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No.1076
Where does /monarchy/ stand on the whole Catalonia secession crisis? Do you stand with the thoughts of King Felipe VI, or of Prince Hans Adams II?
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No.1081
>>1076
i support secession as HHH said
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No.1115
>king
>of modern spain
sad job
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No.1148
With the King of Spain, of course. Catalonian separatism is a republican thing at first and foremost place.
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No.1160
>>1115
This is probably a "no homo" aside, but the King looks fucking amazing. He looks like how I imagined El Cid to look like. All he needs is a horse named Babieca, and then to go into the museum in Spain, take back his goddam sword, and go slay some goddam moors.
Anyways, let me just ask questions:
Are they _really_ that culturally unique from other parts of Spain?
They have an "autonomous government," what exactly does that mean in a functional sense?
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No.1177
>>1160
they have separate language, for example
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No.1223
>>1177
The distinction between a separate language and a dialect, when we talk about closely related languages and not extreme cases like the Basque, is very feeble and often arbitrary
The luck of the Catalonians is to have their language already standardized and codified, thus being able to teach it in schools and use it in local media and publications, as opposed to, for examples, the Italian local languages, which with few exceptions do not have official standardization and recognition and are therefore scattered in a mess of variants and dialects that is impossible to use for any of the things i said above
Of course, none of this would have been that big of an issue back when this linguistic autism wasn't fomented by post-revolutionary European governments and local populations could freely use their local language without going through this bureucratic nonsense
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No.1232
>>1223
>The distinction between a separate language and a dialect, when we talk about closely related languages and not extreme cases like the Basque, is very feeble and often arbitrary
prove
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No.1240
>>1232
Prove what? the looseness of the definition of language?
The only proof needed is that there is no clear cut distinction between language and dialect, it all depends on the official recognition either by the state or some international entity, which often depends on political resons. For example, Catalan is recognized as a language mainly to appease the secessionist sentiment
"A language is a dialect with an army and a navy" is an aphorism that holds mostly true, although it would probably be more accurate to say that a language is a dialect which has enough institutional power to declare itself such
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No.1271
>>1240
> For example, Catalan is recognized as a language mainly to appease the secessionist sentiment
why is not silesian recognised as a language then?
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No.1273
>>1271
because germany doesn't spend enough money on their propaganda effort for "Silesian Autonomy", in fact they fucked up so bad this year, they had to start all over again under a new name
t. Pole from Silesia.
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No.1274
>>1160
I wish he was wearing something other than a suit.
All national dignitaries of their respective countries should wear traditional clothes for that matter.
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No.1279
>>1273
silesians want independence not anexion to germany
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No.1282
>>1274
I kept thinking that during the whole video. He doesn't look like a divinely-appointed King, he looks like a businessman.
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No.1284
>>1282
As much as I like suits, I agree. Can't we at least have suits with heraldry on them?
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No.1289
>>1279
Every voivodeship should have a larger degree of autonomy without crooks from Warsaw interfering, but Silesian Autonomy Movement (nonexistant since this year, they rebranded) openly waved german flags.
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No.1290
>>1076
>Where does /monarchy/ stand on the whole Catalonia secession crisis?
Genocide is in order.
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No.1296
>>1289
>openly waved german flags.
maybe just for butthurt
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No.1299
>>1296
>We wuz only pretending to commit treason, just a prank (^:
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No.1303
Phillip V the Bourbon was an illegitimate king of Aragon. Not to mention he "abolished" the kingdom that didn't acknowledge him by using his Pappa's military might.
Same with the Basques. Both kingdoms of Aragon and Navarra are illegitimately occupied. The legitimate king of Aragon was Charles the Hapsburg, therefore the Hapsburg-Lorraine house are the righteous rulers of Aragon, Catalonia, Valencia and the Balearic isles.
It's trickier with the Basques though.
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No.1304
>>1299
>treason
they did not pledge allegiance to this poland shithole in the first place
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No.1324
>>1304
Neither did the Catalans.
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No.1326
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No.1327
>>1303
I'm curious, how do you figure Philip V was illegitimate? King Charles II named Philip as his successor, and Philip V tested and proved his claim in warfare. How exactly does that imply illegitimacy to you? Who would possibly have filled the vacancy, one of the Habsburgs Austrians? What would have given them the right to take the throne from the heir named by the King himself?
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No.2519
>>1115
Franco spent his whole life fighting the entire world for this. Appreciate it.
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No.2520
>>1273
Germany is a jewish puppet that does not want good things for Germany. Silesia used to be completely German before the jews took it from us and gave it to Poland, all the while stealing eastern Poland and giving it to themselves.
>>1299
There is no treason to an illegitimate government. All of eastern Germany is rightfully German, Silesia being part of it. The Poles living there being illegitimate occupants.
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No.2545
>>1076
Catalonia is a rightful part of the kingdom of Spain. As are Castille, Leon and Portugal. If the Catalans want to secede part of a nation and reestablish a monarchy they'd have to pick Both Sicilies.
>>1081
And that's why your kind gets the same bullet as your socialist friends. Enjoy your helicopter ride.
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No.3572
An independent Catalonia, due to it's overt association with leftist politics, is an insult to the Spanish nation and the principles of Carlism!
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No.3573
>>3572
Agreed. Fuck separatist cucks.
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No.3580
>>1160
>This is probably a "no homo" aside, but the King looks fucking amazing. He looks like how I imagined El Cid to look like.
And now please be glad that Otto von Habsburg didn't accept the crown when Franco offered it to him
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