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Share your daily struggles and other art-related feels here.
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>>4382
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No.8119
Human limbs are really fucking obnoxious things to draw.
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No.8120
>>8118
"Crabs" originates from the "crab mentality"/"crabs in a bucket". When multiple crabs are placed in a bucket, the ones that could escape are pulled down by the other crabs, ensuring that none of the crabs escape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
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No.8122
>>8120
This sounds like recognizing a crab as what it is would have the adverse effect he intended.
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No.8133
>>8106
Eh just go and do what they're saying you can't. Nothing pisses crabs the fuck off more than demonstrating dedication and perseverance to a goal.
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No.8174
i have no structure in my life. my hobbies are almost always a flash in the pan and rarely last more than a few weeks, unless there's some sort of ulterior benefit (for example- record yourself doing X, upload to youtube, gain views and subscribers). the problem though is that i was able to do that with gimmicky methods of drawing that i can already naturally do, which don't result in me getting better at the things i actually need to improve at. they're gimmicky, so people care, but nobody wants to watch me do shitty practice sketches with charcoal and "improve" at a snails pace. i always have the background thought in my mind that i would like to be better at drawing, but times when i am actually legitimately passionate enough to do it are so uncommon and fleeting that i'm left drowning in my own mentally retarded attention span.
i signed up for a local art class and hopefully that will keep me motivated longer than i'd usually be. the problem though is that to see real improvement in this lifetime, i'll need to be drawing more often than the class allows. it is only 1.5 hours every tuesday. i have plenty of free time during the week. if the only time in the span of a week that i actually care about drawing is 1.5 hours then i'm fucked. when i attended welding school, i got tired of it pretty quickly, but i still had to go there and weld for 40 hours a week. now i'm better than when i started, but now that education is fucking useless because i never want to weld again. the only thing its good for is a career and i don't want to do that as a career. drawing and painting can be a career, but its fulfilling in its own right, even if you're doing it for free. if i could go back to 2015, i would ask my parents to support me going to an art school instead. if i'd done that, i would actually be better at drawing instead of something i don't give a fuck about.
aside from that, my level of interest seems to be directly connected to how well i perform. if i'm at home then i don't care, and i can't draw for shit. if i'm the local art studio i hang out at, there are no distractions, and the people there actually want to see me do something that looks good. the skulls were done 2 days ago at the studio. the attempted profile portrait was done this morning alone in my room. i'm never going to improve unless my life becomes structured around this (which is unlikely), or i can find it in myself to give a modicum of a fuck about this stuff of my own volition without anyone else expecting it of me (which won't happen unless someone creates a surgery to cure my autism and ADD, and even then that might not be causing it)
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No.8175
>>8174
If you can't go live the atellier life, just don't be so obsessive over art that your drive yourself to quit. Drawing everyday, if even for an hour, is vastly superior to quitting.
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No.8176
>>8175
that's not the problem. i don't get frustrated and consciously say "fuck this" and throw away my charcoal, i just stop caring. the motivation dies and something else steps into the foreground and before i know it, instead of drawing, i just feel compelled to do something else instead.
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No.8181
>>7038
turning your passionate hobby into your job is either the best decision or the worst mistake someone can make. best case scenario, you will remain in love with it because you get paid to do it all the time. worst case scenario, you grow to hate it because you're forced to do it all the time, even when you don't feel like it. you will grow to hate it just like any other job, like flipping burgers for example.
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No.8189
>>8174
You've got one of two choices.
Either start working harder, and for yourself, or accept drawing isn't your thing and stop/do it casually.
Whether or not you like it, that's the way it is for you. But you honestly just sound like you need to find something to work for, and you'll be fine.
Like a project of sorts.
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No.8226
>Watching Youtube tutorial
>"Talent doesn't exist."
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No.8228
>>8226
>"i bet this person came out of their mom's pussy being able to draw like this!"
>"Talent doesn't exist."
it literally doesn't though
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No.8229
>>8228
but it does. People are not all born as blank slates. Everyone is born with different levels of skill sets. Some people are better at problem solving for example, so there's no reason to believe that something like spacial reasoning which is important to being good at art is an exception. That being said, if you don't cultivate it you will fail no matter how good you initially are at something.
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No.8230
>>8229
I do think there is such a thing as talent in art, but the only advantage I've seen it grant is in how soon they develop certain skills. For example, you can go on google and search for "1st grade drawing", "5th grade drawing", all the way up through the years. You will notice that the majority of people share a similar level of artistic ability as they age. Where talent will show through is that you will get the occasional kid who can draw at say a 5th grade level when they're only in 1st grade. Hideaki Anno was like this for example.
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No.8231
Talent is real in the same sense that anything else that separates one individual from another is, but musing about it whether it exists either from the outside or from within is worthless because the only person you're competing with in the truest sense yourself.
For one thing, very few hobbyists can say that they draw even a fraction as much as a professional artist does now or has done to get to the level they're at-so if they are talented they may never develop themselves enough to be considered as such. I personally seldom draw for more than a few hours at a time because I'm addicted to imageboards and other assorted distractions-but despite that I have improved bit by bit. Would that I managed to abstain from lurking and making irreverent posts here or (mostly) elsewhere for any extended period of time I would undoubtedly be much more skilled than I am now, but it is something I've struggled with since I was first introduced to computers and the internet in my adolescence.
I imagine the same goes for most anyone that isn't genuinely disabled. You have to try to tune yourself out of pretty much everything else within reason (and without also getting burnt out) and get shit done. There really isn't a good excuse for why we might stagnate from one year to the next, we only have ourselves to blame, the "talent" discussion is inherently defeatist.
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No.8232
>>8230
exactly. think of it as a person's foothold, not a boat that carries them the whole way. That's what I mean when I say it's important skills are cultivated because if you don't you'll be blinded by the amount of people working hard that surpass you.
>>8231
this is pretty important because I doubt the people saying they are working hard and not getting anywhere are being completely honest. It's just downright impossible.
I think it's not to say people who are mentally able are unable to work hard, but I strongly think work ethic is something which can be improved at.
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No.8236
>thousands of random furry scat artists can draw
>but I can't
Even after six months of practice I can't draw for shit. I mean that, I can't fucking draw at all, not even basic objects. If you handed me a pen and asked me to doodle you'd think I didn't even know how to write.
Fuck it all.
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No.8237
>>8236
it'll be ok my friend
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No.8242
I've gotten my first negative attention from tumblr after seeing it happen for years to other artists: the way I understand it, I triggered a few people by sexualizing insectoid monster girls.
It's not a particularly bad feel but it's still strange to be on the receiving end. I wonder how this will evolve (or if it will).
It made me consider the question of subject matter and how no matter what you draw, someone might not like it.
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No.8243
>>8242
>tumblr
There's your problem mate.
Use Pixiv instead, Nips are well used to seeing fucked shite.
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No.8245
>>8242
>I triggered a few people by sexualizing insectoid monster girls.
Who are these people who like insectoid monstergirls only if they're not sexual?
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No.8247
>>8242
Post your insectoid grills pls
Also NEVER respond to that shit no matter how reasoned you think your argument is it's not worth your time. If they start complaining on every picture just block them.
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No.8253
>>8247
>>8245
Of course, I wasn't intending to respond. Since nothing more has happened since and as it was, in retrospect, not really surprising, I'm feeling a bit silly about bringing it up. Still, here's the concerned picture.
>>8243
I've been half-pondering this for some time. I wonder if google-translated moonrunes are as endearing to Japanese people as Engrish is to us.
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No.8255
>>8253
Oh, it's you.
I saw your art in the New Vegas thread, neat to see you colored it.
>I've been half-pondering this for some time. I wonder if google-translated moonrunes are as endearing to Japanese people as Engrish is to us.
You don't even have to translate it, they're used to seeing English titles and descriptions and major tags like "insect" have translations under them to tell you what they mean.
The only issue is, from what I've heard, uploading animations to Pixiv can be a pain in the ass.
Was she impregnated while in the missionary position? Was hand-holding and kissing involved? The child is illegitimate otherwise.
If she's pregnant that also means she isn't going to be laying an egg but giving birth. It's not that strange, insects can give birth.
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No.8256
>>8255
I figure I might as well make a little effort to learn some moonrunes; just the important words, such as ロボット, 昆虫, or 胸.
>Was she impregnated while in the missionary position? Was hand-holding and kissing involved?
Of course; that goes without saying.
> It's not that strange, insects can give birth.
Some insects can give birth, alright; and others might even care for their young after they hatch.
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No.8257
>>8256
You wouldn't have to learn much.
Whatever the main focus of your image is and that's it. They don't tend to put a lot of tags on images there. Not at all like western art sites.
She better care for her young, she'd be a terrible mother otherwise. If she went out clubbing on a Friday night and left her larvae alone by themselves I'd be so disgusted I wouldn't even be able to look at her.
On an unrelated note, I saw this post on /v/ >>>/v/14577423 and thought it'd be something up your ally.
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No.8261
>>8257
I guess I'll try it out and see how it goes. It sounds like fun.
>going out clubbing on a Friday night and leaving her larvae alone by themselves
Anon, god! She'd be a wonderful mother, extremely protective of her young and her home. Such scary suppositions certainly sound stage-suitable since depressingly dejecting drama delights but barring brief bleak blatherings I don't usually go for that.
Also, thank you for bringing this amazing piece of metal to my attention. It really is something I'd take a keen interest in drawing.
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No.8272
I've been at it for years now and I still suck. The suicide ideation has only gotten worse and I still wish I could just contract a terminal illness.
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No.8274
>>8261
Just make sure you rate your posts correctly, anything lewd should be R-18 and anything with gore or violence should be R-18G.
If you ever do draw something of that thing be sure to post in the draw thread, your art always amuses me.
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No.8275
>>8272
As long as it's fast. I've been suffering from an ailment I'm not even dying from (or maybe I am) for months and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. It's affected my concentration and work. Sometimes when I'm at my worst I feel like I'm not even focused on improving anymore, just "surviving", if you'll allow me this melodramatic term.
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No.8287
>opens drawing software
>pops a photo taked of me lying on the ground in a girly position that I used as reference
>there is people near of me and I can't look to my back
Help! I'm dying
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No.8289
My will to draw, or be creative at all is directly proportional to my ability to express myself freely. Because I've been unable to express myself all my life, largely due to fear / limited finances and parental Stockholm syndrome, my ability to be creative is severely limited. My ability or will to do anything is severely limited. I'm trying to pick up the pieces but… sigh, I've let it go on too long.
ht tps://ste emit.com/@vox xe
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No.8292
>>8275
>just "surviving"
Story of my life thus far, anon.
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No.8300
>>8287
I actually do the same. I never got anyone to see it though. If you're afraid that they're misunderstanding you can just try to make a remark about how awkard it is to have no model and do it yourself. Those who saw and remember will connect the dots.
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No.8301
>>8272
I can totally relate to that. I'd like to talk with you somewhere you prefer.
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No.8302
>realize that I've no fundamentals
>check out some tutorials
>"You should avoid drawing shapes with long lines, use shorter strokes instead."
>watch another tutorial
>"Avoid doing short strokes, you need to learn how to draw with longer strokes"
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No.8305
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>8302
Kek, fucking this.
My preferred type of video has become ones that are simple over the shoulders of artists I like. It is better to just try to pick up on things on you own, because the only things you will pick up on are things appropriate to your skill level. With time and practice, I will rewatch a video and I pick up new things due to more experience.
I feel it mimics what apprenticeships were like and still are like in Japan.
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No.8306
>>8302
Just learn how to do both.
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No.8307
>>8305
This is actually great advice. It's just hard to find videos for all the artists you like.
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No.8308
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No.8316
>>6186
>tfw you didn't notice the pencil was edited in in 5 months
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No.8318
Fuck it, I'm a shit artist, and I'm giving up on this shit.
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No.8319
>>8318
You should want to get good because you enjoy doing it; if you're not having fun anymore try finding new ways to have fun
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No.8338
>>6197
Latest instance of that hit me hard.
Sure it's made by a goddamn studio and I'm only one misanthrope, but it made me feel the need to start a fucking project already lest I die full of regrets.
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No.8352
I wish I had never existed.
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No.8360
>born with shit life
>only thing that makes me happy is art
>all I want is to be good at art
>don't need money
>don't need fame
>just one fucking thing
>mentally unstable as fuck, can't concentrate when practicing most of the time I break down crying and being frustrated
>getting worse and worse each day
>feel like there's nothing out there that can help me
>tried dozens of meds
>psychologist says ECT is an option (aka my last hope)
>but have a feeling I won't get better
Recently I genuinely get mad when I see a good picture, because the person who drew it must have had a good life and didn't have to go through the shit I did.
I needed to let out some steam
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No.8361
>>8360
>Recently I genuinely get mad when I see a good picture, because the person who drew it must have had a good life and didn't have to go through the shit I did.
I know this feel too well.
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No.8363
>>8360
>Recently I genuinely get mad when I see a good picture, because the person who drew it must have had a good life and didn't have to go through the shit I did.
I don't know. Sometimes I feel like everyone is miserable but they just hide it.
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No.8377
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No.8851
>>8360
>Recently I genuinely get mad when I see a good picture, because the person who drew it must have had a good life and didn't have to go through the shit I did.
all of your hardships are created by you, and it's not like artists in general art the happiest people.
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No.10364
>try drawing
>mind is super finnicky on how it's supposed to be (a single, fullbody, lonely character that more often than not occupies the center of the page, doing nothing in particular)
>this issue only intensifies further on, including being obsessed with finding that one reference that has exactly what I want down, sporadically being on and off about it, ragequitting if the end result doesn't look right, stalling on end on what else to do about it)
>lack of creativity/not knowing what to do only worsens the stalling
>process feels more robotic and lifeless than it has any right to be because of it
>end up with several pages/files of an unfinished sketches as a result
And it only took me three years to put my finger on it.
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