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3a4cef No.685886
Let's discuss all things falling-block, from pistols to cannons.
With that said, I've realized that I want to see a gas-operated, belt-fed, striker-fired, bullpup Madsen. Hear me out:
>gas-operated
Imagine an operating rod that has all the camways and whatnot required for the action. Now the receiver is much simpler, and the barrel is fixed. I imagine the action would have good repeatability, because there is not much to go wrong.
>belt-fed
A Hotchkiss-style feed system would go hand-in-hand with the way this gun loads new cartridges. Make it out of aluminium and it's not even heavy.
>striker-fired
If you have an operating rod anyway, then just fix a firing pin on it, and then you just only need a very simple trigger system, as the Lewis gun and the FG-42 demonstrated.
>bullpup
With a bolt that only moves vertically you could make a really short bullpup rifle. It ejects downward, therefore you don't have to worry about left-handed people. And the striker-fire system works great with bullpups, because you don't need a linkage.
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3a4cef No.685895
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>>685886
Forgot to mention: to keep everything 1:1, the operating rod would have to go forward, and that might actually have a positive effect on felt recoil. Not to mention that it would make this firearm even more autistic.
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d78d22 No.685939
Does the Winchester 1886/1892 count as falling block?
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8ee6dd No.685949
>>685895
>it would make this firearm even more autistic.
You say that like autism the "good" kind is a bad thing.
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bcdd8a No.686097
>>685886
>>685895
That seems needlessly complicated.
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12d60f No.686122
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>>685949
The problem is that people will just say "needlessly complicated" if it's different than most other guns.
>>686097
You have three moving parts inside the action:
>the bolt
It just follows a camtrack, hardly more complicated than the feed system of a belt-fed machine gun.
>the rammer
Just an arm that is pivoted forward by a block of metal. Again, it's not complicated.
>the ejector
It does seem to be overcomplicated a bit, and personally I'd replace it with an arm similiar to the rammer, but with a spring-loaded piece at the end. Still, it's hardly complicated.
>the overall action
If this is complicated, then the Gatling gun must be clockwork madness. You might claim that the individual parts have complicated shapes, but you only need to machine the bolt, the barrel, and the trunion. Today we could just cast the rest.
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bcdd8a No.686252
>>686122
>the rammer
>the ejector
Those are still extra parts for specific functions that are already built into normal bolts.
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ba8c56 No.686269
>>685939
No. Winchester 1885 is a falling block. Martini Henry is a falling block. Ruger No. 1 is a falling block.
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bcdd8a No.686325
>>686122
I have too add tough, you seem more knowledgeable about this action then me.
Considering that the feed is offset to one side, would it be possible to put the ejection right next to the magazine well? I does seem like that could be a useful thing if you are going with a bullpup configuration.
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9b054a No.686329
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>>686252
Those functions aren't just magically there, the extractor is at the very least a piece of metal pushed by a spring and kept in place with a pin. Most ejectors are constructed the same way. Replacing those two with a rammer and a combined ejector-extractor could actually bring down the number of parts required. Of course, there are still weapons with fixed ejectors, e.g. the AK, but nowadays the AR-15 and AR-18 style are more widely copied.
>>686325
>would it be possible to put the ejection right next to the magazine well?
Yes, it's already that way, the magazine well is just flipped to what is the standard today. The problem is that the magazine must be off-set to the side for this system to work. With a belt-fed system you could mount a box or pouch directly under the bolt, and just have the belt go up, to the side of the action. With a Hotchkiss-style feed pawn you could even turn the box (or pouch) into a "pseudo-magazine" that is loaded into the weapon the exact same way as a replaceable box magazine.
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bcdd8a No.686371
>>686329
>Those functions aren't just magically there, the extractor is at the very least a piece of metal pushed by a spring and kept in place with a pin
Bitch i know that!
>Belt box hybrid
Sounds interesting but i see no real use for a belt feed in a rifle.
Also i've seen you Hungarians around for a while now, is one of you actually going to design and possibly build one of these bullpups you talk about or are just just here to shit out your autistic ideas?
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897fe3 No.686372
>>685886
Sounds like you're trying to remake that wild Koborob design, but with a Hotchkiss style feeding system.
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3897e3 No.686400
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>>685886
I have thought of a similar idea years ago.
However I came from a recoil mitigation, inherent part strength, and unjammability* standpoint that lead me to look at the Madsen (mostly because of the falling block) as a possibility, though I ultimately moved onto the Whitney-Kennedy action.
Here's a video of the Madsen I quite like.
*Pretty much if it can't handle having a Karo syrup and sand mixture poured directly into the action it's a shit design in my book.
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f39e00 No.686524
>>686372
I thought that was a plastic shell filled with pasta sauce. I spend too much time on /k/.
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14453d No.687301
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>>686371
>Bitch i know that!
Yet simply counting the required parts seems to be beyond you.
>Sounds interesting but i see no real use for a belt feed in a rifle.
First of all, nowhere I've said anything about a rifle. Second, a belt-fed system can be superior to a box magazine even in a rifle.
https://modernfirearms.net/en/assault-rifles/urz-plamen-2/
>Also i've seen you Hungarians around for a while now, is one of you actually going to design and possibly build one of these bullpups you talk about or are just just here to shit out your autistic ideas?
Are you asking the same thing in every thread where people discuss ideas?
>>686372
Not exactly, but now that you mention it, the Korobov does seem to be simpler. It just needs an extractor that somehow erects the spent casing, and then goes back to vertical to snap on the rim of the new cartridge. And there are several ways to do make that work.
>>686400
>the Whitney-Kennedy action
It does seem to be better than any of the Winchesters, but it doesn't seem to be particularly suited for self-loading firearms.
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