/k/ - Weapons

Ernest is just 19 year old.

What he did is fine but he should have trained better.

IIRC Earnest just nabbed the gun from his dad's drawer and likely didn't bother to clean it, much less train with it enough.

There is an argument to be made for the use of the bayonet.

If your gun goes down for any reason, then at least you'd have a pig sticker on the end to keep them from bum rushing you while you get it running again.

>>670991

What gun was that?

They didn't practice with their weapons enough to know how well they worked. Not every rifle likes all ammo, and you need to break them in a little to get peak reliability. AR isn't a sensitive platform in terms of stance or hold, you aren't going to limp wrist it or anything. Neither were using them in an environment that would cause any interference. Had to be issues with the rifles themselves or the rifle/ammo combos.

What firearm did Earnest use?

>Why did their guns jam?

Don't know about the piano fag but Brenton's shit jammed because when he dropped the mag it probably jacked up the rounds.

>What did they do wrong?

Brenton Tarrant had his brass to the sky. Earnest probably didn't train enough.

>What could they have done to avoid what happened?

For Tarrant, brass to the grass. For Earnest, TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN. You only get one chance so might as well train and buy training. Clean and maintain your shit, train with it. Also buy good equipment, you're going to be in jail for the rest of your life after so might as well get the best of the best.

>>671020

A shotgun IIRC.

>>671038

>brass to the grass

Isn't that just instructions for loading an MG belt into the feed pawl? I've never heard any reason why you would extrapolate that to chest rigs.

Should have used a home made flame thrower, tbqh.

1.Excellent in rooms.

2.Works in seconds on a whole group.

3.Humerus screaming noises.

4.Untraceable and made from pretty easily available items.

5.Visually pleasing makes footage highly memable.

6.Added bonus of structural damage.

7.rescue by emergency responders hampered by fire and their urge to vomit.

8.+1000% acceleration.

>>671077

>I've never heard any reason why you would extrapolate that to chest rigs.

There are a few reasons. Protection for the feed lips, naturally puts your hand in the best position and orientation for inserting mag into gun, and with polymer mags, the fat floorplate is a good gripping surface. Also, since most carriers are built with brass to grass in mind, you'll probably have more secure retention from putting mags in that way.

>>671080

I could maybe see the feed lips getting damaged if you have your pouches too loose and you take a dive, or if something hard hits you square in the chest, but that doesn't seem like a major concern. You're not going to control how the mag falls if it somehow slides out of the pouch anyway, and in that situation I'd almost think facing upward might even be preferable - maybe? Any dropping is going to rattle it and make it feed improperly regardless of how it hits, though. As far as ergonomics, I think that's too dependent on the individual gun, the mags you use, and your choice of carrier since everything's gonna handle differently.

You do have a point about the often funky shape of polymer mags, which I wasn't thinking about since everything Tarrant used besides the drum was USGI. I'm remembering now that Magpul even makes those rubber thongs to put on the bottom of their overpriced meme mags because those get stuck in some carriers.

>>670987

when you use blanks, DI guns don't cycle as reliably.

>>671089

BO didnt shoot up a mosque for you to sperg out and call it a false flag.

>>670987

The ARs the shitposter used looked like they were ran dry. ARs will run til the end of time if lubed.

>>671109

I am not as certain on this one but it does appear that the more level headed folks of this political orientation tend to be those who were exposed to multiple ideologies and their underpinnings. Sufficiently so to understand rationally how the human biodiversity and factors such as social cohesion make ethnic identity and solidarity optimal. This is a positive orientation, asserting what makes sense and ought to be. Conversely, most of the figures now on the scene are of a negative orientation, and thus defining themselves by the opposition to certain factors, in this case The Jews. The postulate here is that they cannot focus on advancing white identity and the American nation because they are so heavily positioned on revenge and edginess as opposed to organizing in a useful capacity. This is exploratory and really not important to the argument of this analysis.

I am not making an argument for these actions and this post serves only an Academic purpose of categorizing the kinds of individuals involved, their degree of planning, and the Ideological Rationale for their actions.

Tarrant and Breivik made attacks that could have worked in an ETA/IRA reminiscent style of:

>Attack

>Use the (over)reaction as a post-hoc rationalization

>Garner sympathy to The Cause from the hamfistedness of the regime

Time has proven that elements of this were at work in the case of Breivik, and that a net political gain has occurred among the nationalists in Norway. From Mandatory Hijab Day and the censorship as well as the peculiar handling of the media of the Sri-Lanka attacks ("Easter Worshippers" – call us Christians), it is beginning to look like this may also occur in the case of the Tarrant action. If Tarrant is allowed to defend himself in court and there are transcripts and coverage of that, these may further increase and have a narrative thread more obviously woven through them.

In most cases of any successful revolutionary action there was an "airlocked" connection between the paramilitary organization and its ideological kin in civic groups or party politics. In this, there was a political channel where the party organization could claim no responsibility (and may even legitimately possess no knowledge of violent actions) but was a mouthpiece capable of garnering sympathy and reframing the overreaction as a justification.

This will never be possible for as long as AUTISM demands edginess and derides anyone who is an "OPTICSFAG"

DISCLAIMER:

Hobbyism of defense and military analysis (NEITHER THIS POST NOR THE PREVIOUS ONE) does not constitute ideological sympathy or agreement with any of the parties involved If one were to write a similar post mortem about the Indian Naxalites or Maoists or Antifa there would be no accusation of allegiance there. Preserve this rule. I DISAVOW!

>>671110

>(NEITHER THIS POST NOR THE PREVIOUS ONE)

meant that they did not constitute ideological affinity as I am actually a neoliberal christian who sees the light in liberation theology and wishes to spread the prosperity of the modern world.

Their guns jammed because real guns do jam in real situations. Some guns are notoriously picky about ammo and get worse as the chamber heats and expands, tightening the tolerances. Sometimes it's operator error due to adrenaline.

>>671092

'False flag' does not mean the same thing as 'hoax', newfag. It happened, real people died. It's still a false flag.

>>671078

It would need to be a genuine napalm-thrower, though. The propane memethrowers are admittedly dangerous, but the difference in hazard between those and the real deal is the difference between a rubber bullet and a real one.

>>671122

Shut the fuck up, boomer retard.

>>671122

False flags occur both in the form of scheduled violence designed to misdirect, and the scripted appearance of death.

The .NZ event appears more clearly to be the latter, with all appropriate sympathy to the survivors if I'm wrong.

>>671159

Shut the fuck up, boomer retard.

>>671020

I thought it was a pistol

>>671173

If you think anything in my post implied in any way any form of support or love for democracy, you need to get new glasses, Strelok. However, hating the use of democracy to undermine society doesn't mean that actively making things worse for yourself on purpose is a good or reasonable alternative. People who cheer that on act like the only options are a slow boil or suicide, when that's simply not the case whatsoever, and that kind of defeatism combined with complacency is most of the reason that we have arrived in our current situation. 'I can't do anything to stop it so I'll enforce it' is never a winning strategy. Revolutions don't get off the ground by kiking themselves to death or giving the public reasons to hate them for killing unjustifiable targets, they get off the ground by organising and turning the clock back. Shooting le epin browns for Facebook is useful idiocy at best, you should be rounding up the politicians, the bankers, the traitors, usurpers, the privileged and the turncoats. Making white people look bad by killing individuals who aren't threatening white people does not stop the greater anti-white plot, it bolsters it.

It's like people here don't even study war.

>>671159

>a guy committing an anti-white act

>Killing hostile non-white invaders is an anti-white act

???

>>671186

>Making white people look bad

>muslims blow up tourists and non-white christians in srilanka

>"it's fault of racist whites 8000 miles away" says media

>the solution is to bend over, lube up and let niggers spics and muds obliterate your asshole

>>671183

Saging for double post; I don't like absolute claims or arguments from authority about what "professionals" do, because professionals are also known to do pointless shitpost tactics like center axis relock and C-clamping, know what I mean? Tacticool stuff usually doesn't live up in real situations, which is not meant to imply that BTTR is 'tacticool', so don't take it that way. But, I'll be the first one to admit that I don't own any LBE right now, although I've used some in the past. I just haven't bought any guns that made it necessary yet, which is honestly something I need to do sooner rather than later, but it's a matter of time and money. I have practiced one-handed reloads with pistols, though, and I've seen some guys do it with ARs using pouches that are shallow, so we don't know whether Tarrant might have expected to be shot at and wounded. It goes without saying that he researched that town well enough to know ahead of time that the mosque had (((ISIS))) connections. He's very obviously afraid at several points in the video.

>>671189

Like I said, try for yourself. If everyone does it, it's probably for a reason.

>center axis relock

I've never seen anyone unironically do that.

>and C-clamping

It has its merits.

No having your mags staged like that isn't "tacticool" it just makes perfect fucking sense. The point is made with pistols as well, barring tacticool shit like "one-handed reloads" which I find funny that you'd talk shit about tacticool situations while also doing tacticool shit. That's beside the point, appeal to authority is a dumb argument but the take away from that shouldn't be "Well x and z do it so do it" The take away was do it yourself, see which is faster and less awkward, and think why that's the current doctrine of pretty much everyone.

>>671187

>I have no reading comprehension or understanding of events beyond a very narrow vacuum: the post

>shooting 50 random people is totally based and solves the problem of tens of millions of people worldwide

>don't target the ones actually responsible for causing this problem, goy, just give us more media fuel!

Cuckchan tier posting.

>>671194

How did you manage to read the worst into everything I said even despite me adding disclaimers for you? Fuck, take some Xanax or something, man.

>zero discussion of gun jamming

Absolute state of this shithole board.

Tarrant's failure more than likely stemmed from a magazine failure.

The magazines themselves were good, they were Magpul PMAGs which are up there in terms of AR15 magazine reliability, but his jamming came when he ran out of ammo in his current magazine and he had to recover one of his dropped jungle mags from the hallway which weren't fastened well enough to his mag pouches.

I don't know nor care about the newfag tryhard who shot up whatever recently.

>>671189

>>671197

Shut the fuck up boomer retard.

>>671197

> just give us more media fuel!

Media doesn't need anything to happen to make shit up.

>>671198

More and more I trust in this meme.

Wonder if it would have jammed if Tarrant has used an [non-american] AK with steel mags.

I still can't find concrete information on what gun Earnest used.

All the news are reporting AR-style "assault rifles".

>>671199

I did point that out though faggot.

>>671204

>Their presence alone threatens what is left of western society.

That much is definitely true, since they've been lovingly indoctrinated with the idea that they have no responsibility to respect our nations or our cultures, and they get so much free shit and so much preferential treatment that they're practically lording over the natives in some countries, like Sweden and England. But the issue is that it's simply not mathematically possible for lone actors to kill enough to make a difference, because in many cases those people are being shipped over the borders by the thousands per day. I checked the numbers recently, and Australia literally has a population that is dying out while countless foreigners flood in. Check this shit:

>As of February 2018, the population growth rate was 0.9%.[35] This rate was based on estimates of (April 2019):[1]

>one birth every 1 minute and 41 seconds,

>one death every 3 minutes and 20 seconds,

>one migrant person arriving to live in Australia every 56 second,

>one Australian resident leaving Australia to live overseas every 1 minute and 53 seconds

In 10 minutes, 5 Australians are born. 8 Australians are lost. 10 foreigners enter, leading to a net increase of 7 aliens. No change in the number of aliens currently there is big enough, you have to stop the flow first and stop it hard. New Zealand unironically increased their immigration quotas in response to Christchurch. The men in suits profit from 'acceleration', and the allegorical handbrake is voting from the ammo box.

>>671208

Shut the fuck up boomer retard.

>>671209

I can see they pay you by the post.

>>671210

Nope, you just need to shut the fuck up, boomer retard.

>>671134

Good point, Strelok.

This requires further study.

Those minecraft villagers wont know what hit'em.

>>671256

Time to YEET on those fucking degenerate minecraft villagers. I don't think the problem is so much the hardware but the fuel itself.

>>671305

Styrofoam+Petrol is supposed to work.

But if its thick enough to do its job it would need some high pressure to push it far enough to matter.

>>671310

>Styrofoam+Petrol is supposed to work.

No that's not napalm.

>>671201

This. The media screeches nonstop about how we're on the cusp of the next shoah anyway, at least with meme shooters, we actually have a body count to show for it.

>>671397

has infinite ammo too

>>671314

I have no idea.

Would it do the job, in minecraft?

>>671403

B R A V O K O J I M A

>>671027

Clearly, this is how it must be.

>>671199

And this is why dual-magazine pockets are absolute fucking cancer.

>>671204

Well that's quite irrelevant, since they can, and they will hold on to power for the next 15 years or so at which point whites will be completely at the mercy of their new owners in what used to be their homelands in most of "western" countries.

>>671474

Isn't mil spic AR a meme and is even more jam prone than an civie AR?

You need AK tbh.

Are American ARs really that shit?

In Germany a decent civilian AR15 costs a small fortune, like 2-3000€ but the stuff works out of the box. I've shot competitions dumping three or four 30rd mags in the shortest possible time, failures are highly uncommon if you pay minimum attention to your gun and ammo and test your setup beforehand. Look at IPSC Rifle. If shit jammed every few rounds you'd get nowhere.

Over here problems mostly arise when people start overtuning their gear for minimum recoil at the cost of reliability. The only severe issue I ever had was while messing with an adjustable gas block and alternative springs. Live round got stuck under the bolt, took me a while to disassemble upper and lower to get it out. Apart from that, never had a malfunction that couldn't be cleared within seconds and I'm really not the most experienced shooter.

>>671469

If maintained, just fine. Nothing like melting the gas tube when actually going nuts. Also it isn't a mass shooting when asked, its a house clearing drill. there also isn't anything like having blowback guns go FA because the barrel is hot enough to cause a cook off.

>>671495

Not really, you're seeing the result of either poor/no training and lack of basic bitch maintenance. You've seen the results of paying attention and caring for your shit, i.e it fucking work.

>>671495

American shit has been low quality since forever.

I wouldn't doubt a russian AR is better than an american one.

>>671495

Not in the slightest. The attackers are just no-guns who choose shitty magazines, don't maintain their shit, often pick really crappy models (500 USD is about what you'd expect to pay for a decent prebuilt, 400 for assembled, but you can get mystery guns even cheaper), use really crappy ammo (steel loves to get stuck) and don't know how to clear basic malfunctions in a timely manner.

>>671503

Post your guns so we can determine your credibility, fampai.

>>671314

Bar of soap boiled into gasoline works, or do it like we did in vietnam and use powdered laundry detergent.

>>671201

The point stands that thinning the herd does us very little good while the traitorous politicians who are responsible for the policies that continue to flood our countries with muslims still suck down air.

>>671522

Can't, govt doesn't allow any.

>>671533

Kill one politician and another will rise.

Kill enough invaders and no more invaders will come.

>>671474

See below

>>671495

No, they're just either not maintaining it, using shoddy magazines, or just low quality firearms. You don't have to buy a really super nice 1,500 AR. But if you are going to ruin your life and miss out on the later fun, in minecraft of course, you might as well splurge your hard earned diamonds on the best of the best.

>>671550

Or they could get some AK.

>>671552

Even neglected AKs fuck up. Learned that lesson in a trench, got my shit kicked in for that.

>>671552

Takes more time to learn the controls for the AK, it's not as good as the AR lets face it. Of course training can overcome that though.

>>671556

>Takes more time to learn the controls for the AK

Are you retarded? The AK is simple as fuck to learn. Why do you think they're so goddamn prevalent in Africa and the Middle East?

The AR may be a tack driver and pretty nice when set up well, but in terms of simple to use and ability to take shit, an AK will win.

>>671560

It's easier to stick a magazine straight in and hit a button on the side than it is to rock a magazine in and charge the weapon. I'm not saying it's much easier, but it is indeed easier and with it being easier it takes less time. Again it can be remedied easily with training but I'm still right.

>>671564

ok retard

>>671547

>nogunz nigger talks out of his ass

>>671548

>nogunz nigger can't do math

Every time.

>>671567

Someone get this optics retard outta here.

>>671572

>bro dude don't do anything like there's too many of them man we're just a few guys what can we do bro

>>671572

Wonder when will this math genius solve the 56% question.

inb4 muh nigger

>>671564

>>671566

Honestly, the notion of racking the bolt feels more natural than hitting a button.

>>671576

That's just your opinion.

does seem that a basic military rifle should be little more reliable and able to eat any ammo without hiccup.

We ain't talking about MOA sniping, just going bang.

Someone should use this argument to make ARs less regulated, since less deadly.

"You see, Senator Feinstein, that a Mack-10 will reliably feed at least 10 full 30round mags, but in practice MILITARY WEAPON like an ASSAULT RIFLE jams quickly and saves lives."

>>671586

Nigger, Earnest killed jews, Bowers killdd jews.

inb4 not dose jews!

>>671609

Earnest was a retard who did it because he wanted to look cool, and he couldn't even go through with it. Bowers killed random Jews who weren't responsible for the demographic problems and he didn't even shoot the rabbi who was in the process of sucking a baby dick. Not to mention if you actually followed everything about that event, that whole situation was suspicious as fuck. Quit your vicarious LARPing, unless being cucked by false idols is your fetish, in which case I won't kinkshame you.

>>671631

So not dose jews!

You could have said so and spare the paragraph, opticucks.

>>671632

Being illiterate is not an employable skill, nigger. Please explain to the class how doing your best to make sure the ones with actual money and influence never get hurt is solving the problem.

>>671632

>>671609

Brenton Tarrant targeted Muslims specifically as opposed to any other flavor of nonwhite invader or their judaeo-communist enablers. He did so for damn good reasons.

One, Islam's intent to destroy western civilization is not only blatant but immediately demonstrable. Even if you ignore the Qaran and the rest of their holy texts, even if you ignore the thousands of years of conflict between Islam and the West, you only need to look as far as the terrorist attacks, church burnings, and rape gang standals that have happened in the last twenty years.

Two, Muslims are rightly despised in the West. The people are resentful of being victims of Muslim violence, and even more resentful of their governments forcing "religion of peace" propaganda down their throats while actively importing more Jihadis. Any attack on Muslims will, moreso than an attack on any other group, generate sympathy for the the attacker's causes. Look at Senator Fraser Anning's response to Christchurch.

Three, Muslims are one of the few groups guaranteed to respond with violence in kind, which they did with the burning of Notre Dame and the Sri Lanka bombings. These attacks will serve to further polarize the population and generate even more sympathy for white unity and solidarity.

Attacking Jews, as much as they are at fault, does not further these aims. The average westerner is still choking on eighty plus years of postwar propaganda and largely views the Jews as faultless and persecuted. When Earnest went for the high score and fell flat on his face, he generated sympathy for the Jews, not for his own people.

>>671637

>Please explain to the class how doing your best to make sure the ones with actual money and influence never get hurt is solving the problem.

Because when you kill the invaders, they cannot outbreed you. That's mathematically solved.

Now explain to me, what the fuck have you been doing to hurt the ones with "actual money and influence"?

>>671640

Jews and muslims are the same, really.

I do not find any difference in killing them.

The jewish sympathy is also overstated, nowadays with the enemy in control of the media, they can make up whatever story as they go.

>>671642

>Now explain to me, what the fuck have you been doing to hurt the ones with "actual money and influence"?

He's been sharing links online to stop the NWO (^:

>>671642

>Because when you kill the invaders, they cannot outbreed you. That's mathematically solved.

So every person in every western nation is going to have to kill multiple aliens every single day? Every Australian citizen has to kill SEVEN ALIENS DAILY? Shut the fuck up, you mouth breather.

>Now explain to me, what the fuck have you been doing to hurt the ones with "actual money and influence"?

>Reddit spacing

More than your worthless keyboard warrior ass. I actually own weapons and know how to use them, I've been educating people I know in real life, and all the politicians in my state know my name. I call them and breathe down their necks frequently. I open carry every day, everywhere, and I'm in the process of organising a militia with a few guys I know. If I didn't have a rough job I would be doing more all the time, but I have to put food on the table, and I don't have enough of a plan yet to do anything drastic. I still need to train more, if I were to do such a figurative thing, but unfortunately for the FBI I am a pacifist ;^). You on the other hand probably don't even work, and have nothing better to do than spout your autism here endlessly. How much people have done is a pointless conversation while you do nothing.

You worship Tarrant, but it's clear you didn't even read his manifesto, you LARPing waste of space. If you had, then you would know exactly which quote I'm implying in this point.

>>671644

>So every person in every western nation is going to have to kill multiple aliens every single day?

Yes, what's the problem with that?

>More than your worthless keyboard warrior ass.

OK.

>I actually own weapons and know how to use them, I've been educating people I know in real life, and all the politicians in my state know my name. I call them and breathe down their necks frequently.

Yo tell me when you do something with these weapons.

They are pretty much toys if you never use them.

>>671647

>implying most people even have the capacity to kill or are even worth the effort to convince, and not just lemmings

>'tee hee you won't do anything', says the LARPer with no guns and no comprehension

Venetian pottery. Call me when you kill seven people every day without stopping, for the rest of your life because you're too fucking stupid to solve the problem and think just mitigating the side effects is a good plan of action.

>>671648

OK, though I doubt I need to call you when that happens, because it's either that or whiteys die.

>>671049

Not the journalists fault this time, that's a quote from the police spokesman when it happened

>>671652

They're equally as retarded though for different reasons.

The NRA could be selling inferior guns to rednecks and crazies. .

>>671595

Why'd a military rifle be able to deal with different kinds of ammunition better? The military gets supplied with mostly one single kind of ammunition per rifle while citizens may use all kinds of ammo. Am I wrong in that assumption?

>>671644

If you are really doing all this then you have my admiration.

1. Drums are shit

2. Run a gun hot and its tendency to have malfunctions increases as things thermally expand and fouling builds up

3. Drums are shit

4. Stress of situation and not hammering magazines in tight, locking them good and tight, being off kilter from when you are training

5. Drums are shit

6. A lack of training for the one kid, since people who train can make magazine mistakes under stress untrained folks fuck up worse

7. Drums are shit

8. Some magazines that work well in some magwells and receivers don't work as well in others, the magazine design may be solid but they may have issues with not being fully slammed fucking tight in the gun, some mags are better than others.

9. Drums are shit

Decent quality civilian guns are about as good as military ones. That's just a simple truth. Someone's old import HK91 or HK93 will work as well as a G3 or HK33, a civie semi auto FAL was inferior to the military ones made in the same factory how? Colt makes the AR15A4 in the same way they make an M16A4, many police and security will use the semi auto only version. Is your reputable make AR15 a fine combat grade rifle? There is a very good chance, that yes, it is.

The big punch in the nuts problem is modifications and various manufacturers. One reason I like the delayed rollers is that they are stupid retard simple, no gas system and they will run about any ammunition when set up right. Take your FAL, if it doesn't like a light or hot load of 7.62 or 308 you just adjust the gas system built into the design. You start fucking with M1a/M14 and the whole AR15/M4/M16 systems you start to see shit. Garands don't like getting out of their comfort zone without damage to the system. AR15's, like other gas guns, will sometimes have major issues with which gas systems are used and the ammunitiion and barrel length. Start fucking around with various builds and you will have guns that don't work well, guns that are finicky and only like certain power rounds.

People like me buy and stock to GI, all my shit is original or military original stuff. My only AR15 is a standard rifle, basically the same as the government uses. Johnny Modsalot will end up with a barrel and a gas system that he might like or buy for this reason or that, and it will work with what he buys, then one day it fucks up on another brand or another handload that should work in a true GI spec system. Keep fucking around with your gas and barrel and don't complain when your gun doesn't run everything you feed it.

>>671722

Think about the spec's on military rifles and the fact they are sometimes looser than civilian models. This increases their reliability under heat and fouling, it also means they can use any type of shitty NATO ammo made in Fuckknowswhere. Again, this was another big benefit of the FN FAL's gas system, if you get garbage grade 7.62 NATO you can make the gun work. This is another reason to keep military rifles more loose. Many civilians want a tighter gun for better groups and sport shooting, target shooting, maybe hunting. The tighter gun and better accuracy can come at a price.

>>671644

>So every person in every western nation is going to have to kill multiple aliens every single day? Every Australian citizen has to kill SEVEN ALIENS DAILY? Shut the fuck up, you mouth breather.

I know you're 56% white and almost a minority now, but no, a large portion of the population would just have to kill maybe one or two aliens a single time and they'd be fine. I don't know where you're getting this idea that all western nations are 1% white and 99% invader from.

>>672013

>/intl/posting nigger is illiterate and can't do math

The pattern continues to prove true. Western nations have population growth below replacement level. Do you even know what that means, retard? Of course you don't.

>>672014

>everyone I don't like is le /intl/ boogeyman

>population growth below replacement level means that there' magically an extra trillion niggers in Western nations to kill for no reason

>>672016

>>671208

Now leave, faggot.

>>672017

>dead people breed

>people will continue immigrate at the same rate to a nation where they are shot on sight

Sure thing, mutt.

>>672018

>implying immigration to New Zealand didn't literally increase after Christchurch

Spot the kike.

>I have to sit through an entire fucking argument to find if the anon who got reported deserved a ban or not

Volunteering is best

and hard choices

Nope, nothing ban-deserving here. Just retarded arguments. I understand rule 7 can be theoretically used for everything but it just isn't worth it

>>671648

>if you kill jews, muslims will magically stop being asshurt about crusades and they'll stop desiring conquest.

>>672013

Assuming that every caucasian would get Tarrant's score you'd only need around 40 million whites (total population of Poland) to wipe out all muslims in existence.

>>672027

>literally

Thanks tumblr.

>if you want to kill kikes then you're a kike.

Okay Moshe.

>>672033

And that's the entire world, a few million of them in white countries can probably be taken out by less than 1% of most Western nations.

>>672035

"Refugee crisis" would be solved in less than a dozen of torpedo-equipped patrol boats.

>>672075

Is it a surprise to anyone that any standard assault rifle or battle rifle IS NOT A MACHINE GUN? In fact they tell you that 15 rounds a minute is permanent sustainable fire for a lot of rifles, why? That the other common theme to all these jam ups is people blasting away as fast as they can and heating the gun up, and it seems we are so dedicated to the propaganda that "our guns never jam" and super reliability that we cannot possibly dare to accept the truth that if you run a rifle like a machine gun it will fuck up?

Go ahead and take your personal rifle and just abuse it and see what happens. Maybe if you run it like a machine gun you will have failures far faster than you think. The only true machine guns built for that kind of use are the old heavy machine guns, the Maxim's with water jackets. You could include the rotary gattling style. All else will fail.

We build up mythos around our firearms to the point we forget very simple, basic fundamental facts. For fucks sakes kids, they didn't just take away the full auto switch off the guns because of ammunition waste (which was bad enough) but that it leads to malfunctions that get people killed from running too hot. REAL machine guns have had easy swap out barrels for how long? Brenton had an extra rifle in case of what? G36's were having what problems with pencil barrels in the field? Squad heavy weapons like the heavy barrel FAL and M14 variant, the AK squad support, have heavy barrels for stability but also what?

We will blame everything and anything but running the gun hot and admitting they aren't built for it.

>>672082

If you run your rifle hard, sure it's gets hot and gets a little beat up but if it's a quality weapon it shouldn't jam up because even if you're shooting it fast it's still not as fast as fully auto unless you're a freak like Jerry Miculek and even then Jerry is not as fast as a fully automatic firearm. This PSA upper made it through around 14-15 magazines of NON-STOP automatic fire, something that would never happen to people just pulling the trigger fast, before finally hiccuping, unless you want to count the failure to lock back. So I don't buy this bullshit argument that it's from running the ARs hard. It's very obvious what caused Breton's weapon malfunctions, he dropped his mags and it probably fucked up the top round. As to why Adam and John's weapons malfunctioned, I think it was lack of proper maintenance.

>>672082

>>672119

Another affordable rifle, making it over 800 rounds before finally failing from running very hard.

>>672119

>>672120

Now, like regular media, keep in mind that even the big boi Youtubers will do things. Were those guns REALLY off the rack regulars, or were they picked for the purpose of making the video and showing the very, very best from the manufacturer? Maybe everything is legit, maybe the uppers are picked and then tuned a bit to help them, the better they show on the video the better the promotion of the product. Also, the guns were probably lubed up proper to make them run at their best so they could last long enough to melt.

The other issue is, the bolt failing to lock back, after a mere two magazines, IS a problem, as in the Palmetto upper. Its not a critical failure of the weapon, to a shooter like Adam Lanza its exactly the kind of fuck up that will slow him down and save lives. Lanza got his rifle working again and kept shooting, so his gun had minor issues, not major ones. In stress, wither combat or even a shooting, small things like that can throw a man off his kilter. Combined with a little stress to get you to not jam magazines up tight, its enough to eat up time and reduce the rounds fired. The fully automatic action might make the weapon more reliable at fast fire than rapid semi as well. The M&P was having issues at 7 magazines through, well before the 800 round melt down.

Lanza was having issues around 80 rounds or so, actually, so its not out of the question that an average off the rack AR15 being rapidly fired with normal care would start to have minor issues, enough to fuck up the shooter and get him to simply dump magazines and fuck around, that many rounds into the shooting in that little time. It may not mean that the gun was being taken care of poorly or anyone beat the fucking lips of the magazines till they got fucked up, it might mean an average lubed up average off the rack gun started to have problems after that many rounds.

>>672130

>Were those guns REALLY off the rack regulars, or were they picked for the purpose of making the video and showing the very, very best from the manufacturer?

That's such a silly question, those weren't reviews. They bought the PSA from the site I doubt they sent the upper for free to IV8888. The MP was bought from a brick and mortar store, so no on that one. The bolt failing to lock back is on the lower not the upper so it doesn't reflect on the quality of the PSA upper. Both melt downs used the exact same lower if you actually did watch it.

>Also, the guns were probably lubed up proper to make them run at their best so they could last long enough to melt.

This goes back to what I was saying earlier, maintain your shit and it's not going to jam bar bad mags or bad ammo.

>The fully automatic action might make the weapon more reliable at fast fire than rapid semi as well.

Do you even own firearms? How the hell does that make any sense?

>Lanza was having issues around 80 rounds or so

Again I doubt it's the firearm itself, most of these problems are magazine based.

The bottom line is, your shit is not going to start failing on you when you run it a little hard if it's well maintained firearm and the magazines are in good condition.

>>672131

No, he's a paid shill, the man shills for a living. Not bashing him, but that's the way that industry works. You get paid to promote stuff. If they say they aren't promoting and didn't talk to the company beforehand, they are lying. Chances are they are hand select guns, lesser but still extremely high chance they were worked on before the tests. That's one aspect you are absolutely wrong about. How much does he charge per video again?

I don't mean they were just field lubed before the tests, they might have doused the things before they started. There is a difference between a gun that's freshly extra lubed for a purpose, a freshly lubed field lubing, and a gun that sits on the ready with that field lubing that sits for a month because the gun isn't fired. There are tons of regular folks out there who dump lube into the gun on field days and then clean them afterward, douse them in lube you would never use in the field because its excessive and gathers dirt.

Lanza was having some sort of difficulty around the same time the Palmetto started to have failure to lock open. Also, do we know for certain that every magazine in the IraqVeteran works ran empty, or did he dump them if they had a failure at the bottom of the rack?

Bottom line is, run your shit too hard and it will start to fail on you in ways that will surprise you. Don't let setpiece shill videos tell you otherwise. Yes, we need to reinforce the propaganda that maintaining your gun is the most important thing, but then again telling people not to beat their shit till it fails is important as well.

>muh AR gonna be fine if you lube it well

Guys, guys, please, just stick to AK.

Or at least install a gas piston into your AR.

>>672153

see >>671554

>>672156

Don't neglect it then.

It's still gonna be more reliable than a DI AR.

>>672159

It's not about the gun itself, just that gas operated action > DI.

And I don't trust american stuff in general to be quite honest famalam.

>>672135

Well you're going to have to show me evidence that he got paid and was given free test pieces until then you're talking out your ass. Mag dumping two or three magazines isn't going to start causing failures because the damn rifle is being ran hard.

>>672192

There's still NO actual pison.

>It's a piston system where the bolt carrier acts as the piston.

Which doesn't work.

>which is something you would know if you had ever followed the news around the HK416 or M27 IAR and how short the service life on those meme rifles is.

Uh, Norway is still using them, as well as the muhreen corps, and a fuckton more soldiers all over the world, including ruskies.

>>672222

Only american fucking retards defend DI now.

Reminder that BOTH modern DI rifles in existence, the FAMAS and AR-15 both fucking suck.

>>672227

>FAMAS

>DI

You illiterate subhuman nigger, just stop talking. Everything you say just makes you look more and more retarded. There is no gas system in the FAMAS, it's a fucking blowback action. Do you even know what direct impingement means? Christ, why are you even on this board if you're too much of a lazy faggot to at least read a book or sit through a Forgotten Weapons video or something? What do you do in your free time, suck ladyboy cock? Knowledge about firearms is a prerequisite for posting here, and it is clear that you don't have a single bit of knowledge in any conceivable manner. I am embarrassed by the sight of you. Your whore mother is spinning at 1000 RPM in her grave from the shame of having birthed you.

>>672228

Yeah, like how the AR-15 works like a champ if you lube it up.

>>672229

OK, honest mistake.

Should have said the MAS 49.

>>672229

>Knowledge about firearms is a prerequisite for posting here

>/k/

>knowledge

oh im laffing

You have to be borderline retarded to expect anything good from nu-/k/.

>>672234

Getting one thing wrong doesn't stop you from being knowledgeable.

>>670995

counterpoint: lengthening your rifle means they can see you coming around corners, and also grab your gun by the bayonet to control your aim from a further distance.

>>671027

if you're already gone before they arrive, scaring first responders is moot. Plus what if you damage building to point of ceiling coming down and blocking potential exit?

>>671038

next question: why did Brenton drop the mag?

also please explain brass to sky vs ground?

>>671183

>You'll never see brass to the sky in any professional's kit.

>Which further solidifies my suspicion that Breton "The Hammer" Tarrant is the real deal.

but >>671038 said his was to the sky not grass so wouldn't that make him noob?

>>671109

>took le jew mene literally and did a half-assed attack on a low level branch of a completely different religious denomination than the one intended

I don't understand, you mean he should've targeted some different sect of Judaism? Still better than nothing.

>>671159

>engineers his attack so that gun laws will be passed

Fucking hell, you'll accuse any white man attacking enemy invaders with firearms as engineering gun law reform, won't you?

>he even mentions this directly in his manifesto

He said it's inevitable, but better a collapse when there are enough whites to fight back, than later when we're too few, I think was his logic?

>>671199

>zero discussion of gun jamming

not 0, more like 1%, some guys did mention how to orient magazines for reloads and how dropping can fuck them up

>I don't know nor care about the newfag tryhard who shot up whatever recently.

What's wrong with hypothesizing why newfag's gun jammed? Gotta start with the basics.

>>671640

>When Earnest went for the high score and fell flat on his face, he generated sympathy for the Jews, not for his own people.

As did Bowers when he had some moderate success. But then, some (albeit less, I think) sympathized with the muslim deaths too.

I think if you are going to inevitably cause sympathy you may as well be effective about it. That's where Bowers failed: all the jews he killed were already grandparents. The damage is already done, the new generation is already there. Of course, if you went for a jewish high school or something, it would probably generate even more sympathy.

Maybe the only real way to beat them is to educate the public somehow? Thus our meming? I think really truly understanding the Torah and statements of significance is also very important. Back in the 80s/90s you had Atheists dissecting the Old/New testament, then in the 00s/10s people dissecting the Quran, the 20s/30s should be for dissecting the Torah and educating people about how much inner preference, commands to lie, tolerance of slavery, depraved shit.

>>672236

TBH came here because I wanted to learn about them, figured like any board is a mix of people who know more and who know less

>>681211

Didn't the moro's do that?

Dude, just shove jam into the action if your gun. It can't jam if it's already jammed.

What's the most operator flavor of jam?

>>681259

Weapon maintenance / skill is definitely a factor.

Suspect shit-tier ammo as well.

>>671314

Fun fact for you cool cats out there trying to mix soap and gasoline over a stove: don't. Just put it into an airtight container, and use a vacuum pump to put it into deep vacuum instead. Once you get into a deep enough micron level, the liquid will boil itself, and you won't have to worry about a fire.

>>671203

It wouldn't have jammed simply on the merit that 1. it uses a piston instead of full length gas tube, and 2. the larger diameter of the projectile would have had a small chance of catching or deforming during feeding.

The biggest issue that I can really take away from using an ak is volume of fire. There are a lot of if then/then trade off's between ar's and ak's.

With an ak he probably would have gotten maybe half the kills he had. Reloading ak's is finicky as you have to rock it into place, along with them being about 30% longer than 30-rnd ar mags, so keeping them in a rig may have been troublesome. To top it off ak mags have a couple of bits that jut out (the pieces used to seat/lock it into the rifle) that are prone to catching on pouches.

The benefit to an ak is that it blows just as opposed to blowing thru. So if you manage to get a hit on someone with an ak then they're probably going to die, even if not instantly.

Another big issue with ak's is that they really are inaccurate as fuck. This may be remedied with a full stock and/or optics, but the very nature of ak's is lead slingers.

Regardless of the pros and cons, for CQB, both are good platforms, you just need to make the proper adjustments to ensure flawless operation. In the end, whatever you can get within reason will do. IMO if you expect open areas of 50yds or more, go with an ar, it's made for those distances.

>>681267

cheese spread

>>672040

>wasting multi-million dollar torps on rubber rafts

Just put a 50. with API on it and call it a day.

>>681211

wearing a mailed glove, obviously, unless you are Edward Elric

What's recommended to lube guns? Does WD40 does the trick?

>>682778

How many people wear mailed gloves to work just in case they get caught in a mass bayoneting?

>>671631

>Earnest was a retard who did it because he wanted to look cool

Smarter and cooler than you, that's for sure.

> Bowers killed random Jews who weren't responsible for the demographic problem

Bowers carried out his shooting in a HIAS affiliated synagogue you fucking retard, literally a synagogue involved in the ethnic displacement and genocide of europeans, but you already proved you don't know shit about what you're talking, don't bother responding.

Why do these niggers come here to shill?

>>682835

>shooting a random 90 year old granny saves the white race

The subhuman is you.

>>681556

Comes back personal competency. If you are proficient, a tactical reload won't depend on your firearm choice in most cases, if you gain proficiency you will do well. The very real, as well as the very supposed, advantages of the AR style system for magazine changes aren't going to make and break someone who is prepared. Brenton was prepared and proficient, that is why he did as well as he did. The kid was fucking not prepared and failed.

The AK family is accurate enough with iron sights for short range combat. Same with the rest. Its not a lack of optics, not a lack of magazine this and that. Want to be honest, you can take a gun with poorer ergonomics and be extremely effective, IF you are trained and prepared.

>>682783

>>682891

I've got this itchy feeling there is trollin' afoot.

>>682881

it literally does.

>>682921

BAN ASSAULT DDR! THEY TRAIN THE KIDS IBTO COMBAT KILLING MACHINES!

>>682921

>walk 10+ miles

Now try running 50+ miles, which is more of a several hours of dance dance revolution equivalent.

>>683004

> I just think some people on this board simply refuse to accept even the possiblity of an AR15 ever jamming to the point to where they deserve to be mocked for their absurd emotional attatchments.

People get awfully stupid about things, especially "muh X" whatever X is. They lose objectivity and become pathological, eventually becoming a form of shitscum in every conversation they discuss on the issue. We go from productive dialogue to retard fight debate and lose potentially all usefulness of the conversation.

Beyond people defending the X that they love, there is legit astroturfing out there. Some to defend mantras that have some positive value to them (my well maintained gun never fails, so I will maintain it and have confidence in it), as well as people defending the choices that have been made, which is nothing new. Keep in mind that mantras have negative aspects as well as positive (my gun never jams, so I won't take care of it, my gun never jams so i can run it hot and hard without fear of problems from abuse), that even if we speak mantras for positive effect we should not delude ourselves into bad habits and acts. Confidence is good, swagger and arrogance can be fatal mistakes.

I like my delayed roller actions, the H&K design is arguably the most reliable of all assault/battle rifles, submachine guns. Yet, I don't go about as if my rifle can't fail, I keep clearing in mind. Practice those things, make sure you know what to do when your gun fails. Do the drills, practice. My C93 is a cheap practice gun for my PTR, I keep the 33 in less then well maintained condition for practice, and between the fouling and Century's shitty assembling, the rare instances of the purposely sabotaged rifle having "jams' is excellent real life shooting drill practice for failure of the action. Go out and shoot 1,000 rounds in a day some time, get the gun good and fouled and see if it fails, don't let the gun cool down too much, see how it does.

Experiencing a minor failure in practice can be a humiliating (in a good way) experience, IF we accept the reason why it failed, IF we practice good clearing practice and learn from it. Marching straight forward with "muh gun never jams" is a dangerous one.

>>683004

>James Holmes' AR 15 jammed as well IIRC.

Yes, James Holmes was an aspie and he didn't maintain his cheapo rifle and used a shitty beta mag. It's exactly what he said.

>>681192

>why did Brenton drop the mag?

He didn't have any active retention on his magazines, not to mention he had them upside down, so when a muslim invader tackled him half of his magazines just fell out of his carrier. Active retention would be something like bungee cords, kydex retention, or velcro straps.

>also please explain brass to sky vs ground?

Brass to the grass comes from MG reloading but it also applies to magazines in a carrier or pouch. When you go to grip a magazine in a pouch it's much easier to grip the magazine by the base so when you go to reload the rifle you can just flip it and stick it in the firearm. If it was the other way, brass to the sky, you'd have to change your grip completely instead of a simple rotation of your hand, making the reload slower than it has to be.

>>671036

>Had to be issues with the rifles themselves or the rifle/ammo combos.

yep

>What firearm did Earnest use?

cheap remington. the same one that appears on the /k/ budget gun guide i think

>>683590

Budget guide doesn't have any remshit on it.

>>683595

m&p sport. my mistake

>>682923

MIGA!

>>671159

lol these troll faggots are a joke. promoting false flags, divide and conquer, next the jew faggot will attack White woman. If these jewish retards aren

't wiped out, soon, this world deserves to expire as it predictably will.

>>683893

drumpf is such a spineless jewish faggot, so is biden, they aree all blood related too lol. america keeps talking it up the ass like the rest of the west is controlled by crypto jews who are scared to admit they are jews, that alone is very telling isn't it. They know what they are and they know too many people are already aware that jews are evil sons of jewish whores, and probably of satan (yahweh) also.

These false flags aren't obvious to you retards? LOL