believes this
Arabs have Nigger blood from mingling with slaves. The Far East Asians are more homogenous. They also have less garbage societies overall.
>And most of the reason they live in shitholes is because of Israel and infighting among themselves.
Arabs are low-trust. Look it up.
>The Ottoman empire was wildly successful for a very long time and contributed significantly to science and technology.
>WE WUZ KANGZ
The Ottomans achieved little or none not derived from outside or their subordinate populations like Jews. They also largely won wars against backwaters. Sick man of Europe.
>Doesn't matter. The Romans were a composite between Trojans and Sabines. Unless you're going to claim that Titus Livy was an anti-white zog bot, in which case, you're just mentally retarded.
>trying this hard to shill racemixing
The Romans didn't accept unconditionally mingling with non-Romans. Caesarion was distrusted for his ancestry.
>Nobody is denying that people tend to cling to their own. But if the purpose of human existence is reduced to passing on your genes, there is a higher incentive to race mix especially for people who are low in the social pecking order since they wont be the ones to deal with the consequences
How do you think men became hostile to racemixing if it's not from nature's law
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No.5834
>>5817
it is because they dont marry each other right?
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No.5838
>>5834
Yes. The absolute lack of any virtue-signaling on the part of the yellow people is the funny part.
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No.5963
>>5823
>Animals like chimps or dolphins don't do cannibalism when they aren't disorded. Homosexuality is also either not at all prominent in the wild or not what cucks like you say it is
Wrong again. Chimpanzees regularly practice cannibalism when fighting with other tribes of chimps. Dogs commit homosexual acts all the time and it doesn't matter what reason it's for.
>Arabs have Nigger blood from mingling with slaves. The Far East Asians are more homogenous. They also have less garbage societies overall.
The Arabs sterilized their black slaves and that's why there isn't a populace of distinctly blacks Arabs in the middle east the same way there is in America. And besides that, racemixing is against nature's law, remember? And look at all the studies you yourself provided proving that that people of different races tend not to mix well.
Japan has plenty of it's own problems, particularly involving suicide and infertile men and don't even try to make China look good, you double nigger.
>The Romans didn't accept unconditionally mingling with non-Romans. Caesarion was distrusted for his ancestry.
Has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
>How do you think men became hostile to racemixing if it's not from nature's law
Because it's immoral to mix together what God/the gods created to be separated. If there is no God, there is no natural law, only chaos and whoever can immortalize themselves through reproduction is in the right.
Let me repeat myself one last time. If the struggle between the cultures is reduced to the struggle between genes to replicate themselves, racemixing will be not only be incentivized but justified for the less attractive members of any given race. Since man is just an animal, the only reason for his existence is to pass on his genetic legacy, racemixing is a means to accomplish this therefore racemixing is justified and the one committing the deed cannot be faulted because he is only an animal carrying out his biological programming. And before you winge like an edgy faggot about how the less desirable members of society don't deserve to reproduce, note that many of the smartest and more influential inventors, philosophers, and scientists were quite unattractive. Isaac Newton, for instance, never had any children.
In conclusion the divine origin and dignity of man is required to aim for a higher ideal.
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No.5975
Pantheist. No atheists allowed.
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No.5986
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No.6009
>>1576
>Christians are subservient to jews
>who are Marcion Of Sinope, St. Paul, and Russian Orthodoxy.
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No.8674
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No.8675
>>1572
Seems like an ancap thing, sure
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No.8676
>>1541
I admire that in spite of mostly despising them. That's why best thing is to turn your beliefs into a religion, therefore you get tax exempt status
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No.8677
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No.8684
>>8677
Marcion was a heretic
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No.8685
>>1116
To the secularists I would appeal: every in history society needed a strict moral-religious code to function. Very few can operate without religion. Most go completely nihilist-materialist.
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No.8687
>>8684
Dualism is the truth. Stop listening to church councils and start gaining direct spiritual insight through gnosis, it will open your eyes.
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No.8688
>>1204
Merely because religion has had a monopoly on the concept of god doesn't mean they are the defacto controllers of it.
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No.8689
>>8687
Dualism is a lie and Marcion is a liar.
One cannot just forgo the Old Testament because you don't like what it teaches. Jesus Himself even said He came to fullfill God's law, not abolish it.
Secondly, you will never reach Gnosis only some corrupt BS on what you think is Gnosis. For God is infinite and your brain is finite. The fact that you would even dare to suggest that the god of the Old Testament was different than God of New Testament is utter blasphemy. God never changed, humans did. Protestantism is poison, the Revival of the gnostics is proof of that.
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No.8691
>>8687
Are you an unironic gnostic monarchist? Or is this ironyfaggotry?
If you do Christianity, do it right people.
>Stop listening to church councils.
>Jesus taught gnosticism
Nice try, kook.
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No.8693
>>8685
Society should be distinct from the state, even though the two are related. Secular does not mean atheist, and I would actually argue that an atheist state is NOT secular.
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No.8696
>>8689
>For God is infinite and your brain is finite.
If God is not knowable, He is not divine. An omnipotent God certainly allows His devotees to understand Him, for it is within His power.
>>8691
>Jesus taught gnosticism
Early Christians weren't deluded by the Jews and believed in all sorts of things that have been forgotten such as reincarnation, vegetarianism and meditation.
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No.8698
>>8687
>>8696
looks like someone is still thinking like a republican
>Early Christians believed in Vegetarianism
Romans 14:2
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No.8701
>>8696
<God is not divine
The absolute state of protestantism
>2 Peter 1:3
seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence
>Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse
>Acts 17:29
"Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
You do not worship God, you worship your man made traditions that is based in (((Kabbalism))).
REPENT HERETIC
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No.8705
>>8698
Someone hasn't read the Gospel of the Ebionites, I see. Jesus spoke the truth (Numbers 11:32-34):
<I am come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood ; and if ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God shall not cease from you; even as it came to your fathers in the wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and did sat to their content, and were filled with rottenness, and the plague consumed them
>>8701
I pity you for having this bad of reading comprehension. If an all-powerful God is unknowable, He is certainly not God.
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No.8712
>>8705
>talks about lacking reading comprehension
>can't even comprehend the Bible or the word of God
1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him? So the things also that are of God no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God.
Isaiah 55:9. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts
If you can put God in a box, He ceases to be God for He is no longer infinite. You Gnostics come from a long line of (((Kabbalists))) that desecrate the word of God and twist it for your own pleasure. You cannot command God or know Him completely, for the infinite is exactly that, INFINITE
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No.8713
>>8705
You esoteric niggers couldn't stay over at /christ/ or /x/ or /pol/ you have to spread your mind cancer here now?
>is unironically a dualist
Why even bother being a monarchist if you hate the world?
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No.8716
>>8713
The material world will always be transient, only your soul is truly eternal. In this mode of existence, monarchy is the superior form of state.
>is unironically a dualist
The Demiurge is very real, but I don’t know if it is properly dualist. God is the only omnipotent being in existence, the Demiurge is not omnipotent. There cannot be two omnipotent beings, their wills would conflict and logical impossibilities would result if they contradicted one another, thus negating the omnipotence of both.
>>8712
>If you can put God in a box
Says the one who puts God in a book. There is nothing more liberating than direct perception of the divine and realizing that one’s soul is part and parcel of God. It must be sad being so illusioned and stuck within the eternal cycle of death and rebirth. Book-idolators like you will never find self-realization followed by God-consciousnes. Jesus was an avatar of God who came to restore the Natural Order, which evidently has been lost again. Jesus will return soon though, it’s due.
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No.8720
>>1576
You: slave morality
Byzantine Empire: shut the fuck up faggot
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No.8730
>>8705
>Gospel of the Ebionites
what
next you will cite the gospel of judas
that's not the bible, not authentic scripture
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No.8733
>>8730
>that's not the bible, not authentic scripture
Imagine being bound by what humans deem to be legitimate
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No.8737
>>8733
Imagine being a slave to a manmade fanfiction. You might as well take the Quran or the Edda seriously. I bet you think the Talmud has merit as well.
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No.8744
>>1116
Monarchy doesn't require religion to exist, but monarchy and religion-like values tend to go hand in hand.
You could be perfectly secular and disbelieve in the notions that underpin democracy. You can make the argument as an atheist, that the importance of participatory democracy in itself is zero, when you consider the fact that it is logically consistent for an atheist to agree that the real driving force of policy is not voting, but rather, the existing material conditions, which condition policy responses.
If you take this line of thought – which you can do without even being a Marxist – then participatory politics is a waste of time and effort.
It is also possible for an atheist to notice that the core reason for democracy is not that it does anything – we've already established that democracy is like the steering wheel on a child's toy car, and that the material conditions are what we end up with – but that instead democracy has something to do with the bad assumption of investors that a monarch will not pay them back, but would rather default on his debts.
Once you take this line of reasoning and realize that democracy is only about getting a line of credit, which means that democracy is about borrowing from your children's future for your own enjoyment today, then you can formulate purely economic reasons why democracy is immoral.
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No.8747
>>8737
I only function off direct spiritual insight. Try destroying your false ego and letting your devotion to God fill the void and become enlightened. This is how you see Truth.
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No.8751
>>8747
If you were devoted to God you would not only listen to His rules and abandon your occult practices but you would also respect his decision to leave the keys to his earthly steward here on earth. You want to talk about ego? Abandon yours and humble yourself to God's authority and not your man-made philosophy. A man made philosophy that only came to be because of an arrogant man who wished to republicanise God's Kingdom.
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No.8771
Perennialist preferably, minus the jews.
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No.8776
>>8751
>If you were devoted to God you would not only listen to His rules and abandon your occult practices but you would also respect his decision to leave the keys to his earthly steward here on earth.
You seek divine knowledge from other unenlightened human beings and man-made books. You do not know God. Knowledge of God can only come from within one’s own self. Deceivers like these “earthly stewards” tell you all sorts of lies to increase their powers on this prison-plane instead of helping souls to true self-realization and God-consciousness, leading to final liberation from the endless cycle of death and rebirth.
>You want to talk about ego?
You do not understand the notion of ego. There is no ego for the enlightened. God-consciousness is the realization that you are a divine spark, endlessly burdened by the karmic debt until you free yourself from the bondage of materiality and once again realize your soul’s true constitutional position to the Supersoul. Only then the spark returns to the divine fire, the droplet merges with the infinite ocean of bliss. Enosis and theosis are the final states – such is nirvana.
>Abandon yours and humble yourself to God's authority and not your man-made philosophy.
By engaging in yogic and meditative practices I am slowly nearing true self-realization, the first step to liberation. God’s will will become my own will.
>A man made philosophy that only came to be because of an arrogant man who wished to republicanise God's Kingdom.
The kingdom of God is within us all, I spit on your church.
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No.8780
>>8744
>Monarchy doesn't require religion to exist, but monarchy and religion-like values tend to go hand in hand.
I am having a hard time thinking of a Monarchist nation that was also secular, where 'secular' is defined by not having >50% of their population under the exact same religion.
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No.8781
>>8780
I struggle to find a nation with the kind of religious pluralism you're asking for anyway. I define 'secular' as the government having no official position on religion or religious rites.
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No.8782
>>8776
>I spit on your church
Spoken like a perfectly worldly individual who thinks he's of God, but is merely cowardly. If by your definition of theosis, you even so much as hate the Islamic State, then you have not attained it.
On this basis then I call you a left-liberal coward, and curse your virtue signalling about hating Rome. Fuck off and go con the beggars outside of your local Starbucks into thinking you are "enlightened," you pretentious faggot.
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No.8785
>>8782
>Spoken like a perfectly worldly individual who thinks he's of God, but is merely cowardly.
We are all of God, anon. When Jesus said that he and Father are one, he meant that he had emptied himself of illusory ego and realized his constitutional position in relation to the Supersoul. This is the goal of all life. There's no cowardice, only gnosis learned through intense spiritual discipline. You are full of much negative karma, rage and spitefulness, slowing down your progress towards final henosis, just as if you were trying to run a marathon with a chain and ball around each of your ankles. Seek gnosis and ataraxia, not rage in the decontexualized realm of Internet communication.
>On this basis then I call you a left-liberal coward
I am an eternal spark of the Divine, your labels, even if accurate, do not characterize me as much as I am neither human, an animal, male or female. Pure eternal consciousness, just like the Absolute. Rome liberates no souls and obfuscates Truth. Just as when one looks out a window they do not perceive the window, but what lies outside, this is the state of the Enlightened as the window into the Divine Truth. Rome keeps the blinds closed tight and lets no light in.
> Fuck off and go con the beggars outside of your local Starbucks into thinking you are "enlightened," you pretentious faggot.
I already preach to people in real life, many more than one may think express interest, seeing the suffering of materiality and the falseness of the establishment. The accusation of pretentiousness is understandable, for you are thoroughly agnostic at this moment. Not all can receive liberation in this lifetime, but if you begin now, you may be able to enter the Elect.
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No.8791
>>8785
>Not all can receive liberation in this lifetime, but if you begin now, you may be able to enter the Elect.
I have no interest in whatever you call religion. I have heard more wisdom from Catholic priests in my time than I have managed to get out of your self-interested monologue.
>Agnostic
I'm actually an orthodox Christian.
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No.8800
>>8693
A confessional state is traditional way of governing human society and we believe that fundamental human tendencies don’t change. A completely secular power will immediately begin constructing a puppet religion for itself (for example American exceptionalism). Or even worse atheism will become the socially-enforced stance. It will be atheist with religious fervor.
We could get into what is society and what is the state, but philosophers have disagreed about that and it’s a complex discussion. My point is that while an official religion may infringe your personal intellectual freedom, it’s for the greater good. Human society needs this to operate because there are so many bad replacements people make for religion. They go from religion to the most decadent behavior, the seven deadly sins on steroids.
I hope we can have at least some kind of traditionalist royal authority, whether it be Christian or not. However it must be based on anti-pluralism and anti-secularism, that’s a must. Pluralism leads to the worst liberal hedonists taking over your society.
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No.8804
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>>1116
The heretics fear the truth, but the truth will set you free. God's church is a kingdom with a literal monarch. The proof is in the scripture.
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No.8805
>>8800
You're suggesting that because confessional states were the norm, there couldn't have been anything better, even in theory, which I reject. Also, as I said, state atheism is NOT secular.
There is no such thing as the greater good. Only the common good. The Bible firmly rejects the idea of doing evil for the sake of some greater good.
A secular state does not automatically mean a society without values, and such issues are generally better solved without the state.
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No.8819
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No.8825
>>8805
>greater good
It depends. Sometimes we have to submit ourselves to personal suffering for the sake of others; that is the greater good in my opinion. Or when Christ told his apostles to not put up a fight when the Jews had him arrested, he probably saved their lives.
>the state is above/apart from those issues
The state wants power, it will NEVER be apart from social issues. Look at Roe v Wade. We have a society where half of us think it’s murder and half think it’s a human right that others have to pay for. And the government has sided with the human right half. That’s insanity, that’s pluralism and secularism on drugs. The idea that we could build a functional society with a Muslim and a Protestant and a Orthodox Christian and a Jew is all under this banner of pluralism is madness. You cannot have secular pluralism and also argue for “rights” “truths” or anything. Secularism is the state blatantly abandoning any religious principles that may constrain it. It’s the creation of arbitrary modern power centers.
Religion traditionally played a role in governing most pre-modern societies.
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No.8852
>>8819
No.
>>the state is above/apart from those issues
Not what I said. The state is a poor tool to use for solving those issues. The state deals primarily with power and force, but you cannot forcibly change someone's mind.
>That’s insanity, that’s pluralism and secularism on drugs.
You don't need to be religious to believe an unborn human should be considered human and have human rights, including the right to life.
>The idea that we could build a functional society with a Muslim and a Protestant and a Orthodox Christian and a Jew is all under this banner of pluralism is madness.
I didn't say otherwise. A state must be built on values, and values are primarily derived from religion. I am not saying people with radically different values can peacefully coexist in a single society, and I'm not saying the state shouldn't take measures to protect itself from hostile value systems. There is, however, a line between that and literal religious endorsement. The SOCIETY should be religious, and the state should be built around the values of that society, which will inevitably mean the values of that religion. Issues of values, however, are usually better handled by means other than state power.
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No.8866
I can't see how a monarchy can function for an extended period of time without it being strictly religious.
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No.8882
>>1474
Religion would be preferable for a monarchy, yes. But you can't force a majoritarily atheist people to adhere to your religion, and it can be replaced by other things. For example, the Bonapartes put sovereignty and the will of the people above all and it worked pretty well for them. Hell, the Napoleon III's 1870 referundum had a vast majority of approvals.
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No.8892
monarchy is the symbol of absolute religious power
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