No.9310
So, /kemono/, I've been lurking here for a long time now, and I know this is a slow board, but I would like to make a good thread that focus on good, or at very least fun topic of discussion that we can talk about constantly with each other.
So in short, I want this board to have some discussion flows closer to 4chan's /a/ and /m/, but with fewer pointless shit-post and thread derailing.
So I would like to discuss something here with you guy on what daily thread should we make, which old topic should we revive(from the catalogs) and what topic would be nice to constantly talk about to keep the flow going and make the board more entertaining?
so what are your though?
Also, BO, feel free to sage this board if you feel it doesn't fit or too risky, but please warn me first.
on the other note, feel free to make use of this board on discussing what topic should be talked about.
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No.9312
I guess I'll start then. When did you guys even get into kemono? I've liked it on and off for at least several years but never took the time to make a collection. Especially with how hard it was to find any good art among the mass of terrible art out there. That also lead to me buying artbooks and doujins from artists I like. I wish more would sell their works in the form of an artbook. Like a Rikose artbook would be fantastic.
Also I'm trying to see if I can properly edit out the "sample" watermark on this image. It's good practice for me as I need to get more familiar with Gimp and Photoshop. When I scan artbooks and doujins, I usually rely on Paint.net. Though it definitely gets the job done, I feel knowing how to use these 2 programs would be better. If I ever get it finished, maybe someone will appreciate it as they can make dakis from it.
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No.9313
>>9312
If you ask me, about less than a years after I read hentai for the first time. It was soon after reading sonic XXX on palcomix, when suddenly, I spontaneously search for "Japanese furry porn", despite having no idea what "furry" exactly meant at the time. All I knew is that, it have to be half human/half animal girls being drawn by japanese for some reason.
And that's how I got into kemono.
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No.9314
>>9312
That's an interesting question. Back in a day at WildCritters, I was initially into Pokémon, but for a different reasons, just looking at pretty pictures of it. Then after some time, taste changed. And yes, WildCritters was the site that I got into kemono.
Speaking of artbooks and doujins, it's kind if sad that not many people would like to scan things regardless of its content. The more things sold out, the chance we get would be harder to the point when it is impossible.
Like I would like to buy this one, but then I realized that I can't buy it due to personal issues so I'll let it sold out. This is how I experienced.
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No.9315
I don't really understand OP. You want more traffic is all I'm getting.
>>9312
If you do, please post it here. I have a mighty need.
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No.9316
This thread's fine, there's no hard rules after all.
I got into western furfagottry years ago and never cared about the hard separation with kemono, I followed a lot of Chinese and Thai artists before many Japanese ones, but eventually moved into that as well, I didn't know it had any unique terms, and in my head I just thought of it as East-Asian styled furry art. Only when Kemononochan started up did I really start to see it as separate more, only because a lot of people there did as well.
Another question for curiosity, I have things that I could scan but probably won't for various reasons (including selfish ones such as "I want to be the only person who has this"), do any of you have doujins or other things that you can't or won't scan as well?
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No.9317
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No.9319
>>9312
I discovered furries/kemono when borrowing a friend's usb drive to transfer some study notes and other junk. Don't think he counted on me having my settings on showing hidden folders since the default settings usually had them on hide. Just some lewd and ecchi stuff with the usual with Krystal and other Nintendo princesses but it was enough to get my attention. I think back then a generic furry search would drop you straight into palcomix, which amazingly is still alive despite being meh relative to the other content available these days and 'constantly running out of money'.
Didn't take long to discover other decent artists like Fluffkevlar, Neolucky and Amakuchi back then and I've been fans ever since.
Amakuchi is probably the most influential one since I found artists like Rikose, Shinobe, NakagamiT, Sindoll etc through him and remains the only artist I've bought a physical doujin from. On another note, I'll be posting a proper translation of Fr12 after I finish editing out any smaller issues.
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No.9328
Highlighting the sample and multiplying/adding the layers seems to have given me results close to what I want but the color of the swimsuit came out slightly purple. Some clone stamping and adjusting the hue/contrast/saturation will probably fix it. I think I'll be done with it soon. Wasn't as annoying as I thought after viewing some tutorials.
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No.9329
>>9315
Op here.
In short, yes, I want more traffic. I want the post rate to be similar to 4chan's /a/ and /m/ levels, but with fewer bullshit and cancer.
As for the longer explanation:
As far as I have observed, most of the healthy board have good or interesting topic of discussion( usually the main topic of each thread, many of them also a general thread) and few derailing bickering. Annoying/ bait post are usually ignored or was given a joke replies in good humors. I want /kemono/ to have that kind of more productive atmosphere. And more importantly, at the same time, I'm trying to figure out a way to make sure that the board doesn't devolved into what happened to /fur/ at least once(it's some what better now).
The main reason I made the thread is discuss how to make the board have more constant flow of interesting subject like /a/ and /m/. The way I observe it, It's that both board alway have new subject( new anime each season) to discuss while at the same time, already have strong topic that can be discuss forever, and even if the argument over it may be stupid, it's still possible to keep it in topic(for example, char's motivation on /m/, one piece devil fruit system on /a/). However, Kemono media, while plentiful, most aren't memorable/well known enough to make a good discussion, so we need to find something more sustainable in it's place. Grant, there are already plenty of good topic in the catalog, but people are talking about it to keep the flow going, so I am intending to discuss on how to revitalize various subject as well.
also: BO, feel free to delete this post if it posed too much risk.
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No.9330
>>9319
If you asked me, I always have the potential to be into kemono, it's just I never realize that the combination of cute anime girl who's also half animal, half human is the perfect combination of my basic fetish until I decided to combine the concept for searching hentai myself.
However, it's RO bird and cat doujinshi that forever pulled me into the kemono fandom. other artist a just extra that I slowly gather to follow on. Although Pizakemo and Raijin are my current frequent watch due to constant update on them.
Rikose, Shinobe, NakagamiT, Sindoll etc are also my favorite artist as well.
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No.9332
>>9312
I've seen the style around for a while, but not really identifying it as its own thing until a thread about buffalo belle on 4/v/, which led me here. I've never felt a connection to western furry art, but kemono resonated with me a lot more (especially learning about doujin culture, its much more relaxed community, less of a focus on fetishes and more of one on cute things, etc).
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No.9333
>>9316
I don't mind scanning stuff but I don't want to destroy my books.
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No.9334
>>9329
> I want the post rate to be similar to 4chan's /a/ and /m/ levels, but with fewer bullshit and cancer.
I don't think that will ever be possible simply because there's so much more to talk about with regular anime and mecha. Kemono is extremely niche and we don't exactly have much media to talk about either, excluding a few longrunning mangas and Made in Abyss sort of.
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No.9335
>>9334
Yeah, it feels Japan is more dedicated at producing humans and kemonomimi, whom they believe they rule the media.
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No.9336
>>9332
>(especially learning about doujin culture, its much more relaxed community, less of a focus on fetishes and more of one on cute things,
That's a very good point too. I barely ever fap to kemono but I do enjoy the art and cute characters. I enjoy /e/ and cute kemono material more than the /h/ stuff. But human male x kemono female is god tier.
>>9334
Unless you know moon, you're locked out a great deal of the content people make. I would love to buy more SFW material but I need to learn moon first.
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No.9343
>>9332
>>9336
sometime, I can't help but wonder if it's because America and Japan have different taste in media that create different mood for what they produce on average, or that furry fandom are just convenient meeting place for those with /d/ and niche fetish due to how open or accepting the western furry fandom is.
The "furry are degenerate" meme are probably part of why weird fetishist flock there in the first place as it's (falsely) advertise to be a good place for them to meet up and get their fetish fulfilled.
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No.9345
>>9343
Japanese culture has a larger emphasis on cute than the west. Also, when it comes to fetishes, Japan takes a stance of being normal in society and a degenerate in your room or conventions. Meanwhile in the west degeneracy is openly pushed into people's faces. Homosexuals already aren't persecuted so why all the gay pride parades? It's because they want to flaunt their degeneracy with no sense of self control. These types have flooded the furry community.
Saying that, I wonder what scandals the kemono community in Japan get.
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No.9346
>>9345
>Japan takes a stance of being normal in society and a degenerate in your room or conventions.
This is completely false. Sure, they don't make a big song and dance about it like the west does, but with regards to sex they are far more liberal about it than other western places. You can buy porn doujins in pretty much any small grocery store and in general the availability of sexual things is far greater than it is in the west, where you've still got a rampant "oh but think of the children" theme going on.
I believe the bigger reason is just that japan is obsessed with politeness.
>Homosexuals already aren't persecuted so why all the gay pride parades?
I don't want to start an argument about this here but this entirely depends on location. Liberal cities in NA or western europe are basically fine with it, rural places or anywhere in non-first-world-western countries, no.
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No.9350
>>9345
I don't know why people think this. Japan is pretty fucking western, probably the most of all asian nations. The only thing they really have that most western countries don't is incredible homogeneity, and some good furry porn. They still have fags, they still probably have furry drama, they have everything you hate about the west. The only reason you think they don't is because of the cultural distance between you and them.
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No.9372
>>9345
I'd say it's a mix of it. Most of the time the Japanese are polite enough to keep their fetish to their own space or the place that allow it, but on rare occasion will have someone did something inappropriate. But unlike majority of the western case, majority of indecent exposure are acknowledge to be acting on their fetish, and don't really consider them to be a part of their identity that need to be expressed.
As for the pride palace, well… it's usually meant to be a reminder that people can feels proud of who they are, thus no need to feel ashamed as the past of persecution still haunted them, so it still have some meaning left in it. However, with homosexuality acceptance advancing too fast and to a absurd/ unreasonable degree, it's essentially hi-jacked by degenerated who just want to wanted to be perverted or can't accept that what they like aren't perverted.
>>9346
>Sure, they don't make a big song and dance about it like the west does, but with regards to sex they are far more liberal about it than other western places. You can buy porn doujins in pretty much any small grocery store and in general the availability of sexual things is far greater than it is in the west, where you've still got a rampant "oh but think of the children" theme going on. I believe the bigger reason is just that japan is obsessed with politeness.
I'd say you might have misunderstand him somewhat. As I see it, Japan general culture is to put up a facade to keep in line to not disrupt the social order, and keep who they really are in private.
Even if the porn and sexual thing are far more easier to access, most of the time, the Japanese don't usually try to make other stranger look that what they are doing. And that they at least can accept that as long as it doesn't disturb them directly, other people business is other people business, which is why not much people have issue of availability of porn and sexual things.
>>9350
Well, also replying to >>9345 again as well, I remember 2 scandal, but aren't as widespread, one of them is a bara author is too lazy and greedy, causing a drama to end a game project.
The second one happened to the artist I'm following, he enjoy drawing gay stuff, but is accused of being homophobic for a certain comic he draw by on a English furry board by someone claiming to be Japanese.
Nothing brew up however, as the artist remains blissfully unaware of what happen due to how obscure the accusation is, and only learn about it years later(after someone translate it for him). His only respond is something along the line of"I'm not a homophobe" for less than 5 tweets, if I recalled. And the rest of the event just passed without incident.
well, majority of the rest of the drama is artist getting pissed that their commercial works is posted for free, and may or may not delete all of their stuff, only to appear again sometime later.
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No.9373
>>9372
>One of them is a bara author is too lazy and greedy, causing a drama to end a game project.
If that is the reason Morenatsu discontinued, then I'm shocked to say the least.
>The second one happened to the artist I'm following, he enjoy drawing gay stuff, but is accused of being homophobic for a certain comic he draw by on a English furry board by someone claiming to be Japanese.
>Nothing brew up however, as the artist remains blissfully unaware of what happen due to how obscure the accusation is, and only learn about it years later(after someone translate it for him). His only respond is something along the line of"I'm not a homophobe" for less than 5 tweets, if I recalled. And the rest of the event just passed without incident.
You mean Pizakemo? I've probably seen it before on Twitter.
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No.9374
>>9312
I think I have unknowingly liked kemono from the start since my first exposure to furry were Dr.Comet's art and Trump's stories in western furry comics back in 2004. Only later did I start to notice a difference and I developed a more defined preference, but there are still some good western artists I like. Never had any accounts or interactions with any of the furry communities apart from imageboards. Kemononochan is what really got me into appreciating kemono and I discovered Amakuchi's art there. I started collecting doujinshi and artbooks back in 2016, since then I have purchased over 200 doujinshi and artbooks including non-kemono works.
>>9316
I have a couple of things that have never been scanned and I don't plan on scanning them because that would hurt the book. I have no issues with scanning, but I don't want to destroy my books. I would probably scan more if my budget for every convention allowed for two copies of each book I was planning to scan. I also feel a bit bad every time I scan a new volume of Foxy Rena, I just don't like destroying things like that.
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No.9375
Any drawfags or people interested in learning? I used to draw all the way up till high school but stopped once I left. If I were to ever relearn and get good, I would probably draw some kemono on the side.
Art not from me of course but I barely see people post this guy's stuff.
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=11648360
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No.9376
>>9375
Still practicing on my free time. I enjoy a lot of kemono artists' work, though my art style itself doesn't really look very kemono-ish.
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No.9377
>>9312
>>9328
Boy was I wrong. That took me editing it on and off all weekend and today as I tried to figure out how to properly use photoshop. It took me a few hours trying to redraw certain sections. I have a feeling I did way more work than I should have if I knew how to use photoshop better. Either way, enjoy.
If you want to make a custom body pillow from it. These guys and Cuddly Octopus are considered really good. I slightly enlarged each side by 1.3 with Waifu2x to fit the necessary size for the Alixpress shop.
https://cuddlyoctopus.com/faq/
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Cheap-Personalized-Free-Shipping-Japanese-Anime-Custom-Made-Dakimakura-Body-Pillow-Cover/341737_1975310066.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000023.18.47be7573MSNJ1R
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No.9378
>>9312
Thank you for making this thread. I felt a discussion thread would be a good thing for a long time, but I never worked up the courage to make it myself. This is more than you asked for but maybe someone will find it interesting.
Stumbled across furry porn as an adolescent and went through an (embarrassing in retrospect) furfag phase. I had played Star Fox Adventures when I was younger and got a childhood boner for Krystal, so naturally at some point I found Dr. Comet's illustrations, which was probably the first kemono art I saw.
Eventually I found 4chan and became a typical weeaboo, and as part of that I became ashamed of my past furfaggotry and tried to put it behind me. I kept looking at kemono occasionally however, justifying it to myself that it was ok because it was Japanese or whatever. I wasn't aware of any western kemono-exclusive community at this point, but I knew of a few kemono art blogs and oekakis. I wish I still had my collection from this time, but thankfully in the process of reading this thread and writing this post I remembered that one of the artists I followed back then was rikose, and found a bunch of pics I hadn't seen in years on e621.
I started to get more serious about it years later, probably because of the kemono threads on 4/v/ at the time both reigniting my interest and making me realize that there were reasonable anons into this stuff. Then I came to 8chan just as /kemono/ was created, and this point seeing the difference in attitude between /kemono/ and the cancer that was /furry/ at the time galvanized my hatred of furries and my need to articulate why kemono was different.
Today I have come full circle. I don't care anymore, I don't identify as anything nor feel the need to justify myself to anons beating the dead horse of anti-fur, and I'll shamelessly fap to both, especially as the lines between western furry and kemono style continue to blur. I'm happy that kemono seems to be becoming more popular in both japan and the west thanks to characters like Nanachi and Tamamo-chan, and how the sentiments about anthro characters amongst anons have softened over the years. It seems like something of a golden age for kemono to me.
There remains a difference in feeling: kemono for me can be very lewd but it is often more of a pure thing, these precious animal girls and boys that I wish to love and cherish. Whereas with western furry porn my attitude is more "lol what autistic crap am I gonna fap to today," reveling in the ridiculousness and degeneracy of it. Not to say there aren't talented western artists that draw beautiful characters; maybe that says more about me and what I look at these days.
That's all I have to say. Sorry for blogging and thanks if you bothered to read all of this.
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No.9380
>>9377
anon, that's rude. Don't try and sell it, it's not your art
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No.9381
>>9380
He's not selling it himself, just linking websites where you can have your own .jpg made into a daki.
If the original artist isn't selling it anymore and no more are being made I don't see the problem, piracy is literally a service issue.
Cuddly Octopus does say however they will only print it if you own the rights to it, I have no idea how well they'll discriminate who owns it.
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No.9382
>>9377
Do you have a version of these two images that aren't upscaled? I would like to have them.
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No.9383
>>9378
I didn't make the thread, just started a conversation.
>justifying it to myself that it was ok because it was Japanese or whatever.
I stop giving a shit about being a nerd or degenerate. I realized that it's what I like doing and I should simply discuss this with like minded people. As long as I keep it to myself and don't annoy others it should be fine.
>the difference in attitude between /kemono/ and the cancer that was /furry/ at the time galvanized my hatred of furries and my need to articulate why kemono was different.
I don't know why furry communities bring in so much damn drama. I never stayed in any long enough to figure out how or why.
>Not to say there aren't talented western artists that draw beautiful characters; maybe that says more about me and what I look at these days.
I still find myself following Slugbox every once in a while.
http://slugboxcreatureart.tumblr.com/
>>9380
I'm not claiming I made the art or selling it. I'm simply offering a site to make custom ones. Besides the real daki isn't sold anymore so it's not like I'm cheating the artist out of their cash. While they don't host kemono material, sites like Yande.re have high resolution art just so you can do this type of thing.
>>9382
It's already upscaled by waifu2x but I cleaned it up a bit and it's less upscaled than the other 2 I posted. Waifu2x doesn't simply upscale an image. It uses an algorithm to enlarge an image and properly fill in the space. It works surprisingly well on images with good quality. Thankfully the sample image was in good quality.
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No.9390
>>9375
I'm trying to practice during my free time. Would like to redraw my cat drawing at some point but actually make it look good.
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No.9403
Do we have a buyfag guide or pastebin for buying kemono stuff? I'd imagine it would be pretty helpful for many people and I believe the people here could easily make one.
For example, I buy most of my stuff from Alice-Books. But beyond that, I wouldn't know where else to look beside Mandarake. We could also make a list of good kemono artist with links to their Twitter, Pawoo, and/or Pixiv account. I'll definitely help if anyone cares.
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No.9404
>>9403
Thing is, most anime buy guides would basically work for kemono as well. While we are on the topic though, feel free to ask questions in the local buyfag thread. Another good place to buy from is Booth.
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No.9445
>>9373
As I remember it, it's not the Monernatsu that got accused.
>You mean Pizakemo? I've probably seen it before on Twitter.
Yes, that him, but he was accused somewhere else long before he even knew it. Mikaduki karasu also got accused too.
Although based on the way it was written, it might be an call out attempt by a proto-SJW.
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No.9446
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No.9465
>>9310
Hello guys, i am going to return to gelbooru to start posting more Kemono art under my username KemonoLover96. I hope you guys are enjoying them for awhile.
I had a such a fun vacation today and it was really cool.
Here is my Gelbooru account:
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=account&s=profile&id=229644
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No.9824
Some interesting questions. What do you think of any non-Japanese "kemono" artists? Are they just as good as their Japanese brethren?
(Picture belongs to Magiace, who is Chinese.)
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No.9825
>>9824
If the arts good enough that I don’t notice it’s not jap, then it’s fine to me.
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No.9826
>>9824
I find most of them stick close to the original style though there might be slight differences.
They are all pleasing to me.
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No.9827
>>9824
One thing is that Chinese/Taiwanese/Korean artist tend to have furry/kemono more detailed in animal apperance.
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No.9828
>>9824
Can't tell if I like it or not.
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No.9834
>>9825
You can pretend that is Japanese if you want, but to me, I have mixed feelings towards them, but that's just me.
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No.9836
>>9824
I feel like kemono is a mixture of both style and nationality. I'm not against considering other east-Asian artists as kemono, but extending beyond that starts going into "Western anime" territory.
Additionally, it has to follow the general style of kemono. That is, Sonic, Fox McCloud, and Hello Kitty might be anthropomorphic animals designed by Japanese artists, but I don't think it's reasonable to classify them as kemono because they deviate so heavily from the established style.
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